Eviana:


It takes the power of Christ in order to stand steadfast in the Lord...and His Word....the truth.
The majority are afraid.... unfortunately.
I am definitely gonna research the other two people and see why they are so angry.

I came across the video of Pastor Okotie on another site and wanted to see how he would approach his claim.
I was impressed at how he explained and used scripture to address this situation.
Don't know this man from "Adam".
I also don't know a thing about the man's personal life....not even gonna think that he is a perfect person.
Clearly, I am reading the claims against him on this thread.
He appears "flawed" like 100 percent of us human beings....
His "flaws" , however, don't negate the truth of God's Word and how brilliantly he did it (in this subject)....of which you and I are in agreement.

Realhommie:
Agreed Okotie isn't perfect, just like everyone else. His imperfections and personal failings aside, you should take your time to see that video by him without any ounce of sentiment, it's about an hour and 15mins long.

Watch and listen with an open mind..

SURElee:



I'm not watching. Okotie should allow God be the judge abeg. I'm yet to see other religious clerics bash themselves openly like some clerics of ours do.

They are creating more division in the body. Can corrections be made without open bashings and judgements by the one who seems to understand better?


Any busy person in the vineyard after souls on the ministry of reconciliation wouldn't have so much time bashing one when alive and dead.

Realhommie:
I thought i was the only one. Honestly i was wowed by his intellect and knowledge, he was very eloquent and direct. His argument is spot on from a biblical/scriptural standpoint...

You counter people's opinion/argument with a superior argument and not by resorting to name calling or threat of physical harm. Look at the people coming out in defense of Joshua,, calling Okotie names, check their ministeries and personal lifestyles, they also have many baggages.

Until someone else comes up with a better/superior counter argument I'm tempted to want to agree with Chris Okotie on T.B Joshua..

SURElee:



I'm not watching. Okotie should allow God be the judge abeg. I'm yet to see other religious clerics bash themselves openly like some clerics of ours do.

They are creating more division in the body. Can corrections be made without open bashings and judgements by the one who seems to understand better?


Any busy person in the vineyard after souls on the ministry of reconciliation wouldn't have so much time bashing one when alive and dead.

Eviana:


It takes the power of Christ in order to stand steadfast in the Lord...and His Word....the truth.
The majority are afraid.... unfortunately.
I am definitely gonna research the other two people and see why they are so angry.

I came across the video of Pastor Okotie on another site and wanted to see how he would approach his claim.
I was impressed at how he explained and used scripture to address this situation.
Don't know this man from "Adam".
I also don't know a thing about the man's personal life....not even gonna think that he is a perfect person.
Clearly, I am reading the claims against him on this thread.
He appears "flawed" like 100 percent of us human beings....
His "flaws" , however, don't negate the truth of God's Word and how brilliantly he did it (in this subject)....of which you and I are in agreement.

IbnBattuta1960:

I sense you are either not of 9ja or you've been away for a long time.
9ja do not address issues. It's very evident. They will introduce sentiments rather than objective and critical response. Permit my digression. Your response touched me. I've not seen such in along time. Devoid of sentiment, critical, objective...
I added an opinion after the one you responded to. It's 100% in agreement with your thinking.

Realhommie:
Absolutely.. Unfortunately people will attack the messenger without as much as addressing the message..

As for the other 2 you want to research, you'd be surprised, Lol... No substance whatsoever, especially the one who wants to slap somebody for airing their opinion.... He's a charlatan who knows nothing, I mean not an ounce of God's word yet masquerading as a prophet. The sad thing is that he's got tons of followers.

PeaceJoyLove:

If you do not know Chris Okotie, then, you seem very young. One of his books in the 90s was a hit (best seller) in the Christian community in Nigeria. And if you dont know his history....lol...you are young.

Bro, I am not a fan of Joshua. Not at all....but there are some truths you dont say again after God has spoken.

Again, look at Nigeria....see, some people arent living in Nigeria but just opening mouth recklessly. They want us attack muslims and other religions. But is that how it's done? There are even more muslims all over Nigeria than Christians. So, we should force them? And be fighting them? The sar the Americans fought Afghnistan, where does it lead today? What about tje after effect of overthrowing Gaddaffi of Libya? All the yeye talk about Iran, what are the results?

When God is fighting, no need to fight his war. Who told you other Christians are afraid? If they ask you the proof, show us, where is your proof? And then, Chris that wants to show his proof, look at what he is getting. Lol.

When you understand the principles of spiritual warfare, you dont engage in casual talks. Do you think it is ordinary that Pastor Adeboye loses his son? You people dont know anything. That baba was attacked too. But God is God. Leave story. And Pastor Deboye ven sent a letter. I haven't read of Pastor Adeboye's letter before I started telling everyone to let it slide. God has won the battle, there is no need for any talk.

I am.not going to talk about the flaws of Chris Okotie too. But he is grounded in the word. That he teaches it well, does not mean he is perfect. The man is gifted. A very good law student. The likes of FFK knkws him well. And then, while he was in school then and still making good grades, he was a pop musician. One as popular as Davido and Wizkid are now. He was the tslk of the town then, yet he was excellent with his studies ...law for that matter.

So let the matter slide.

aribisala0:
Why not say your stuff and leave atheists out of it Mr Jesus Worshiper. Are you too afraid to say you are not a Muslim ? Your words were foolish

If you want to say you are the same faith say so directly and stop talking foolishly
Is your jesus better than Sango?

They were both men that were made into deities after they died
No difference
except one was a king and the other was a carpenter's son

PeaceJoyLove:

Please, kindly confront Biden and tell him the truth in your nation. Say the truth and keep telling him. Also tell Trumo the truth too. You leave the wahala in your Atom dey poke nose into another. Every terrible things in this world originates from your place. You even fight homo here. Why dont you go fight those in your country. You are a time bomb. Just pushing people to confront Islam to fight them....where will that get us?

I keep wondering why you always do it. But later i realised something is wrong. Honestly, that your own church too say Jesus is Michael wows me. Your passion for Christ is high....but you need to leave your church. Since you want us to be bold and say it publicly I will start hammering the truth you need to hesr.

The truth: You love God, but get the heck outta that cult and start attending a living church.

Goodluck!

Eviana:


You've been threatened clearly to disassociate yourself from me...for which I am sorry about that. This is the pattern that I've been dealing with for a few years now. Spiritual warfare at its finest.
In the future, I hope you will do a thorough research on a person who's been/being falsely accused/slandered as I am doing on all (3) men of God.
I appreciate your conversation pre-threatening.
Take care

Eviana:


The day you surrender to Christ Jesus....and I mean fully, sincerely and unreservedly/no holds-barred, you will be one mighty man of God. A force to be reckoned with....
I wholeheartedly F.O.R.G.I.V.E you....every single thing, word and action that you have done against me for almost three years now. You have chased and harassed me around this site unceasingly and unashamedly. But I understand that it's not you that I am ultimately battling. You are being used.
While forgiveness does not mean "reconciliation", I have finally released any bitterness or desire for vindication towards you.
My Father God knows what you have done and are doing. I am not interested in fighting you sir. You are sincerely in God's hands at this point.
You are one of the main people on my prayer list...and will forever remain there until my last breath.

PeaceJoyLove:


Are you ok? Where is the threat? The man read my response and only said Yes.

Yes in Nigeria doesnt mean he agrees with all I wrote. I have told you many times you dont know anything about Nigeria. Where does the threat come in? He has head to think and brain to research. Nigerians are smart. Those ones who just take what you say needs something from you. That's all. Know this truth today


I have surrendered to Jesus, but if you mean angel Michael, no... I will not. I will not worship an angel.

Focus on your nation. You dont need to instigate Christians to confront muslims here. We are not afraid. But wisdom is needed. So, l the men of God should gang up and start shouting Joshua is a demon after his death. What is the wisdom in that? Your nation have realised too to choose their battles wisely..this is why they are pulling away from Aghanistan. What have they achieved there? What have they achieved in Libya too? Iran?

When God fights, you dont start taking recklessly. And before He fights, you dont want to stop Him wirh your tongue. We are not afraid of muslims, but we must coexist with them peacefully if we want peace. You are in a Christian nation, but the Muslim population here is more. So, please, do not educate us on how to handle them. I can see that your nation handled the middle east well. Everything is not using bombs and force. Nope.

I am delighted you are still praying for me. God bless you. I am not sent to pray for you anyway...I always tell you tell. But that you are faithful to this, I am so appreciative. Please, I need GRACE to love lifted higher. Please, kindly include it. Again, please...I need the MERCY of God too. And add FAVOR.

Mercy, Grace amd Favor. Please add these three to your special prayer for me.

I called you "my sister", and you told me never to, that we arent bro and sis. You said we aren't friends. Do you remember? And i have been posting neutral since the day. I will stand on my ground, and never open the door od communication again btw us until the day you apologize. I wanted to...and then, I changed my mind again. Personally, I dont want reconciliation cos we are apparently different. You serve angel Michael, I serve Yeshua. I used to not understand your statement light and darkness cannot stay. I used to say we are both light...but the day I got that its Michael you serve, I realised yes...one of us is truly light.

God is using me mightily and if you mean a force to reckon with in your cult, then, no ma. Thank you. I dont want to worship an angel.

MaxInDHouse:


You often try to pretend as if you're interested in people's heartfelt worship but in reality what you want is your TRINITY anything apart from that makes the person a demon to you.

Obviously Eviana's belief differs from yours not because you wanted to know since you think only Jehovah's Witnesses are the cultists, if you listen attentively to each Churchgoer on this forum and meditate thoroughly on what each of them believes you'll discover that not even one person is in agreement with another on FAITH. Luke 11:23

Most people will just be silent even when you're spewing gibberish as long as you're not taxing them to pay you for your lecture.
Do you often see preachers in public transports?
How many times have you seen someone stand up to criticize what they're saying?
Do you think everyone in the bus agree with them?
Of course not but since nobody challenges them many will just end their nonsense and ingredients with some prayers assuming they've preached to people.
It's here on Nairaland where no one is seeing each other that you can now know the truth that only Jehovah's Witnesses have the same line of thought on FAITH. John 17:20-23
I remember one shadeyinka saying he attends ECWA Church but the doctrine of that Church doesn't define him!
Whereas once you hear the name Jehovah's Witnesses anywhere the first thing that will ring a bell in your head is the doctrine of the Church. WHY because if you're not in total agreement with JWs teachings you're not regarded as a member! Matthew 12:46-50

I am telling all of you claiming Christians on this forum that you will never find one as in just a single soul that's in agreement with you completely on the reason of FAITH. So stop deceiving yourselves claiming Christians rather open your heart and discuss with your neighbour to know if truthfully you both have the same mindset on what the Bible teach {Malachi 3:16} because that's the only sign now to IDENTIFY those on God's side {Malachi 3:18} i'm just using this opportunity to tell you the truth so if you want to be free from Satan's deceptive wind take my advice! John 8:32

May you have PEACE!

PeaceJoyLove:

There are many terrible teaching Jehovah Witnesses push out. And you and eviana are enemies. Lol. But just this Michael issue. I really didnt know ehat her church is also like yours. Thank God the revelation came on time.
On this Michael is Jesus teaching you suddenly want to defend her? The same Eviana you dont want to read from? I have told you Maximus, and I stand by it that the day you are ready to let go the peanuts Dappa and the rest of the Jehovah Witnesses are giving you to survive, and you are ready to learn how to take care of yourself, and grow in the LORD, reach out to me. I listen to the spirit so much, and this was my last message to you. You are too young and the way you constitute nuisance on NL promoting false teachings of Jehovah Witnesses is alarming. And many have been bashing you and the rest in the religious section. But the passion you use to defend these false teachings is alarming. And after my research, I realised that is where your food comes from.
Bro, visit the programming section also, you may be a candidate to take it up. I am just willing to assist you. But I am not saying you follow my way. If you like accept Jesus and not crucify him again, ...if you like keep promoting lies from 1914 evil demonic witnesses convention around...mine is that just be free financially so you can think clearly and then re-evaluate your life and your faith.
Michael is not Jesus. I will say it to your face. And that 1914 evil convention is where you missed it. Anyway, dont let's talk about it...just make up your mind to be financially free. Visit programming section and see if your brain can pick learning how to code.
I look forward to hearing from you.

newdawn2017:
An atheist Is a pagan, an associate of Satan let's not kid ourselves here pls we all know d demonic crime they carry out for Satan their master.

PeaceJoyLove:

I dont fancy Joshua, but talking against him is not bashing. They said the truth as it is, but there is no need. I dont know why people just allow themselves to be brainwashed. I told many to go and watch Joshua's old video...and gradually, I started seeing some..lol. He who is not for us ka against us. No wolf should pretend.

However, when God has fought and won the battle there is no need to go into it. This is where I dont appreciate Okotie. And justifying his action with the principle of the last said word, I dont agree with him. And does it seem he has the last word? No! The other magicians too have talked. If you watch those two pastors supporting Johua, they are just weird too. The things they do, how they do it. Look at that Odumeje miracles....slamming people on the floor, boxing them, and doing many stupid things. His pictures are all over nairaland as meme. Lol. And those are the ones people follow? Those are the ones defending Joshua. Mehn! People allow themselves to be deliberately deceived.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's start by putting what my religion said aside and ask ourselves sincere questions, are you ready?
I so much love what you typed in the highlighted, try to meditate thoroughly on it before we embark on this discussion!

PeaceJoyLove:


Maximus, you and I will not discuss religion again. You will only make comments on my posts and I will ignore what I feel is not healthy. I will support you where you are right. But I am sure you are on the wrong path with the Jehivah Witnesses. I am drawn to you, and not to other JWs. There is something about you God will use.

I know you are not ready now. And I know the only way I can help you now is to channel your choleric temperament into more productive areas instead of roaming about NL attacking others and defending Jehovah Witnesses when you are to ignore many comments.

So, when you are ready to discuss learning how to code, we will talk. I will release a private way you can get in touch with me. I am not ready to discuss my faith with you, but willing to do what God has sent me. You need to be financially free so you can think clearly. I have told you what I am send to do for you. It is a long journey. You may start earning huge very soon.

And about Eviana that you took the opportunity to talk to me here, I have told her too what I have with her. The only thing I need to hear from her is the process to visit Nigeria and not render herself a nuisance on NL pretending to be with us. She is 50% Nigerian & she has not stepped here. Rubbish. Yet, she runs her mouth like an idiootaaa online condemning christians here. Let her go first to her papa's village and see. Let her come here boldly and say all she is saying online real life...and stop hiding behide her screen. She uses the keyboard online like a warrior, but she hasn't been to Nigeria. The first she will shout is they will use her for sacrifices... They will turn her to money. They will hurt her. Yet, she says rubbish here online instigating christians to fight moslims by saying we must say the truth. And if you take note, she will not be at the fore front. Always at the back. But when she is called out, she always quickly removes herself and play the victim's game She does it in a way that she wants to be loved by all, and the people she uses she doest care about them. I would have said it is the American nature na.. Like Biden. But there are genuine people there who are not self centered. This Eviana is just a 50% Nigerian by mouth. It is when things dont favor such in the american sysyem like her they start wanting to associate with Nigeria. Like when the American basketball team dropped that girl in the Olympic team. She started saying she is Nigerian American, even put Nigeria first. But the likes we say are truly NIGERIAN American is Ngozi Iwela. The woman who refused to take up the US citizenship for long. But these ones, when the world start talking about our crimes, you hear say "your country". But when we win, they say "my or our country". Rubbish. And the same person who will run her mouth to say others are not worthy to be called Christians and even challenge the christianity we practise here. Rubbish. Not knowing too that you both are in the same category Jesus is Michael. What a pity!

Please, when you are ready to make money, let me know. And when Eviana is ready to visit Nigeria, I will supply her info...and I dont want to know when she is coming and when leaving. I dont even want her to call me when she is here. I will not even honor it...cos I dont want one idiootaaa to set me up and say we "planned" to kill or kidnap her. Na info only. And goodluck to her. At least she has said she doesnt want reconciliation and I also dont want anytning of such. Let her go and worship her Michael with you in peace. Angel worshippers.... good for you ooo. As for me, Angels assist me, and I am to worship only God (Trinity). I know my worth in Christ. You want to relegate me to worship angel Michael....holy Michael....Holy Gabriel....Holy Uriel....bal bla.bla...Count me out. Jesus is my God. Full stop.

Stop following me to other threads talking about religion...if you want to comment on other topics in other threads, fine.....stop taking religious topics to other threads...behave like a grown up boy

Goodluck!

Realhommie:
Saying you're not watching means only one thing, that you're close minded. I'm sorry but not sorry.

Again, God would not come down to condemn what he has given us the brains/wisdom to discern through the help of the holy spirit and knowledge of His word to judge and condemn ourselves. The apostle Paul said in 1st Corinthians that Even we as humans will judge Angels how much more the things that aren't right in the body of Christ..

It is this "judge not mentality" that has given these acclaimed MOG's so much power to abuse our minds and trample on the rights of many, all in the name of "leave it for God". So we'll see Many things wrong but when you dare speak up you'll be attacked and called many names like mentally unstable, etc...

1st John 4:1 says we must try every spirit whether it is from God. Reason being that many false prophets have gone forth, masquerading as angel of light as captured by the apostle Paul.

The reason why people are finding this hard to comprehend is simply emotions.. If the Devil can appear to men as an angel of light who's Joshua that he could not have presented himself as a true servant of the living God? Go and read the story of BarJesus in the scripture.

Once again, in order to have a balanced judgement on this issue, I urge you to go see that video with an open mind. Pay serious attention...

aribisala0:


I saw the video with an open mind.
Nothing can be more open because I do not subscribe to Christian doctrines
It is clear that Chris Okotie is not right in the head
He started off talking about WHY TB Joshua chose the name Joshua without providing evidence . Clearly that is his opinion like everything he had to say about Joshua. Did Joshua ever sit down with him to discuss his reasons? NO
He started talking about "patterns" delving into what can only be deemed a pseudo-mystical argument talking about fig trees and Jesus bride and why Jesus first saw a woman on resurrection and all kinds of delusional nonsense? Where does he get that from and what does it have to do with TB Joshua.
His video was deliberately long and much of it was spent talking about stuff that had nothing to do with the conclusions he was drawing on TB Joshua
It was just random and irrelevant nonsense intended to impress and browbeat the naive listener into tired submission and project himself as knowledgeable

Next he talked about spirits and energy flow and a lot of rubbish that is essentially a product of his twisted mind and then projects that unto Joshua . He tells of of spirits in idols
That is superstition
Well that is not what Paul had to say about idols
He said We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world.......

Okotie said " God has a Head , arms and legs , sits and stands" etc Where did he get that from? He used all kinds of bamboozling sophistry to bamboozle the naive and simple minded
Where did he get this idea of the "anthropomorphism of God" from

I am not here to defend TB Joshua but one thing is manifest
Chris Okotie's head is not correct

Eviana:


I agree with you on a few parts of the video that were questionable for me and which I did not agree with. I do not believe in superstition at all.
However, overall, there was a lot of truth in the video.
I guess my problem is that I like to look for truth and acknowledge it...instead of trashing the whole thing entirely.

However, the question remains of what the late Mr. Joshua was into. Was it sorcery, occultism, magic, etc.,and how did that connect the gospel of Christ overall. I apologize to those who are offended.
I know this man's death has crippled Nigeria in a way that is surreal. I've never seen a person be worshiped and deified like he has been.
But, folks there is a reason that people need to search the scriptures.

aribisala0:

Like I said I am open minded and to a rational debate.

Please just mention ONE TRUTH that you found outstanding from the video as it relates to TB Joshua being a Magician

JUST ONE

For me , to be logical, The question of what Mr Joshua was into , as you put it is not relevant to anything outside Christ Okotie's video. Anything outside the video is another matter for another thread.

Let us confine ourselves to what Christ Okotie said in his video

Eviana:


May I ask you why it matters so much since you are an atheist? I'm just saying that you appear hostile in this discussion.

Maybe I mixed up this thread with another. Cause I am interested in knowing the truth.
Calling the man "mental" because of some of his interpretation is one thing.
Calling him "mental" because he's speaking of a deceased man is another.
Calling him "mental" because he is calling the most popular religious figure ever in Nigeria a magician/sorcerer/false prophet is another.
See, this affects so many in Nigeria even now...let alone other parts of the world.
It's to the point that people may lose their salvation behind not reading and obeying a "thus saith the Lord."

aribisala0:

I always want to improve myself?

To what do I appear hostile please clarify ? You , Chris Okotie or what?

Also please clarify where you got the information that I am atheist?

Eviana:


Improve yourself? How does this thread help you do that?

You are definitely hostile to the pastor. But I feel it personally through your writing.
You seem to have an affinity towards the late Mr. Joshua...and aren't looking through unbiased lenses.

I thought you said something about you weren't into religion at all or other.
I assumed....my apologies.

aribisala0:

I am not the subject of discussion
Can we return to the topic and avoid all these diversionary tactics
What truth did you find in Okotie's video

Mention one please

Okotie himself posited his video was about logic and facts

That is why I am interested
Facts and logic

E.viana:



P.S.
How about we leave the pastor out of it and just use scripture to examine whether the life of the late Mr. Joshua lined up scripturally to Christ' overall gospel message. It's a dangerous thing to deify a person (no matter how much the person is loved) to the exclusion of Christ Jesus (the One who died for our sons) and to whom allegiance is owed.

Eviana:


No diversionary tactic sir.
I ask cause it makes total sense to why you are so grieved.
I want a question answered as well.

aribisala0:

Clearly you have nothing to say

You assume I am atheist
then you accuse me of hostility
We can see where hostility lives

You said there is truth in the video and are clearly incapable of pointing out ONE thing Okotie said that is True about Joshua that buttresses the magician claim

Res Ipsa Loquitur

Eviana:


I don't.
I asked if you were one (after you questioned where I got that from) based on what you wrote several posts ago on this thread.
I'm incapable. You are correct.
Please translate the last line. I'm not intelligent enough to understand the meaning.