Hismasterpiece:


You don't need to test that. It is obvious.

The more reasonable queston is which is the true way to God? Islam? Christianity?

A god is not obvious to me. What it means is you didn't test for the existence of a god then, you simply accepted it.

Hismasterpiece:


Can you tell me something else if you don't mind. Something that you know you had no hand in. Something that you know just had to be God.

No. First I don't know what you mean by that since I considered just about every good outcome to be something the god brought about and secondly I don't know what your point is. If the ones I have stated already are not enough for you to make your point then you'll have to find another way to make it.

LordReed:


A god is not obvious to me. What it means is you didn't test for the existence of a god then, you simply accepted it.

We cannot all test for stuff in the same way. You test for God in the science laboratory. i never had to test for my parents or siblings in the laboratory, i saw and see good reasons to eternally accept them. i don't require a DNA or certificate or even resemblance to know it. i am aware that some people do but i don't. It was so obvious someone created me and all things and it wasn't a human being. It has been so obvious the supernatural answers to prayers around me over the years till date. But like i said, we're not all the same.

Image123:


We cannot all test for stuff in the same way. You test for God in the science laboratory. i never had to test for my parents or siblings in the laboratory, i saw and see good reasons to eternally accept them. i don't require a DNA or certificate or even resemblance to know it. i am aware that some people do but i don't. It was so obvious someone created me and all things and it wasn't a human being. It has been so obvious the supernatural answers to prayers around me over the years till date. But like i said, we're not all the same.

Exactly, I wasn't the one who who said they tested things. Hismasterpiece was the one who said he tests things, I then asked him how he tested for a god.

LordReed:


No. First I don't know what you mean by that since I considered just about every good outcome to be something the god brought about and secondly I don't know what your point is. If the ones I have stated already are not enough for you to make your point then you'll have to find another way to make it.

The things that you've mentioned had you involved in them. i'm asking for you to tell me something that you had no hand in, something that you just had to know that God and God alone did.

By the way, the family members that you prayed for to accept Christ who did, are they still Christians or are they now like you?

LordReed:


A god is not obvious to me. What it means is you didn't test for the existence of a god then, you simply accepted it.

if a lion stood in front of you would you bother testing? wouldn't the presence of the lion be obvious? so it is with God. if you say it isn't obvious then you are simply lying.

Hismasterpiece:


if a lion stood in front of you would you bother testing? wouldn't the presence of the lion be obvious? so it is with God. if you say it isn't obvious then you are simply lying.

We've been having an acrimony free discussion so far so what is causing this accusation? Are you in my head to know what is obvious to me or not? If you are tried of being civil tell me so I can take a rest, I won't spare the time for the uncouth.

LordReed:


We've been having an acrimony free discussion so far so what is causing this accusation? Are you in my head to know what is obvious to me or not? If you are tried of being civil tell me so I can take a rest, I won't spare the time for the uncouth.

Sorry o no vex. I'm simply just saying that one needn't test the obvious.

Hismasterpiece:


if a lion stood in front of you would you bother testing? wouldn't the presence of the lion be obvious? so it is with God. if you say it isn't obvious then you are simply lying.

A lion has a physical body I can see and hear it come toward me. The god you describe has none of that so how can it be on the same level? I am an atheist because it is not obvious to me a god exists. I asked you how you determine what is true and you told me that you test things but in this case you say instead it merely is obvious and requires no testing. What is obvious to you? Have you seen the god in question?

Hismasterpiece:



The things that you've mentioned had you involved in them. i'm asking for you to tell me something that you had no hand in, something that you just had to know that God and God alone did.

By the way, the family members that you prayed for to accept Christ who did, are they still Christians or are they now like you?

This is funny you are asking an atheist to say he thinks a god did something all by his godly self like are you not seeing the contradiction?

Most of my family is still Christian, some on my dad's side are muslim.

LordReed:


This is funny you are asking an atheist to say he thinks a god did something all by his godly self like are you not seeing the contradiction?

Most of my family is still Christian, some on my dad's side are muslim.

I'm not asking you as an atheist. I'm asking you to look back at your days as a Christian and see if there was any happening that you clearly knew you had no hand in

LordReed:


A lion has a physical body I can see and hear it come toward me. The god you describe has none of that so how can it be on the same level? I am an atheist because it is not obvious to me a god exists. I asked you how you determine what is true and you told me that you test things but in this case you say instead it merely is obvious and requires no testing. What is obvious to you? Have you seen the god in question?

One day i will see Him face to face. No one has ever seen God at anytime and if anyone ever sees God He won't live to tell the tale.

Besides I have seen God. Jesus said that all who have seen Him have seen the Father so seeing God and seeing Jesus is no different as they both are the same. But one day all believers will see Him face to face.

Hismasterpiece:


One day i will see Him face to face. No one has ever seen God at anytime and if anyone ever sees God He won't live to tell the tale.

Besides I have seen God. Jesus said that all who have seen Him have seen the Father so seeing God and seeing Jesus is no different as they both are the same. But one day all believers will see Him face to face.

You didn't answer the question. Lemme rephrase it: how is the god obvious to you?

Hismasterpiece:


I'm not asking you as an atheist. I'm asking you to look back at your days as a Christian and see if there was any happening that you clearly knew you had no hand in

Gimme an example from your own life.

LordReed:


You didn't answer the question. Lemme rephrase it: how is the god obvious to you?

Creation. I believe all things were created intentionally.

Also, my belief in the spiritual started when i had an experience one night in which an invisible person rubbed my shoulder. I can never forget that day.

LordReed:


Gimme an example from your own life.

The gift of salvation.

Ok, I thought I had that too.

Hismasterpiece:


The gift of salvation.

Hismasterpiece:


Creation. I believe all things were created intentionally.

Also, my belief in the spiritual started when i had an experience one night in which an invisible person rubbed my shoulder. I can never forget that day.

Humans have not seen a god create anything so how can you reasonably conclude that it was a god that created anything?

LordReed:


Humans have not seen a god create anything so how can you reasonably conclude that it was a god that created anything?

what's your point now

judemurphy:
what's your point now

Pointing to the universe is not a valid reason to believe a god exists.

LordReed:


Humans have not seen a god create anything so how can you reasonably conclude that it was a god that created anything?

Well, creation was a one time event. Everything that needed to be created were created at the beginning so God won't be doing any creating anymore.

However, He has enabled His creations to reproduce after their kind, thus eliminating the need for further creation.

LordReed:


Ok, I thought I had that too.

You did. Up until you rejected it. The gift is by trusting and remains with those who keep on trusting.

Hismasterpiece:


Well, creation was a one time event. Everything that needed to be created were created at the beginning so God won't be doing any creating anymore.

However, He has enabled His creations to reproduce after their kind, thus eliminating the need for further creation.

The question is how are you able to arrive at the conclusion that the universe is a result of the actions of the god since you have not seen him create anything?

Hismasterpiece:


You did. Up until you rejected it. The gift is by trusting and remains with those who keep on trusting.

Can you get to your point now.

LordReed:


Can you get to your point now.

I actually can't get to my point because you haven't given me anything to work with. You haven't still told me about anything from your life which you know had to be God, because you obviously didn't have a hand in it.

LordReed:


The question is how are you able to arrive at the conclusion that the universe is a result of the actions of the god since you have not seen him create anything?

Creation was a one time event. It won't happen again.

It would have had the possibility of happening again if God hadn't given His creations the ability to procreate.

The simple answer to you question is this:- HIS WORD.

Hismasterpiece:


I actually can't get to my point because you haven't given me anything to work with. You haven't still told me about anything from your life which you know had to be God, because you obviously didn't have a hand in it.

You said salvation was an example, I believed I had salvation so what more do you need?

Hismasterpiece:


Creation was a one time event. It won't happen again.

It would have had the possibility of happening again if God hadn't given His creations the ability to procreate.

The simple answer to you question is this:- HIS WORD.

Then it is not obvious because you needed someone to tell you a god exists.

LordReed:


Then it is not obvious because you needed someone to tell you a god exists.

But you believe in supernatural

judemurphy:
But you believe in supernatural

No I don't.

LordReed:


No I don't.

what part of your subconscious get involves in dreams when you sleep

judemurphy:
what part of your subconscious get involves in dreams when you sleep

I didn’t know the subconscious has parts so I'll just say all of it.