MaxInDHouse:


OLÓDO!

But when you see someone fully competent and completely equipped to answer with efficacy you can say they're wrong, shey?

LOL.. General Maximus wetin I do you?

Hismasterpiece:

LOL.. General Maximus wetin I do you?

You people render God's word invalid with your faithlessness. Christianity is about learning from those who knows better than you, that's the only way you can gain the accurate knowledge of God not by sitting down before a motivational speaker who claims to be a pastor, and by the end of the day you want to be like him when you never humble yourself to learn from the real source!

I know LordReed very well, he will prove to you that you don't understand what you're saying on social media!

Meanwhile you said:

When the Bible talks about a person's spirit dying it doesn't mean it ceases to exist it just means that persons spirit is banished from the presence of God.

Please note that the highlighted never appear in the Bible, rather it's your Pastor's word!

MaxInDHouse:


You people render God's word invalid with your faithlessness. Christianity is about learning from those who knows better than you, that's the only way you can gain the accurate knowledge of God not by sitting down before a motivational speaker who claims to be a pastor, and by the end of the day you want to be like him when you never humble yourself to learn from the real source!

I know LordReed very well, he will prove to you that you don't understand what you're saying on social media!

Meanwhile you said:



Please note that the highlighted never appear in the Bible, rather it's your Pastor's word!

It is like I said earlier.. I don't know much about the topic... I just gave the little I know...

Hismasterpiece:

It is like I said earlier.. I don't know much about the topic... I just gave the little I know...

So next time just say your Pastors said "man's spirit use to die" not God's word! Revelations 22:18-19

MaxInDHouse:


So next time just say your Pastors said "man's spirit use to die" not God's word! Revelations 22:18-19

Same goes for you too. Next time just say watch tower society said so and so...

Kobojunkie:
According to scripture, man was created a physical being, from from clay of this earth - Genesis 2 vs 6- 7 - Man was not created a spiritual being. And God's judgement of Death against man is of the physical kind- Genesis 3 vs 19 - and so Death is defined here as a sort of reversal of the creation process where man ceases to exist, like it was before he was created.

As all men were condemned to die, this from Adam, we were , all of us, literally the walking dead.

2. Given that humans were not created spiritual beings, they can't experience spiritual death since spirits are supposedly eternal beings and in Genesis 3 vs 20 - 23 clearly explains that since man did not eat from the tree of Life, He had no eternal life of any kind.

However through Jesus Christ, man is now able to experience a birth of the Spiritual kind - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - and able to experience eternal life. Those who believe in Jesus Christ and are born again are born of spirit- the only way to enter into the Kingdom of God either through the broad gate(evil) or narrow gate(good)- Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 . And we know Spirits do not die - demons are also eternal in the New Covenant.

So the term "spiritual death" is not Biblical but born of the doctrines and traditions of men and their churches.

So basically humans who the god deems worth will be giving undying spirits?

LordReed:
So basically humans who the god deems worth will be giving undying spirits?

More like humans who chose to believe in Jesus Christ can be born of Spirit.

Hismasterpiece:


LOL.. I don't claim to have much knowledge on this subject but...

From what I know.. Adam and Eve were banished from God's manifest presence.

You see.. There are two types of God's presence that I know of.. His Manifest presence and His omnipresence.

His omnipresence means He's everywhere.. But not everywhere in the sense that He is actively involved in every event at everytime but rather nothing is hidden from His Sight and Knowledge... He witnesses everything and is aware of all that is happening. His omnipresence can't be sensed... We only believe it by faith... According to what is written...

His manifest presence is when God physically goes to a place His manifests His presence to the physical senses (smell, touch, hearing, etc).. (Like when Jesus appeared to Paul.. He didn't see Jesus but heard him)... And sometimes even to the eyes like when Jesus appeared to John in the account of the Revelation...

So to answer your question, Adam and Eve were banished from God's manifest presence.. They lost the privilege of having God walk with them in the cool of the day.. And having God bring animals to them to see what they would name them.

God's omnipresence even extends to hell. God is well aware of the punishments being metted out on sinners there... Even David wrote that if he makes his bed in hell God is there and there is nowhere he can go to evade God's Spirit.

This is the best answer I can think of with my level of understanding.

If that were so how come they still heard the god walking in the garden? The god was not really manifesting, he was tricking them?

Kobojunkie:
More like humans who chose to believe in Jesus Christ can be born of Spirit.

So right now humans have no spirit?

LordReed:
So right now humans have no spirit?

According to God, who already stated earlier in Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7 that man was created a physical being - from the clay of this earth - man was kicked out of the garden of Eden, by Him, to prevent him, man, from acquiring eternal life, that which we associate with all spirits.

22 The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.” - Genesis 3 vs 22

Jesus Christ then clarifies God's statement in Genesis when, in the Gospel of John, He declared that the only birth we experience when born into this world is of the physical kind, and so this is reason why He stated that those believe need to be born-again in order to gain eternal life in His Kingdom.

5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” - John 3 vs 5 - 8

So, following what is written in scripture, whatever spirit humans(outside of Jesus Christ) claim to have, they were not born with.

Ofcourse what some refer to as spirit may just be their consciousness.

Hismasterpiece:

Same goes for you too. Next time just say watch tower society said so and so...

The clear difference is that i will quote the Bible verse that says whatever i say unlike you so mine can always be found in the Bible while you only mimick what your pastor say!

LordReed:


If that were so how come they still heard the god walking in the garden? The god was not really manifesting, he was tricking them?

That was right before God chased them out.. at that time they were just about to receive judgement for their transgression.. so my explanation still stands..

Hismasterpiece:


That was right before God chased them out.. at that time they were just about to receive judgement for their transgression.. so my explanation still stands..

So they were not dead after eating the fruit?

LordReed:


So they were not dead after eating the fruit?

They were dead but still in the garden.. the only reason God gave them that privilege was cuz they were in the garden... there's no record of them having that privilege after they left the garden..

Hismasterpiece:

They were dead but still in the garden.. the only reason God gave them that privilege was cuz they were in the garden... there's no record of them having that privilege after they left the garden..

So how did their spirit die and they're still alive for more than 900 years to have children? Genesis 5:5

When the Bible talks about a person's spirit dying it doesn't mean it ceases to exist it just means that persons spirit is banished from the presence of God.

Hismasterpiece:


They were dead but still in the garden.. the only reason God gave them that privilege was cuz they were in the garden... there's no record of them having that privilege after they left the garden..

So what about Cain?

Kobojunkie:
According to God, who already stated earlier in Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7 that man was created a physical being - from the clay of this earth - man was kicked out of the garden of Eden, by Him, to prevent him, man, from acquiring eternal life, that which we associate with all spirits.

Jesus Christ then clarifies God's statement in Genesis when, in the Gospel of John, He declared that the only birth we experience when born into this world is of the physical kind, and so this is reason why He stated that those believe need to be born-again in order to gain eternal life in His Kingdom.
So, following what is written in scripture, whatever spirit humans(outside of Jesus Christ) claim to have, they were not born with.

Ofcourse what some refer to as spirit may just be their consciousness.

You are not sure of what a spirit is but you claim to know it can exist


If your consciousness is the spirit,then it cannot exist separately.

Hismasterpiece:

It is like I said earlier.. I don't know much about the topic... I just gave the little I know...

When Churchgoers lie without feeling remorseful it reveals the SECRET PERSON that's in them! John 8:44

The topic of this particular thread is:

"A Very False Christian Believe About The Afterlife"

Any Nairalander checking the board on this religion section that come across this topic will feel he/she could get the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of what the Bible teaches on this but then the moniker behind the topic said:

"I don't know much about the topic"

One could now wonder, how then could he have said something is FALSE if he himself is not sure of what the Bible really TEACH?

Jesus has said it all:

Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit! Matthew 15:14

MaxInDHouse:


When Churchgoers lie without feeling remorseful it reveals the SECRET PERSON that's in them! John 8:44

The topic of this particular thread is:

"A Very False Christian Believe About The Afterlife"

Any Nairalander checking the board on this religion section that come across this topic will feel he/she could get the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of what the Bible teaches on this but then the moniker behind the topic said:

"I don't know much about the topic"

One could now wonder, how then could he have said something is FALSE if he himself is not sure of what the Bible really TEACH?

Jesus has said it all:

Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit! Matthew 15:14

This guy... I wasn't referring to the topic of the thread... LordReed asked me a separate question related to the topic about which i don't now much... and neither do you too cuz the answer you gave was waaaayyyyy off... you notice he didn't even reply you.

At least i was honest about it... unlike you

LordReed:


So what about Cain?

what about him?

Hismasterpiece:


what about him?

How could he hear the god and be banished if he was already spiritually dead according to you.

LordReed:


How could he hear the god and be banished if he was already spiritually dead according to you.

Like i said earlier... my understanding of the topic related to your question is minimal

Hismasterpiece:


Like i said earlier... my understanding of the topic related to your question is minimal

Another question, if a Christian lives all their life without experiencing “the manifest presence of god” does that mean they are spiritually dead? Have you experienced “the manifest presence of god”?

Hismasterpiece:
Please avoid false teachings.

People don't cease to exist when they die. We are spirits who have souls and live in bodies. 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

When a believer dies he goes to be with the Lord in Heaven. 2 Cor 5:1, 8. Phil 1:23.

Where they get this false notion that a person ceases to exist is from Genesis 3:19 where God told Adam that he was dust and would return back to dust because he ate the fruit.

God didn't mean that he would cease to exist, he was just telling him he would die physically as a direct consequence of him dying spiritually because he ate the fruit.

And they conveniently ignore Genesis 2:7 where God breathed into man and he became a living being.


The word for BREATH in the Hebrew and Greek is the same word for SPIRIT.

So man became a living being when God put a spirit inside him.

The Bible said Animals have the same spirit. Will you change the meaning now ?

And they also ignore the warning in Genesis 2:16-17.

God said the DAY that he ate the fruit he would Die. But when Adam ate the fruit he didn't die physically until many years later.


What does that mean? Does that mean that God lied? Of course not. The DAY that our parents ate the forbidden fruit THEY DIED. That's the real them... Their spirit.

God is the Father of spirits Heb 12:9. And Adam is called the Son of God Luke 3:38. God is a Spirit John 4:24. Therefore Adam is a Spirit who was put inside a body.

So spirit is the real person, that means the real Jesus didn't die for anyone. Na ordinary flesh die. Do you see you are preaching something from the devil ?

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Splinz:


Sorry you missed it. It was all sarcasm.

Oh nice

Hismasterpiece:


This guy... I wasn't referring to the topic of the thread... LordReed asked me a separate question related to the topic about which i don't now much... and neither do you too cuz the answer you gave was waaaayyyyy off... you notice he didn't even reply you.

At least i was honest about it... unlike you

LordReed?
Reply me?

O mọ ọkọ ìyá ẹ̀, kò jẹ́ f'orí ọká họ imú!

Do you know how many times i've intelligently silenced him with mild-temper and deep respect?
He decided to avoid me because i told him i'm not interested in some useless, worthless and hopeless arguments the last time he purposely invited me to join in a thread that has nothing to do with God's word!

So he knows and respects higher intelligence but he's interest is to mock you since he could easily find the flaws in your teaching!

HellVictorinho:
You are not sure of what a spirit is but you claim to know it can exist
If your consciousness is the spirit,then it cannot exist separately.

How did you reach the conclusion that I am not certain what a spirit is?

Your consciousness is not spirit... it is just that, you consciousness. And what you said about existing separately, I don't follow at all.

MaxInDHouse:


LordReed?
Reply me?

O mọ ọkọ ìyá ẹ̀, kò jẹ́ f'orí ọká họ imú!

Do you know how many times i've intelligently silenced him with mild-temper and deep respect?
He decided to avoid me because i told him i'm not interested in some useless, worthless and hopeless arguments the last time he purposely invited me to join in a thread that has nothing to do with God's word!

So he knows and respects higher intelligence but he's interest is to mock you since he could easily find the flaws in your teaching!

Why do you like twisting the tale just make yourself look good? I did not invite you to that thread it was someone else nor have you silenced me, I am just bored with your bullcrap stories.

Kobojunkie:
How did you reach the conclusion that I am not certain what a spirit is?

Your consciousness is not spirit... it is just that, you consciousness. And what you said about existing separately, I don't follow at all.

. What is a spirit?

LordReed:
. What is a spirit?

A spirit is a being of some kind not restricted in much the same way as the human consciousness is.

Kobojunkie:
A spirit is a being of some kind not restricted in much the same way as the human consciousness is.

So according to what you told me earlier, humans will be made into a different sort of being, spirits as you said?