AlexBells:

Now we can talk on this, South West used to be a part of Nigeria so there are things you guys have gotten accustomed to being in Nigeria and your monarch has gotten used to being weaker, the point remains that a pure parliament system can work for the Igbos but not the Yorubas.

Your kings are used to commanding an army traditionally and give these kings an inch and they will take a mile, Western Nigeria Republic will evolve to be more like a federation yet will call it a confederation.

Look these Yoruba kings are exceptionally powerful and if there is no constitution to strip them off some powers they can turn the parliament to power struggle, and Yoruba tradition is more sophisticated than that of England other UK kingdom, the British monarch can only be admired, adored and respected. But Yorubas and most African monarchs are also feared especially in the bases of spiritual repercussions on disobedience.

So it is not wise for Yorubas to adopt a full blown parliament system becuase the monarchs will decide a lot on who gets to the parliament from their kingdom and controlling the parliament by a monarchs let's say the Ooni or Alafin will be easier than controlling the entire people especially in a voting scenario.

The best thing is not a parliamentary system for western Nigerian Republic, a president or prime minister with more individual power is the thing that can absorb the power shock from your powerful kings, and if it fails and your kings begin to keep their army as it used to be, there lies much danger and with a parliament system it is very easy to do since the parliament itself is absolute.

So an Oba or groups of Oba can sponsor Bill's to make them return their army ofcourse that's what it used to be but only a well thought constitution can make that avoidable.

Bro just sit back and relax all these agitation give us Igbos Biafra or Yorubas Oduduwa and you shall find another 50 years chaos in these territories at which time people like us will just sit back and laugh again getting it right for a country is not simple that's why this trying time in Nigeria is expected.

I’m not disputing that in any political structure there will always be a tussle for power amongst the players. I think we have both agreed that SW will likely adopt a system with significant resemblance of the textbook parliamentary form. This answers to the political system that will be prevalent.

I asked a question on the type of economic system that will be adopted. Kindly answer!

lionshare:


I’m not disputing that in any political structure there will always be a tussle for power amongst the players. I think we have both agreed that SW will likely adopt a system with significant resemblance of the textbook parliamentary form. This answers to the political system that will be prevalent.

I asked a question on the type of economic system that will be adopted. Kindly answer!

The future of South West economy for now is uncertain, first you will need a figure like the Sterlin of Russia a hard and revolutionary leader, of all the region south west has bigger job to do to get it right thankfully enough you have food that your populace can eat while the exceptional talents concentrate on solving the problem.

First you need to put China out of your borders by decongestion of Lagos of Igbos, this I believe should be through a memorandum of understanding with the Igbo country and you will have to forgo Lagos for good, by closing down lagos port and building a new port in Ondo.

Closing lagos port will have a riple effect and you will still need to barn some imports but that will put your economy and society into so much pressure it is expected.

Why open the ports in Ondo or Itsekiri, Ondo and Itsekiri will be the closest western port to the Igbos, the Igbos having a separate country which I doubt will not be Biafra that we know will have sea access but not enough for our import and export needs, we will make some western ports a port of call towards AlaIgbo abd there shall be joint initiatives in policing the waters.

This joint initiative will create a semblance of west African union closer to European union.

With Lagos put of the picture as an economic power but just a luxury state for the super rich, Ondo and Ibadan will pick up only then can you decide your type of economy, currently your economy is that of communist China.

You think Igbos are your problem but China is, it is only few countries that can overcome the temptation of China and there are willing Igbo traders available to be used by China.

I believe Igbo country will even readily work with you in decongestion of Lagos as far as you will import our finished goods and we import your food, other forms of both civilisation can thrive individually

BosseJ:
This thread has inferiority complex written all over it. Foolish comparison based on an equally foolish generalization.

Why can't you counter his opinion through facts than insulting him? Let us not insult people who try to present their opinion,work on yourself if you cannot reason or deliberate with people, is a sign of inferiority complex.

AlexBells:

The future of South West economy for now is uncertain, first you will need a figure like the Sterlin of Russia a hard and revolutionary leader, of all the region south west has bigger job to do to get it right thankfully enough you have food that your populace can eat while the exceptional talents concentrate on solving the problem.

First you need to put China out of your borders by decongestion of Lagos of Igbos, this I believe should be through a memorandum of understanding with the Igbo country and you will have to forgo Lagos for good, by closing down lagos port and building a new port in Ondo.

Closing lagos port will have a riple effect and you will still need to barn some imports but that will put your economy and society into so much pressure it is expected.

Why open the ports in Ondo or Itsekiri, Ondo and Itsekiri will be the closest western port to the Igbos, the Igbos having a separate country which I doubt will not be Biafra that we know will have sea access but not enough for our import and export needs, we will make some western ports a port of call towards AlaIgbo abd there shall be joint initiatives in policing the waters.

This joint initiative will create a semblance of west African union closer to European union.

With Lagos put of the picture as an economic power but just a luxury state for the super rich, Ondo and Ibadan will pick up only then can you decide your type of economy, currently your economy is that of communist China.

You think Igbos are your problem but China is, it is only few countries that can overcome the temptation of China and there are willing Igbo traders available to be used by China.

I believe Igbo country will even readily work with you in decongestion of Lagos as far as you will import our finished goods and we import your food, other forms of both civilisation can thrive individually

Can I infer from the above that you agree that SW economic system will be more of socialism than capitalism?

AlexBells:
Disclaimer, I am Igbo but this observation is not about any tribal jab, it is just my observation and was not intended to put either great African tribe at a bad light nor preferential light it just goes to show how our society are structured.

1. I found out that Yorubas prioritise personal development to team development while Igbos prioritise teamwork to personal development, this I have been able to deduce is practically as a result of both tribes basic principles, while the Igbos are Republicans, the Yorubas on the other hand are a traditional Monarchy, this means that the personal development of the Obas as a capable leader of the Yorubas has psychological and sociological impact on the entire environment, most people are inspired maybe subconsciously from Childhood to look up to the Oba, to the queen and more and so personal development thrive but the Igbos on the other hand being Republicans most inspiration springs up from working as a collective body of varying importance this claim is further supported by the following events, Igbos thrives in sports like football, Basketball, while Yorubas thrives in sports like Kickboxing, wrestling etc, it does not however mean that there are no Yorubas or Igbos thriving on team sports or Personal sports.

2. Politics: The Yorubas thrive on personal development while the Igbos thrives on teamwork this have its downsides and upside becuase when in politics there are times when individual personality counts when at other times teamwork could be prioritised, that's why Yorubas produce politicians like Tinubu, Awolowo, Akintola while Igbos produce a network of weaker politicians with strength as a single voting block that's why the Igbos produced NCNC, APGA etc.

3. Movie and Music: It is an open secret that Igbos edge out a little in the area of movies while Yorubas edge out just another little in the area of music, you can bear Me witness that movie is about teamwork while music is more about personal development.

4. The business approach: The Igbos thrives in business as a network however Yorubas thrives in business on personal development, that's why it is possible to find more Yorubas on the richest men scale but the Igbos having more per capita rich people scale, this however could impact the future of riches though I don't know in whose favour it will all swing, because as we talk the Igbos are learning personal development while the Yorubas are upping their teamwork capacity.


The Future of Nigeria will only get interesting shall we get things right a Nigeria where the two great tribes and other tribes can inspire themselves to evolve better.

Your competition mindset towards Yoruba makes you put the two most competitive tribes together...always having the mentality that all other tribes should be under them in all things. No society grows that way.
We have 3 major ethnic groups and 256 ethnic groups in Nigeria....you could have expanded your write-up and write generally about the advantages or strengths of three major ethnics
group ....but an average Igbo person always has the mindset of competing with Yoruba people since 1957 till date...not until we see ourselves as Nigerian and one big nation....our difference and competitive mindset will keep giving us a setback over national issues...

I cum in peace...

Oracleforce:


Your competition mindset towards Yoruba makes you put the two most competitive tribes together...always having the mentality that all other tribes should be under them in all things. No society grows that way.
We have 3 major ethnic groups and 256 ethnic groups in Nigeria....you could have expanded your write-up and write generally about the advantages or strengths of three major ethnics
group ....but an average Igbo person always has the mindset of competing with Yoruba people since 1957 till date...not until we see ourselves as Nigerian and one big nation....our difference and competitive mindset will keep giving us a setback over national issues...

I cum in peace...

I'm a young politician, of all the 300 and so ethnic group in Nigeria only the Igbos and Yorubas are currently vehement in their agitation to leave Nigeria, I don't support secession but I can't reject the right of the people to seek to control their destiny, it will be a waste of time for me to think of Romancing with the North in a situation of post Nigeria, the North has no option they must eventually work with the Igbos but building a friendly relationship with Yorubas is quite important.

I hope to be influential in Nigeria and in Biafra and in Igbo Republic, you know the people really threatening the Nigerian state is the Igbo and Yorubas so in a bid to retain Nigeria it is better to Exploit either the rivalry between the Igbos and Yorubas or Exploit friendships between the two.

The simple logic is if the Igbos and Yoruba wish to continue our rivalry then we should all stay in Nigeria also if we want to continue our friendship we should still stay in Nigeria otherwise Nigeria breaks and I still fancy a diplomatic Relationship with the Yorubas

I'm still experimenting to know whether friendship or healthy rivalry works better, if you read well my last paragraph you should know that I care about all of Nigeria.

lionshare:


Can I infer from the above that you agree that SW economic system will be more of socialism than capitalism?

The greatest mistake South west made was running a socialist system in a capitalist Nigeria that's what stalled development in South West and you can attest to the fact that Lagos the most viable state in Nigeria and west is a capitalist economy.

I kept telling my Yoruba friends that Awolowo made a very great mistake, by instituting free education in the west and other free pecs, look resources are scarce and when you make education free you only mortgage the future.

Education materials are costly, teachers are expensive to keep and the resources is in the hands of the state, I know then it was western Nigeria and Later it could be western Nigerian Republic but the west does not have enough sophistication yet to run a socialist economy. Look at Russia, China is a pretender to be a communist state.

If you look very well, western Nigeria states have the highest debts in Southern Nigeria this grossly as a result of this socialist outlook to life and in a bid to make life a lot free citizens becomes too entitled.

Socialism is the hight of Succesful capitalism, it is a stage, you don't just jump to socialism if you do so at the long run you will be forced to jump back at capitalism and the circle continues, although countries like Luxembourg is not a socialist state their level of advancement makes available socialist atmosphere.

South West country or as a part of Nigeria should aspire for Capitalism maybe for the next 50 years, you don't just be a socialist country when you don't even have the capacity to produce shoes for up to 40% of your population, or you think the world is an extension of your socialist domain

OutOfContext:

Igbos accommodating yorubase in nollywood Is this a joke

It is not a joke, Nollywood is our own, your own movie industry has a name, we had always been accommodating with Nollywood, Remember Omotola, Remeber Desmond Elliot now funke Akindele, we are nationalistic in approaches, even stars like Iniedo, Messi Johnson who are not Igbos were always accommodated

AlexBells:

The greatest mistake South west made was running a socialist system in a capitalist Nigeria that's what stalled development in South West and you can attest to the fact that Lagos the most viable state in Nigeria and west is a capitalist economy.

I kept telling my Yoruba friends that Awolowo made a very great mistake, by instituting free education in the west and other free pecs, look resources are scarce and when you make education free you only mortgage the future.

Education materials are costly, teachers are expensive to keep and the resources is in the hands of the state, I know then it was western Nigeria and Later it could be western Nigerian Republic but the west does not have enough sophistication yet to run a socialist economy. Look at Russia, China is a pretender to be a communist state.

If you look very well, western Nigeria states have the highest debts in Southern Nigeria this grossly as a result of this socialist outlook to life and in a bid to make life a lot free citizens becomes too entitled.

Socialism is the hight of Succesful capitalism, it is a stage, you don't just jump to socialism if you do so at the long run you will be forced to jump back at capitalism and the circle continues, although countries like Luxembourg is not a socialist state their level of advancement makes available socialist atmosphere.

South West country or as a part of Nigeria should aspire for Capitalism maybe for the next 50 years, you don't just be a socialist country when you don't even have the capacity to produce shoes for up to 40% of your population, or you think the world is an extension of your socialist domain

From our interactions so far you have agreed that the SW region if it becomes a country will likely practice a parliamentary system of government & also have a socialist economic system.

This implies that your initial assertion of individualism is invalid logically. Therefore I can put to you that from antecedents the SW is more team-oriented than any other group in Nigeria.

Ideally the best of us should lead the rest of us. Only individuals who’ve proven their mettle should be trusted with the responsibility of taking decisions for the collective. The SW has shown times and times over that it’s puts the interests of the group above that of individuals and this ideology is what creates its political & economic systems.

lionshare:



From our interactions so far you have agreed that the SW region if it becomes a country will likely practice a parliamentary system of government & also have a socialist economic system.

This implies that your initial assertion of individualism is invalid logically. Therefore I can put to you that from antecedents the SW is more team-oriented than any other group in Nigeria.

Ideally the best of us should lead the rest of us. Only individuals who’ve proven their mettle should be trusted with the responsibility of taking decisions for the collective. The SW has shown times and times over that it’s puts the interests of the group above that of individuals and this ideology is what creates its political & economic systems.

You keep putting words into my mouth, I never said South west shall be a parliamentary, i said south west shall be a unitary confederation with a constitution.

I also said you will assume that a socialist economy is the best for you until you practice it and swim in debt.

I said for a start there shall be much expected chaos and the first 50 years of statehood post Nigeria outht to be experimental.

So I don't know where you are picking your conclusion from, you are on the same school of thought of the people who has a certain outlook of their euphoric country like my fellow Igbos who pays little attention to pragmatism but believes and approach Biafra on the ground that Biafra will be a miracle.

AlexBells:

You keep putting words into my mouth, I never said South west shall be a parliamentary, i said south west shall be a unitary confederation with a constitution.

I also said you will assume that a socialist economy is the best for you until you practice it and swim in debt.

I said for a start there shall be much expected chaos and the first 50 years of statehood post Nigeria outht to be experimental.

So I don't know where you are picking your conclusion from, you are on the same school of thought of the people who has a certain outlook of their euphoric country like my fellow Igbos who pays little attention to pragmatism but believes and approach Biafra on the ground that Biafra will be a miracle.

I am not putting words in your mouth. Its a fact that from SW antecedents they are likely to be parliamentarian & socialist in both political & economic systems. Therefore any group that have such antecedents cannot be said to be individualistic....I hope you get my narrative now. YOUR assertion of individualism is WRONG.

As for my personal opinion of the fate of a SW republic! I think the discourse here is not about that, I have not opined any personal opinion thus far and I do not intend to. My goal is simply to correct your assertion on individualism.

lionshare:


I am not putting words in your mouth. Its a fact that from SW antecedents they are likely to be parliamentarian & socialist in both political & economic systems. Therefore any group that have such antecedents cannot be said to be individualistic....I hope you get my narrative now. YOUR assertion of individualism is WRONG.

As for my personal opinion of the fate of a SW republic! I think the discourse here is not about that, I have not opined any personal opinion thus far and I do not intend to. My goal is simply to correct your assertion on individualism.

Your assumptions while I respect it is not factual, south west is a traditional monarchy of multi kingdoms, approaching the aspect of a Mordern state is different, by tradition you are not a parliamentary people you are a monarchy, you can only think of the government system that can work given your history and in this case a parliamentary system can not work in Yorubaland you might think it should, well I don't think it can work whether by theory or practice.

First is the Ooni of Ife going to be head of State?, then you elect someone else to be the head of government, instead of that I would think the current state in the country shall be abolished and traditional kingdoms take over as states, where these kings can handle state police while the central structure handles the army, I can't really see a situation whereby the Ooni of Ife shall be the head of state while every other traditional rulers cede their authority to him that's how UK works.

Chill there are many reality that will unfold as these whole separation roots you will see many power shift and ideological shift dont think becuase Yorubas monarch are docile in big and complex Nigeria will mean they will remain docile in a smaller and homogenous Oduduwa Republic, the powers of these monarchs must be cut or you go the way of true monarchy.

Just don't shape the Republic now, evolve and be free first, even the temperaments of an average yoruba will change once you leave Nigeria to your own country you will become more responsible

lionshare:


I’m not disputing that in any political structure there will always be a tussle for power amongst the players. I think we have both agreed that SW will likely adopt a system with significant resemblance of the textbook parliamentary form. This answers to the political system that will be prevalent.

I asked a question on the type of economic system that will be adopted. Kindly answer!

stop arguing with him
He thrives on arguing trash with Yoruba on nairaland
Check his topics

kingawothefirst:


You’ve obviously never heard of the electoral college. I need to get paid for this, I’ve been schooling you for 24 hrs straight, but still you remain a stubborn student

Your thread title is wrong, your assertion is wrong, your conclusion is wrong and you have been corrected too many times by the omoluabis in this thread and your fellow Ndi Igbo brothers, do we have to bring out koboko to beat sense into you

I followed this thread up to the last page but the OP is just too ignorant, thanks for schooling him else he sees himself as a brilliant chap

AlexBells:

Your assumptions while I respect it is not factual, south west is a traditional monarchy of multi kingdoms, approaching the aspect of a Mordern state is different, by tradition you are not a parliamentary people you are a monarchy, you can only think of the government system that can work given your history and in this case a parliamentary system can not work in Yorubaland you might think it should, well I don't think it can work whether by theory or practice.

First is the Ooni of Ife going to be head of State?, then you elect someone else to be the head of government, instead of that I would think the current state in the country shall be abolished and traditional kingdoms take over as states, where these kings can handle state police while the central structure handles the army, I can't really see a situation whereby the Ooni of Ife shall be the head of state while every other traditional rulers cede their authority to him that's how UK works.

Chill there are many reality that will unfold as these whole separation roots you will see many power shift and ideological shift dont think becuase Yorubas monarch are docile in big and complex Nigeria will mean they will remain docile in a smaller and homogenous Oduduwa Republic, the powers of these monarchs must be cut or you go the way of true monarchy.

Just don't shape the Republic now, evolve and be free first, even the temperaments of an average yoruba will change once you leave Nigeria to your own country you will become more responsible

Sincerely, thanks for the back and forth I’ll have to end it here as it appears you cannot stay on the topic unless you drive it to pander your obvious interests which I respect.

goziem1982:

Why can't you counter his opinion through facts than insulting him? Let us not insult people who try to present their opinion,work on yourself if you cannot reason or deliberate with people, is a sign of inferiority complex.

which fact are you talking about on this thread, everything the op penned down where 'ascertions, conjectures and mere opinions', or did you see him put references or statistics gotten from peer reviewed journals on any of his posts ?

lionshare:


Sincerely, thanks for the back and forth I’ll have to end it here as it appears you cannot stay on the topic unless you drive it to pander your obvious interests which I respect.

I also respect your Submission, I agree with you maybe we should stop here as we are obviously not qualified enough to postulate the future if we can't even be correct enough about the past, however I learnt through the talks. Thanks for your time and Submissions

Aphrygian:
I followed this thread up to the last page but the OP is just too ignorant, thanks for schooling him else he sees himself as a brilliant chap

Really, you mean by submitting improbable reality like telling me the electoral college is about a team and telling how the president of the united states is actually a team lol, better don't give these sorts of people a right to vote in your Republic, you guys are not at all good in forecasting if not Buhari could have been the best thing that happened before sliced bread

theFilmtric:
stop arguing with him
He thrives on arguing trash with Yoruba on nairaland
Check his topics

What about the part packaged failure in your usual lies paraded as fact and sold a man reputable as a failure since as far back as 1984 to Nigerians and now you want us to believe that your facts are factual

Aphrygian:
I followed this thread up to the last page but the OP is just too ignorant, thanks for schooling him else he sees himself as a brilliant chap

We know his type, it’s only koboko that will make abc register in his brain. He will learn don’t worry.

AlexBells:

Really, you mean by submitting improbable reality like telling me the electoral college is about a team and telling how the president of the united states is actually a team lol, better don't give these sorts of people a right to vote in your Republic, you guys are not at all good in forecasting if not Buhari could have been the best thing that happened before sliced bread

oga I am not like the person I quoted; I will not waste my time to be going back and forth with you. he only used the case of the US presidential election to buttress his earlier listed points when you couldn't comprehend them or you were trying to dance your way around them, it was not like that was the first point he gave you....... No be only you Sabi use semantics.
See you Igbos are far away from anything that can be portrayed as TEAM ORIENTED, if INDIVIDUALISTIC was a BRAND you guys will be the FACE

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AlexBells:

What about the part packaged failure in your usual lies paraded as fact and sold a man reputable as a failure since as far back as 1984 to Nigerians and now you want us to believe that your facts are factual

Aphrygian:
oga I am not like the person I quoted I will not waste my time to be going back and forth with you, he only used the case of the US presidential election to buttress is earlier listed points when you couldn't comprehend them, it was not like that was the first point he gave you....... No be only you Sabi use semantics

Oh, I see lol, contradictory claims at it's best, first you said you are not like the person you wouted and yet you went ahead to be like him and still claim you won't waste your time yet wasted your time to write an epistle, when will you be straight forward lol.

kingawothefirst:


We know his type, it’s only koboko that will make abc register in his brain. He will learn don’t worry.

You think the East is same as the west where they have to entice you with free education for you to be able to learn, lol bringing western style forced learning to Eastern style voluntary learning together is laughable lol, that's why you make arguments that is just your wild imagination lol but I gat ya time, we that are sitting at home lol

AlexBells:

You think the East is same as the west where they have to entice you with free education for you to be able to learn, lol bringing western style forced learning to Eastern style voluntary learning together is laughable lol, that's why you make arguments that is just your wild imagination lol but I get ya time

We taught you how to read and write in your language, we will teach you how to be civilised and sophisticated like us Don’t worry you will learn your abcs whether you like it or not since you want to be like us so bad.

kingawothefirst:


We taught you how to read and write in your language, we will teach you how to be civilised and sophisticated like us Don’t worry you will learn your abcs whether you like it or not since you want to be like us so bad.

Heyyaaa see me see Argument, I didn't know that reading and writing was part of what Oduduwa fell down from heaven with, it is called western Education not Oduduwa Education, even today there are Igbos teaching in western schools just as there are Igbo books that Oduduwans read, lol so it doesn't matter whether you wrote the first book or not, lol how market today na

AlexBells:

Heyyaaa see me see Argument, I didn't know that reading and writing was part of what Oduduwa fell down from heaven with, it is called western Education not Oduduwa Education, even today there are Igbos teaching in western schools just as there are Igbo books that Oduduwans read, lol so it doesn't matter whether you wrote the first book or not, lol how market today na

I have schooled you all day and I will continue to school you don’t worry. You will learn to be civilised.

Brave insight here but some people want move it to mayopic tribe war here AlexBells good one

kingawothefirst:


I have schooled you all day and I will continue to school you don’t worry. You will learn to be civilised.

You are arguing with someone and by your own self you had called it schooling, by virtue of what, by virtue of your argument which by yourself you had assumed superior, prove in real sense any validity before thinking you got a superior argument, lol, by the time we had a university you only had a branch of a British college lol, talking to the people who had the first accredited university in the country about education is just somehow lol.

heniford2:
Brave insight here but some people want move it to mayopic tribe war here AlexBells good one

You tribal bigots will learn today. I, as a proud Omoluabi will continue to school you, don’t worry. You will learn your abcs, you will learn history, you will also learn the concept of teamwork

kingawothefirst:


You tribal bigots will learn today. I, as a proud Omoluabi will continue to school you, don’t worry. You will learn your abcs, you will learn history, you will also learn the concept of teamwork

Your shame will be shaming real Omoluabi, instead of accepting your nature and working for your proffered dominant personality you are here embarrassing yourself in a bid to be right just point out real life Yoruba scenario that prides teamwork more than individual development,