Workch:
God doesn’t exist
So fun doing this

Nothingserious:


I am still building God into your subconscious. You must learn sense by force.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
God doesn’t exist.
You have proven that

Nothingserious:


Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
Nothingserious, your imaginary friend doesn’t exist
Deal with it

Olayoo:

But u said he does

Olayoo:
What if the flying spaghetti monster is secretly the christian God.

Workch:
Then Christians have to start reading the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and not the Bible

They need to start following the doctrines to receive blessings from his noodly appendages. Christians have to start wearing colanders and pirate attire to worship the most noodly.

Remember he boiled for your sins, Parmesan be upon him.

Olayoo:

What if this flying spaghetti monster preferred the bible and the other Christian stuffs.

Workch:
What is he doesn’t?

Workch:
Nothingserious, I am here to take your silly questions, please don’t stop

God doesn’t exist

Workch:
we have evidence for body, where is the evidence for spirit and soul?

Koolyarn:


Conscience? Emotions ?

Nothingserious:


I actually made my point a long time ago.
This is nothing serious. I am just having fun.
Just showing you how silly and warped your logic is. I know that for the next 100 years, you can never answer any of those questions.
I know you exist even though you can’t prove your consciousness. I know logic exists even though you can’t prove it. I know you have a mind even though you can’t empirically prove it.
I know you appreciate aesthetics even though you can’t prove it empirically. I know numbers exist even though you have no empirical proof for them. I know you appreciate beauty even though you can’t demonstrate it empirically. I know the experiences we have about the origins of the universe are true even though we can’t empirically demonstrate them.
Those are true even without empirical proofs.
There are no scientific proofs for scientific theories/laws. But we know and assume they are valid. To say science has disproved God is not even a scientific truth and is not an empirical statement.

God is immaterial, timeless, spaceless and transcendent. You cannot use the prism of materialism to demonstrate God with a lab crucible. You cannot even strictly say “proof of God” as proofs are strictly done in maths.

But we have various arguments that have been adduced intellectually for God’s existence:

1. Cosmological argument notably the Kalaaam Cosmological argument.
2. Teleological arguments that talk about fine-tuning
3. Arguments from morality
4. The times, works, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and his teachings and revelations about God
5. Personal experiences and divine revelations through the Holy Spirit in the life of believers.

If you are a sincere atheist, you would argue about the sufficiency and insufficiency of the adduced evidences or arguments. If you are an insincere and amateur atheist, you would just scream “ no evidence for God”.

Choose wisely the type of atheist you want to be and defend your position.
But then, no atheist has successfully demonstrated God doesn’t exist.

You may read up the weaknesses of verificationism and scientism to help your stance.

This is my last response to you for now.

Cheers

Workch:
God Still doesn’t exist dude.
Your point didn’t bring your god into existence

Workch:
I am not here to teach you basic science. It’s not problem if you cannot afford telescopes that can detect black holes or you don’t know that satellites cannot give accurate GPS readings without properly accounting for effects of 4th dimension.

You can’t be scientifically illiterate and be gullible at the same time

That’s too much for you to bear

Just give me anything to test your god

Olayoo:

Because there is no evidence that conform to your limited senses doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Bacteriologist:
True. But wouldn't the sensible thing to do, be to suspend belief until sufficient evidence is presented?

Olayoo:


Bro u talk like the illiterate you are talking about. Here u said " if I cannot afford the telescopes that can "detect" black hole". Dude u are dumb.Scientists can't directly observe black holes with telescopes .We can, however, infer the presence of black holes and study them by detecting their effect on other matter nearby. But yet its presence its still doubted. There are theories that suggest they may not exist. Maybe fuzzballs does it all.
And for the fourth dimension, Mr atheist who talks without full knowledge of what he his are talking about, you said "satellites cannot give accurate GPS readings without properly accounting for effects of 4th dimension. ". Correlation does not imply causation. If they feel the effects of the fourth dimension doesn't mean it exist. Yet we still think it does.
Stop babbling about evidence up and down but understand that one of the principles of the sciences is falsifiability. Because there is no evidence that conform to your limited senses doesn't mean he doesn't exist[/s].

Olayoo:


Bro u talk like the illiterate you are talking about. Here u said " if I cannot afford the telescopes that can "detect" black hole". Dude u are dumb.Scientists can't directly observe black holes with telescopes .We can, however, infer the presence of black holes and study them by detecting their effect on other matter nearby. But yet its presence its still doubted. There are theories that suggest they may not exist. Maybe fuzzballs does it all.
And for the fourth dimension, Mr atheist who talks without full knowledge of what he his are talking about, you said "satellites cannot give accurate GPS readings without properly accounting for effects of 4th dimension. ". Correlation does not imply causation. If they feel the effects of the fourth dimension doesn't mean it exist. Yet we still think it does.
Stop babbling about evidence up and down but understand that one of the principles of the sciences is falsifiability. Because there is no evidence that conform to your limited senses doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

BassReeves:
1. Do you suspend sleeping at night until sufficient evidence is presented and guaranteeing that you will wake up the following morning?
2. Do you suspend getting out your bed, to go to work, until until sufficient evidence is presented and guaranteeing that every single thing you'll be doing will go well and have good success?

Bacteriologist:
I'm not sure your analogy makes sense at all. I am not even sure you understand the meaning of evidence or activities where evidence would hold more weight than other activities.

Sleeping is a compulsive activity by nature. And so is going to work. If anything, sleeping actually increases my chance of waking up the next day, as sleeping is essential for good health and a lack of sleep can cause death.

And while going to work doesn't guarantee success it greatly increases the chances of being successful. I literally earn money from working which means I can survive.

Why would you compare these basic human needs to a belief in God? Religion is and always implicated in nearly every war that has been fought in history. Believing in god has often led to quite disastrous consequences for many people. Islam reduces women to property, Christianity requires people to take up modest rules that deprives its adherents of many pleasures of life. Many pastors have died as a result of fasting. Many other evangelists in norther Nigeria met early death because they fulfilled the biblical instruction to spread the gospel everywhere.

Why would you equate the evidence required to "believe" in sleeping and working to earn daily bread with a god belief that has the potential to cause quite unreversible changes and grave consequences in the minds and lives of those that believe them?

[s]You need to sit and think long and hard and think about why you brought up such a silly analogy to serve as an excuse for believing in a really important thing without any evidence at all.[/s]

Workch:
[s]You are a scientifically illiterate person. An arrogant one at that, since you want science education, I will school you and still let you know that you god does not exist.
Whenever a religious person tries to talk science, they always end up embarrassing themselves and saying jargons

Fourth dimension is time, that according to the theory of relativity postulated by Albert Einstein. It implies that after the x,y,z dimensions in spaces, time serves as the 4the dimension hence formulated the term space-time continuum to describe the relation between x,y,z and fourth diemension “time”.
Einstein theory of relativity describes perception of time, which is the fourth deimension as being relative, hence the theory of relativity. He says that the time perceived by an object is time depends on the how it travels through the space-time fabric, the perception of time is influenced by the speed (theory of special relativity) and the gravity (theory of general relativity) acting on this object.

For a satellites giving GPS reading orbiting space, it travels at different speed and has different degree of gravity acting upon it. This means that it is traveling at another rate through the 4th dimension through space hence time dilation will occur. If we don’t factor in that time dilation into the calculation then it won’t give accurate results. I hope you understand this basic lessons on fourth dimension and how it’s been detected in reading of GPS data.
I don’t think you can because you probably don’t know basic physics

This will be too cumbersome for a religious brain they are usually scientifically illiterate hence they believe in god. You better face your normal argument and don’t talk science that you know little about

God still doesn’t exist

Olayoo:

U are extra dimensionally gullible. I've been telling you that u should read my post before you comment. I'll just keep tackling you till I expose your fake and pretense you call atheisim. I asked you a simple question" can u prove the fourth dimension exist". I meant four dimensional space. Even your fourth dimension in terms of time is still disputed dude. Einstein themed time as an illusion. I'm sure I've come in terms with the rubbish you said about observing black hole. See bro the best way to argue logically and sensibly is to read, understand and after you are sure, reply.

Olayoo:

U are extra dimensionally gullible. I've been telling you that u should read my post before you comment. I'll just keep tackling you till I expose your fake and pretense you call atheisim. I asked you a simple question" can u prove the fourth dimension exist". I meant four dimensional space. Even your fourth dimension in terms of time is still disputed dude. Einstein themed time as an illusion. I'm sure I've come in terms with the rubbish you said about observing black hole. See bro the best way to argue logically and sensibly is to read, understand and after you are sure, reply.

Workch:
Mr. Man doesn’t know that fourth dimension is time

No wonder they put god into anything they don’t understand

Science just suffered, Mr. God lover doesn’t understand theory of relativity I will teach you basic science and still show you that you argue for god because you don’t know science

What a shame

Olayoo:

Your understanding and logical conclusion of what existence, God,even physics is low. I'm not a religious person neither am I atheistic. I only chase after truth. Logical and undiluted truth. So far u cannot back ur points. The first step to atheism is curiosity. And to be curious you need to be "open minded" and question everything including your die hard beliefs. So far, it is not your conclusion that is suffering but how you arrive at it. Ask why before commenting rubbish.

Workch:
Of course time is illusion, you don’t know?
It’s relative and illusion unless you are observing all reference frames and for a photon, time doesn’t exist. A photon doesn’t travel through fourth dimension.

How do I educate this scientifically illiterate dude on basic physics?

Na only god did it he knows

Olayoo:

Your understanding and logical conclusion of what existence, God,even physics is low. I'm not a religious person neither am I atheistic. I only chase after truth. Logical and undiluted truth. So far u cannot back ur points. The first step to atheism is curiosity. And to be curious you need to be "open minded" and question everything including your die hard beliefs. So far, it is not your conclusion that is suffering but how you arrive at it. Ask why before commenting rubbish.