eph12:

Lol try dey read. At Everton, he's talking about replacing the likes of James and Sig. I'm forced to ask if you understand football positions and roles

In case you don't still understand, Donny is not a DM

Oh, I mentioned Fred.

Sorry

Expert17:


Oh, I mentioned Fred.

Sorry

eph12:

You're making this about McFred and that's the problem. I'm not fixed on those two players, I'm looking at the roles on the pitch and how important they have been in the matches we have won under Ole. At the end of the day, Matic & McT/VDB will give you same thing. But if you think because it's Matic, then Tom or VDB can go camp in the opposition box, you're in for a huge shock

the personnel quality is not the same.
AWB and Dalot will play right back with different qualities. they will both still be right backs.
Matic will always be more creative with his passing than Fred in the same DM position.
Cavani will always press better and make more runs in behind than Martial from the CF position. it doesn't change that both will function as CF.
not exactly sure what you mean by 'roles on the pitch'.

ChristineC:
the personnel quality is not the same.
AWB and Dalot will play right back with different qualities. they will both still be right backs.
Matic will always be more creative with his passing than Fred in the same DM position.
Cavani will always press better and make more runs in behind than Martial from the CF position. it doesn't change that both will function as CF.
not exactly sure what you mean by 'roles on the pitch'.

When you look at Giroud in the french team, he's the CF but what was his role? His role was to hold the ball and allow others run in. Benzema as a striker won't function same way as when Ronaldo is on the pitch or when he's not. Though his position is the CF, his role changes.

With Matic and Cavani and all the others, will the team press as a unit and play as they should when they're not with the ball? Will the team stop being in a hurry to lose the ball?

eph12:

When you look at Giroud in the french team, he's the CF but what was his role? His role was to hold the ball and allow others run in. Benzema as a striker won't function same way as when Ronaldo is on the pitch or when he's not. Though his position is the CF, his role changes.

With Matic and Cavani and all the others, will the team press as a unit and play as they should when they're not with the ball? Will the team stop being in a hurry to lose the ball?

like I have said before, a good manager will select players on what they can do in peculiar formations he decides to employ.
let's take Fred for example; the only reason he gets on the pitch is because he has the engine to put himself about all game. yes he gets dribbled a whole lot but still an irritant to some opponents depending on tactic...
in a 4-4-2 diamond for example, that attribute is a waste of space especially when that's about all he has in his locker. some say he's good at freekicks but that becomes unimportant when 1001 others in the team can take it.
the featured DM and double CM here will have much less space to cover in midfield, therefore the manager will or should prioritize more fitting qualities.
Matic has better positioning, press resistant, better passing, more useful defending set pieces and even more of a goal threat.
McTominay has better presence, goal threat and offers genuine option on set pieces in both boxes.
VDB has better vision, recycle possession better and also a goal threat.
Pogba has better passing, useful at set pieces and goal contribution threat as well.
so, except for injuries, playing Fred in this set up will only amount to a waste of quality.
remember this is only an illustration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3hg5SUZCNQ

ChristineC:

like I have said before, a good manager will select players on what they can do in peculiar formations he decides to employ.
let's take Fred for example; the only reason he gets on the pitch is because he has the engine to put himself about all game. yes he gets dribbled a whole lot but still an irritant to some opponents depending on tactic...
in a 4-4-2 diamond for example, that attribute is a waste of space especially when that's about all he has in his locker. some say he's good at freekicks but that becomes unimportant when 1001 others in the team can take it.
the featured DM and double CM here will have much less space to cover in midfield, therefore the manager will or should prioritize more important qualities.
Matic has better positioning, press resistant, passing, more useful defending set pieces and even more of a goal threat.
McTominay has better presence, goal threat and offers genuine option on set pieces in both boxes.
VDB has better vision, recycle possession better and also a goal threat.
Pogba has better passing, useful at set pieces and goal contribution threat as well.
so, except for injuries, playing Fred in this set up will only amount to a waste of quality.
remember this is only an illustration.

You too sabi this football thing for a Nigerian ... wait, you're a woman abi?

melodyogonna:

Did he block the transfer because "he know he is not going to play him" or because "he is in his plans"? We need depth, especially in our midfield. We can't allow the good players will have to just leave. VdB will get his chances, he has not particularly impressed me when he played at AM so I hope the chances he gets now will be at CM.

We need depth yet VDB hasn't played a game even though he was available for the preseason and played in those preseason games. How would you feel if a player who didn't participate in the preseason gets the nod ahead of you upon return at the beginning of the season? Does it in any way show Ole trust him or counts on him?

Expert17:


Oh, I mentioned Fred.

Sorry

Hehehe This one is funny.

Bailly should have been sold.

patrickmuf:
We need depth yet VDB hasn't played a game even though he was available for the preseason and played in those preseason games. How would you feel if a player who didn't participate in the preseason gets the nod ahead of you upon return at the beginning of the season? Does it in any way show Ole trust him or counts on him?

Nawa oo. It's just 3 games into a long season. The club is more than feelings, the manager has already assured the player he is very much in his plans

melodyogonna:

Nawa oo. It's just 3 games into a long season. The club is more than feelings, the manager has already assured the player he is very much in his plans

Did you read or listen to what his agent said?

patrickmuf:
Did you read or listen to what his agent said?

The agent felt his client wouldn't get much game time at Man utd because Ronaldo got signed and Pogba is going to getting moved to the central midfield, so he wanted to move him to Everton where their AMs are facing injury crises which he feels guarantees regular game time for his client yes I read what the agent said.

melodyogonna:

The agent felt his client wouldn't get much game time at Man utd because Ronaldo got signed and Pogba is going to getting moved to the central midfield, so he wanted to move him to Everton where their AMs are facing injury crises which he feels guarantees regular game time for his client yes I read what the agent said.

So, why do you choose to argue otherwise? Is it that you didn't comprehend what he was on about?

VDB did the preseason and it's only expected he starts the season but Ole has since reneged on his words, is that not a call for concern, though early?

patrickmuf:
So, why do you choose to argue otherwise? Is it that you didn't comprehend what he was on about?

VDB did the preseason and it's only expected he starts the season but Ole has since reneged on his words, is that not a call for concern, though early?

How has Ole reneged on his words? It's still 3 games in, rotations are going to happen.

He should worry more about being ready to take his chances when he gets them. The manager has already reassured him he's going to get his chances.

melodyogonna:

How has Ole reneged on his words? It's still 3 games in, rotations are going to happen.

He should worry more about being ready to take his chances when he gets them. The manager has already reassured him he's going to get his chances.

We'll come back here..

Works never stop.

Getting sharp and fitter, coz it's gonna be a long season.

Grinding until its sharply ready to cut anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3hg5SUZCNQ

ChristineC:

like I have said before, a good manager will select players on what they can do in peculiar formations he decides to employ.
let's take Fred for example; the only reason he gets on the pitch is because he has the engine to put himself about all game. yes he gets dribbled a whole lot but still an irritant to some opponents depending on tactic...
in a 4-4-2 diamond for example, that attribute is a waste of space especially when that's about all he has in his locker. some say he's good at freekicks but that becomes unimportant when 1001 others in the team can take it.
the featured DM and double CM here will have much less space to cover in midfield, therefore the manager will or should prioritize more fitting qualities.
Matic has better positioning, press resistant, better passing, more useful defending set pieces and even more of a goal threat.
McTominay has better presence, goal threat and offers genuine option on set pieces in both boxes.
VDB has better vision, recycle possession better and also a goal threat.
Pogba has better passing, useful at set pieces and goal contribution threat as well.
so, except for injuries, playing Fred in this set up will only amount to a waste of quality.
remember this is only an illustration.

I understand your point here. However I'm not sure how this relates to what we're discussing.

My point is that, no matter the personnel, we'll need CDMs that can keep up with opponents because of the way we easily lose the balls in attack. No one player in this team can do that currently. Not Matic, not Tom, not Fred, not Donny. Our press gets beaten easily and before you say Jack Robinson, they're in our half. Especially when you consider that the FB may be higher up the pitch at that point, that's a big problem for just a single DM. This happens a lot in our matches. That's why I think using two very defensively aware midfielders is the way to go. Ole will be very mad to change that and it will hurt him. Even in a 352 where you expect the WBs to join the attack, you need the two CM there to be very defensively aware. Using a 442 will be madness in today's football, I don't care the players you have in your team. Your midfield gets over run, you're finished.

To be very clear, I'm kinda particular about how we show up when we're without the ball. What are we doing to get the ball back?

melodyogonna:

How has Ole reneged on his words? It's still 3 games in, rotations are going to happen.

He should worry more about being ready to take his chances when he gets them. The manager has already reassured him he's going to get his chances.

He sits on the bench most most times but you expect him to be ready to put up a world class performance the day he is called upon. You think every player is like Rosicky/Reus/Messi/Cazorla that will perform whenever they're called upon even if they haven't played a competitive match for ages? You don't utilize a player yet you expect him to take his chance when you decide to field him prolly in a dead rubber game with others who hardly get a look in...Abegi!!!

Oasis007:


He didn't say anything bad to be honest. Donny is a cool Guy and a great Player. He comes to United at a wrong time in his Career. Ole ain't gonna play him, he ain't gonna even be on the Bench in some Matches, then why shouldn't he go on loan?

He had opportunity to join a premier League Club. Great opportunity to develop his game, his strength and stamina, yet Ole blew it away. That's bullshit to me, very unfair to the Lad.

Lol. Ole? Ask Romero! Behind those smiles, lie a mean hearted soul.

If clubs were head over heels for Romero why is he still a free agent?.

Lindelof's agent will soon start talking

#OleOUT
#EndOLE
#OleMustGo
#EndOLECluelessness
#SackTheFraud
#KillTheBasterd
#KillTheBasterd
#KillTheBasterd

patrickmuf:
He sits on the bench most most times but you expect him to be ready to put up a world class performance the day he is called upon. You think every player is like Rosicky/Reus/Messi/Cazorla that will perform whenever they're called upon even if they haven't played a competitive match for ages? You don't utilize a player yet you expect him to take his chance when you decide to field him prolly in a dead rubber game with others who hardly get a look in...Abegi!!!

If he doesn't feature in the next 2 matches then I might start agreeing with you that he's probably not in the manager's plan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeHKaLEnl4g
This comp shows he can actually drive and dribble with the ball. So all those safe safe passes na cos he never settle

Oasis007:


Getting sharp and fitter, coz it's gonna be a long season.

Why does this man look like he's about to tackle himself?

elrony:


Why does this man look like he's about to tackle himself?

What this man achieved at 18, 90% of the world can't achieved it. Stop hating on the dude.