https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjyuzHklV_E

There isn't a one way for all.

See met and married within a month:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3GSl4qsSMY

Hmmm ehn pastor Chris for this kind matter.

yuping:

Hmmm ehn pastor Chris for this kind matter.

I'm sure he doesn't know this before marrying his DIVORCED spouse!

MaxInDHouse:

I'm sure he doesn't know this before marrying his DIVORCED spouse!

what has that got to do with it

petra1:

what has that got to do with it

What is the purpose of his teaching here?
Is it not to teach people how to fine a good partner?
My friend charity begins at home!

MaxInDHouse:


What is the purpose of his teaching here?
Is it not to teach people how to fine a good partner?

so?

anything wrong with the message

petra1:

so?
anything wrong with the message

His own married is a failure making him a divorcee so on what ground does sure a person adequately counsel others for marriage when his own marriage failed?

MaxInDHouse:


His own married is a failure making him a divorcee so on what ground does sure a person adequately counsel others for marriage when his own marriage failed?

Did the departure of judas make jesus a failure to lead? Did the departure of Demas make Paul a failure to lead?
Teaching and counselling is by the word and the spirit. Not by life experience

petra1:

Did the departure of judas make jesus a failure to lead? Did the departure of Demas make Paul a failure to lead?
Teaching and counselling is by the word and the spirit. Not by life experience

These aren't examples of divorce because Jesus wasn't married to judas neither was Paul married to Demas but Chris was once married and his marriage failed so how can he counsel others for what he himself failed?

Marriage is about sacrifices so when Chris vowed before God and man to stick to his wife till death part them {Deuteronomy 23:21; Ecclesiastes 5:4} whatever makes him allow the wife go is as a result of his incompetence! 2Timothy 3:17

MaxInDHouse:


These aren't examples of divorce because Jesus wasn't married to judas neither was Paul married to Demas but Chris was once married and his marriage failed so how can he counsel others for what he himself failed?

The OP gave you an example in close relation to whatever you were driving at, rather than look into it you went into your usual colouration of the matter.

Your Jehovah was married to Israel and several times your Jehovah wife committed ADULTERY and the marriage suffered several times over the years and centuries.

Is your Jehovah still capable of giving advice concerning marriage?

Sebi una dey advice others to carry body down and learn. You dey do am abi na just to to dey carry shoulder up and down you dey?

MaxInDHouse:
Marriage is about sacrifices so when Chris vowed before God and man to stick to his wife till death part them {Deuteronomy 23:21; Ecclesiastes 5:4} whatever makes him allow the wife go is as a result of his incompetence! 2Timothy 3:17

I dey tell you just like I told one of your brother or friend last night. Una no dey follow even your Jehovah’s viewpoint contained in any and many of una publications.

Let's rephrase.......

Whatever makes him(Jehovah) allow the wife(Israel) go is as a result of his(Jehovah) incompetence.

Your eyes Don clear now abi?

Your Jehovah is incompetent

Here is your 2 Timothy 3:17 and reread the bold again

so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

MaxInDHouse:


These aren't examples of divorce because Jesus wasn't married to judas neither was Paul married to Demas but Chris was once married and his marriage failed so how can he counsel others for what he himself failed?

its a issue of Departure. a wife leaves. a desciple leaves . does it make one a failure in ministry?

petra1:


its a issue of Departure. a wife leaves. a desciple leaves . does it make one a failure in ministry?

Interesting, bringing the point closer so he can see what the initial question was all about.

petra1:

its a issue of Departure. a wife leaves. a desciple leaves . does it make one a failure in ministry?

The man and his wife vowed to stay together come what may so Jesus said they must not separate no matter what happens! Matthew 19:3-9
Chris should have fought to keep his marriage, he himself woo the woman before they marry so he should have used the same sense to calm her down not allow her to go.
For that to have happened he is not in the position to counsel others regarding a successful marriage!

MaxInDHouse:
allow the wife go is as a result of his incompetence! 2Timothy 3:17

so jesus was incompetent to let judas go. And Paul was incompetent to let Demas go?

everyone answer to God on their faith

1 Corinthians 7:15
15 On the other hand, if the unbelieving spouse walks out, you've got to let him or her go. You don't have to hold on desperately. God has called us to make the best of it, as peacefully as we can.

petra1:

so jesus was incompetent to let judas go. And Paul was incompetent to let Demas go?
everyone answer to God on their faith

1 Corinthians 7:15
15 On the other hand, if the unbelieving spouse walks out, you've got to let him or her go. You don't have to hold on desperately. God has called us to make the best of it, as peacefully as we can.

So are you saying she's an unbeliever?

Because what you quoted is referring to an unbelieving spouse not a believer in the same God as you!
For your information Mrs Oyakilomeh (DIVORCED) is heading the church in Europe o!
So according to what you believe she's part and parcel of your faith therefore it's the man's incompetence that led to the breakup!

MaxInDHouse:


The man and his wife vowed to stay together come what may so Jesus said they must not separate no matter what happens! Matthew 19:3-9
Chris should have fought to keep his marriage, he himself woo the woman before they marry so he should have used the same sense to calm her down not allow her to go.
For that to have happened he is not in the position to counsel others regarding a successful marriage!

The man and his wife vowed to stay together come what may so Jesus said they must not separate no matter what happens! Matthew 19:3-9

Quote the scripture, you no go quote am.

. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Your no matter what does not hold here. Which brings the question petra asked back to the forefront again.

so jesus was incompetent to let judas go. And Paul was incompetent to let Demas go?

MaxInDHouse:


So are you saying she's an unbeliever?

Because what you quoted is referring to an unbelieving spouse not a believer in the same God as you!
For your information Mrs Oyakilomeh (DIVORCED) is heading the church in Europe o!
So according to what you believe she's part and parcel of your faith therefore it's the man's incompetence that led to the breakup!

so jesus was incompetent to let judas go. And Paul was incompetent to let Demas go?

This is the question in front of you.

MaxInDHouse:


So are you saying she's an unbeliever?

Because what you quoted is referring to an unbelieving spouse not a believer in the same God as you!
For your information Mrs Oyakilomeh (DIVORCED) is heading the church in Europe o!
So according to what you believe she's part and parcel of your faith therefore it's the man's incompetence that led to the breakup!

Was Jesus and Paul incompetent for losing companions . Its an issue of personal will power. If a spouse doesnt want to stay . Shes free . its her choice. it has nothing to do with your own destiny or ministry

1 Corinthians 7:27
27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife.

petra1:

Was Jesus and Paul incompetent for losing companions . Its an issue of personal will power. If a spouse doesnt want to stay . Shes free . its her choice. it has nothing to do with your own destiny or ministry
1 Corinthians 7:27
27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife.

Companionship differ from marriage mates!

After marriage the man and his wife are bound to live together for the rest of their lives that's what Jesus said.
Both of them must stick together no matter what happens, the only excuse you can give to divorce your wife is infidelity apart from that Jesus said you must never leave your marriage. Matthew 19:6
So both Chris and the wife aren't Christians since they don't want to bow to Jesus' orders! John 14:15

MaxInDHouse:

Companionship differ from marriage mates!
After marriage the man and his wife are bound to live together for the rest of their lives

that's what Jesus said.

So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry

petra1:

So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry

The Bible says Christians must honour their wives {1Peter 3:7} we must always be prepared to make peace with everyone {Matthew 5:39} therefore we must not allow anything to cause separation in our marriage! Matthew 19:6
The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach! 1Timothy 3:2

So if Chris and his wife are still alive but separated then he is not qualified to teach others how to keep their marital vows because he himself failed woefully in that aspect! Matthew 7:1-4

Thank you!

So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry...... Petra


Answer: The Bible says Christians must honour their wives.

In reality no where it is said in the Bible that a man that leaves his wife should not minister.

achorladey:
So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry...... Petra

Answer: The Bible says Christians must honour their wives.

Thats a different issue.
The point is that Marriage has nothing to do with fulfilling your ministry. most succesfull mimisters in the bible were singles. John the Baptist, Jesus , Paul . if being married is a criteria they have proven that theory untrue

petra1:


Thats a different issue.
The point is that Marriage has nothing to do with fulfilling your ministry. most succesfull mimisters in the bible were singles. John the Baptist, Jesus , Paul . if being married is a criteria they have proven that theory untrue

I am just trying to make you see how the answer given to the questions looks like. The person responding to it was just diverting into what does not relate to the question you asked.

Even if he wants to use the Timothy account. It still will not answer the question because Timothy of whom Paul wrote too was not married as well.

The reason I added......


In reality no where it is said in the Bible that a man that leaves his wife should not minister

Which the question you directed to Max cannot answer.

petra1:

Thats a different issue.
The point is that Marriage has nothing to do with fulfilling your ministry. most succesfull mimisters in the bible were singles. John the Baptist, Jesus , Paul . if being married is a criteria they have proven that theory untrue

They are adequately qualified to TEACH others as they set fine examples of faith so they worth been emulated {Hebrews 13:7} since they choose to remain unmarried nobody can point to their blunders {Matthew 19:10-12} but as for Chris, he is a complete failure in that aspect so he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage!

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:16-17

Please note that i'm not saying Chris can't teach God's word but not the aspect where he himself failed woefully!

MaxInDHouse:

They are adequately qualified to TEACH others as they set fine examples of faith so they worth been emulated {Hebrews 13:7} since they choose to remain unmarried nobody can point to their blunders {Matthew 19:10-12} but as for Chris, he is a complete failure in that aspect so he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage!

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:16-17

Please note that i'm not saying Chris can't teach God's word but not the aspect where he himself failed woefully!

he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage.......... MaxInDHouse


When petra gave you this scriptures, what did you make of it?

1 Corinthians 7:27
27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife.

Please note that i'm not saying Chris can't teach God's word...... MaxInDHouse

That is the key of what you don't want to admit.

Here is Jesus words...... So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach

MaxInDHouse:

They are adequately qualified to TEACH others as they set fine examples of faith so they worth been emulated {Hebrews 13:7} since they choose to remain unmarried nobody can point to their blunders

. Moses separated from his wife. he was the law giver. not only that , in the period of his separation he went to marry another woman a non jew.

Did that make moses invalid to teach the law? You see .Dont use your human opinion in Bible matter.

[/quote]{Matthew 19:10-12} but as for Chris, he is a complete failure in that aspect so [/quote]

Divorce doesn't make one a failure. As long as you cant back up this heresy with the bible There is no point repeting yourself . its not selling

he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage!

Wrong . You minister by the spirit not by human experience.

Even the pharisee who do not practice the bible . jesus told the jews not to despise their teaching.

Matthew 23:1 (AMPC)
1 THEN JESUS said to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat [of authority]. 3 So observe and practice all they tell you; but do not do what they do, for they preach, but do not practice.

petra1:

Moses separated from his wife. he was the law giver. not only that , in the period of his separation he went to marry another woman a non jew.
Did that make moses invalid to teach the law? You see .Dont use your human opinion in Bible matter.

I know you love your pastor and that's normal but the truth need to be told.
Moses was just a mediator of God's law to the nation of Israel, he received laws from God and passed it to the people that's all. Moses wasn't a teacher unlike a Christian who has been taught by Christ to PREACH and TEACH others HOW TO APPLY THE PRINCIPLE OF LOVE! Matthew 11:11
So don't compare a Christian with Moses because we are greater than Moses who never saw or had the opportunity to learn from God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ! John 1:18
Jesus commanded us to PREACH and TEACH {Matthew 28:19-20} because God's Holy Spirit has been released to accompany us in the TEACHING {John 14:26; 16:12-13} Moses never had such opportunity Sir, so don't compare Moses with a Christian!

{Matthew 19:10-12} but as for Chris, he is a complete failure in that aspect so
Divorce doesn't make one a failure. As long as you cant back up this heresy with the bible There is no point repeting yourself . its not selling

Divorce is a sign of a wrong foundation or fault of the spouses because apart from ADULTERY Jesus did not permit a separation {Matthew 19:9} so if Chris and his wife were never convicted of adultery it simply means both of them aren't adequately qualified (spiritually mature enough) to counsel others regarding marriage. The only room Jesus gave for separation is infidelity on the part of a spouse!
I'm repeating it not for sale but to establish the truth of God's word. It's left for whoever wish to take it but the truth must be told. If Chris failed to keep his marital vows then he's not qualified to TEACH others how to keep theirs!

he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage!
Wrong . You minister by the spirit not by human experience.
Even the pharisee who do not practice the bible . jesus told the jews not to despise their teaching.

According to Jesus you must live by your teaching to set fine examples for others {John 14:15} the Pharisees were carrying the Mosaic laws given to that nation (not their own laws) so Jesus admonished the people to obey God's law but they shouldn't follow the teachings of the Pharisees that undermines God's standard! Matthew 16:6-12

Matthew 23:1 (AMPC)
1 THEN JESUS said to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat [of authority]. 3 So observe and practice all they tell you; but do not do what they do, for they preach, but do not practice.

If Chris is a Christian and not a Pharisee he must live by the standard set by Jesus otherwise you're saying people should view Chris as a Pharisee "do as i say, don't do as i do" Surely such a teacher will mislead the people! Matthew 24:11

MaxInDHouse:

I know you love your pastor and that's normal but the truth need to be told.
Moses was just a mediator of God's law to the nation of Israel, he received laws from God and passed it to the people that's all. Moses wasn't a teacher unlike a Christian who has been taught by Christ to PREACH and TEACH others HOW TO APPLY THE PRINCIPLE OF LOVE! Matthew 11:11
So don't compare a Christian with Moses because we are greater than Moses who never saw or had the opportunity to learn from God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ! John 1:18
Jesus commanded us to PREACH and TEACH {Matthew 28:19-20} because God's Holy Spirit has been released to accompany us in the TEACHING {John 14:26; 16:12-13} Moses never had such opportunity Sir, so don't compare Moses with a Christian!



Divorce is a sign of a wrong foundation or fault of the spouses because apart from ADULTERY Jesus did not permit a separation {Matthew 19:9} so if Chris and his wife were never convicted of adultery it simply means both of them aren't adequately qualified (spiritually mature enough) to counsel others regarding marriage. The only room Jesus gave for separation is infidelity on the part of a spouse!
I'm repeating it not for sale but to establish the truth of God's word. It's left for whoever wish to take it but the truth must be told. If Chris failed to keep his marital vows then he's not qualified to TEACH others how to keep theirs!


According to Jesus you must live by your teaching to set fine examples for others {John 14:15} the Pharisees were carrying the Mosaic laws given to that nation (not their own laws) so Jesus admonished the people to obey God's law but they shouldn't follow the teachings of the Pharisees that undermines God's standard! Matthew 16:6-12


If Chris is a Christian and not a Pharisee he must live by the standard set by Jesus otherwise you're saying people should view Chris as a Pharisee "do as i say, don't do as i do" Surely such a teacher will mislead the people! Matthew 24:11

According to Jesus you must live by your teaching to set fine examples for others {John 14:15} the Pharisees were carrying the Mosaic laws given to that nation (not their own laws) so Jesus admonished the people to obey God's law but they shouldn't follow the teachings of the Pharisees that undermines God's standard! Matthew 16:6-12...... MaxInDHouse

Who were the teachers of the law that don't do it?

You keep trying to colour and deny what is clear to see. Your direction was even accommodated you still dey try go corner corner.

See where you want to hide and your colouration. The teachings of the pharisees includes God's laws despite the fact the pharisees don't follow it Jesus still tell those being taught to follow it. Stop using many words to explain something clear enough. You even see WHATEVER in front of Jesus words you still dey colour am ....

Jesus admonished the people to obey God's law but they shouldn't follow the teachings of the Pharisees that undermines God's standard.... MaxInDHouse

Who are/were the teachers of the law that Jesus ask those he was talking to do whatever they ask them to do but don't do as they do?

What laws are these teachers of the law carrying about?

I'm repeating it not for sale but to establish the truth of God's word. It's left for whoever wish to take it but the truth must be told.... MaxInDHouse

Your repetition is not establishing any truth but to colour what you don't want to readily accept which is why you stick to Pastor Chris got separated from his wife is a basis for him not to preach about marriage.

That you still went ahead to start colouring Jesus' words is another attestation that you are not establishing any truth.

You were given the fact that God was married to the Israelites repeatedly and that marriage failed repeatedly despite many reconciliation from God. That does not take the fact away that God was involved in a failed marriage. So is that enough reason not to listen to God when he teaches you concerning marriage? You cannot answer. The moment you answer your colouration go remove.

I know you love your pastor and that's normal but the truth need to be told.
Moses was just a mediator of God's law to the nation of Israel, he received laws from God and passed it to the people that's all..... MaxInDHouse

I know you hate your religious leaders too but the truth will be established concerning this here whether you hate or like them.

To colour the matter more, Moses just received the laws and passed it on to the people that's all and automatically the sons of Levi can teach every other tribe

Since Jesus is the greater moses that should have been enough to tell you most of what the greater moses did was equally done by the great moses.