Skimpledawg:

Omo, you don backslide o. You cannot tell me otherwise

Make Citadel lose steam small abeg. Airmark offend me

NinjaMetahuman:
Wrong.

Most games Liverpool lost last season after VVd left, they either got outplayed or have same goal attempt stat.
It's not like liverpool had 10 shot on goal and failed to score while opponent had just 1 and score.

Holding more possession doesn't mean they are attacking. It could just be defenders and midfielders passing at the back and middle.
Go and look at each game stats again.
Either they have same shot on goal as opponent or opponent had more.
Sometimes when you hold most of the ball, it looks like you are the one playing which is wrong. Sarriball should have thought a lot of people that.

Besides, liverpool didn't start playing teams that parked the bus last season.
They played teams and they cracked a lot of teams that parked the bus when the two back wingers were firing.

Ask yourself, why did Liverpool attack suddenly became toothless when then wing backs are not supplying the assists or dictate games?

Almost 3 seasons in a row that Liverpool had their back 3-4 intact, they won everything and attackers were churning out goals but one season the defenders had problem, suddenly the attack became toothless.

Is that coincidence or magic?

When you are playing against a team that sits back, you pass around looking for opening to break through. Naturally you will get a large chunk of possession. The reason why shot on target will look similar is because the defending team won't even allow you shoot towards their goal and any counter attack they push will most definitely result in shit on target for them because all your players are high up the pitch attacking.

Now tell me, where is TAA and Robertson positioned when Liverpool is "passing around" like you put it? Are they behind with the 'keeper because VVD is not around?

Check my reply to airmark and see TAA and Robertson numbers AFTER VVD...

raumdeuter:


Correct compilation but I think Henry was the best of them

Kane could have been if he had left Spurs 3-4yrs ago

See the defender who taught Vidic Stam and Maldini

Bbbut egbon Dayo. Make we no, lie make we no tiff. Isn’t VVD’s defending in this clip (going in for the tackle with acres of space behind instead of moving back and tracking the striker’s movement) the ideal way to defend according to the gospel of Sir Boatank that you’ve been preaching since 19orogbo?

TheLequte:


Bbbut egbon Dayo. Make we no, lie make we no tiff. Isn’t VVD’s defending in this clip (going in for the tackle with acres of space behind instead of moving back and tracking the striker’s movement) the ideal way to defend according to the gospel of Sir Boatank that you’ve been preaching since 19orogbo?

It has to do with competence, Ronaldo shoots, Morata shoots, Werner shoot, Messi shoots. How come some are known for scoring and some for missing chances

So you see a chance and say every normal striker suppose shoot first, Werner and Morata do that and they still miss, Does it mean that they did the wrong thing or they did the right thing wrong?

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raumdeuter:


It has to do with competence, Ronaldo shoots, Morata shoots, Werner shoot, Messi shoots. How come some are known for scoring and some for missing chances

So you see a chance and say every normal striker suppose shoot first, Werner and Morata do that and they still miss, Does it mean that they did the wrong thing or they did the right thing wrong?

How does this correlate with lunging into tackles vs cautiously tracking strikers?

I’m serious. Not trolling.

TheLequte:


How does this correlate with lunging into tackles vs cautiously tracking strikers?

I’m serious. Not trolling.

Going into such tackle is the right thing not running away from it. VVD execution was terrible doesnt make it the wrong thing to do

Just like A striker shooting immediately might be the right thing but Morata/Werner execution being terrible doesnt make it the wrong thing to do

Match day.

Wish you all the best boys. Let the trophy haul continue...

KTBFFH!

raumdeuter:


Correct compilation but I think Henry was the best of them

Kane could have been if he had left Spurs 3-4yrs ago

See the defender who taught Vidic Stam and Maldini

Oh boy e!
See as VVD lago epon.

afrodoc2:



Oh boy e!
See as VVD lago epon.

Could this be the Alagolo only that he doesnt have a treble nor world cup

TheLequte:


Make Citadel lose steam small abeg. Airmark offend me

As things are now, airmark gats pay some sacrifice to the Prayer team

Jodera2:
Lol.. I tell you oo
I bin give talk for my thread concerning my team arsenal on Sunday, Patrick.muf brought an opposing view.
When I tried quoting Patrick.muf to reply me, dem ban me. Tried with this moniker, dem ban am too

Tried it on Monday again (after the elapse of the ban), as I quote am again, dem ban d 2 monikers again.

Tried it again ysydy(all with different wordings oo). As dem ban my main moniker again, omo I just free Patrick.muf quote oo

This must be juju

timbros:


When you are playing against a team that sits back, you pass around looking for opening to break through. Naturally you will get a large chunk of possession. The reason why shot on target will look similar is because the defending team won't even allow you shoot towards their goal and any counter attack they push will most definitely result in shit on target for them because all your players are high up the pitch attacking.

Now tell me, where is TAA and Robertson positioned when Liverpool is "passing around" like you put it? Are they behind with the 'keeper because VVD is not around?

Check my reply to airmark and see TAA and Robertson numbers AFTER VVD...

you painted a picture of liverpool dominating games but lost to one short on target which I corrected.

Their game against mancity that they lost 4-1, they had more possession but mancity had more shots off goal and on goal.

Would you say they were trying to break mancity By passing around?

And I said having more position could just mean defenders and midfielders passing to each other. Emphasis on could.

raumdeuter:


The defenders having problems is not the same as VVD having problems

With VVD last season How many games did Liverpool play and how many goals did they concede

Without VVD last season how many games did Liverpool play and how many goals did they concede

lol that means you have not been following the argument from the beginning .

raumdeuter:


Could this be the Alagolo only that he doesnt have a treble nor world cup

O boy! The guy lose guard there mehn.

raumdeuter:


Going into such tackle is the right thing not running away from it. VVD execution was terrible doesnt make it the wrong thing to do

Just like A striker shooting immediately might be the right thing but Morata/Werner execution being terrible doesnt make it the wrong thing to do

Actually you’re right about that. VVD’s timing in that clip was wrong.

At the same time there are situations where your best bet is to keep the striker at arm’s length. You lunge, you get dribbled and you concede. You delay, other defenders mop the danger away.

And in this same situation, if VVD has kept Kane at arm’s length, he’d have prevented that goal because Kane, in trying to get rid of him or get a chance to shoot, would have to slow down and the other defenders would’ve dispossessed him.

The koko? Executing an idea the right way is very important.

I think VVD is still a very good defender, although I won’t say he’s the best ever.

Skimpledawg:

As things are now, airmark gats pay some sacrifice to the Prayer team

BlueAngel444:
If Tuchel can get sacked and still win the champions league
Poch get sacked and is now coaching Messi

This year is not over for you yet, things may just turn around

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NinjaMetahuman:
you painted a picture of liverpool dominating games but lost to one short on target which I corrected.

Their game against mancity that they lost 4-1, they had more possession but mancity had more shots off goal and on goal.

Would you say they were trying to break mancity By passing around?

And I said having more position could just mean defenders and midfielders passing to each other. Emphasis on could.

Let's try not to digress.

I specifically mentioned matches Liverpool lost 1-0 to "lesser" teams. They had a large chunk of possession.

Where was TAA and Robertson positioned averagely in such matches? Do they sit back in their own half of the pitch because VVD is not around? Also, was it VVD's absence that made them lose those games 1-0 to Burnley, Brighton, Fulham, Everton (2-0)? Did you see TAA and Robertson outputs AFTER VVD got injured? Honest answers to these questions will tell you exactly what was Liverpool's problem last season.

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MorataFC:
we need a backup keeper, Afcon is on the way and Kepa can't be trusted. A four month work of Mendy can be ruined by shaky keeper within 4 weeks of his absence.

Well that's why they signed Bettinelli. Na him and Kepa get January.

timbros:


TAA had 2 goals and 7 assists last season in EPL. Only 1 assist came BEFORE VVD injury. After VVD, he registered 2 goals and 6 assists..... How did he get those stats since there is no VVD and he doesn't join attack anymore?

Robertson had 1 goal and 7 assists last season in EPL. Only 1 goal and 2 assists came before VVD injury (infact 1 assist is in the Everton game where VVD got the injury). After VVD, he registered 5 more assists.... How did he get those stats since there is no VVD and he doesn't join attack anymore?

I don't know where you or that person in the screen shot got the theory that Liverpool full backs donw attack because VVD is injured.

TAA still have attacking output in UCL sef that I won't bother to mention.

lol
So Robertson had 3-goal contributions is 5 games with VVd while Alex had 2.
then Roberson had 5-goal contributions and Alex had 6 in 33 games without VVd.

Is that correct? Oya Do the math and see which one is better based on trajectory.

TheLequte:


Actually you’re right about that. VVD’s timing in that clip was wrong.

At the same time there are situations where your best bet is to keep the striker at arm’s length. You lunge, you get dribbled and you concede. You delay, other defenders mop the danger away.

And in this same situation, if VVD has kept Kane at arm’s length, he’d have prevented that goal because Kane, in trying to get rid of him or get a chance to shoot, would have to slow down and the other defenders would’ve dispossessed him.

The koko? Executing an idea the right way is very important.

I think VVD is still a very good defender, although I won’t say he’s the best ever.

When you are the last man outside the box, best option is to engage sharply, Every attacker will try to get into the box quickly so that any contact becomes a penalty

In that clip the best thing will be to engage Kane and stop or foul him when he is still outside the box backing off means Kane will enter the box get closer to the keeper. The other defenders are already behind Kane so all things being equal will not catch up or have to tackle from behind and get a red

As a defender the aim is to quickly engage and resolve the issue before he gets closer to the keeper and enter the box which makes the danger more. The more you wait, the higher the danger

NinjaMetahuman:
lol
So Robertson had 3-goal contributions is 5 games with VVd while Alex had 2.
then Roberson had 5-goal contributions and Alex had 6 in 33 games without VVd.

Is that correct? Oya Do the math and see which one is better based on trajectory.

Will you do the Math of the goals conceded with VVD and the goals conceded without VVD to know how his impact affected Liverpool

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timbros:


Let's try not to digress.

I specifically mentioned matches Liverpool lost 1-0 to "lesser" teams. They had a large chunk of possession.

Where was TAA and Robertson positioned averagely in such matches? Do they sit back in their own half of the pitch because VVD is not around? Also, was it VVD's absence that made them lose those games 1-0 to Burnley, Brighton, Fulham, Everton (2-0)? Did you see TAA and Robertson outputs AFTER VVD got injured? Honest answers to these questions will tell you exactly what was Liverpool's problem last season.

You are the one digressing when the point is clear enough.

Already told you, the games Liverpool lost, they could have won if Alex and Robertson were at their best. They were not at their best because VVd was not at the back to give them confidence to go forward and join the attack.
And they could have drawn some of the games self if they didn't score. Also they will be less vulnerable to counter attack like 2 seasons ago..

I think You just want to extend the argument for some reason.
Me no get strength for long argument o.

VVd might not be the best for you, but you people should stop making it look like VVd is some insignificant defender or some gbegbe defender.

raumdeuter:


Will you do the Math of the goals conceded with VVD and the goals conceded without VVD to know how his impact affected Liverpool

Na Aston Villa cause am

Expecting the first team tonight to be similar to what we've seen in preseason, cos TT said most if the players who arrived late will not start.

That rules out Silva, Emerson, Mount, Jorginho, James and Chilwell. I'm not sure about Azpilicueta and Chris, and I don't know if TT will trust Trevor Chalobah. Rudiger and Zouma will definitely start.

Alonso and CHO as wingbacks, Kova and Kante in midfield.

Ziyech, Havertz and Werner will most likely lead the line - I'd personally start Pulisic over Werner cos Villarreal will likely build a moat in the defence, and Pulisic's dribbling ability will be useful in breaking them down.

NinjaMetahuman:
lol
So Robertson had 3-goal contributions is 5 games with VVd while Alex had 2.
then Roberson had 5-goal contributions and Alex had 6 in 33 games without VVd.

Is that correct? Oya Do the math and see which one is better based on trajectory.

Trajectory is not the issue here.

You said that after VVD injury, the full backs don't go forward again. Stats prove otherwise. They attack, and they score/assist.

I keep telling you that Liverpool attack became blunt. If you dig deep, you will probably see that those full backs create chances that the forwards fluff.

Does the full backs sit back after VVD injury? No. Stats prove otherwise.

NinjaMetahuman:

VVd might not be the best for you, but you people should stop making it look like VVd is some insignificant defender or some gbegbe defender.

Actually he is

If you can be conceding 7 to Aston Villa then you be gbegbe