I know we have had several topics relating to this subject matter. But I want to introduce a new twist to the idea. Why are some things we do considered evil or sin? And why are others not....

Christianity is a dualistic belief system where you have separate gods for both good and evil. Whether these gods are equal and opposite is still to be determined. But in other belief system like the igbo, yoruba or Judaism there is only one God that I responsible for both good and evil.(Isaiah 45:7). So in this case it is quite difficult to make up ones mind. But in reality, the universe seems to have capacity for any decision we take.
So why are some acts considered sin and some are not..

22jumpstreet:
I know we have had several topics relating to this subject matter. But I want to introduce a new twist to the idea. Why are some things we do considered evil or sin? And why are others not....
Christianity is a dualistic belief system where you have separate gods for both good and evil. Whether these gods are equal and opposite is still to be determined. But in other belief system like the igbo, yoruba or Judaism there is only one God that I responsible for both good and evil.(Isaiah 45:7). So in this case it is quite difficult to make up ones mind. But in reality, the universe seems to have capacity for any decision we take.
So why are some acts considered sin and some are not..

This is why true worshipers of God always had serious issues with faithless people because when faithful servants of God stick to the tenets faithless religionists are indifferent as long as the majority around them are also indifferent, so even when it's clearly stated in the tenets of his faith a faithless religionist will take to the conventional opinion of people around him thereby ignoring the tenets of his own faith!

22jumpstreet:
I know we have had several topics relating to this subject matter. But I want to introduce a new twist to the idea. Why are some things we do considered evil or sin? And why are others not....

An act is evil because Some Person Whom it affects, is hurt, wounded and injured by it.

Which is why you see All Evils are Crimes and ought to Crimes but this evil dominated world have also made some acts which are not evil, crimes also.

Dtruthspeaker:


An act is evil because Some Person Whom it affects, is hurt, wounded and injured by it.

Which is why you see All Evils are Crimes and ought to Crimes but this evil dominated world have also made some acts which are not evil, crimes also.

Man was created with the inclination and capacity to do them, and at the same time he also have capacity not to. Just like how Cain was told that evil is at his door, but that he has power to rule over it.
Why is taking somebody's life considered an evil act?

MaxInDHouse:


This is why true worshipers of God always had serious issues with faithless people because when faithful servants of God stick to the tenets faithless religionists are indifferent as long as the majority around them are also indifferent, so even when it's clearly stated in the tenets of his faith a faithless religionist will take to the conventional opinion of people around him thereby ignoring the tenets of his own faith!

I really don't understand your ramblings.....please I know you can do better..

22jumpstreet:

I really don't understand your ramblings.....please I know you can do better..

Well you're asking for what determines right and wrong everywhere, which differs from place to place due to cultural, geographical and religious factors.
So i am telling you the difference between a true believer and faithless religionists!

22jumpstreet:

Christianity is a dualistic belief system where you have separate gods for both good and evil.

Correction! Only One God and then there is the creation who was the first touch evil, therefore, he became "the-evil" which he touched.

Therefore, there is Only One God and the creation who has been joined to evil.

22jumpstreet:

Whether these gods are equal and opposite is still to be determined.

It is Determined. Good is Too Much Greater than evil (Movies and the world full of evil people have been Lying and Deceiving and Blocking us from seeing that The Good, Will Obliterate the evil and will Always Always do so, even with a look.

Evil, Flees from The Good, Always.

That is what God has done.

22jumpstreet:

But in other belief system like the igbo, yoruba or Judaism there is only one God that I responsible for both good and evil.(Isaiah 45:7).

Since you put in Isaiah, I therefore can comment on this portion.

Evil is a creation, and I describe it as a dustbin and every house always requires a dustbin.

But a dustbin which does not stay in its allotted place will be a problem to the inhabitants of the House.

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So in this case it is quite difficult to make up ones mind. But in reality, the universe seems to have capacity for any decision we take.

The difference is Undisputably clear but it takes "Seeing" to see the difference.

22jumpstreet:

So why are some acts considered sin and some are not..

Sin is determined by Whomever is hurtfully and harmfully affected by a certain act, which is why you see words like Trespass (Treathening Passage or Treathened Pass and Offence (Off-Fence, Removal of Legitimate Fences or Breaking down of Fences, Breach of Borders) and Transgression (Transit Aggression)

Hence any act which reasonably harms a person affected by it, is a Sin, Offence, Transgression and Trespass, which is what you see in the Laws of God (Natural Law) prohibiting any and all harm full acts, which reasonably offends a Certain Person.

22jumpstreet:

Man was created with the inclination and capacity to do them, and at the same time he also have capacity not to. Just like how Cain was told that evil is at his door, but that he has power to rule over it.

The word "Inclination" was not included when man was created. "Capacity" is right and True but not "inclination".

Inclination, comes from 2 Powers of "the-evil".

One planted in you because your father absorbed it into his soul and the other exerted and pressured on you by the-evil who is also outside you.

Then there is a 3rd evil, which you all do not like to look at, the You, via your Decision and Choice to take the benefits and profits of evil.

22jumpstreet:

Why is taking somebody's life considered an evil act?

For asking this, you can now see that you really did not know very well the difference between good and evil, yet you would have claimed that you did.

It is popular, most Nigerians do not know but they all thought they did.

I See your trap question.

Thus, I reverse the question to you since you are capable of thinking to ask this, think of this, is it good to harm a person who has not harmed you?

Would you consider it evil, when herdsmen come to your house to separate your head from the rest of your body?

Dtruthspeaker:


The word "Inclination" was not included when man was created. "Capacity" is right and True but not "inclination".

Inclination, comes from 2 Powers of "the-evil".

One planted in you because your father absorbed it into his soul and the other exerted and pressured on you by the-evil who is also outside you.

Then there is a 3rd evil, which you all do not like to look at, the You, via your Decision and Choice to take the benefits and profits of evil.



For asking this, you can now see that you really did not know very well the difference between good and evil, yet you would have claimed that you did.

It is popular, most Nigerians do not know but they all thought they did.

I See your trap question.

Thus, I reverse the question to you since you are capable of thinking to ask this, think of this, is it good to harm a person who has not harmed you?

Would you consider it evil, when herdsmen come to your house to separate your head from the rest of your body?

Probably you don't really understand the meaning of the world "inclination " well I will allow it slide and let you study more.
You did not make any attempt to tell us what actions can be considered good and evil. Is there really a thick line separating both.
Well it is not good to take anybodys life 5hat has not done any harm to me...every one according to the universal declaration of human right has the right to life..

MaxInDHouse:


Well you're asking for what determines right and wrong everywhere, which differs from place to place due to cultural, geographical and religious factors.
So i am telling you the difference between a true believer and faithless religionists!

Believer in what exactly?

Was it really about believing? I don't think so. I think those things were written for us to know.

The Ancient jews had the habit of worshipping all sorts that their neigbours worshipped. So God had to use his servant (or messiah, Nebochadnezzer) to bring them to Babylon to learn about him.
"My people perish for lack of knowledge " is a famous quote by one of their prophets..

Dtruthspeaker:


Correction! Only One God and then there is the creation who was the first touch evil, therefore, he became "the-evil" which he touched.

Therefore, there is Only One God and the creation who has been joined to evil.



It is Determined. Good is Too Much Greater than evil (Movies and the world full of evil people have been Lying and Deceiving and Blocking us from seeing that The Good, Will Obliterate the evil and will Always Always do so, even with a look.

Evil, Flees from The Good, Always.

That is what God has done.

Do you really think through or read your post before you click "submit"?

Read it through again and see if you understand it or you did not see the apparent contradiction.

If God is the almighty and the creator of everything..then where did you get the idea that any creature can step out of line or you suggesting God made a mistake ?

Dtruthspeaker:


Correction! Only One God and then there is the creation who was the first touch evil, therefore, he became "the-evil" which he touched.

Therefore, there is Only One God and the creation who has been joined to evil.



It is Determined. Good is Too Much Greater than evil (Movies and the world full of evil people have been Lying and Deceiving and Blocking us from seeing that The Good, Will Obliterate the evil and will Always Always do so, even with a look.

Evil, Flees from The Good, Always.

That is what God has done.

So if two adults have consensual sex, is it a sin?

22jumpstreet:


So if two adults have consensual sex, is it a sin?

I knew you were headed there. The question is who do they offend by their acts?

And as it is already seen, sex is not supposed to be seen.

22jumpstreet:


Do you really think through or read your post before you click "submit"?

Read it through again and see if you understand it or you did not see the apparent contradiction.

If God is the almighty and the creator of everything..then where did you get the idea that any creature can step out of line or you suggesting God made a mistake ?

There is no contradiction anywhere for you have already laid the Ground and Established that you are clearly aware that creations have been given the power to Choose and make Choices, as you said

"So in this case it is quite difficult to make up ones mind."

So every creature given that power to choose and make up minds, "Can definitely "Step out of line" and do that which God will not be pleased with.

So don't go there.

22jumpstreet:

Believer in what exactly?
Was it really about believing? I don't think so. I think those things were written for us to know.

The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST therefore when someone say "i beleive" it means such a person trusted in some information he got either through conversation, reading or listening to someone who said what makes sense to him/her.
If it's not about BELEIVE then there is no way we can come to terms on what is evil or sin!

The Ancient jews had the habit of worshipping all sorts that their neigbours worshipped. So God had to use his servant (or messiah, Nebochadnezzer) to bring them to Babylon to learn about him.
"My people perish for lack of knowledge " is a famous quote by one of their prophets..

You mentioned Nebuchadnezzar, do you also agreed with the account of the three Hebrew youths Shadrach Meshach and Abednego?
If you do please what do you perceive these three boys learned by their refusal to worship the image set up by Nebuchadnezzar?

22jumpstreet:

Probably you don't really understand the meaning of the world "inclination " well I will allow it slide and let you study more.

You are the one who did not know what inclination Truly is thinking it had the same meaning with "Capacity", but it does not.

22jumpstreet:

You did not make any attempt to tell us what actions can be considered good and evil.

You did not ask WHAT, You asked "WHY are some acts considered sin and some are not..

So you have Changed Post!

22jumpstreet:

Is there really a thick line separating both.

As I had pointed out earlier as you choose to pretend not to have seen the thick separation
"An act is evil because Some Person Whom it affects, is hurt, wounded and injured by it.

Which is why you see All Evil Acts are Crimes and ought to Crimes.

And so if you are looking for acts "WHAT Acts can be Considered evil", you can look at your Criminal Codes/laws for examples of evil acts

And what acts can be considered good, read Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastics, Mathew.

Dtruthspeaker:


There is no contradiction anywhere for you have already laid the Ground and Established that you are clearly aware that creations have been given the power to Choose and make Choices, as you said

"So in this case it is quite difficult to make up ones mind."

So every creature given that power to choose and make up minds, "Can definitely "Step out of line" and do that which God will not be pleased with.

So don't go there.

Exactly..that is why I created this thread. Why are some acts considered sin?
God created us with the ability and capacity to do it..
So where do we draw the line....

One thing I know is that we have to find a way to live in peace...I think that's where the omenani and Torah comes in. We have to limit chaos and war.

Dtruthspeaker:


I knew you were headed there. The question is who do they offend by their acts?

And as it is already seen, sex is not supposed to be seen.

Seen or sin?

MaxInDHouse:

The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST therefore when someone say "i beleive" it means such a person trusted in some information he got either through conversation, reading or listening to someone who said what makes sense to him/her.
If it's not about BELEIVE then there is no way we can come to terms on what is evil or sin!

They do not really fly together. I believe the man in aso rock is Buhari, does it mean I trust him..NO.
How do you bring yourself to believe a woman can become pregnant without a man's sperm.?

You mentioned Nebuchadnezzar, do you also agreed with the account of the three Hebrew youths Shadrach Meshach and Abednego?
If you do please what do you perceive these three boys learned by their refusal to worship the image set up by Nebuchadnezzar?

It means not to follow the crowd. That if a lot of people believe a LIE, it does not become truth and we should be bold enough to stand up for the truth even if it means standing alone. And when we do God will always protect us...

22jumpstreet:


Seen or sin?

I said "Seen"!

22jumpstreet:

They do not really fly together. I believe the man in aso rock is Buhari, does it mean I trust him..NO.

You believe the man in aso rock is Buhari and you trust that info is true, that totally differs from trusting Buhari as a person who is capable of leading a whole nation, that's the difference!

How do you bring yourself to believe a woman can become pregnant without a man's sperm.?

I noticed how you believe (trust) in the same book that says three young men were thrown into fire, the bouncers that threw them into the fire were choked to death by the flame but the three youths weren't hurt by the fire and another man appeared from nowhere making those in the furnace four!
Please what makes you doubt when the same book says a virgin got pregnant through the same power?

It means not to follow the crowd. That if a lot of people believe a LIE, it does not become truth and we should be bold enough to stand up for the truth even if it means standing alone. And when we do God will always protect us...

So those three Hebrews believed (trusted) the One who ordered them not to bow to any image, they trusted (believe) He has the ability to do unimaginable things!

22jumpstreet:
.. Why are some acts considered sin?

As I said earlier, because Someone is Wounded, Hurt or Harmed by them.

22jumpstreet:

God created us with the ability and capacity to do it..
So where do we draw the line....

The line is drawn by your own personal preference.

Do you love wounding, hurting and harming people, by your acts (Commissions) and failings to act (Ommissions)?

That is the Choosing and Decision you would have to Will fully make and take control of, else, others shall bend you to act or fail to act in a manner which shall harm and injure another.

Dtruthspeaker:


I said "Seen"!

Ok..so consensual sex between two adult is not a sin provided they do it "closed door"..

Do I hear you correctly?

MaxInDHouse:

You believe the man in aso rock is Buhari and you trust that info is true, that totally differs from trusting Buhari as a person who is capable of leading a whole nation, that's the difference!


I noticed how you believe (trust) in the same book that says three young men were thrown into fire, the bouncers that threw them into the fire were choked to death by the flame but the three youths weren't hurt by the fire and another man appeared from nowhere making those in the furnace four!
Please what makes you doubt when the same book says a virgin got pregnant through the same power?



So those three Hebrews believed (trusted) the One who ordered them not to bow to any image, they trusted (believe) He has the ability to do unimaginable things!

Your close mind has made you unteachable....

It's sad that you are looking at the story instead of looking at the message in the story...

Na wah o!

What has unteachable got to do with this nah?

The book says something that's unbelievable in one part you swallowed it hook line and sinker but the same book says such in another part of the same book o, now you want to argue!

My advice for you is it's better you throw away the book completely because you can't teach any right thinking person with unimaginable things recorded in the book and condemn same unimaginable things recorded in the same book!

22jumpstreet:

Your close mind has made you unteachable....
It's sad that you are looking at the story instead of looking at the message in the story...

22jumpstreet:


Ok..so consensual sex between two adult is not a sin provided they do it "closed door"..

Do I hear you correctly?

Nope!

I said "Any Act, including consensual sex which Hurts or Wounds A Person, is a Sin!

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!

What has unteachable got to do with this nah?

The book says something that's unbelievable in one part you swallowed it hook line and sinker but the same book says such in another part of the same book o, now you want to argue!

My advice for you is it's better you throw away the book completely because you can't teach any right thinking person with unimaginable things recorded in the book and condemn same unimaginable things recorded in the same book!

Well...the so called old testament belongs to the jews. They call it the Tanakh. It ends at Malachi.

It gives their beliefs and laws..

The romans came along later on when they where world powers and super glued their own scriptures onto the Jewish one.

You can see why there is so many friction between the so called old testament and new testament..They have different concept of God. ...

The jews after 2000+ years still don't consider Jesus anything other than an idol....

Read the book. "The Jesus the jews never knew"...it will blow your mind..

Dtruthspeaker:


Nope!

I said "Any Act, including consensual sex which Hurts or Wounds A Person, is a Sin!

How does it hurt anyone when it is consensual...?

You're the one who don't know how to present your case but i won't disturb you on that, next time you're presenting an argument on anything think deeply before constructing your words.
Whether the Jews beleive Jesus or not has no pedigree on this issue because according to the old testament itself the Israelites has never unanimously accepted any servant of God wholeheartedly right from the time of Moses whom God used to free them from slavery in Egyptian to the last prophet Malachi.

You can't say because they refused to accept Jesus so he's fake or never existed. It's written in their stories that they are stiff-necked.

I am a believer in Jesus and i've gotten so many reasons to believe in him, you first presented Buhari as a case study. Of course i beleive Buhari is in aso rock and he's still alive because everyone is talking about him today in the new. But in the next 1,000 years how will someone living by then be convinced that a man named Buhari once lived on this planet? Is it just the Nigerian history? What if Nigeria separated decades later? Will our later descendants believe Buhari ever lived?
The only reason why anyone living 1,000 years from now can strongly believe in Buhari is when his legacy is still working somewhere and yielding positive results during a time when people need such thing globally!
Any right thinking person will ask "who brought about this idea that's working so perfectly?" YES! not even the best scientists, psychologists nor intellectuals of that time will be able to debunk the existence of such a person!
So Jesus may seem like a myth to you because of some books you read and BELEIVE but there is a group of people whose members are in all the countries on this planet, what really touched me is that this people are just like all other religionists everywhere but they have resolved never to lift up weapons against their fellowman, they've successfully impressed LOVE in the hearts of their members and people throughout the earth are testifying to the bond within them, politics and racism has been silenced in their midst, they're joyfully working together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally, in a world that's divided due to hatred, nationalsm, ethnicity and so on JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have succeeded in making all these possible in their midst! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Are they from the same parents? NO
Are they angels? Of course not!
Are they aliens from outer space? NO!
Are they isolated somewhere? NO!
Are they of the same field of specialization? NO!
Are they all of the same class? NO!

How come they're able to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign among them throughout the earth as if they're all from the same parents?

Well that's a living EVIDENCES of the legacy the man from Nazareth "Jesus Christ" laid down some 2,000 years ago! Act 1:8

So if you're now doubting his existence because of some books written by humans like you and i, please fabricate a character like Jesus and make the legacy of such myth WORK in the midst of people from all races on this planet if you as old as you are now believe in the write up of God's enemies.

May you have PEACE!

22jumpstreet:

Well...the so called old testament belongs to the jews. They call it the Tanakh. It ends at Malachi.
It gives their beliefs and laws..
The romans came along later on when they where world powers and super glued their own scriptures onto the Jewish one.
You can see why there is so many friction between the so called old testament and new testament..They have different concept of God. ...
The jews after 2000+ years still don't consider Jesus anything other than an idol....
Read the book. "The Jesus the jews never knew"...it will blow your mind..

Dear Mr 22jumpstreet,

I'm not asking you to BELIEVE (TRUST) in Jesus of Nazareth i just want you to know that we're battle prepared to continue preaching and teaching the legacy laid down by the most Wonderful Counselor of all time! Isaiah 9:6

So you can continue your argument with your misinformed Churchgoers claiming Christians and worship a demon in the name of Jesus as their god, just know that his true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) are fully competent and completely equipped to silence all the enemies {Isaiah 54:17} of the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE! John 14:6

Farewell!

22jumpstreet:


How does it hurt anyone when it is consensual...?

That was why I answered "And as it is already SEEN, sex is not supposed to be seen."

The word is "Seen".

And you are forgetting that there is Another Person Who SEES ALL, WHO IS GREATLY GREATER THAN MAN AND WHO HIMSELF IS ALSO HURT AND INJURED BY THE ACTIONS OF MEN.

I know you are going to ask some questions thinking I might be wrong so I answer in Advance.

Are parents not hurt when they instruct a child to behave in a certain way but the child disobeys?

Or when they see their children having sex, shall they be grieved?

Or (Remember God is inside every one of us to give us Life) therefore, shall the Holy not be there when you take Him to go and rub yourself in dustbin, under the name of sex and fornication and adultery or incest or homosex?

Doth thou not throw filth and sheet upon The Innocent Who is Clean and Holy and Who has done you know harm to receive these filths?

That is why I answered "An act is evil because SOME PERSON WHOM it affects, is hurt, wounded and injured by it".

God too is in that statement?

22jumpstreet:
I know we have had several topics relating to this subject matter. But I want to introduce a new twist to the idea. Why are some things we do considered evil or sin? And why are others not....

Christianity is a dualistic belief system where you have separate gods for both good and evil. Whether these gods are equal and opposite is still to be determined. But in other belief system like the igbo, yoruba or Judaism there is only one God that I responsible for both good and evil.(Isaiah 45:7). So in this case it is quite difficult to make up ones mind. But in reality, the universe seems to have capacity for any decision we take.
So why are some acts considered sin and some are not..

They are based on a combination of cultural, traditional and personal taboos/preferences that get perpetuated by using the force of religious belief. It is done to give the appearance of immutability when in actual fact they will change based on circumstances.