Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by olaeffect(m): 5:16pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: 1. You brought up the story of Ananias and Saphira as justification of what occurs in your churches today, did you not? ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png)
2. Beginning in chapter 4, we are told that after being saved and recieving the Spirit of God, many of the first Christians sold all they had and brought it so they can use it as a group. ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png)
3. According to the story told of in Acts 5 vs 1 - 11, Peter stood against Ananias and Saphira for lying against the Spirit of God. What I want you to explain to me is how you feel Peter was in some way teaching a doctrine to them for their "salvation" or anything else as you do in your churches today, rather than doing exactly what is described in that passage which is condemn the liars? Yes I brought up the story to make you see that the Apostles did other things (Church management and administration) than just preaching salvation, salvation, salvation. Because your point was that, that is the only thing Jesus commanded his deciples to do. I didn't send that scripture to you for any doctrine sake, and even if you want to talk of doctrine why are you not asking me if I sent the scripture to say selling of property and sharing it amongst church member is a doctrine, why are you so kin about joining issues with matters of the Holy spirit? Bros I beg you with God in the name of Jesus Christ, no join me with Holy spirit matter. Mathews 12: 31-32 Choose another topic of doctrine, after explaining to me what you mean/understand by doctrine. I dey wait. |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Nauttyprof(m): 5:16pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
HedwigesMaduro:
So, if the church grew in population from 50 to 250 in one year, how do you quantify the souls won there? This is why you need to ask questions than conclude. I belong to a different denomination and I can tell you what happens when a daughter church is established. The Pastor of the daughter church reports monthly to the mother church (the church council). Part of what he is to report on is the attendance to weekly programme, report on evangelism carried out for the month. This includes number of times evangelism was done for the month and the numbers of new convert from this and how many of them now worship in the church. For special programmes, they also give reports on number of those who gave their lives to christ and what the church is doing to help them grow spiritually. I am also aware that the mother church also sends representative to the daughter church to assist in evangelism and also to check level of progress there. I believe with the above, I have been able to clarify some areas. I was once an executive of a mother church and had the privilege of seeing the pastor of the daughter church give his report like every other church executive. |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by BnQoyyim(m): 5:16pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Relief them of their job is better than commanding the sheeps to be grazing, drinking Dettol, handling the females boob and all sorts of assaults. 1 Like |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Romanoff(f): 5:17pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: But the study you just referred me to assumes it is more than just that one command..there is a whole doctrinal school built around this great commission you speak of, and there are included lies that suggest that special rrewards await those win souls. ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png)
All Jesus Christ did was give a command, without a blessing or promise attached to it. ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) I'm not about the doctrine. But the command. Whatever name we choose to call it, it's something that all Christians should take seriously. As a pastor of a church, if for 3 months, no one in your church has won a soup, your evangelism and follow up department isn't having records, there is a problem. It means you're just a pastor of church goers, lukewarm or cold people. Does it mean there isn't two or three people in that church who are actively winning souls or is it the attitude and body language of the church that keeps people away? |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by SexyBabe001: 5:17pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
yinkkus:
my nature from my birth has been fairness, i don't get carried away with personalty. so to be clear to you i am not supporting the sacked pastor, the most i could do is to listen to his own side of the story too, i believe as an adult after he was sacked they must be some verbal exchanges as to the reason he was sacked apart from the formal procedure, this is what he probably brought to the media and you don't except the G.O to fold his arms without defending or making a good image of his church.... so the main issue here is soulwinning, there is a thin line here, how can we measure soul winning in the church on the surface? is it not by members present? do you even know the mind of the members to know if their souls are won? and must a won soul come to your church? so the two may be saying the same thing in different ways. I think before anyone is employed they will be be given rules, target, instructions and policies about the mission & church.. Did they show us that? Nah... Did they tell us the TOS as mandated by the church? When they were employed and given a free hand to operate did they come online to inform us? No Human beings are the most cunning set of ppl, forget the anointing and the so called men kf God they claimed... They only fight back when things do not go their way. If the church were to go their way and release their terms of contract I am sure most critizing the church will ask God for mercy.. |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Franklydes(m): 5:17pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
BafanaBafana: The sacked pastor in this case was explicitly told about income. He was told the church should be able to generate money to run itself, and shouldn't be running at loss. They made a mistake in giving him the explanation, thinking he won't go public because of the fear of the wrath of God, but nigga is a Tiv man, dem no dey fear like that, he spilt everything. Imagine if the church was in bonny island, and they couldn't grow in numbers, but have a fat income, would they sack the pastor? Besides, when they talk about winning souls, do they mean leading people to Christ, or bringing members to their church? Because I don't see why you will be dragging someone who is attending a church already to come to your church, claiming to be winning souls. Furthermore, I don't know if I have ever seen a living faith member who is living a Christlike life. Church is just gymnastic for most of them. The only thing they take seriously is paying of tithe, which is the emphasis of their messages by the way you too make sense abeg and most Nigerian youths are still in denial that's it's not about money 1 Like |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by MASCOTECH: 5:18pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Must the souls won become members of your Church before you know the pastors are winning souls;What if they attend other churches? Churches seem to be de-marketing each other these days instead of converting non xtians. 1 Like |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Kobojunkie: 5:19pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
olaeffect:
Yes I brought up the story to make you see that the Apostles did other things (Church management and administration) than just preaching salvation, salvation, salvation. Because your point was that, that is the only thing Jesus commanded his deciples to do. I didn't send that scripture to you for any doctrine sake, and even if you want to talk of doctrine why are you not asking me if I sent the scripture to say selling of property and sharing it amongst church member is a doctrine, why are you so kin about joining issues with matters of the Holy spirit? Bros I beg you with God in the name of Jesus Christ, no join me with Holy spirit matter. Mathews 12: 31-32 Choose another topic of doctrine, after explaining to me what you mean/understand by doctrine. I dey wait. So, in Acts 5 vs 11, what was Peter doing in that case? Was Peter managing a church? Administrating the church? what exactly are you told Peter was doing there? Notice I am asking the same question, even several comments later and you have yet to respond. |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by SexyBabe001: 5:19pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Franklydes: what are you saying na. Do you even reasoning, baba is still talking about money and you are saying his is not talking about money. Ah Nogerian youths and reason just don't mix I know comphrension is a big problem in Nigeria but pls read slowly and try to understand. English is not hard na... Don't go about digracing yourself.. I only highlighted the pastors are being economical with the truth |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by staphcures: 5:20pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
How is Unfruitfulness explained here ...Were they not Anointed and Mandated by the Bishop ? we're they not under the Ministry Covenant ...Do they fell from Grace or Backslided into Sin ,How is this Explained under the Context of Love ....
He said they don't identifies with Failures ...So when someone is Failing he has to be pushed away ...Well Just as it's done in the Secular Environment..All Members on here make Una Take am easy with me oooo it's my Opinion ... |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by biotechshola(m): 5:21pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
BafanaBafana: The sacked pastor in this case was explicitly told about income. He was told the church should be able to generate money to run itself, and shouldn't be running at loss. They made a mistake in giving him the explanation, thinking he won't go public because of the fear of the wrath of God, but nigga is a Tiv man, dem no dey fear like that, he spilt everything. Imagine if the church was in bonny island, and they couldn't grow in numbers, but have a fat income, would they sack the pastor? Besides, when they talk about winning souls, do they mean leading people to Christ, or bringing members to their church? Because I don't see why you will be dragging someone who is attending a church already to come to your church, claiming to be winning souls. Furthermore, I don't know if I have ever seen a living faith member who is living a Christlike life. Church is just gymnastic for most of them. The only thing they take seriously is paying of tithe, which is the emphasis of their messages by the way Dont care who you are, all I care for is God to bless you for this piece.. 2 Likes |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by loswhite(m): 5:23pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Dominion2000: WINNERS CHURCH DOESN'T PLAY WITH EVANGELISM AND SOUL WINNING. IF YOU WILL BE APPROVED, YOU MUST BE AN ARDENT ONE. PAPA HAS SPOKEN THE VISION OF THE COMMISSION. ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ARE WASTED WORDS.. PERIOD Please how do you define soul winning? Does having 100 members equate to 100 souls won? You guys are zombies 2 Likes |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by olaeffect(m): 5:24pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Jesus Christ Himself said that His Church is built by Him. ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png)
And you are right, I am not one of your Churchians since I am instead of the Church that was built by Jesus Christ Himself. ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) Well you don't even know what a church is. If you do you will know that the body of Christ is the Church and you will understand that the body of Jesus Christ the Son of God that filleth all in all cannot be built upon a human being, but upon the Peter (which means The Rock) which every spiritual minded bible scholar knows means the WORD. That same WORD which became flesh. Mathew 7: 24-27 |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Kobojunkie: 5:24pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Romanoff:
I'm not about the doctrine. But the command. Whatever name we choose to call it, it's something that all Christians should take seriously. As a pastor of a church, if for 3 months, no one in your church has won a soup, your evangelism and follow up department isn't having records, there is a problem.
It means you're just a pastor of church goers, lukewarm or cold people.
Does it mean there isn't two or three people in that church who are actively winning souls or is it the attitude and body language of the church that keeps people away? You say you are not all about the doctrine but your very interpretation of the command speaks against your claim. ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) The command simply says go and propagate the Gospel of the Kingdom to all the world... but you interpret it instead to mean that a pastor ought to win souls to fill churches which Jesus Christ never commanded to begin with. ![lipsrsealed](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/lipsrsealed.png) Do you not see that what you believe is not what Jesus Christ commanded but instead Man's interpretation of what Jesus Christ said .I.e. the doctrines and tradition of men. ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by loswhite(m): 5:24pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
FarahAideed:
My sister by fruitful he means they were not attracting enough people and that translates to low income Let them continue to pretend to be foolish 1 Like |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Kobojunkie: 5:26pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
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Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Olarewaju89: 5:28pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Captain8: which lying? do expect oledepo to say yes?
oledepo is big fraudster Like your father abi?
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Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by jaytee01(m): 5:28pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
BafanaBafana: The sacked pastor in this case was explicitly told about income. He was told the church should be able to generate money to run itself, and shouldn't be running at loss. They made a mistake in giving him the explanation, thinking he won't go public because of the fear of the wrath of God, but nigga is a Tiv man, dem no dey fear like that, he spilt everything. Imagine if the church was in bonny island, and they couldn't grow in numbers, but have a fat income, would they sack the pastor? Besides, when they talk about winning souls, do they mean leading people to Christ, or bringing members to their church? Because I don't see why you will be dragging someone who is attending a church already to come to your church, claiming to be winning souls. Furthermore, I don't know if I have ever seen a living faith member who is living a Christlike life. Church is just gymnastic for most of them. The only thing they take seriously is paying of tithe, which is the emphasis of their messages by the way |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Franklydes(m): 5:29pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
SexyBabe001:
I know comphrension is a big problem in Nigeria but pls read slowly and try to understand. English is not hard na...
Don't go about digracing yourself..
I only highlighted the pastors are being economical with the truth but to be logical its about money my dear. If the church was in bonny island with little members but fat income would he sack the pastors. Think my dear think. No let in the name of Holy ghost put you for high ground. |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by olaeffect(m): 5:32pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: So, in Acts 5 vs 11, what was Peter doing in that case? Was Peter managing a church? Administrating the church? what exactly are you told Peter was doing there? ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png)
Notice I am asking the same question, even several comments later and you have yet to respond. Like Jesus will respond in situation like this; what do you think Peter was doing? Was he preaching salvation? |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Captain8(m): 5:34pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Olarewaju89:
Like your father abi? shut up.... oledepo remain the most dreaded criminal cum microphone fraudster...winnersMMM.. 1 Like |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Image123(m): 5:34pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Judolisco: I don't have any problem with numbers... I'm an usher at my local church and we count every Sunday... My problem is sacking them after a year considering the pandemic, some were sent to Christian dominated areas like ekiti or benue I served in ekiti there's nothing u can do that people will leave their cac, Catholic, seven days, Anglican and come to winners except u are sharing food every Sunday... Even wen we did nysc rural rugged they were reluctant to come out until we started sharing things and giving free medical check up and drugs... Bishop made mention of fruitfulness.. Luke 13 talked about a master that wanted to destroy his vineyard after 3 Yrs of lack of productivity, but the servant asked him to be patient for one more year so he can tender it and if it still remains d same it can cut it off... Patience It's God that increases it's church no amount of evangelism can bring people 1 Corinthians 3:6 Seems we are comparing apples and oranges here. A parable for one is not taken literally. You don't need 3 literal years to sack a non performer. They are not sacked from the kingdom of God or from church or from the earth. From the news, about 7000 local churches were established. If 40 or so are not performing and are "blatant failures" like was described, there is no need to tie them down there. Let others try, it is not personal property or government tenure where you leave non-performer and even vote them in again. God commands His children to go and evangelise. If it was useless like you imply, i am certain God will not command it. Churches record new converts and new members everywhere there is life and the true gospel preached. |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Fortez: 5:34pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Really |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Sirbedy: 5:35pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Religion of business |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by imam07: 5:37pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
FarahAideed:
Oga the fruitful there is money you were with them when they did d meeting and typed d letter |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by SexyBabe001: 5:38pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Franklydes: but to be logical its about money my dear. If the church was in bonny island with little members but fat income would he sack the pastors. Think my dear think. No let in the name of Holy ghost put you for high ground. . Okay Sir... You believe the pastors but don't believe Oyedepo. What will Oyedepo gain in lying? He employed them and he fired them... So why should he lie? |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Gambit23: 5:43pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
SexyBabe001: Bishop Oyedepo addresses issue of Living Faith Rural Churches Low Income:
NONSENSE ! OUR ONLY CRITERIA IS HOW MANY SOULS WON AND NOT HOW MUCH INCOME.
WHEN WE EMPLOYED 7000 PASTORS AT ONCE SOCIAL MEDIA WAS DEAD. WE HAVE MORE EMPLOYEES THAN MOST STATES IN NIGERIA AND WE HAVE NEVER OWED THEM OR TAKEN BANK OVERDRAFT ONCE.
THE PASTORS WERE ASKED TO GO BECAUSE THEY WERE UNFRUITFUL. MANY OF THE CHURCHES BUILT CAN NEVER PAY FOR THE CHURCH BUILDING IN 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE NO PATIENCE WITH FAILURE HERE.
-Bishop David Oyedepo at CHoP
*We have built more than 1,000 Churches in rural areas where in the next 30 years, they can never generate such fund, with each costing more than 14 Million Naira. *We are hunting after souls, not income.
People are confused about our Ministry. I learnt some fellows said, “you know, they are not bringing income, that is why they asked them to go.” We asked you to go because you are unfruitful.
Unfruitful! Blatant failure. Doing what there? We have no patience with failure here. When we employed 7,000 people at a time, Social Media was dead. We have more employees in this Organisation than most of the States. Church Gist. No one is owed a dime salary and we don’t borrow, we don’t beg. Ask our bank whether we take overdraft.
We are covenant bound, working in the light of God’ Word. Enjoying an open Heaven. We have fully delivered the first phase of 1,000 plus buildings to the rural Churches. None of those Churches can generate that fund in the next 30 years. No, we are hunting after souls.
Money: NONSENSE! We have never lacked it and yet we have never prayed for it, we are just simply obeying God and He is backing up what He is asking us to do. Awesome God.
Now the next set is about to be flagged off, just certifying the landed property issues, nothing else. We have no lack of anything. The world is confused.
Walking in the light of God’s Word. Please obey God to the full and watch out for His manifestations in your life. Well, you don’t need so much Mathematics to know a thousand buildings; that is not 1000 Naira each, that is not 10 Million (Naira) each, that is not 12 Million (Naira) each, that is not 14 Million (Naira) each.
Some are 35 Million (Naira). At a go! We have never seen it ourselves. We just watched God doing it. The only criteria: How many souls have they gotten there? Then, build for them. How many souls? Not once: “how much money do they have?” Apart from individuals now investing in promoting the Kingdom of God: building 5 Churches, some building 2, some building 3 Churches.
Just obey God. Church Gist. Obedience will turn you to a living wonder Have you ever seen raise a prayer point of “O God, send us money”? You have been here for some time, we pray every day. Now we pray 3 times a day: Covenant Hour of Prayer; Covenant Revival Prayer: Morning and Evening.
Going out every day on the streets. You want to see what we see, go and do what we do. But if you are not saved, there is nothing you do that matters. There is nothing you do that matters.
Note: The Church has spent over 2 Billion naira to built over 1000 church auditoria in the first phase.
#BishopDavidOyedepo #CHoP22July2021 #ChurchGist
CHoP is an acronym for Covenant Hour of Prayer.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/444807728996437/posts/2487101721433684/ PASTORPRENUER. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by iramure(m): 5:43pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Captain8: is it God that called oledepo man of God or its people that called him?
do know whether God accept oledepo or not....
oledepo is an antichrist the bible talked about...
tell me one thing Jesus said that oledepo did? I dey ur side guy |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Gambit23: 5:45pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
SexyBabe001: I know the sacked pastors were lying.
If they felt they were sacked unjustly, let them dust themselves together and try to do something. All these media blackmail won't solve anything. Oyedepo was clear here that money was never the issue for their sack which they claimed they were for.
You can't hide for the truth, the God they claimed they were serving knows the indepth and what we don't know..
To those going overboard and saying insulting words, I know most of you will do far worse than he did..
When it comes to pastors your energy gets activated, to hold your senators and reps responsible, you won't but church.. You begin to quote bible. I am not surprise.. Even the devil goes to church..
Same Oyedepo most of you are insulting single-handedly construct Ota road which your FG and State Govt abandon.. You won't hold them accountable but una dey get energy when its Adeboye or Oyedepo
https://autoreportng.com/2019/10/winners-church-to-repair-sango-ota.html/
This was Oyedepo Constructing Ota road... He didn't collect a dime..
This is Adeboye with Ifewara Road..
https://autoreportng.com/2021/06/ife-ifewara-road-senate-hails-rccg-asks-fgs-contractors-to-refund-%25E2%2582%25A6140m.html/
You won't hold the legislooters you voted accountable but want to show muscles on pastors....
Shame
Money is the only issue, if it wasnt, he would not have sacked them. How do u and Oyedepo expect a pastor in a christian state Ekiti to force members of Anglican, Catholics and other Pentecostals to quit their own church where they worship and become permanent members of winners church?? U can't sack someone who was called by God. Simple. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by walkingshadow911: 5:48pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
LikeAking: Souls = income.
Oga we get sense too.
how can i like ur comment 1000 times. very apt ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Judolisco(m): 5:48pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Image123:
Seems we are comparing apples and oranges here. A parable for one is not taken literally. You don't need 3 literal years to sack a non performer. They are not sacked from the kingdom of God or from church or from the earth. From the news, about 7000 local churches were established. If 40 or so are not performing and are "blatant failures" like was described, there is no need to tie them down there. Let others try, it is not personal property or government tenure where you leave non-performer and even vote them in again. God commands His children to go and evangelise. If it was useless like you imply, i am certain God will not command it. Churches record new converts and new members everywhere there is life and the true gospel preached. I didn't imply anything, I didn't say evangelism is useless I dropped a scriptural reference... Also every parable by jesus are earthly stories with heaven significance ... Now u are saying jesus parables are oranges and apples.. U called them non performer and a failure and they should not be given time,is that d advice u also give to people looking for d fruit of d womb and praying to God for increase? I also used states like ekiti state as an example... Well u won't understand unless u r in d field |
Re: Why We Sacked Winners Pastors - Oyedepo Breaks Silence by Gambit23: 5:48pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
valentineuwakwe: Well i know those pastors were lying from the onset but fishing for souls this day don hard o....too many churches everywhere dragging for members and not soul winning, plus people go where instant miracles happen and there ailments solved immediately! Where do u expect pastors to win souls in Christian states ![](/faces/huh.png) |