GardenOfGod:

[b] [s]Because of the Watchtower presupposition that Jesus is not God, they choose the first version; otherwise, the Father would be calling Jesus God, and that goes against Jehovah’s Witness theology[/s].[/b]

[s]It is clearly seen that New World Greek intearlinear Translation correctly admitted that JESUS IS GOD in Hebrews. 1:8
[/s]
[s]But because of the fact that they cannot change the original Greek text, they would have changed it.

As I have shown that the "YOU" is referencing JESUS AS GOD.[/s]

[b[s]]"... But the SON (JESUS) the throne of YOU (JESUS) THE GOD... "[/b]

That's the original Greek text as clearly seen. No argument.[/s]

Is Jesus the God of his Father?

Continue LYING, Garden of LYING.
Even when he read Revelation 3:21 and Luke 1:32.
Ogidigaan of LYING.

Janosky:

Is Jesus the God of his Father?

Continue LYING, Garden of LYING.
Even when he read Revelation 3:21 and Luke 1:32.
Ogidigaan of LYING.

GardenOfGod:
Janosky, just MENTION THE NAME OF THE PERSONALITY REFERRED TO IN THAT PASSAGE

#challenge

From the original Greek interlinear, a session of verse 8 reads...
"...The throne of you the God..."

Verse 9 reads...
"... You loved righteousness..."

Question:
Who is the YOU in both verses?

MENTION HIS NAME please.

No stories!

#challenge

Janosky:

The God of Jesus.
Proven by Jesus @ Revelation 3:12,21.

GardenOfGod:
This was the question I asked Janosky...



And this was his response...


ANALYSIS OF JANOSKY'S ANSWER.
Janosky is directly saying that God was talking to "HIMSELF", because the phrase
"YOU loved righteousness..."
Could be rightly rendered...

"YOU(God of Jesus) loved righteousness..." according to Janosky.

[[s]b]SUMMARY [/b]
If God was talking to "Himself" as God, according to Janosky, but the statement is making reference to "Jesus", therefore Janosky is directly and indirectly confirming tha[/s]t [[s]b]JESUS IS GOD[/b] for the second time to the glory of God the Father.
End of discussion![/s]

Janosky:


Very Dishonest & DUBIOUS to TWIST my comments, oh Bros Garden of LYING.

Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7,
"Thy throne given of God"
Garden of LYING, go and change am.

Your fellow Trinitarian devotees & scholars (Screenshots evidences) have placed your Claims as FRAUDULENT
Case closed.

GardenOfGod:


New World Translation interlinear is rated by YOU as the most accurate. Therefore, when we will discuss Psalms 45, I will want you to use it for references and not Masoretic Text which is gotten from a public source other than WatchTower Translation.

GardenOfGod:


New World Translation interlinear is rated by YOU as the most accurate. Therefore, when we will discuss Psalms 45, I will want you to use it for references and not Masoretic Text which is gotten from a public source other than WatchTower Translation.

Janosky:


Very Dishonest & DUBIOUS to TWIST my comments, oh Bros Garden of LYING.

Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7,
"Thy throne given of God"
Garden of LYING, go and change am.

Your fellow Trinitarian devotees & scholars (Screenshots evidences) have placed your Claims as FRAUDULENT[/s]

GardenOfGod:

I asked you a simple question and you gave me your answer.
Your answer confirmed that Jesus is God.

Have some shame young man.

Janosky:

Your question:" 'What is the name of the personality refered to as "YOU" in verse 8?' "
You TWISTED my response.
The internet can not forget your DUBIOUS claims.
Read the Screenshots referencing Revelation 3:12,21.
This Bros, you no get shame.

Janosky:

Yes.
The RSV translation is an accurate rendition of Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7
"Thy throne given of God"
Emphatic,no !!!
Which English Bible is older than the Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?
None at all !
This Bros,Garden of LYING and Matt Slick are DUBIOUS and very dishonest, their denial of the truth.
RSV translation and Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7 proven that.
Dishonest, DUBIOUS Matt Slick and Garden of LYING.
The same Hebrew grammar @ RSV translates it as “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever,” is the accurate rendition of Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7
"Thy throne given of God."
This is the same truth @ Revelation 3:21,
@ Luke 1:32, @ 1 Chronicles 29:23 ,
@1 Chroniclest 28:5,the God and Father owns the throne given to Jesus through the lineage of David.
* Matt Sick confesses "this is the best translation"
RSV translates it as “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever,” is the accurate rendition of Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7
"Thy throne given of God." @ Psalms 45:6 & Hebrews 1:8.
Psalms 45:6 is the original, Hebrews 1:8 is the photocopy copy.
[/b]Case closed.
[b]LIARS - Matt Slick & Garden of LYING
We know the truth it's not hidden.
At anytime, the Jews NEVER claimed any king is God.
No place at all from Genesis to Revelation.

The Same Jews said @ Psalms 45:6,
"Thy throne given of God forever"
In other words, the God given the throne to the king, his sons (& descendants of king David). Luke 1:32, Rev 3:21, Psalms 45:6 & Hebrews 1:8.

GardenOfGod:
[s]

POINT OF ORDER!!!
We were dissecting Hebrews 1:8 and 9 and I have asked you questions and you have given me answers.

[b] #1
I used your answer to accurately analyse the Greek text and we arrived at you confirming what the New World Translation of Greek interlinear has made evidence, that Jesus is "ho Theos" (The God)


Your denial is inconsequential because the evidence is very obvious.

#2
If we want to talk about Psalms 45:6-7, I challenge you to snapshot your New World Translation interlinear and not from any other source because you people don't trust any other translation except yours.

Snapshot Psalms 45:6 from New World Hebrews interlinear

#challenge
#challenge [/b]

Janosky:

Your question:" 'What is the name of the personality refered to as "YOU" in verse 8?' "
You TWISTED my response.
The internet can not forget your DUBIOUS claims.
Read the Screenshots referencing Revelation 3:12,21.
This Bros, you no get shame.

Janosky:

#1.
My reference to Revelation 3:12,21 proven your FALSE claims.

#2.
Another FALSE claim form Garden of LYING.

Bros, whatever you say to save face or TWIST my comments, the real evidences plentiful on this thread and on this forum.

Case closed for good!
Shalom.

Janosky:

Your question:" 'What is the name of the personality refered to as "YOU" in verse 8?' "
You TWISTED my response.
The internet can not forget your DUBIOUS claims.
Read the Screenshots referencing Revelation 3:12,21.
This Bros, you no get shame.

GardenOfGod:

I was analysing verse 8 of Hebrews.
I will analyse verse 9 too because same" YOU" in verse 8 is in verse 9.

You will confirm again that JESUS IS GOD!
It's so painful to you to use your mouth and say that JESUS IS GOD

GardenOfGod:
Janosky, just MENTION THE NAME OF THE PERSONALITY REFERRED TO IN THAT PASSAGE

#challenge

From the original Greek interlinear, a session of verse 8 reads...
"...The throne of you the God..."

Verse 9 reads...
"... You loved righteousness..."

Question:
Who is the YOU in both verses?

MENTION HIS NAME please.

No stories!

#challenge

Janosky:

The God of Jesus.
Proven by Jesus @ Revelation 3:12,21.

GardenOfGod:

POINT OF ORDER!!!
We were dissecting Hebrews 1:8 and 9 from your 'supposed most accurate translation,' "the New World Interlinear Translation and I have asked you questions and you have given me answers.

I used your answer to accurately analyse the Greek text and we arrived at you confirming what the New World Translation of Greek interlinear has made evidence, that Jesus is "ho Theos" (The God)


Your denial is inconsequential because the evidence is very obvious.

If we want to talk about Psalms 45:6-7, I challenge you to snapshot your New World Translation interlinear and not from any other source because you people don't trust any other translation except yours.
Snapshot Psalms 45:6 from New World Hebrews interlinear

#challenge
#challenge

Later in the evening I will bring out all the 3 confirmations you made that JESUS IS GOD

You will be surprised to see how you say that JESUS IS GOD.

But I will start with my boy MaxInDHouse.... His own confession and confirmation was quick and easy.

And you will cry like a baby

****** DEBATE VERDICT******
IN THE DEBATE ON "GREEK TEXT" INTERPRETATION OF "THEOS" = "GOD" BY MAXINDHOUSE AND JANOSKY VERSUS GARDENOFGOD

MAXINDHOUSE CONFESSED THAT JESUS IS GOD!

MaxInDHouse:
Only JEHOVAH is rendered THEON (GOD) in the Greek text but whenever it has to do with JESUS it's always THEOS (God)

Janosky:
Ho Theos is strictly JEHOVAH.
NEVER at any time applied to JESUS

NOTE: "ho" is translated "the" in the Greek Bible manuscript. Therefore, "ho Theos" means "the God"

>MaxInDHouse says Theos is Jesus
>Janosky says ho Theos
is Jehovah
>Greek Text shows ho Theos
is The God
>NWT shows Theos is God

Whatever is the case, their positions are clearly seen that they; MaxInDHouse, Janosky and The New World Translation have all admitted and Confessed that JESUS IS "GOD" and not "a god"!

HELPS Word-studies
2316 theós (of unknown origin) – properly, God, the Creator and owner of all things (Jn 1:3; Gen 1 - 3).

Long before the NT was written, 2316 (theós) referred to the supreme being who owns and sustains all things.

achorladey:
One interesting thing about this thread is that the moniker who loves dancing and going about all things Bible interlinear and Greek interpretation got into a situation that does not sit well with him.

He will just keep packing them one after the other and anyone out there will think that this moniker is an authority in this aspect . When isolated by another moniker, story changed.

Na reference thread be this.

ANOTHER ERROR OF MAXINDHOUSE AND JANOSKY
Let's read Colossians 1:16-17. Please notice the obvious error and irregularities in their New World Translation and New World original Greek interlinear Bible.

Colossians 1:16-17 (New World Translation)
16. because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.
17. Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist.
************************************

GardenOfGod:

I have shown you from your New World Translation Greek interlinear Bible that clearly shows that JESUS IS GOD! But

Since you still want to argue....

screenshot Psalms 45:6-7 in New World Hebrews Interlinear let's compare and contrast

Janosky:


[s]Very Dishonest & DUBIOUS to TWIST my comments, oh Bros Garden of LYING[/s] .

Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7,
"Thy throne given of God"

Colossians 1:16-17
New International Version

16. For in him (JESUS) all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him (JESUS) and for HIM (JESUS).
17. He is before all things, and in him (JESUS) all things hold together

ANALYSIS OF COLOSSIANS 1:16-17

* God created ALL THINGS in heaven and on Earth... Meaning without Jesus there was no God, because God is the "CREATOR OF ALL THINGS"

* God created Visible(physical systems) and invisible(spiritual systems) through Jesus... Meaning Jesus created ALL spiritual life and existence, ANGELS, including Archangel Michael, etc.

* Jesus created rulership in heaven and on earth, authority, dominions and power.... Meaning Jesus brought into existence all orderliness, government, discipline in Heaven etc.

* All things whatsoever that have been created, have been created for Jesus because He is GOD! Meaning everything in existence were created FOR HIM AND NO ONE ELSE.

* All things HOLD TOGETHER IN JESUS. Meaning without JESUS everything will collapse, everything will extinct, everything including THRONES, POWER, ANGELS, DEMONS, AUTHORITY, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE THINGS WILL BE DESTROYED!

WHO COULD THIS GREAT PERSONALITY BE IF NOT THE SOVEREIGN GOD?
JESUS IS EVERYTHING GOD!!!

Bishopkingsley:
JW logic is sick

Now let see if God created Jesus that means Jesus created God throne

Now their evil Bible said here that throne is given by God which means God created it

The logic does not make accurate sense



The only way God can create the throne is if he is Jesus since Jesus created all things

Janosky:

Is Jesus the God of his Father?

Continue LYING, Garden of LYING.
Even when he read Revelation 3:21 and Luke 1:32.
Ogidigaan of LYING.

Janosky:

Is Jesus the God of his Father?

Continue LYING, Garden of LYING.
Even when he read Revelation 3:21 and Luke 1:32.
Ogidigaan of LYING.

Janosky:


New New World Translation Bible & New World Translation interlinear & the Masoretic Text ,your public Source is saying the same thing at Psalms 45:6-7 & Hebrews 1:8.
"Thy throne given of God/God is your throne"
Your fellow Trinitarian devotees and scholars have proven the authenticity.

Garden of LYING synonymous for DUBIOUS claims.
Bros, why go to great lengths to make DUBIOUS claims?