HeavenlyHolines:
Na so. When I was teaching in Nigeria even with masters, my salary was 25k but now na another thing for Kazakhstan

tell me about it. is Kazakhstan worse compared to Saudi Arabia. How is their government like re the free. Is there good accessible health care?

MT:


While the doctors are talking about their new revenue, they should also talk about their expenditure in Saudi. Besides, they shouldn't forget to compare the liberty they enjoy in Nigeria to that of Saudi. Life is not measured in money alone.

They should also tell us about the ethics of the profession. Can they open private hospital while working in the govt hospital in Saudi? Can they refer patients from the govt hospital to their own private clinics in Saudi?. Do they address patients anyhow in Saudi? Do they sleep with patients and their relatives recklessly in their waiting room in Saudi ? Do they offer mediocre services in Saudi?

While people will rush to blame the govt, remember to look into the way doctors behave in Nigeria as well, acting far superior to other professionals in Nigeria. Till we can look into all these, we won't have a balanced conversation.

Nice response. Good questions that need answers.

Modrov:


Yeah, a US resident is paid well.

But the fact is a Nigerian IMG (International medical graduate) arriving in the US for residency does not have the burden of college loan debt that his US colleague has...that's why they can afford nice stuff...

(Though it costs a lot of money to pass US licensing exams, and to get the visas...and that includes travelling costs.)

You're against doctors running away because of low pay. Let me ask you a question, why does the fg delay in making payment?
The problem isn't just about the low pay. It doesn't come regularly, that's the major problem. Also, the facilities in our health institutions aren't world class. How do you expect the doctors to cope in such situation?

They're being paid low and even at that, the salary isn't regular. The fg keeps owing them! Are they permitted to owe people anyhow just because education is subsidised?!

A medical doctor in Nigeria is collecting less than 150k....haba! We are wicked in this country...
That's 25 minutes wages of some footballers abroad...
There will be a time that all doctors in Nigeria we relocate ....

And Jack Obinyan is busy writing nonsense on Facebook.

tunjijones:


You are happy abi...

Very soon we wld go back to native doctors when all the medical doctors have left the shores of Nigeria for greener pastures.

if u want to die here in Nigeria, die alone. We re leaving to a more serious people as a nation to build in & live in safety, harmony with nature & our neighbours, in hope,
faith, laughter & with fear of The true God Yahweh.

3minssex:


You're against doctors running away because of low pay

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WAAAAH.....waait.....read my comments on this thread. I am not against doctors running away because low pay!

Let me ask you a question, why does the fg delay in making payment?
The problem isn't just about the low pay. It doesn't come regularly, that's the major problem. Also, the facilities in our health institutions aren't world class. How do you expect the doctors to cope in such situation?

Yes, all that's true....and the reason, apart from corruption, is because we are not earning enough money to pay for a first world level health care system

We are not making enough money because we sell raw materials whose prices are never at a level that can sustain us.

Then there are the looters.

They're being paid low and even at that, the salary isn't regular. The fg keeps owing them! Are they permitted to owe people anyhow just because education is subsidised?!

(Looking bored now) I know that. I am a doctor......I have peeps who have ported......

oriewanbe:

Nice response. Good questions that need answers.

You will pay for the efficient services you're using, that is not an issue. Who talks about private consultancy when you are well paid.


Make una grow

Modrov:
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WAAAAH.....waait.....read my comments on this thread. I am not against doctors running away because low pay!




Yes, all that's true....and the reason, apart from corruption, is because we are not earning enough money to pay for a first world level health care system

We are not making enough money because we sell raw materials whose prices are never at a level that can sustain us.

Then there are the looters.



(Looking bored now) I know that. I am a doctor......I have peeps who have ported......

You didn't say anything. When you're ready to answer me,quote me.

3minssex:


You didn't say anything. When you're ready to answer me,quote me.

K.

3minssex:


You're against doctors running away because of low pay. Let me ask you a question, why does the fg delay in making payment?
The problem isn't just about the low pay. It doesn't come regularly, that's the major problem. Also, the facilities in our health institutions aren't world class. How do you expect the doctors to cope in such situation?

They're being paid low and even at that, the salary isn't regular. The fg keeps owing them! Are they permitted to owe people anyhow just because education is subsidised?!

@MT @oriewanbe

adenigga:

https://punchng.com/We-shed-tears-of-joy-after-receiving-first-pay-in-Saudi-Arabia-UK-others-Nigerians-Doctors

And Polithiefcians without any school Certs are busy looting the available funds, omo this Cowntry nor balaciaga

Sysdatek:


if you know the number of people looking up to medical docs
you wont type this nonsense
who no love money?
you dey work for free?
how many years training do these guys get before earning 100k? almost a decade and after that they cant even afford a decent car and housing for years.

am not a Dr but i reason with them jare
naija no worth the stress
a country where the elite dont even use our medical facilities, or where a minister said we have more than enough doctors

Don't mind the buffoons. There's one clown defending the fg in all the pages of this thread while claiming to be a doctor. I asked him the following questions and he couldn't answer,just blabbing nonsense.

See what I asked him below:
You're against doctors running away because of low pay. Let me ask you a question, why does the fg delay in making payment?
The problem isn't just about the low pay. It doesn't come regularly, that's the major problem. Also, the facilities in our health institutions aren't world class. How do you expect the doctors to cope in such situation?

They're being paid low and even at that, the salary isn't regular. The fg keeps owing them! Are they permitted to owe people anyhow just because education is subsidised?!

3minssex:


Don't mind the buffoons. There's one clown defending the fg in all the pages of this thread while claiming to be a doctor. I asked him the following questions and he couldn't answer,just blabbing nonsense.

See what I asked him below:
You're against doctors running away because of low pay. Let me ask you a question, why does the fg delay in making payment?
The problem isn't just about the low pay. It doesn't come regularly, that's the major problem. Also, the facilities in our health institutions aren't world class. How do you expect the doctors to cope in such situation?

They're being paid low and even at that, the salary isn't regular. The fg keeps owing them! Are they permitted to owe people anyhow just because education is subsidised?!

Read my comments on this thread. I think you have mistaken me for someone else.

Here is a comment I made earlier in response to this post..

Adakintroy:


You are still a looser. You abandon your country when they needed you. Worst than that you keep making attributions. The country is bad we know it has been so since time of fela and even so before him. Those who choose to stay defined themselves clearly..it's mind of matter. Material success over the spirit of our calling ( in your case saving struggling humans).

There are doctors in war torn region doing their bid in this regards. So do what you must but live with your decisions. The rest of us up here will keep doing our best. You down there do yours. But overall yours is a weak mind

The medical profession is a spiritual one no different from men of God. If you moneytise it beyond a point. You loose the original meaning and all that is left is perhaps the bureaucrat one.

And here is my response in bold.

Link to my repsonse here

Well, as a doctor, everyone has a right to go where the money is. It has been happening in many parts of the world for generations.

(Even in football self. Colombia is now famous for having been a war torn, drug ridden country, but one time in the 1950's, it had a rich enough football league that attracted players from Europe self.).

If you don't want doctors to go abroad to make money...then you also have to tell everyone else too that they don't have a right to go where the money is. That won't win you any fans.

Ultimately, people want to make money. Lots of money. Even you too.

By the way, before you start...I work in Nigeria , and have no plans to migrate in the nearest future.


The above is my reposne to the post I quoted above...by the guy claiming that doctors are doing spiriutal work. It shows that I do not necessarily oppose doctors leaving this country.

I mean why should I oppose something that would benefit me too?

Good afternoon. I hope you get it.

Typical Nigerian mentality everyone wants to be rich, who forced you into studying medicine at the first place? And who even told you doctor is a profession that makes you rich? It’s a profession that calls for human services and not riches, blacks are one kind human beings, always thinking of money, that’s why we are chronically poor..

Sysdatek:


if you know the number of people looking up to medical docs
you wont type this nonsense
who no love money?
you dey work for free?
how many years training do these guys get before earning 100k? almost a decade and after that they cant even afford a decent car and housing for years.

am not a Dr but i reason with them jare
naija no worth the stress
a country where the elite dont even use our medical facilities, or where a minister said we have more than enough doctors

DrFunmisticGlow:
if any doctor did NYSC, he had bloody served his country and done his bloody quota. They don't owe your entitled asses shit.

Talking as if you all pay tax. Mtcheeeeeeeeeew!!

Oga do what you must..I have said my bid..someone has to believe in this country beyound the average mind. I never came for anyone..except the childish ones that abandon their country and then still have the nerve to insult it on their post to justify their decision. It's a biiitch move. I don't hesitate disrespecting them. Someone has to do it. Go to America but respect the Nigeria you came from that's my end submision.

Nigerian political leaders are a joke. You treat your medical practitioners in Nigeria as trash only to go abroad and still be treated by the same Nigerian Doctors.

Dumb asshole leaders

FolabiCash:
These guys shouldn't be tolerated at all ! Imagine the peanuts they paid to be a fully certified doctor and all they cry about is payment ! True , country is in a chaos but for once , we must speak the truth , if the medical education is that easy , why them no go Learn medicine for this same Dubai they're rushing to work ?

Call a spade a spade , they're swindling the govt and I think it's high time govt should stop funding medicine in federal schools.

Doctors are not the only ones migrating. Others who went to Government unis are also migrating, so you cannot single out Drs.
I actually agree that the government should stop funding federal/state schools and each school should have autonomy.
But for every course and not only medicine.

Adakintroy:


Oga do what you must..I have said my bid..someone has to believe in this country beyound the average mind. I never came for anyone..except the childish ones that abandon their country and then still have the nerve to insult it on their post to justify their decision. It's a biiitch move. I don't hesitate disrespecting them. Someone has to do it. Go to America but respect the Nigeria you came from that's my end submision.

Well, at the end of the day, abusing doctors who want to leave for greener pastures is not the way to do it.

You cannot be asking us to believe in Nigeria when your governments past and present aren't ready to do the hard work of making our economy productive, to a level where they can pay people a decent and living wage.

The dullard and his Minister of Health will not see this, even if the dullard saw it, he will not understand because he cannot just understand anything.

We wish all Nigerian doctors in the diaspora all the best.

Modrov:


Focus is all very well, but if we aren';t earning the cash to keep up the equipment, it would after some time break down.

There has been a lot of focus on health, in fact in 2004, the government spent a lot of money upgrading teaching hospitals. The problem was Nigeria is not earning enough money to keep those hospitals and their equipment up to standard.

It is easy to buy car, but if my salary goes down suddenly, how would I pay for maintenance, upgrades, etc.

The problem with government is not focus...it is that they do not want to make our economy more productive because doing so means implementing measures that would make them lose power.

Nigeria is earning enough but they have puy their focus somewhere else. Corruption has killed those hospitals.

My Christian brothers will not shout ISLAMIZATION on this one since it favours them.

MT:


While the doctors are talking about their new revenue, they should also talk about their expenditure in Saudi. Besides, they shouldn't forget to compare the liberty they enjoy in Nigeria to that of Saudi. Life is not measured in money alone.

They should also tell us about the ethics of the profession. Can they open private hospital while working in the govt hospital in Saudi? Can they refer patients from the govt hospital to their own private clinics in Saudi?. Do they address patients anyhow in Saudi? Do they sleep with patients and their relatives recklessly in their waiting room in Saudi ? Do they offer mediocre services in Saudi?

While people will rush to blame the govt, remember to look into the way doctors behave in Nigeria as well, acting far superior to other professionals in Nigeria. Till we can look into all these, we won't have a balanced conversation.

Drs are allowed to practice privately while still working with government run hospitals.
Abroad in the UK, surgeons, anaesthetists, physicians etc all practice privately and at the same time too fulfil their obligations in their government own jobs.
Owning hospitals abroad by Drs is hard only because of the funding aspect, but private hospitals are owned by businessmen and as a Dr, you can register with such a hospital and bring in your patients to operate on or the hospital calls you to see a patient who has come there for a specialist review.
It's not that hard.
Drs abroad have their off days that they can decdie to do their private work. They are allowed to work with the government part time if they want and work privately the remaining days.
They don't make life difficult for professionals like they do in Nigeria.
Now with regards to unethical behaviour, that's frowned upon and is wrong abroad and even in Nigeria.
You cannot generalise because some individuals decide to be unethical in dealing with patients. Drs who sleep with patients in the hospital should be sanctioned. That's not the normal even in Nigerian hospitals. Its just sad that the regulatory bodies for Drs and other professionals in Nigeria are barely functioning.

Modrov:


Well, at the end of the day, abusing doctors who want to leave for greener pastures is not the way to do it.

You cannot be asking us to believe in Nigeria when your governments past and present aren't ready to do the hard work of making our economy productive, to a level where they can pay people a decent and living wage.

I did not insult anyone. I never did. I was just defending the country. They were the ones insulting my country. I saw it with my own eyes. One post a pic about what a lady bought her over there and the next reference was Nigeria. Why all this shallowness for Christ sake!. Take your Damm gift but just don't throw us under the bus to validate your whimp decision.

All of us face similar temptations to leave. All of us. It takes courage to stay and help. Whatever intelligent level you attain Someone can profit from it and the momentum can build.

The country is bad what's the next move?. Let's turn and run. That's not a solution for many am afraid. So much for leaders of tomorrow. Maybe the father's saw through us after all.

jumper524:
Doctors can be the new source of foreign exchange if the govt can look deeper.
Every year in the universities more than enough qualified students for medicine are forced into other departments because the quota for medicine is 150 at max.
You'll see people with hyper impressive grades forced into other departments..
It won't take much for the FG to invest in the medical sector and improve the quota of every universities to 500.
That way we'll have much more exports and also more private hospitals at lesser rates.

Good thinking! This reminds me India and IT.

Though the quality of our doctors that makes them appealing to the rest of the world might drop if the quota is changed. I know many brilliant students are left out cause of the quota but that also implies only the best of the best is taken. What do you think?

Modrov:


Read my comments on this thread. I think you have mistaken me for someone else.

Here is a comment I made earlier in response to this post..



And here is my response in bold.

Link to my repsonse here

Well, as a doctor, everyone has a right to go where the money is. It has been happening in many parts of the world for generations.

(Even in football self. Colombia is now famous for having been a war torn, drug ridden country, but one time in the 1950's, it had a rich enough football league that attracted players from Europe self.).

If you don't want doctors to go abroad to make money...then you also have to tell everyone else too that they don't have a right to go where the money is. That won't win you any fans.

Ultimately, people want to make money. Lots of money. Even you too.

By the way, before you start...I work in Nigeria , and have no plans to migrate in the nearest future.


The above is my reposne to the post I quoted above...by the guy claiming that doctors are doing spiriutal work. It shows that I do not necessarily oppose doctors leaving this country.

I mean why should I oppose something that would benefit me too?

Good afternoon. I hope you get it.

Well i commend you and also everyone who choose to stay also. And I also apologise to you if there was a misunderstanding earlier.

I never said anyone was not free to leave. I can preach my own kind of patriotism from my own kind of truth but anyone is free to do as will. It's a matter of heart. My take is by batching the country and posting it without any seriouse fight back, you demoralize the spirit of some and preach exite to others. Spirit is at an all time low. But if we keep loosing viable men. We stand no chance at all of a comeback.

Go to America but don't come online and sell it. That's my main thrust.

I like your post. these first year house doctors do not understand it. they think once they graduate they will spray dem with money.
all of them always thinking of money. they should raise their salaries a bit to the standards of the bankers.

Edusouls:
Typical Nigerian mentality everyone wants to be rich, who forced you into studying medicine at the first place? And who even told you doctor is a profession that makes you rich? It’s a profession that calls for human services and not riches, blacks are one kind human beings, always thinking of money, that’s why we are chronically poor..

Good to know that. You see, Nigeria can be a much better place if all Nigerians are responsible citizens.

How honest are you in your day to day dealings with your colleagues and business associate?

Do you make a promise and fulfill it?

Do you in your own little ways and at your level do your own part to make the world and Nigeria in particular a better place?

These are some of the questions a truly mature, honest Nigerians need to ask himself. Everything is not always about government, you know.

A country cannot have a good, responsible government if the average citizen of the country is unevolved and irresponsible.

PEACE

HeavenlyHolines:
My dear,not everyone is a scammer. If you have the average mentality of a Nigerian, you might not move higher. Step up and be matured. Shalom

adenigga:

https://punchng.com/We-shed-tears-of-joy-after-receiving-first-pay-in-Saudi-Arabia-UK-others-Nigerians-Doctors

BUHARI YOU WORST O.

can you stop the government run doctors from stealing hospital medicines?

eyinjuege:


Drs are allowed to practice privately while still working with government run hospitals.
Abroad in the UK, surgeons, anaesthetists, physicians etc all practice privately and at the same time too fulfil their obligations in their government own jobs.
Owning hospitals abroad by Drs is hard only because of the funding aspect, but private hospitals are owned by businessmen and as a Dr, you can register with such a hospital and bring in your patients to operate on or the hospital calls you to see a patient who has come there for a specialist review.
It's not that hard.
Drs abroad have their off days that they can decdie to do their private work. They are allowed to work with the government part time if they want and work privately the remaining days.
They don't make life difficult for professionals like they do in Nigeria.
Now with regards to unethical behaviour, that's frowned upon and is wrong abroad and even in Nigeria.
You cannot generalise because some individuals decide to be unethical in dealing with patients. Drs who sleep with patients in the hospital should be sanctioned. That's not the normal even in Nigerian hospitals. Its just sad that the regulatory bodies for Drs and other professionals in Nigeria are barely functioning.

Adakintroy:


Everyone is caught up by the greedy bugg. Banking sector don't pay better than health. You just not figured your sectors out intelligently. Every institution is viable. As long as there are sick people and dieing people and birth.. doctors will always be relevant and they are far relevant than bankers. But you should look inwards within your structures. I feel those stealing from you are mainly amongst your Institutes. Not the government politicians per say.


If you read for many decades and you can't figure how to outwit and get what you want from semi agbero politicians, but choose to turn and run then the stupidity is on you and no one else. Am sorry but am not. We taking like men now. Or maybe they are getting help from withing your ranks fellow highly rank doctors. Either ways. It's not the politicians it you.


You need doctors with warrior hearts to fight for you even in your profession. Weaklings will always act out their first instinct at the sight of trouble. Which is turn and run to safety.

..and where did I say doctors are not relevant? You clearly have comprehension issues for one so smart
What you call stupidity is migration, something even older than civliization. When species (except plants) are in a place that is not favourable, they either adapt, migrate, or die . Its nature. Just because you choose to live in a dump like an animal doesnt make you smarter. In fact you get no medals for living like a beast so you can miss me with all that arrogance.

frog12:
can you stop the government run doctors from stealing hospital medicines?

Drs do not have access to medicines in government hospitals.
The matrons do, and bring out as they see fit once they are supplied by the pharmacy.
Nurses give the medicines, hence are in charge of them.
The Dr usually just writes what they want the patient to be given, and the beautiful nurses get the medicines into the patients.
Any other misconceptions you need to be answered?