Segedinho:

I think what I uploaded earlier is an extension of this.

There is always a special occasion to rules especially when not intentional or maybe the magnitude of the match itself

Can you tell me why sallah was not yellow carded for kicking the ball away??

to be honest, I've never seen any clear/obvious goalscoring opportunity (esp on the line) that involves handball and the player wasn't sent off. It can't just happen. The only way out is if the ref didn't blow at all.

As for the bolded, is it in reaction to the ref not giving the penalty at first??

Jodera:
Lol... All pundit will say it is harsh and it shouldn't be cos of course they're strictly following the handball rule. What dey fail to take into cognizance is the goalscoring opportunity factor. That exact situation outside inside the box without little threat to goal and the ref will wave it aside and he'll be right doing such. But as long as that situation involve a goalscoring opportunity(emphasis on that) and as long as it's blown, the there's only one outcome... RED!!

All pundit will say it's wrong, but if you listen to most refs, they'll tell you Anthony Taylor is right all day long

So your opinion supersedes football analysts that are miles ahead of you in the football world?


You are funny I swear

OJURONGBE1:



I didn't dispute the penalty but that redcard was a little harsh and it made the game one -sided afterwards.
Watch Klopp's interview with Skysport. He broached the topic & said he felt for Reece James , that it wasn't intentional.

Yeah... I listened to Klopp's interview and he was sympathetic with James.
To be honest, anyone will be cos the rule involving that is harsh, but the koko is that

"Did the ref do the right thing by sending Reece James off?

According to the rule he did, even tho it's harsh. My point is that you guys shouldn't make Taylor the villain here but the rule. He was just following the rule.

Segedinho:

So your opinion supersedes football analysts that are miles ahead of you in the football world?


You are funny I swear

Oh geez!!
How is it my opinion??

I showed you the rule and you said it's my opinion?? Come on!

Oya answer this please

1... Was it an obvious goalscoring opportunity?
3... Was it a penalty?
2... Was it a handball?

I just need a yes or no answer ONLY please.

Thanks in anticipation

Jodera:
The issue here is that it didn't factor in goalscoring opportunity.

As long as it denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity, then it's a red all day long. The only situation that can be averted is if the ref did not blow it at all.

Once ref blows such an incidence, a red card must follow, cos it's then a hand ball offence which denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity. They can't give yellow card for that

A very harsh rule, but then it is what it is.

Wrong.

Only when the handball offence is confirmed can you talk about the goal scoring opportunity. Read your attachment again

My posit is simple. That was not a handball offence at least not 100% confirmed for the VAR to stop play

I just watched Reece's sending off he was really unlucky. From the clip he moved his knee to block the ball alongside his arms which are moving in a natural manner. James is just unfortunate that the ball didn't bounce anywhere other than unto his arm cos the clip clearly shows he was using his knee to try and block the ball. Plus during the corner that led to the goal VVD's arm clearly pushing Azpilicueta's head during the whole struggle.

Jodera:


All these applies when "it's not an obvious goalscoring opportunity" na.

If that is a handball, then automatically it denied a goalscoring opportunity which is a sending off. The only situation is if that's not a handball (like ref will see it and still say play on). Any other reason ref blow for a pk automatically requires sending off.

Yea it's harsh, but it's what it is.

Jodera:
to be honest, I've never seen any clear/obvious goalscoring opportunity (esp on the line) that involves handball and the player wasn't sent off. It can't just happen. The only way out is if the ref didn't blow at all.

As for the bolded, is it in reaction to the ref not giving the penalty at first??

Must it be in relation with d penalty incident b4 a yellow card will be issued ??

He fouled Alonso and angrily kickd d ball away

He kicked the ball at of annoyance and should rightly be carded..


Just like I said....blocking a goal bound ball intentionally is a straight red card not d ball hitting his thigh b4 his hands.

The reason for the outrage is,had it been he watched d replay instead of the pics...he would have understood the scene better.

Jodera:
to be honest, I've never seen any clear/obvious goalscoring opportunity (esp on the line) that involves handball and the player wasn't sent off. It can't just happen. The only way out is if the ref didn't blow at all.

As for the bolded, is it in reaction to the ref not giving the penalty at first??

Well, he didnt. hence my point

User09:


Wrong.

Only when the handball offence is confirmed can you talk about the goal scoring opportunity. Read your attachment again

My posit is simple. That was not a handball offence at least not 100% confirmed for the VAR to stop play

So what you're saying in essence is that that shouldn't have been a penalty??

User09:


Disagree. Here's IFAB rule on handball.

A handball offence is when a player:

- “Deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball;

- Touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or

- Scores in the opponents’ goal:
— directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or

— immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.”

Can you at any point in James play confirm the bolded above to be 100% certain. Either way u can make an argument for or against.

If u agree with the above, the one argument I think is impossible to make is that it was a clear and obvious error by the referee to allow play to continue. Hence it was needless for VAR to stop play and interfere

In other words, The biggest mistake in the whole play was allowing VAR to involve itself in a borderline call to begin with - they should have stuck with the initial ruling by the referee in real time that no handball occurred. Then they show a frozen image which makes the whole thing even stranger

The last 3 paragraphs captures my opinion

Segedinho:

Must it be in relation with d penalty incident b4 a yellow card will be issued ??

He fouled Alonso and angrily kickd d ball away

He kicked the ball at of annoyance and should rightly be carded..


Just like I said....blocking a goal bound ball intentionally is a straight red card not d ball hitting his thigh b4 his hands.

The reason for the outrage is,had it been he watched d replay instead of the pics...he would have understood the scene better.

I didn't watch the match Sir, I only watch the highlights and then specifically the videos of the handball in order to make my point. So I'm sorry I'm not aware of Salah's foul on Alonso

Jodera:
Oh geez!!
How is it my opinion??

I showed you the rule and you said it's my opinion?? Come on!

Oya answer this please

1... Was it an obvious goalscoring opportunity?
3... Was it a penalty?
2... Was it a handball?

I just need a yes or no answer ONLY please.

Thanks in anticipation

Like I said earlier and uploaded as well..there are exceptions to rules..

It was a handball but unintentional..it can't cut of his hands and the ball cwas actually a deflection from mane...

I asked a question abt sallah and the refused card.

A yellow card is issued for kicking the ball away after a ref's decision but why did he ignored

swiz123:
This thread don tire me. The amount of sheep here can feed the entire Igala tribe.

Someone is posting still images of a ball in serious motion and some people who watched the match are already liking and sharing the post. The very same thing that Anthony Taylor did yesterday. When will people here have opinion of their own which cannot be so easily swayed.

Havertz should be criticized for not releasing a one time pass but Mount who had more time to make a proper decision chose to shoot with his weaker foot from a tight angle instead on cutting a simple pass back for Havertz to score an open net. Never mind that he did the same thing to Havertz last week: choosing to play a very weak shot with his left foot from outside the box.

Hating Mount becomes easier with the stupid takes I see here... Season will finish and we will start seeing jude typing 3 open play assists and we would begin to wonder why

i'm used to them, these are the same people that supported Lampard blindly and refused to listen to contrary opinions, mount averages more than 10 bad decisions a game, it's havertz's first big error in judgement that they are dissecting, if it was mount, their conclusions will be mount is still developing

Havertz made a mistake, could he pass it once? yes of course, has he done it before? Yes ooo plenty times

Why the fanfare over a single mistake meanwhile mount has a collection of mistakes like that every other game, agenda motivated herd of sheep marching psychologically together, pathetic set of sentimental people

chrisooblog:
I just watched Reece's sending off he was really unlucky. From the clip he moved his knee to block the ball alongside his arms which are moving in a natural manner. James is just unfortunate that the ball didn't bounce anywhere other than unto his arm cos the clip clearly shows he was using his knee to try and block the ball. Plus during the corner that led to the goal VVD's arm clearly pushing Azpilicueta's head during the whole struggle.

Everyone knows James was unlucky. Even me, I admit the red is harsh on him since it's not his fault. But my point is, did the ref do the right thing by following the rules?

That's my point which is yes.
Harsh on Reece but the rules is the rules

Tuchel ought to have play warner lukaku Mount upfront. It’s obvious Havertz and mount are competing which is not good for the team.

Segedinho:
A better angle


Kai was a Bastard here

A very big bastard I must say...the mount blunder is still a lil trivial he might make a excuse he didn't see harvertz cos he was on speed...but harvertz own is damn unforgivable...if Chelsea's future is built around mentally handicapped players like harvertz then I doubt the club will have a future.

N.B am not trying to side mount...he is also a bastard but Kai was a bigger bastard

User09:


Well, he didnt. hence my point

Okayy you feel he shouldn't have blown the Penalty? I just want to be clear on your stance please.

hensben:
Tuchel ought to have play warner lukaku Mount upfront. It’s obvious Havertz and mount are competing which is not good for the team.

Werner lukaku havertz allow those 3 to play 5 games together, they will build connections and we will win the league by April

Jodera:
I didn't watch the match Sir, I only watch the highlights and then specifically the videos of the handball in order to make my point. So I'm sorry I'm not aware of Salah's foul on Alonso

Oh..
I taught u watched it..

Salah angrily kicked the ball away after the ref's decision and nothing happened.


Rules specifically required a card should be awarded for dissent.


In a high magnitude game like this..all cards must be on ground

Havertz10:
Werner lukaku havertz allow those 3 to play 5 games together, they will build connections and we will win the league by April

That too. Havertz used to do one time pass, don’t know what happened to him yesterday.

Havertz10:
Werner lukaku havertz allow those 3 to play 5 games together, they will build connections and we will win the league by April

Werner head no correct.

I even cherish ziyech to him.

James intentionally used his hand to stop the ball from going in after it ricocheted off his laps.

It’s an open and shut case.

Penalty. Red card. No arguments.

hensben:
Tuchel ought to have play warner lukaku Mount upfront. It’s obvious Havertz and mount are competing which is not good for the team.

Speaking with them will do more good than involving Werner.

Mount is more of a balance bw the midfield and the attacker.

Werner is all about speed an no sense.

Ziyech can't really complement the midfield like mount...

pamcode:
Lukaku had his own moment when he could have just slipped the ball to Havertz and chose to go through Mount. The scoreline could have been 3-0 even before the red card situation.

Mount should have buried that, drilled a low cross for havertz and after taking an extra touch, he could have still teed up havertz for a tap in

TheLequte:
James intentionally used his hand to stop the ball from going in after it ricocheted off his laps.

It’s an open and shut case.

Penalty. Red card. No arguments.

deactivate your account

There was this match where Pogba, being part of the wall in a freekick, used his hand to protect his face from the freekick shot.

The wall was in the 18-yard box. The ref awarded a penalty.

James’ handball was deliberate and if he hadn’t made his body bigger, the ball would’ve gone in. Straight pen.

TheLequte:
James intentionally used his hand to stop the ball from going in after it ricocheted off his laps.

It’s an open and shut case.

Penalty. Red card. No arguments.

And even klopp opposed ur view by saying it was harsh..

Penalty Yes

Red card No cos he raised his thigh to block the ball hence it is natural for his hands to be up to create balance.

Okay....what is the penalty for dissent Why was salah's case ignored

Havertz10:
deactivate your account

You should be the one to deactivate your account for all the crap you usually sprout here.

TheLequte:
James intentionally used his hand to stop the ball from going in after it ricocheted off his laps.

It’s an open and shut case.

Penalty. Red card. No arguments.

What a bad decision!
He wanted to stop the ball from entering. In the end,his actions still brought about a goal. It would've been better if he just allowed the ball to go into the net without receiving red.

Segedinho:

Speaking with them will do more good than involving Werner.

Mount is more of a balance bw the midfield and the attacker.

Werner is all about speed an no sense.

Ziyech can't really complement the midfield like mount...

I understand you. But against top teams Mount lukaku warner should play. Mount help the midfield during off ball movement.

TheLequte:
There was this match where Pogba, being part of the wall in a freekick, used his hand to protect his face from the freekick shot.

The wall was in the 18-yard box. The ref awarded a penalty.

James’ handball was deliberate and if he hadn’t made his body bigger, the ball would’ve gone in. Straight pen.

Is there anyone opposing the penalty

hensben:
That too. Havertz used to do one time pass, don’t know what happened to him yesterday.

he isn't playing regularly, if he plays regularly for like 10 games, you will get sharper and more consistent, havertz uses rhythm to play, it's like music, always thinking and scheming, that's why he needed time to adapt, once he gets used to our league you will see the person that I'm talking about, he will be unplayable