oyatz:



This is not about the war canoe houses and the question he asked.


Your line of defence is similar to Chief Jim Nwobodo declaring before the PDP delegates at the 1999 Jos Convention that he himself is also a Northerner and he gave his speech in Hausa Language.

So what question was he answering?


Did you also recognize the significance of the men wearing Igbo traditional hat, in that boat in readiness for the oat regatta competition?

HornyTave:
[s]the same Ile Ife that didn't exist until Oduduwa deposed Obatala, whose grandson ( Oranmiyan) started the Oba dynasty in Bini. its like saying, Ife went into the past to give names to Igodomigodo insignias. ( I don't understand how the future gave names to the past )

There were 35 kings in Igodomigodo before the advent of Oranmiyan.
you keep on fabricating stories.
Ogiso dynasty predates Ile Ife and Oranmiyan ( the Oba confirmed it )


The Ada wasn't a farming tool or a War tool also, so the Opia conjunction doesn't hold here. They were symbols of AUTHORITY.

A quick search on Google confirmed the botanical name of Abere is 'Picralima nitida' also known as ' Osu ' in Edo and 'Nkpokiri' in Ibo. lol ( whats your definition of your distorted ' Abere '?) Mhen
Ishan calls leaves Evben or Ehbe ( whats leave in yoruba?)[/s]

What in the crap is the above mumble-jumble for Lord’s sake??

I understand it’s sometimes tough for a typical Bini to make use of their brain. So, I get what’s going on.

(1) Your dad (or whoever) said Ile-Ife didn’t exist until Oduduwa’s days — but as a 13 year old boy you fail to make use of brain to understand that Obatala who was one of the kings comes from a certain lineage of pre-Oduduwa kings of Ife. People like you make me almost weep for the future of Nigerian education.

(2) You must read with your eyes open and stop being foolish to yourself. I made it clear that your idea that Ogiso Ere (2nd Ogiso) introduced Ada & Eben insignias to Benin is not found in any classical Benin writing — except in recent times on Benin blogs & neighborhood Benin stories.

Moreover, according to the earliest native Bini writings—again Benin (NOT YORUBA) sources— Ogiso monarchy was introduced to Benin from Ife at the time of Oduduwa.

In other words, according to the classic Benin sources (NOT recent Benin blogs), Ogiso didn’t begin prior to Oduduwa.

(3) No one said “Ada” (as used by the Bini) is a farming tool. What I educated you on is that the word Ada has no meaning in Benin language.

Cutlass in Bini is Opia (or Ixo). Sword Bini is Betebete.
Ada is a Yoruba word, hence its usage w.r.t. monarchy of Benin in Benin.

I am shocked that you’re checking the botanical name of Abere (a state sword-like object). Can dumbness be worse than that? Go back to the point I made about Eben Abere and read again but this time with your eyes open.

Yoruba call it Abere till date. Binis used to call it Ebere. But the Binis now call it Eben. Why the change?

Use your brain. It’s possible even though you’re from Benin kingdom.

TAO11:
What in the crap is the above mumble-jumble for Lord’s sake??

I understand it’s sometimes tough for a typical Bini to make use of their brain. So, I get what’s going on.

(1) Your dad (or whoever) said Ile-Ife didn’t exist until Oduduwa’s days — but as a 13 year old boy you fail to make use of brain to understand that Obatala who was one of the kings comes from a certain lineage of pre-Oduduwa kings of Ife. People like you make me almost weep for the future of Nigerian education.

(2) You must read with your eyes open and stop being foolish to yourself. I made it clear that your idea that Ogiso Ere (2nd Ogiso) introduced Ada & Eben insignias to Benin is not found in any classical Benin writing — except in recent times on Benin blogs & neighborhood Benin stories.

Moreover, according to the earliest native Bini writings—again Benin (NOT YORUBA) sources— Ogiso monarchy was introduced to Benin from Ife at the time of Oduduwa.

In other words, according to the classic Benin sources (NOT recent Benin blogs), Ogiso didn’t begin prior to Oduduwa.

(3) No one said “Ada” (as used by the Bini) is a farming tool. What I educated you on is that the word Ada has no meaning in Benin language.

Cutlass in Bini is Opia (or Ixo). Sword Bini is Betebete.
Ada is a Yoruba word, hence its usage w.r.t. monarchy of Benin in Benin.

I am shocked that you’re checking the botanical name of Abere (a state sword-like object). Can dumbness be worse than that? Go back to the point I made about Eben Abere and read again but this time with your eyes open.

Yoruba call it Abere till date. Binis used to call it Ebere. But the Binis now call it Eben. Why the change?

Use your brain. It’s possible even though you’re from Benin kingdom.

name the Ooni before Obatala or forever keep shut.
You always mention classical Bini writings without proofs. if they check am well, you haven't been to Edo State.
I'm not vulgar so I won't stoop low to your level.

You're yet to mention names and date of Oonis that predate Obatala.
whats the meaning of Ebere in edoid language?


before I even continue this discussion, can you tell me why the Esans dont use Eben and Ada?

TAO11:
What in the crap is the above mumble-jumble for Lord’s sake??

I understand it’s sometimes tough for a typical Bini to make use of their brain. So, I get what’s going on.

(1) Your dad (or whoever) said Ile-Ife didn’t exist until Oduduwa’s days — but as a 13 year old boy you fail to make use of brain to understand that Obatala who was one of the kings comes from a certain lineage of pre-Oduduwa kings of Ife. People like you make me almost weep for the future of Nigerian education.

(2) You must read with your eyes open and stop being foolish to yourself. I made it clear that your idea that Ogiso Ere (2nd Ogiso) introduced Ada & Eben insignias to Benin is not found in any classical Benin writing — except in recent times on Benin blogs & neighborhood Benin stories.

Moreover, according to the earliest native Bini writings—again Benin (NOT YORUBA) sources— Ogiso monarchy was introduced to Benin from Ife at the time of Oduduwa.

In other words, according to the classic Benin sources (NOT recent Benin blogs), Ogiso didn’t begin prior to Oduduwa.

(3) No one said “Ada” (as used by the Bini) is a farming tool. What I educated you on is that the word Ada has no meaning in Benin language.

Cutlass in Bini is Opia (or Ixo). Sword Bini is Betebete.
Ada is a Yoruba word, hence its usage w.r.t. monarchy of Benin in Benin.

I am shocked that you’re checking the botanical name of Abere (a state sword-like object). Can dumbness be worse than that? Go back to the point I made about Eben Abere and read again but this time with your eyes open.

Yoruba call it Abere till date. Binis used to call it Ebere. But the Binis now call it Eben. Why the change?

Use your brain. It’s possible even though you’re from Benin kingdom.

Mention the books you read, I know some,libraries to get old,history books.

I neee names and authors.

Shokoloko:


It is impossible that slaves will be allowed to form a cult

It is impossible that a deity of the slaves would be allowed to roam the village swallowing children

Why would the King Opubo Pepple refer to the Ibo sacred reptile as "his" fetish or juju?

You should ask the imbecil.e in what world slaves are allowed to have kings

CXLVII:



One in a million.


Go to the market square and scream Opobo`s are Igbo and see if beating wont gum you.

Better still, You can also walk up to an Ikwerre settlement to tell them they are Igbo`s


Hope you have bought your burial space at Ikoyi vault.

Why would any sensible person go to the market and start screaming?

oyatz:


RobbStark asked a simple question that you should name the War Canoes houses of Opobo that are Igbos but you are saying what's unrelated.

I really do not have time for them cos their rant na here e end..

They own everywhere in Naija but when e be, them go run go east crying that they have list everything.
They are yet to learn their lesson
Same way they claim Ph is Ibo land yet they were driven out.

I am waiting for their new thread as day break.
Mumu people

HornyTave:


I don't understand Ibo.
Ive lived amongst them right from 2016, a pause in 2017 and from late 2018 till now.
Its what they told me ive said.

besides, I'll tour the east soon, I hope to learn the origin of the Ibos,

How exactly do you plan to do this?

Ekealterego:

Have you checked my thread on Igbo topics or past posts? I come with scholarly receipts and facts. I brought into circulation with Bkayy many of the old academic excerpts going round with sound well documented history.

And well, 2015 was the height of that mudslinging contest.

Channel your rants well.

Ok, I’ve heard. Cheers

oyatz:



Stop writing things that aren't relevant to the question he asked; list the War Canoes houses of Opobo that are Igbo?

Hope you won’t run for cover if we begin to list them. Let me even shock you, virtually all the war Canoe house in Opobo are Igbo. If that is what you want to hear. Some with typical Igbo names and others with English/Portuguese originated names.

HornyTave:
name the Ooni before Obatala or forever keep shut.
You always mention classical Bini writings without proofs. if they check am well, you haven't been to Edo State.
I'm not vulgar so I won't stoop low to your level.

You're yet to mention names and date of Oonis that predate Obatala.
whats the meaning of Ebere in edoid language?


before I even continue this discussion, can you tell me why the Esans dont use Eben and Ada?

Yes, I will educate you on every single question you want to me to educate you on.

But I need to know the significance your question to what I’m currently educating you on.

Please tell me the significance of the names of pre-Obatala kings so I can see the relevance of the names to the conversation before I expend my time.

I am waiting.
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PS: Ooni is a later title. Obatala is not an Ooni, despite being a King.

Eberen is not an Edoid word. It’s the older Bini name of leaf-like state word, and it comes from the Yoruba word Abere for the same object.

HornyTave:

Mention the books you read, I know some,libraries to get old,history books.

I neee names and authors.

Books? Bini people read books?

Is it not Edo blogs that you all gulp? LMAO!

Refer to H. Ling Roth’s “Great Benin: Its Art, Customs and Horrors,” (1903) for example, to see the original Bini word for what you all have now distorted to Eben.

RobbStark:


I really do not have time for them cos their rant na here e end..

They own everywhere in Naija but when e be, them go run go east crying that they have list everything.
They are yet to learn their lesson
Same way they claim Ph is Ibo land yet they were driven out.

I am waiting for their new thread as day break.
Mumu people

They often fail to learn from the mistakes of the past.


They ought to learn from the events of 1967-1970 and build on the positive aspects while discarding the negative aspects.

HornyTave:


can you make a scenario narrative how Oranmiyan seized/captured the throne without a fight?

This is not the bone of contention.


My point is that Oranmiyan wasn't one of the Ogisos. There was even a an interregum between the Ogiso ere and the Advent of Obaship when Igodomingodo became a Republic before transforming into Ile-Ibinu , Ubini and finally Bini Empire

BiafraAburi:

DUMBO, I CLEARLY MENTIONED "RED WAR CAP" WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE TALKING YOUR CONTRAPTION CRAP.

I don’t want to watch the video. Post a picture of a red war cap (what is it called in your native tongue, I know what eti aja is in yoruba) let’s see what is looks like, and show proof it’s not a recent cultural identity and that Igbos invented it. Yes, I’m a dumbo on this matter, please educate me, I want to learn sumtin.

oyatz:

This is not the bone of contention.


My point is that Oranmiyan wasn't one of the Ogisos. There was even a an interregum between the Ogiso ere and the Advent of Obaship when Igodomingodo became a Republic before transforming into Ile-Ibinu , Ubini and finally Bini Empire

yes. there was one or two custodian.
Kings are not made, they are born. This is the believe of an average Edoid man, reason deposing a king will be near impossible

TAO11:
Books? Bini people read books?

Is it not Edo blogs that you all gulp? LMAO!

Refer to H. Ling Roth’s “Great Benin: Its Art, Customs and Horrors,” (1903) for example, to see the original Bini word for what you all have now distorted to Eben.

So it's a book of 1903 you're shouting Classical? mtchew... abeg no,mention me again, stay your lane.

Listen to ibo song sung by opobo people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCzLyETw1ys

TAO11:
Yes, I will educate you on every single question you want to me to educate you on.

But I need to know the significance your question to what I’m currently educating you on.

Please tell me the significance of the names of pre-Obatala kings so I can see the relevance of the names to the conversation before I expend my time.

I am waiting.
——————
PS: Ooni is a later title. Obatala is not an Ooni, despite being a King.

Eberen is not an Edoid word. It’s the older Bini name of leaf-like state word, and it comes from the Yoruba word Abere for the same object.

I can name the Ogisos before Oranmiyan.

Is Oranmiyan not the last/grandson of Oduduwa, who deposed Obatala? Though the Yorubas has different versions of how Oduduwa came about depending on which fabrication they want to anchor.

there has been 51 Oonis in Ife
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/all-51-oonis-of-ile-ife-in-history
there has been 73 rulers of Igodo/Bini.

I'm yet to ask you which of the version you believe about Oduduwa cause I know of 2. An average yoruba Muslim loves the other version.

for learning purposes, pls attach date and time frame of when these Oonis ruled. especially the ones before Obatala

melodyogonna:

How exactly do you plan to do this?

very easy.

In Edo, Community has shrines and most times that's where you find pure history.
don't go to Awka to find history, go to the villages and rural areas.

TAO11:
Books? Bini people read books?

Is it not Edo blogs that you all gulp? LMAO!

Refer to H. Ling Roth’s “Great Benin: Its Art, Customs and Horrors,” (1903) for example, to see the original Bini word for what you all have now distorted to Eben.

Listing Ooni will be too hard for you

Narrate the History of how Oduduwa came about.

HornyTave:
Listing Ooni will be too hard for you

Narrate the History of how Oduduwa came about.

Tell me the story of how Pa Idu grew from the soil, and the story of how parrots began to speak.

Shebi you don’t have sense to tell me the relevance of your questions to the education I’m giving you free.

HornyTave:
I can name the Ogisos before Oranmiyan.

Is Oranmiyan not the last/grandson of Oduduwa, who deposed Obatala? Though the Yorubas has different versions of how Oduduwa came about depending on which fabrication they want to anchor.

there has been 51 Oonis in Ife
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/all-51-oonis-of-ile-ife-in-history
there has been 73 rulers of Igodo/Bini.

I'm yet to ask you which of the version you believe about Oduduwa cause I know of 2. An average yoruba Muslim loves the other version.

for learning purposes, pls attach date and time frame of when these Oonis ruled. especially the ones before Obatala

Tell me the story of how Ogiso dropped from the sky and how Pa Idu grew from the soil. Tell me about how parrots began to speak, and when horses first learnt to run.


I’m asking all these questions because you’re asking me question which you’re yet to explain their relevance to the education I was dishing to you free.

I will educate you on probably anything you want to know in this life, but if I must educate you on any inquiry you put to me, you must also explain how your question relate to the education you’re receiving at the moment.

I want to believe you have a working brain. So make use of it NOW. How old are you by the way?

HornyTave:

So it's a book of 1903 you're shouting Classical? mtchew... abeg no,mention me again, stay your lane.

Why did your people change from Ebere in the 1800s (and earlier) to Eben in the 1900s and latter? What are your daddies trying to hide?

These are the questions y’all should be holding your kings responsible for.

OfoIgbo:


I want you to access this YouTube video. Start to watch from 5:30, as I need you to observe the Ijaw fedora hats those canoe people are wearing. Now from 6:00, listen to the interviewee mention some of the participants in the Opobo boat regatta competition, which includes OJEZULIGBO, OKWUEME,. OBIEFULE e.t.c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6pvy66l_4E&t=368s


Anyway, the most popular politician in Opobo has already declared the Igboness of Opobo so you lot are wasting time

After watching the video, it is futile to argue the igboness or non thereof of Opobo.

Any Ijaw minion who is looking for land to grab should look elsewhere.

TAO11:
Why did your people change from Ebere in the 1800s (and earlier) to Eben in the 1900s and latter? What are your daddies trying to hide?

These are the questions y’all should be holding your kings responsible for.

1. If them check am well you cant speak the Bini language.
2. As An Edoid man, I don't know the meaning of Ebere, I can make meaning to Eben/Evben
3. Many words were corrupted by the British. They corrupted Urhomoun to Uromi..
4. Many words are lost. I know of a guy whose grand father named in late 80s, till now baba still deh find the meaning.
5. I would advise to leave your Village and Visit Bini, I'll recommend Usen, Uselu and Ovia as places for you to,make research on. Also their Ohen is best place to start from.

History is not by fabrication or claiming I senior you but to learn and appreciate the past,

TAO11:
Tell me the story of how Ogiso dropped from the sky and how Pa Idu grew from the soil. Tell me about how parrots began to speak, and when horses first learnt to run.


I’m asking all these questions because you’re asking me question which you’re yet to explain their relevance to the education I was dishing to you free.

I will educate you on probably anything you want to know in this life, but if I must educate you on any inquiry you put to me, you must also explain how your question relate to the education you’re receiving at the moment.

I want to believe you have a working brain. So make use of it NOW. How old are you by the way?

I'm down at your level.

History has it Oduduwa was the first Ooni, History also has it there have been 51 Oonis in Ile Ife. lol

The History of the Yorubas by Samuel L Johnson will clarify your lies.

if you don't have the book, drop your mail, I'll send it.

for my age, I'm 11 yrs old.

TAO11:
Tell me the story of how Pa Idu grew from the soil, and the story of how parrots began to speak.

Shebi you don’t have sense to tell me the relevance of your questions to the education I’m giving you free.

Now you want to know relevance to stupid narratives? Lol.

Your likes resort to curses when they cant defend their fabrications and lies.

Hope you know the Ugbo yoroboid sub group owned Ife before the coming of Oduduwa from the EAST?

HornyTave:
[s]Now you want to know relevance to stupid narratives? Lol.

Your likes resort to curses when they cant defend their fabrications and lies.

Hope you know the Ugbo yoroboid sub group owned Ife before the coming of Oduduwa from the EAST[/s]

Yes tell me the relevance of your self-admitted stupid (and false) narratives to the education I was dishing to you.

And I would continue education you as soon as you do that. And free of charge as well.