I only intervened because of how you tried to downplay the significance of Benin supplied guns and ammunitions in the Kiriji war. If Ijebu supplied guys at all, they were insignificant as I have already shown in my earlier intervention.

The name Kiriji itself was named after the reverberating sounds, Ki-ri-ji-i of Benin supplied guns. Or should I say the war itself got it's name Kiriji from the sound of Benin guns.

The report by the British governor, R. E. Dennett that the Alaafin he visited told him of his predecessors paying tributes to Benin is firmly established in the pre colonial history of Nigeria and your fable attempts to deny it will only end here on nairaland. The history has already been written in history books.

Again the Alaafin that told Hugh Clapperton in 1824 that he has sent for his friend the Oba of Benin for troops to assist him didn't say the Alaafin paid for such services/help from the Oba of Benin. The issue of payment was purely your own makeup.

All you have written, are attempts to downplay, misrepresent what actually happened and what was actually recorded to have been said.

You were not there when the British governor visited the Alaafin to know what was discussed. Why would the British governor lied about what the Alaafin told him? The British were not Benin best friends Judging from what they wrote about Benin and the subsequent destruction of the city and stealing of her artefacts.

I quoted verbatim, I didn't add my opinions and meanings into the historical narratives I presented, whilst your reply is laced with conjectures, ifs, maybe this, maybe that, you even implied that the British governor R. E. Dennett lied in his report.

Must everyone that doesn't agree with your ethnic biases be liars.

The Benins are liars, British governor R. E. Dennett was a liar. Take it easy.

lifeisgood12:

during the kiriji war, the only role benin played was supplying weapons to both sides. You claim oyo was beaten by benin when benin never even fought them. Benins have never had economic control over the entire lagos, how do you have control over the entire lagos when they only overlooked one of the smallest parts of lagos. "if the aworis and ijebu came to lagos Island to trade they subcome to the benin trade rules", ijebus traded with portuguese even before you lots got to lagos. Which benin trade rules lol , u lack sense. "Again badagary became one of d economic hub with the emerge of slave trade, all forms of trade took place in lagos highland"- where is the source for this. " royalties to the oba of lagos", badagry has never been under the hands of oba of lagos.

Benin supplying guns in the kirirji war and yet you still claim benin never participated in the war... Lol... Benin as far history go overlorded the entire yoruba people


This guy.... And Your Tribal ego....

It shows you know nothing...

Go and read more

You have sealed your fate in my hands....

i will leave you with some fragmented screenshot.....


Benin had control over the entire lagos island, badagary and ijebu environs that makes the present lagos today

Most European saw the influence benins had over the ijebu and accorded ijebu as a tributary of benin
This fact is only being disputed by you and your fellow Yorubas because benin didn't besiege ijebu and enact a ruler on it, they probably didnt do that because they already knew the ijebu were already on their political control, just the way the benins gave itsekiri its political autonomy to act as a sovereign state to trade with who ever they wanted to, likewise they granted the ijebu same political autonomy but they formed too stubborn and benin sanctioned the ijebus not to trade with the europeans untill the benins finally pulled all her presence from lagos area in 1700,


After the benin withdrawal from lagos around late 1600 lagos was granted full autonomy only to annually return the bodies of their rulers back to benin in every ascertion to the throne, after bini pulled her influence from lagos, badagary soon became autonomous and economic more viable for slave trade , the king of lagos requested the oba of benin military support to reconqer badagary to have it under its control once more which was granted by the oba of benin

The name lagos

Now when Tao11 first brought the curame topic out months ago i never came across tgis writeup untill last night..

When she brought it up i immediately curame could be a corrupt name for ekonuame, a popular name benin used in referring to lagos when growing up

And last night i luckily stormed on this article attesting to my point


If only if we dedicate time to read more we will see that most of the truth in history has already been laid out openly for us, we only struggle in our history because we fail to read and research

gregyboy:
[s]The name lagos

Now when Tao11 first brought the curame topic out months ago i never came across tgis writeup untill last night..

When she brought it up i immediately curame could be a corrupt name for ekonuame, a popular name benin used in referring to lagos when growing up

And last night i luckily stormed on this article attesting to my point


If only if we dedicate time to read more we will see that most of the truth in history has already been laid out openly for us, we only struggle in our history because we fail to read and research[/s]

First of all, I am shocked (like Buhari ) that you just stumbled upon R.C.C. Law’s “Trade and Politics behind the Slave Coast” only last night.

For your information, some of us have jacked same material a long time ago, and have seen the page 330 where Ogieiriaixi was said to have given his personal guess of what he thinks “CuRamo” may mean.

First thing first: Ogieiriaixi is an Edo man, and he was decent enough to have made it clear that he doesn’t know what he himself is saying for certain. He made it clear that he was simply guessing.

Secondly, his guess is unfortunately wrong (not merely because of his Edo bias, but) because of the simple explanation below:

(1) Benin didn’t have connections with Lagos until in the mid/late-1500s.

(2) Yet the Portuguese who visited Lagos in the 1400s, encountered the name Curamo/Koráme there.

(3) The only indigenous name of Lagos from which de Sequeira could have gotten his transcription is none other than the well known indigenous Lagos phrase:

EkoAromi-re/EkoAromi-sa — that is, EkoAromi.

(4) This (i.e. EkoAromi) is consistent with the historical timelines of Portuguese’s first contact with Lagos vis-a-vis Benin’s first contact with Lagos.

(5) Ogieiriaixi’s guess — on the other hand — is out of touch with the historical timelines of the Portuguese’s contact with Lagos vis-a-vis Benin’s first contact with Lagos.

(6) This (i.e. EkoAromi) is also in consistency with the basic consonantal structure of the Portuguese forms: Curamo/Koráme — that is, “K-R-M”.

(7) Ogieiriaixi’s guess, on the other hand, is out of touch with linguistic reality. It is inconsistent with the basic consonantal structure of the Portugues forms: Curamo/Koráme — that is, NOT “k-N-m”.

Cc: lifeisgood12, rhektor

samuk:
[s]I only intervened because of how you tried to downplay the significance of Benin supplied guns and ammunitions in the Kiriji war. If Ijebu supplied guys at all, they were insignificant as I have already shown in my earlier intervention.

The name Kiriji itself was named after the reverberating sounds, Ki-ri-ji-i of Benin supplied guns. Or should I say the war itself got it's name Kiriji from the sound of Benin guns.[/s]

The Europeans traded along the Atlantic coast, and some of the many items they trade are guns.

Benin is one of the indigenous polities near the coast. They traded with the Europeans in these items.

Another indigenous polity near the coast is the Ijebu. They also traded with the Europeans in these items.

In relation to this fact, the Rev Samuel Johnson notes as follows:

“Thus the Ibadans received no help whatever from their compatriots at Lagos. However, with the deposition and expulsion of the Awujale from his capital, the strain between Ibadan and the Ijebus became relaxed. Through Chief Kuku of Ijebu Ode, who had resided at Ibadan for many years, as well as through the Balogun of Ijebu, and from private traders through the Ijebu country, the Ibadans were now able to obtain at very high prices some rifles and ammunition, just sufficient to render their position more secure at Kiriji. The guns were sold to them at the rate of £10 to £15 a piece, and the cartridges at 6d. each—prices which (considering the scarcity of money and the general impoverishment induced by this prolonged war) only men in desperate condition would care to pay. Sanusi, the Are's eldest son, was the first to purchase a few, then Lady Omosa, the daughter of the late Basorun Ogunmola, procured a few for her nephew Kongi, who was now the head of the house. After this the possession of a rifle became a general thing, every war chief trying to get a few for himself. For this purpose many had to sell their slaves and slave wives, a matter of pain and grief to them, as altogether contrary to their custom, but the body politic must be preserved at all costs.”

~ The Rev. S. Johnson, “The History of the Yorubas,” Completed 1897, Published 1921, p. 492.

[s]The report by the British governor, R. E. Dennett that the Alaafin he visited told him of his predecessors paying tributes to Benin is firmly established in the pre colonial history of Nigeria and your fable attempts to deny it will only end here on nairaland. The history has already been written in history books.[/s]

First of all, Dennett was never a Governor of anywhere at any point in human history. He was only a trader and a writer who moved from place to place.

Secondly — for your education — a piece of spurious line found in a piece of writing (but in sharp contrast to a large corpus of several other written/oral account from earlier period, same period, and later period) is not what historians deem as history.

No historian any where on the surface of the earth reaches historical conclusion on the basis of spurious statements, and no historian anywhere on earth surface has ever reached the conclusion that Benin once collected tribute from Oyo. Not even the most bias Benin “historian” would say that.

In a similar vein, Captain Roupell reported that he was informed in the 1890s by the Benin court that the Binis knew nothing about bronze casting prior to the advent of Europeans. That is, Benin didn’t cast one bronze until in the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, etc.

Is this line from Captain Roupell true simply because he reported this as what he was told by the palace, and despite it being contrary to the vast corpus of written/oral account which maintain otherwise?

[s]Again the Alaafin that told Hugh Clapperton in 1824 that he has sent for his friend the Oba of Benin for troops to assist him didn't say the Alaafin paid for such services/help from the Oba of Benin. The issue of payment was purely your own makeup.[/s]

Yes, this representation from H. Clapperton has a firm historical basis.

And my point is that this representation has nothing to do with Kiriji war. You didn’t know that.

This relates to events which happened in the 1820s (i.e. about 50 — 60 years before Kiriji war) when Oyo was amassing as many army as it can in preparation for a decisive engagement against Ilorin which had a very, very large army.

Again, this has nothing to do with Kiriji war, and also Benin is not the only place from where the Alaafin had planned to swell the seize of his army against the engagement with Ilorin. He also looked towards the the Bariba country for the exact same reason.

And IF you really think that Benin would have served in the Alaafin’s army free of charge, then it speaks so much of the imperial domination which Oyo still had over Benin even at a time when Oyo had a civil crisis.

The rational explanation that a thinking brain would muster in this context is that Benin, if independent of Oyo, would have served in the Oyo army not free of charge, but at a cost.

And there is in fact a historical case from Lagos (which is semi-independent of Oyo) serving Oyo — against Badagry — not freely, but at a cost.

[s]All you have written, are attempts to downplay, misrepresent what actually happened and what was actually recorded to have been said[/s]

Well, let those who have a thinking brain use it. Let them read and conclude just has historians have long done.

No historian (not even the most notorious Benin liar) hold the weird idea that one spurious line (against diverse contrary lines) holds an atom of weight.

[s]You were not there when the British governor visited the Alaafin to know what was discussed. Why would the British governor lied about what the Alaafin told him? The British were not Benin best friends Judging from what they wrote about Benin and the subsequent destruction of the city and stealing of her artefacts.[/s]

Gosh! R.E. Dennet was not a British Governor at any point in human history. He was merely a trader and writer doing his thing. And where is it written that Dennett LiEd?

[s]I quoted verbatim, I didn't add my opinions and meanings into the historical narratives I presented, whilst your reply is laced with conjectures, ifs, maybe this, maybe that, you even implied that the British governor R. E. Dennett lied in his report.

Must everyone that doesn't agree with your ethnic biases be liars.

The Benins are liars, British governor R. E. Dennett was a liar. Take it easy.[/s]

Eeya, sorry oo.

Anyways, I have only reached the same conclusion reached by historians despite the one spurious line you want to hang on to against the corpus of Oyo and Benin literature.

Again, Dennett is not a Governor of anywhere in human history. Also, he didn’t necessarily have to lie to be mistaken. God didn’t give you a Brian so that you shouldn’t use it.

Refer to details at the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/4#104243257

Cheers!
Cc: lifeisgood12, rhektor

TAO11:
First of all, I am shocked (like Buhari ) that you just stumbled upon R.C.C. Law’s “Trade and Politics behind the Slave Coast” only last night.

For your information, some of us have jacked same material a long time ago, and have seen the page 330 where Ogieiriaixi was said to have given his personal guess of what he thinks “CuRamo” may mean.

First thing first: Ogieiriaixi is an Edo man, and he was decent enough to have made it clear that he doesn’t know what he himself is saying for certain. He made it clear that he was simply guessing.

Secondly, his guess is unfortunately wrong (not merely because of his Edo bias, but) because of the simple explanation below:

(1) Benin didn’t have connections with Lagos until in the mid/late-1500s.

(2) Yet the Portuguese who visited Lagos in the 1400s, encountered the name Curamo/Koráme there.

(3) The only indigenous name of Lagos from which de Sequeira could have gotten his transcription is none other than the well known indigenous Lagos phrase:

EkoAromi-re/EkoAromi-sa — that is, EkoAromi.

(4) This (i.e. EkoAromi) is consistent with the historical timelines of Portuguese’s first contact with Lagos vis-a-vis Benin’s first contact with Lagos.

(5) Ogieiriaixi’s guess — on the other hand — is out of touch with the historical timelines of the Portuguese’s contact with Lagos vis-a-vis Benin’s first contact with Lagos.

(6) This (i.e. EkoAromi) is also in consistency with the basic consonantal structure of the Portuguese forms: Curamo/Koráme — that is, “K-R-M”.

(7) Ogieiriaixi’s guess, on the other hand, is out of touch with linguistic reality. It is inconsistent with the basic consonantal structure of the Portugues forms: Curamo/Koráme — that is, NOT “k-N-m”.

Cc: lifeisgood12, rhektor

I hate to do this


But can we see evidence to the bolded


No need for long epistle just give me a screenshot with appropriate dating and referencing

Thats all am not in to debate you anymore i humbly come in peace

Just bring the evidence to the bolded and that will settle we benins dilusion

samuk:
I only intervened because of how you tried to downplay the significance of Benin supplied guns and ammunitions in the Kiriji war. If Ijebu supplied guys at all, they were insignificant as I have already shown in my earlier intervention.

The name Kiriji itself was named after the reverberating sounds, Ki-ri-ji-i of Benin supplied guns. Or should I say the war itself got it's name Kiriji from the sound of Benin guns.

The report by the British governor, R. E. Dennett that the Alaafin he visited told him of his predecessors paying tributes to Benin is firmly established in the pre colonial history of Nigeria and your fable attempts to deny it will only end here on nairaland. The history has already been written in history books.

Again the Alaafin that told Hugh Clapperton in 1824 that he has sent for his friend the Oba of Benin for troops to assist him didn't say the Alaafin paid for such services/help from the Oba of Benin. The issue of payment was purely your own makeup.

All you have written, are attempts to downplay, misrepresent what actually happened and what was actually recorded to have been said.

You were not there when the British governor visited the Alaafin to know what was discussed. Why would the British governor lied about what the Alaafin told him? The British were not Benin best friends Judging from what they wrote about Benin and the subsequent destruction of the city and stealing of her artefacts.

I quoted verbatim, I didn't add my opinions and meanings into the historical narratives I presented, whilst your reply is laced with conjectures, ifs, maybe this, maybe that, you even implied that the British governor R. E. Dennett lied in his report.

Must everyone that doesn't agree with your ethnic biases be liars.

The Benins are liars, British governor R. E. Dennett was a liar. Take it easy.

Lol.... Dont drag words with her drop screenshot evidence with referencing so people can help themselves confirm the authencity of your words, when you do that there willl be no need to battle words with her rather with the open silent audience who would be reading quietly


Please always refrence and drop links and screenshot to every of your point you make because you're actually convincing the audience not Tao, convincing tao is futile
you giving mere statement with no referencing makes the audience think you made up your writeup from thin air

You made very good point on the name of kiriji you should follow it up with a screenshot or a refrence or a link for the audience to make easy research ...

Good luck bro remember we aren't going to be doing this forever so whatever we do, whatever comment we leave should be backed up with authencity to make things easier for future researchers and readers and don't be afraid to ask her for evidence bro....


Just giving an advice bro....


I guess we have achieved the greatest research on Nairaland bursting the ife and benin myth...

gregyboy:


Lol.... Dont drag words with her drop screenshot evidence with referencing so people can help themselves confirm the authencity of your words, when you do that there willl be no need to battle words with her rather with the open silent audience who would be reading quietly


Please always refrence and drop links and screenshot to every of your point you make because you're actually convincing the audience not Tao, convincing tao is futile
you giving mere statement with no referencing makes the audience think you made up your writeup from thin air

You made very good point on the name of kiriji you should follow it up with a screenshot or a refrence or a link for the audience to make easy research ...

Good luck bro remember we aren't going to be doing this forever so whatever we do, whatever comment we leave should be backed up with authencity to make things easier for future researchers and readers and don't be afraid to ask her for evidence bro....


Just giving an advice bro....


I guess we have achieved the greatest research on Nairaland bursting the ife and benin myth...

All the references are in my first write up before the one you commented on.

samuk:


All the references are in my first write up before the one you commented on.

Nice then,


I beginning to signout from culture thread, particularly defending bini i think we have giving an endless blow to haters..

I will be whirling on romance section now leme b advising some confused fellas ....

Dont let her make you talk she enjoys it bro, just drop screenshot and links and walk out


But thanks you doing a great job.... But dont always give her d attention she seeks

gregyboy:
[s]I hate to do this
But can we see evidence to the bolded
No need for long epistle just give me a screenshot with appropriate dating and referencing
Thats all am not in to debate you anymore i humbly come in peace
Just bring the evidence to the bolded and that will settle we benins dilusion[/s]

LMAO!

For the sake of educating you, Ruy de Sequeira is the name of the European explorer who described the waters of Lagos area by the words Lago de Curamo, meaning Lake of Curamo. De Sequeira’s exploration of the west African coast was around the year 1472.

The foregoing details on Ruy de Sequeira’s “Lago de Curamo” is at least according to a chronicle written in the 1500s, and first published in the year 1563 by Antonio Galvão. Refer to reference below:

Antonio Galvão, ”Tratado Dos Descobrimentos,” 1563, p. 129.

I don’t have any screenshot to help you with. You do the work you needed me to do for you.

Now you have the reference. Go ahead and hop from library to library.

Cheers!

Cc: rhektor, lifeisgood12

gregyboy:
••• I guess we have achieved the greatest research on Nairaland bursting the ife and benin myth...

LOMH I’m “laughing off my head”.

Ngbeke is GuEsSiNg.

See the links below for a gentle reminder of some of the evidence of the classical relationship between son-Benin & greatgrandfather-Ife.

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798

https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

Cheers!

Cc: rhektor, lifeisgood12

gregyboy:


Benin supplying guns in the kirirji war and yet you still claim benin never participated in the war... Lol... Benin as far history go overlorded the entire yoruba people


This guy.... And Your Tribal ego....

It shows you know nothing...

Go and read more

You have sealed your fate in my hands....

i will leave you with some fragmented screenshot.....


Benin had control over the entire lagos island, badagary and ijebu environs that makes the present lagos today

Most European saw the influence benins had over the ijebu and accorded ijebu as a tributary of benin
This fact is only being disputed by you and your fellow Yorubas because benin didn't besiege ijebu and enact a ruler on it, they probably didnt do that because they already knew the ijebu were already on their political control, just the way the benins gave itsekiri its political autonomy to act as a sovereign state to trade with who ever they wanted to, likewise they granted the ijebu same political autonomy but they formed too stubborn and benin sanctioned the ijebus not to trade with the europeans untill the benins finally pulled all her presence from lagos area in 1700,


After the benin withdrawal from lagos around late 1600 lagos was granted full autonomy only to annually return the bodies of their rulers back to benin in every ascertion to the throne, after bini pulled her influence from lagos, badagary soon became autonomous and economic more viable for slave trade , the king of lagos requested the oba of benin military support to reconqer badagary to have it under its control once more which was granted by the oba of benin

i made an error on the part benin supplied guns to Yorubas. Europeans supplied guns to ijebus.
The part on your image specifies where benins were located. "Benins occupied lagos island as a camp".
CC: TAO11

gregyboy:


Benin supplying guns in the kirirji war and yet you still claim benin never participated in the war... Lol... Benin as far history go overlorded the entire yoruba people


This guy.... And Your Tribal ego....

It shows you know nothing...

Go and read more

You have sealed your fate in my hands....

i will leave you with some fragmented screenshot.....


Benin had control over the entire lagos island, badagary and ijebu environs that makes the present lagos today

Most European saw the influence benins had over the ijebu and accorded ijebu as a tributary of benin
This fact is only being disputed by you and your fellow Yorubas because benin didn't besiege ijebu and enact a ruler on it, they probably didnt do that because they already knew the ijebu were already on their political control, just the way the benins gave itsekiri its political autonomy to act as a sovereign state to trade with who ever they wanted to, likewise they granted the ijebu same political autonomy but they formed too stubborn and benin sanctioned the ijebus not to trade with the europeans untill the benins finally pulled all her presence from lagos area in 1700,


After the benin withdrawal from lagos around late 1600 lagos was granted full autonomy only to annually return the bodies of their rulers back to benin in every ascertion to the throne, after bini pulled her influence from lagos, badagary soon became autonomous and economic more viable for slave trade , the king of lagos requested the oba of benin military support to reconqer badagary to have it under its control once more which was granted by the oba of benin

CC: TAO11

@lifeisgood12, I noticed you tried sending me an email.

I am, however, unable to view the email because we do not follow each other on Nairaland.

To have your email delivered to me (and before I can view it) you would have to follow me. I just followed you now.

Please follow back and then try resending the email.

Cheers.

gregyboy:


Nice then,


I beginning to signout from culture thread, particularly defending bini i think we have giving an endless blow to haters..

I will be whirling on romance section now leme b advising some confused fellas ....

Dont let her make you talk she enjoys it bro, just drop screenshot and links and walk out


But thanks you doing a great job.... But dont always give her d attention she seeks

I know her by now. I only occasionally reply her because of those that are not very well informed that believe her storytelling.

She put a spin on every historical narrative to favour her ethnic bias. I sometimes feel sorry for some of her audiences that genuinely seek the correct historical accounts devoid of lies and spins. She continue to misinform these people. At the end of the day, her misrepresentations will only end here on nairaland because most of what we debate here are already well established in history books, she can continue to offer her bias opinions as history to her Yoruba people.

Imagine a simple historical narrative that quoted the Alaafin as saying he was facing insurrection from those he called rebels and needed nothing other than what will put an end to the rebels and that he has sent to his friend the Oba of Benin for troops to assist him. Below is the exact quote with references.

She still managed to spin this simple qoute by saying the Alaafin was preparing for war. The Alaafin wasn't preparing for war, the rebellion was already going on and the Alaafin didn't have the army to put an end to it, that is why he sent to the Oba of Benin to send him troops to help him.

Because the Alaafin was already paying tributes to Benin as already shown, the Alaafin sent an SOS to Benin for help. The Alaafin was not the only one Benin help in Yoruba land during wars, Lagos and other Benin subjects in Eastern Yoruba have in different times call on Benin for military assistance and all these are well established in history.

"The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

"In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


She goes on to say the historical narrative that the Alaafin paid tributes to Benin is not in Benin oral history. She wants to teach a Benin person Benin oral history.

Let me simplify Benin pre colonial oral history to her. In Benin oral history, the Oba was only second to God almighty in heaven. The Oba of Benin was believed to be God's representative on earth, everyone and everything including all gods, religions in the land, human, animals both on land and sea, the extent of the sea and land that are accessible to the Benin belongs to the Oba of Benin irrespective of location and distance from Benin. So the Alaafin would have been seen as just one of the numerous rulers under Benin.

If Benin wanted to conquer the Alaafin and his people at anytime, it would have been a cakewalk for Benin army, same army that the Alaafin rely on to keep his kingdom from being destroyed by his rebellious neighbours.

Her arguments of weather the Alaafin paid tributes to Benin is neither here or there, the undisputed king in pre colonial Nigeria was the Oba of Benin.


Cheers.

"Overview of 19th Century Wars and Turbulence on Ado-Ekiti:

No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions…The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.


Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.

The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…


Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’

Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’.

More on Benin/Igala relationship told by the Igalas themselves. There is also a nollywood movie by Mercy Johnson.

You can find the history and her statue on the internet.

The Legend of Igala Kingdom- Princess In
Princess Inikpi of Kogi

According to historical records, It all started with a war between Benin & the Igala people which caused the land to be unsafe, farmlands were taken over by the enemies and stream been poisoned so that anyone that drank from them would die. Nowhere was safe at all.

The Igalas feared imminent death from starvation and lack of water. When the Atta (King) consulted the oracle, it proclaimed that a reversal of their misfortune and victory in the war could only come when the princess, the only daughter of the king is buried alive. — Princess Inikpi.

Surely, the king was distraught heartbroken and shaded tears. For days, he didn’t eat or drink and he wished for an alternative solution. Of cos, no father would just agree for any of his children to be buried alive not to talk about the only child of the Atta (King).

The princess noticed the worries of her father and asked to know the reason for his sadness. Instead of opening up, he held off telling her the reason for seven days, but on the eighth, he relented and told her the words of the Oracle.

The Princess loved his father and her people as much as they loved her, could not bear the thought of holding off on the solution that would save Igala land. Princess Inikpi did not object, she did not fight. Therefore, she agreed to be sacrificed and set off voluntarily to the bank of River Niger at Idah (some say market square), where she was buried along with 9 slaves who would help her in the journey to the afterlife.

It was a sad resolution but the Igala people hailed her for her heroism. after the sacrifice, the story went on that as the Bini armies advanced to swoop, they saw the whole town in FLAMES and retreated feeling that there was no need taking the war to a place already on fire; but it was the blood of Inikpi that deceived them. However, it was the influence of the sacrifice.

Observance of the role the Princess played in averting disaster in Igala land still represents an important historical event in the life of the igala people. Today, so many people in Idah bear the name Inikpi in honour of the princess.

The sacrifice was a costly one, very expensive indeed, it, however, made peace reign again in Igala land.

Till today, the late Princess Inikpi who was sacrificed so that the Igalas might live remains the unifying factor in Igala land.

For this, the Igala people are forever deeply grateful to Princess Inikpi for her sacrifice and act of heroism. A statue of the princess stands at “Ega” in Idah, which is considered the Igala traditional headquarters. Several plays have also been produced to celebrate her story

TAO11:
LMAO!

For the sake of educating you, Ruy de Sequeira is the name of the European explorer who described the waters of Lagos area by the words Lago de Curamo, meaning Lake of Curamo. De Sequeira’s exploration of the west African coast was around the year 1472.

The foregoing details on Ruy de Sequeira’s “Lago de Curamo” is at least according to a chronicle written in the 1500s, and first published in the year 1563 by Antonio Galvão. Refer to reference below:

Antonio Galvão, ”Tratado Dos Descobrimentos,” 1563, p. 129.

I don’t have any screenshot to help you with. You do the work you needed me to do for you.

Now you have the reference. Go ahead and hop from library to library.

Cheers!

Cc: rhektor, lifeisgood12

Place me a directly link to the page and also give a screenshot here too...

gregyboy:



Place me a directly link to the page and also give a screenshot here too...

Like you can not do research on your own by yourself with all the claims you have always made on this forum? TAO11 must spoonfeed you

TAO11:
LMAO!

For the sake of educating you, Ruy de Sequeira is the name of the European explorer who described the waters of Lagos area by the words Lago de Curamo, meaning Lake of Curamo. De Sequeira’s exploration of the west African coast was around the year 1472.

The foregoing details on Ruy de Sequeira’s “Lago de Curamo” is at least according to a chronicle written in the 1500s, and first published in the year 1563 by Antonio Galvão. Refer to reference below:

Antonio Galvão, ”Tratado Dos Descobrimentos,” 1563, p. 129.

I don’t have any screenshot to help you with. You do the work you needed me to do for you.

Now you have the reference. Go ahead and hop from library to library.

Cheers!

Cc: rhektor, lifeisgood12

Its gregyboy and this my other account


Anyway i got banned on my gregyboy account and my reply to you was deleted

I wrote a long writeup in my mention to you that was Deleted and i know i didnt break any rule

Anyway am not writing any further long writeup


I just need the actual quote by Ruy de Sequeira’s calling lagos lago de curamo i have done my search and i found nothing but a futile attempt to rewrite history for self glorification



I will be needing is original quotation in his exact quote, by a foreign author describing the land of lagos he visited


Because as far as i know lagos in 1600 when benin attacked was still fairly inhabited not to say 1400,when there was no commercial activites on its shores, but i will assume the Portuguese mistakenly found himself there

Thanks like i said i have done my research all i got was Nigerian author circulating his name without his exact quote

gregyboy:
[s]Place me a directly link to the page and also give a screenshot here too...[/s]

BiniSupremacist:
[s]Its gregyboy and this my other account

Anyway i got banned on my gregyboy account and my reply to you was deleted
I wrote a long writeup in my mention to you that was Deleted and i know i didnt break any rule
Anyway am not writing any further long writeup
I just need the actual quote by Ruy de Sequeira’s calling lagos lago de curamo i have done my search and i found nothing but a futile attempt to rewrite history for self glorification
I will be needing is original quotation in his exact quote, by a foreign author describing the land of lagos he visited
Because as far as i know lagos in 1600 when benin attacked was still fairly inhabited not to say 1400,when there was no commercial activites on its shores, but i will assume the Portuguese mistakenly found himself there
Thanks like i said i have done my research all i got was Nigerian author circulating his name without his exact quote[/s]

To be honest, I feel your pain as well as that of your fellow Benin low-self esteemers.

Having said that, you’ve been given the reference, so make use of it.

Not all books have LiNkS. Not all books are digitized yet. Did you know this?

Take that reference to a library. Have you been to one before? The actual phrase is “Lago de Curamo”.

The Lord is your strength during this trying time.

Cheers!

samuk:
[s]Kiriji war.....

The name Kiriji itself was gotten from the frightening sounds of Benin supplied ammunitions.

"Next the Ogbagis obtained help from Rabbah and Ilorin. Sinabu King Masaba's son and Hinakonu the Fulani Balogun of Ilorin came against him ; thrice was Ayorinde routed, and many of his fighting men speared, but he rallied again and maintained his ground. Ogbagi was at length taken. Ayorinde became lord of the Akokos and Ido Ani. He opened a caravan way to Owo through which he obtained ammunition from Benin." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas

"The confederates now aimed at wresting from the Ibadans all their subject towns including Oyo towns under their protection from Ikirun to Iwo, and limit the Ibadan territories to the river Oba, that is the natural limits of their farms in that direction. It soon became evident that the Ifes had joined them, because their only safe route to Benin for ammunition via Oke Igbo became unsafe from kidnappers ; but the people of Modakeke being Oyos and not Ifes refused to join the coalition knowing that the destruction of Ibadan would be their own ruin, as the Ifes were ever hostile to them, but remained quiet for fear of the Ibadans." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas

"The allies had also the great advantage over the Ibadans, in that they had free access to Benin for ammunition whilst nearly all the roads were closed to the Ibadans. Long flintlock guns with large muzzles were imported from Benin ; these, when fully loaded and fired, gave a report which reverberating from hill to hill all around sounded like Ki-ri-ji-i, from which this war was named the Kiriji Campaign." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas[/s]

Benin didn’t produce no guns in case your aim is to deceive your brothers into believing that.

The Europeans traded along the Atlantic coast, and some of the many items they trade are guns.

Benin is one of the indigenous polities near the coast. They traded with the Europeans in these items.

Another indigenous polity near the coast is the Ijebu. They also traded with the Europeans in these items.

In relation to this fact, the Rev Samuel Johnson notes as follows:

“Thus the Ibadans received no help whatever from their compatriots at Lagos. However, with the deposition and expulsion of the Awujale from his capital, the strain between Ibadan and the Ijebus became relaxed. Through Chief Kuku of Ijebu Ode, who had resided at Ibadan for many years, as well as through the Balogun of Ijebu, and from private traders through the Ijebu country, the Ibadans were now able to obtain at very high prices some rifles and ammunition, just sufficient to render their position more secure at Kiriji. The guns were sold to them at the rate of £10 to £15 a piece, and the cartridges at 6d. each—prices which (considering the scarcity of money and the general impoverishment induced by this prolonged war) only men in desperate condition would care to pay. Sanusi, the Are's eldest son, was the first to purchase a few, then Lady Omosa, the daughter of the late Basorun Ogunmola, procured a few for her nephew Kongi, who was now the head of the house. After this the possession of a rifle became a general thing, every war chief trying to get a few for himself. For this purpose many had to sell their slaves and slave wives, a matter of pain and grief to them, as altogether contrary to their custom, but the body politic must be preserved at all costs.”

~ The Rev. S. Johnson, “The History of the Yorubas,” Completed 1897, Published 1921, p. 492.

[s]Benin was so powerful that it didn't just supply guns and ammunitions to various Yoruba tribes, it also supplied mercenaries to fight in their wars, as you can see below.

"The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

"In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=[/s]

(1) The war preparation described here happened about 50 — 60 years before Kiriji war at all. This preparation has absolutely nothing to do with the Kiriji war.

This preparation, instead, relates to the events which led to the destruction of the Oyo Empire in the early 1800s — long before anything like Kiriji war would be born in the first place. More will be said on this under point (2).

(2) First of all, Asibong Akpan Okon is mistaken about his assertion that a British Governor was responsible for collecting any such statement from the said Alaafin.

The individual who collected and published the cited statement in the 2nd volume of the “United Empire” is the trader, R.E. Dennett.

The key-word used by R.E. Dennett in his report is the English word “tribute”.

Even a basic-level grasp of English makes it clear that the English word “tribute“ has two basic significances:

The Primary Significance (Meaning-1):
A payment made to express gratitude, etc.

The Secondary Significance (Meaning-2):
A payment made to acknowledge conquest, etc.

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It is noteworthy that there is absolutely nothing in the vast corpus of Bini accounts which states (or suggests) that Benin at any point conquered Ọyọ — despite the apparent tendencies in Bini accounts to lay claims of conquest (although usually falsely) to far & near lands.

Similarly, there is absolutely nothing in the vast corpus of Ọyọ accounts which states (or suggests) that Ọyọ at any point in time was conquered by Benin — despite the clear admissions (in Ọyọ accounts) that early Ọyọ was conquered for a while by some Nupe groups, by some Bariba groups, and by the early Owu kingdom.

In the light of the foregoing, the secondary significance (meaning-2) of “tribute” is not applicable to Dennett’s statement above. Such interpretation has no footing whatsoever in Ọyọ or Bini historical accounts and realities.

Conversely, the primary significance (the “meaning-1) of the English term “tribute”, as is now to be expected, is actually that which is in line with the historical realities of Ọyọ-Benin relations as detailed below

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R. E. Dennett collected this statement in ca.1911. The “tribute” payment relates apparently to pre-1911.

The relevant historical background which clarifies his significance of this term is hinted in the Journals of the Europeans who explored the interiors of Yoruba-land in the 1800s.

These explorers reached old Ọyọ and actually met the then Alaafin whose vast empire was at the time facing intense rebellion from at least one of its provinces.

In response to these internal troubles, the then Alaafin reached out to other provinces of his empire; his long standing allies; as well as newly emerging allies in order to nip this specific rebellion in the bud once and for all.

One of its allies which Ọyọ reached out to for this specific engagement in the 1800s was some Bariba groups. Another state which it reached out to, for the purpose of this engagement, is the Benin kingdom.

In relation to this outsourcing services, CPT Clapperton hinted in his 1820s Journal that the Alaafin said:

“he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he has sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war. … In the evening I set off five rockets, which astonished all and frightened away many. The king was sitting under his verandah, and we waited on him to inquire how he liked the rockets; he was quite delighted, and said they should be kept for [the] war.”

Captain Clapperton & Richard Lander, “Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa,” (1829), p. 41.

In the light of this foregoing historical information (as well as in the light of the fact that any supposed Benin conquest of Ọyọ is an historical fallacy); the first significance (meaning-1) of the term “tribute” then is what is meant in Dennett’s statement.

In other words, the outsourcing services which the above quotation from Clapperton’s journal indicated wasn’t free of charge after all.

In sum, the English term “tribute” as used by Dennett in his c.1911 report is in the primary sense of the term as opposed to the secondary sense.


Cheers.

samuk:
[s]I only intervened because of how you tried to downplay the significance of Benin supplied guns and ammunitions in the Kiriji war. If Ijebu supplied guys at all, they were insignificant as I have already shown in my earlier intervention.

The name Kiriji itself was named after the reverberating sounds, Ki-ri-ji-i of Benin supplied guns. Or should I say the war itself got it's name Kiriji from the sound of Benin guns.[/s]

The Europeans traded along the Atlantic coast, and some of the many items they trade are guns.

Benin is one of the indigenous polities near the coast. They traded with the Europeans in these items.

Another indigenous polity near the coast is the Ijebu. They also traded with the Europeans in these items.

In relation to this fact, the Rev Samuel Johnson notes as follows:

“Thus the Ibadans received no help whatever from their compatriots at Lagos. However, with the deposition and expulsion of the Awujale from his capital, the strain between Ibadan and the Ijebus became relaxed. Through Chief Kuku of Ijebu Ode, who had resided at Ibadan for many years, as well as through the Balogun of Ijebu, and from private traders through the Ijebu country, the Ibadans were now able to obtain at very high prices some rifles and ammunition, just sufficient to render their position more secure at Kiriji. The guns were sold to them at the rate of £10 to £15 a piece, and the cartridges at 6d. each—prices which (considering the scarcity of money and the general impoverishment induced by this prolonged war) only men in desperate condition would care to pay. Sanusi, the Are's eldest son, was the first to purchase a few, then Lady Omosa, the daughter of the late Basorun Ogunmola, procured a few for her nephew Kongi, who was now the head of the house. After this the possession of a rifle became a general thing, every war chief trying to get a few for himself. For this purpose many had to sell their slaves and slave wives, a matter of pain and grief to them, as altogether contrary to their custom, but the body politic must be preserved at all costs.”

~ The Rev. S. Johnson, “The History of the Yorubas,” Completed 1897, Published 1921, p. 492.

[s]The report by the British governor, R. E. Dennett that the Alaafin he visited told him of his predecessors paying tributes to Benin is firmly established in the pre colonial history of Nigeria and your fable attempts to deny it will only end here on nairaland. The history has already been written in history books.[/s]

First of all, Dennett was never a Governor of anywhere at any point in human history. He was only a trader and a writer who moved from place to place.

Secondly — for your education — a piece of spurious line found in a piece of writing (but in sharp contrast to a large corpus of several other written/oral account from earlier period, same period, and later period) is not what historians deem as history.

No historian any where on the surface of the earth reaches historical conclusion on the basis of spurious statements, and no historian anywhere on earth surface has ever reached the conclusion that Benin once collected tribute from Oyo. Not even the most bias Benin “historian” would say that.

In a similar vein, Captain Roupell reported that he was informed in the 1890s by the Benin court that the Binis knew nothing about bronze casting prior to the advent of Europeans. That is, Benin didn’t cast one bronze until in the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, etc.

Is this line from Captain Roupell true simply because he reported this as what he was told by the palace, and despite it being contrary to the vast corpus of written/oral account which maintain otherwise?

[s]Again the Alaafin that told Hugh Clapperton in 1824 that he has sent for his friend the Oba of Benin for troops to assist him didn't say the Alaafin paid for such services/help from the Oba of Benin. The issue of payment was purely your own makeup.[/s]

Yes, this representation from H. Clapperton has a firm historical basis.

And my point is that this representation has nothing to do with Kiriji war. You didn’t know that.

This relates to events which happened in the 1820s (i.e. about 50 — 60 years before Kiriji war) when Oyo was amassing as many army as it can in preparation for a decisive engagement against Ilorin which had a very, very large army.

Again, this has nothing to do with Kiriji war, and also Benin is not the only place from where the Alaafin had planned to swell the seize of his army against the engagement with Ilorin. He also looked towards the the Bariba country for the exact same reason.

And IF you really think that Benin would have served in the Alaafin’s army free of charge, then it speaks so much of the imperial domination which Oyo still had over Benin even at a time when Oyo had a civil crisis.

The rational explanation that a thinking brain would muster in this context is that Benin, if independent of Oyo, would have served in the Oyo army not free of charge, but at a cost.

And there is in fact a historical case from Lagos (which is semi-independent of Oyo) serving Oyo — against Badagry — not freely, but at a cost.

[s]All you have written, are attempts to downplay, misrepresent what actually happened and what was actually recorded to have been said[/s]

Well, let those who have a thinking brain use it. Let them read and conclude just has historians have long done.

No historian (not even the most notorious Benin liar) hold the weird idea that one spurious line (against diverse contrary lines) holds an atom of weight.

[s]You were not there when the British governor visited the Alaafin to know what was discussed. Why would the British governor lied about what the Alaafin told him? The British were not Benin best friends Judging from what they wrote about Benin and the subsequent destruction of the city and stealing of her artefacts.[/s]

Gosh! R.E. Dennet was not a British Governor at any point in human history. He was merely a trader and writer doing his thing. And where is it written that Dennett LiEd?

[s]I quoted verbatim, I didn't add my opinions and meanings into the historical narratives I presented, whilst your reply is laced with conjectures, ifs, maybe this, maybe that, you even implied that the British governor R. E. Dennett lied in his report.

Must everyone that doesn't agree with your ethnic biases be liars.

The Benins are liars, British governor R. E. Dennett was a liar. Take it easy.[/s]

Eeya, sorry oo.

Anyways, I have only reached the same conclusion reached by historians despite the one spurious line you want to hang on to against the corpus of Oyo and Benin literature.

Again, Dennett is not a Governor of anywhere in human history. Also, he didn’t necessarily have to lie to be mistaken. God didn’t give you a Brian so that you shouldn’t use it.

Refer to details at the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/4#104243257

Cheers!

samuk:
[s]"Overview of 19th Century Wars and Turbulence on Ado-Ekiti:

No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions…The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.


Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.

The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…


Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’

Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’.[/s]

(1) Did some Eastern-Yoruba towns embattle Benin kingdom at some point in the course of history?? YES!

Hence, this means that Benin kingdom once ”ruled” some Eastern Yoruba towns?? Absolute crap!


(2) Did Ogedengbe (from Ilesha) or Aje (from Ibadan) ravage & sack different regions of Benin kingdom at some point in the course of history?? YES!

Hence, this means that Ogedengbe (of Ilesha) or Aje (of Ibadan) once “ruled” Benin kingdom [or parts of it] as its emperor??

I would let my Benin rags answer this one.
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You Binis are a laughing stock.

Cc: lifeisgood12, rhektor

"Overview of 19th Century Wars and Turbulence on Ado-Ekiti:
No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions… The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.
Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.
The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…
Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’. This is not embattled, this is total defeat, tell this history too, where come remain for the Ekiti and Ondo. Uromi Oye!!!! EDORODION!!!! I go die oo!!! I go die oo!!!!!!EDO!!!!! EDO!!!!!! Iye o!!!!! Iye oo!!!!Kai!!!

https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/5#104283950

gregyboy:



You all always get it wrong, because bini influence never got to those areas does that mean benin never ruled them or her influence was not overlording them,

These people you mentioned were all present when bini overtook their trading port which was lagos Island, they all fought against the benins but they weren't victorious and they lost


Lagos Island was the econmic hub and the capital of lagos in the 16 century when the benins besieged it, the aworis, the ijebus from the hinterland, the oyos all came there to trade with the europeans before the benins later came for their own trading, after a while benin besieged the area, to take full econmic controls and those tribes you mentioned up there fought the benins and lost, thereby subcoming to the benin rulership,
Lagos highland was the capital and therefore would show all benin influence and again they were only few benin people who migrated to lagos to take control so her cultural influence couldn't go widespread to all areas like you imagined, but her political influence was all widespread all over lagos, as long as benin took the capital which was lagos highland from the aworis ijaw, ijebu, Itshekiris who traded there before the benins, they therefore all came under the benin rule by default forget your tribal viewpoint youre giving up there i suggest you read benin political rulers hip of lagos it talked about how benin gave autonomy to local former ruler of lagos, to rule their areas as long as they pay royalty to the center which was lagos highland

Example, even in the benin kingdom not all towns in the past had an enogie heading them until recently, does that mean because those areas in benin was never ruled by the oba, or because the britsh influence wasnt felt in somepart of nigeria does it now mean britsh political control didnt stretched to them...

Common sense bro.. Tribalism won't let you all think outside the box...


The truth is benin was the king of southern Nigeria.... Take tribalism away and you will see it, benin conquered for economic benefit those areas benin never touched was because they never saw reasons to invade it, lagos wouldn't have been invaded if the benin were never interested for the econmic benefit of lagos Island


The more you read the more you will know benin ruled the entire southern Nigeria directly and indirectly

Benin defeated oyo in a war, but didn't besieged it.. Because they never saw economic benefit to, benin outran igalas but never besieged it, those areas benin settled was for a purpose and wasnt for no reason...

"The more you read, the more you know Benin closed in on southern Nigeria". No truer words have been said bro, No truer words.

TAO11:
(1) Did some Eastern-Yoruba towns embattle Benin kingdom at some point in the course of history?? YES!

Hence, this means that Benin kingdom once ”ruled” some Eastern Yoruba towns?? Absolute crap!


(2) Did Ogedengbe (from Ilesha) or Aje (from Ibadan) ravage & sack different regions of Benin kingdom at some point in the course of history?? YES!

Hence, this means that Ogedengbe (of Ilesha) or Aje (of Ibadan) once “ruled” Benin kingdom [or parts of it] as its emperor??

I would let my Benin rags answer this one.
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You Binis are a laughing stock.

Cc: lifeisgood12, rhektor

Embattled? Are you serious? You call such carnage, destruction and total subjugation of your people embattled?

So what would you say about Benin/Ijebu relationship as recorded in Yoruba history book by Samuel Johnson.

The historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep.

The Fulani are apprentices and learners compared to the total Benin domination and subjugation of the pre colonial Nigeria space for more than 500 years. The Fulani are yet to scratch the surface of Benin achievements in her over 500 years lordship of pre colonial Nigeria.

I have consistently say it that Benin have no mate in Nigeria when it comes to history. Ancient Benin history is on the same level as ancient Greek, Rome and Egypt.

Instead of TAO11 to hide her people and their history, she continue to drag them out for humiliation by the Benin who are armed to the teeth with pre colonial historical records. Imagine bragging about Ogedegbe who was on the same level of criminality as Lawrence Anini.

UGBE634:
"Overview of 19th Century Wars and Turbulence on Ado-Ekiti:
No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions… The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.
Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.
The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…
Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’. This is not embattled, this is total defeat, tell this history too, where come remain for the Ekiti and Ondo. Uromi Oye!!!! EDORODION!!!! I go die oo!!! I go die oo!!!!!!EDO!!!!! EDO!!!!!! Iye o!!!!! Iye oo!!!!Kai!!!

Chai.. the Yorubas will wish this was their own history of conquest but unfortunately it is their history of massive defeat and subjugation by a mightier tribe, the EDOS..
My ancestors did well.. Proudly EDO

samuk:
[s]Embattled? Are you serious? You call such carnage, destruction and total subjugation of your people embattled?[/s]

Yes, the very same type of “embattled” that Benin kingdom endured when Ogedengbe visited Benin kingdom with carnage, destruction, subjugation, & humiliation.

The humiliation of Benin kingdom by Ogedengbe was so bad that the oba of Benin had to placate Ogedengbe with many gifts, money, women, etc. so he doesn’t proceed further south towards the palace.

In Ogedengbe’s own harsh words, he is reported to have said [translation]:

“It is just as I thought it would be. The city of Benin whimpers like a child. Hear my drums, for they speak only what is true. The drums say, 'Now it is Benin's turn.' Return to the city and tell your Oba what I have said.”

[s]So what would you say about Benin/Ijebu relationship as recorded in Yoruba history book by Samuel Johnson.

The historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep.[/s]

LMAO! Benin laughing stocks like you crack me up every time.

When you all get humiliated on one subject, you all quietly (and cunningly) flee to another subject for a consolation — only to get humiliated again.

(1) First of all, you’ve raised this subject before on one of your moments of humiliation last year. See link below for a gentle reminder:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/10#96369419

(2) My comment in reaction to your delusion may be seen in my mention to gomojam as in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/10#96373900

(3) You came back with a counter-reply, struggling to get your head above water level — gasping for breath — as in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/10#96374835

(4) I then returned, to rubbish your best struggle, with the final nail in your coffin as in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/10#96374887

In other words, all I can say now is that you’ve already been humiliated on this.

[s]The Fulani are apprentices and learners compared to the total Benin domination and subjugation of the pre colonial Nigeria space for more than 500 years. The Fulani are yet to scratch the surface of Benin achievements in her over 500 years lordship of pre colonial Nigeria.

I have consistently say it that Benin have no mate in Nigeria when it comes to history. Ancient Benin history is on the same level as ancient Greek, Rome and Egypt.

Instead of TAO11 to hide her people and their history, she continue to drag them out for humiliation by the Benin who are armed to the teeth with pre colonial historical records. Imagine bragging about Ogedegbe who was on the same level of criminality as Lawrence Anini.[/s]

This ‘delusions of grandeur’ again sha — more like oba of Benin ruled/owned the land from his palace all the way to Japan. Your people say this literally.

Since I’m here to educate folks, please note that your Benin kingdom comprises of Benin city and the Edoid areas surrounding it. Shikena!

Benin kingdom cannot appear in the same sentence with Greek, Rome, and Egypt, and I say this in a very literal sense.

For instance, the quotation below (from an academic, expert, and professional Art Historian) shows IFE on the same level as Greek, Rome Egypt.


“[The Ife sculptures] would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer”.

~ Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.

No such thing is recorded for Benin. Show me one:

Lastly, my point on Ogendegbe (from Ilesha) and Aje (from Ibadan) is to make you realize that the mere fact that these Yoruba sub-groups ravaged & sacked Benin kingdom (or parts of it) is not one and the same thing as the fact that they ruled Benin kingdom (or parts of it).

Just in the same sense that the mere fact that Benin kingdom once attacked some Yoruba communities on the Eastern frontier [with Benin recording important casualties on some occasions (e.g. Iken, et al.), as well as recording outright loss on some occasions] is not one and the same thing as the fact that they ruled those communities.

It takes a very strong sense of inferiority complex for a Benin person to equate those attacks to mean one and the same thing as ruling those communities.

And I wonder why Benin kingdom didn’t later dare to wage war against Ilesha (or Ogedengbe himself), or wage war against Ibadan (or Aje himself) after each had sacked (parts of) Benin kingdom at different times.

You may also refer to the attachment below from page 408 of H.N. Feinberg’s “Review” of Ryder’s “Benin and the Europeans 1485–1897”.

Cheers!
Cc: lifeisgood12, rhektor