@Triplechoice, you said that abstract words don't have power, but here is what justme have to day about religion(abstract word)

Jusme1:

I agree with you, but also know that all these are the effect of religion, religion is a powerful tool of enslavement, it damage your intelligence and minds

So do you agree that religion is a POWERFUL TOOL OF ENSLAVEMENT, even though it is something abstract?

OtemAtum:
@TripleChoice, below is the definition of POWER. Now can you tell me if this power is not what pastors, alfas and herbalists ride on? I mean sometimes, pastors, alfas and herbalists say some things and it happened by coincidence. Because of this coincidences, they influence their followers and make then believe that they did it by their own powers(check the second definition of power in the dictionary below). Now tell me if there is no power of coincidence. Concerning the results below, assuming somebody had said perchance that Liverpool and Chelsea will have similar results and it happened so, if the person is a pastor, Alfa, imam or herbalists, don't you think he would have influenced the minds of his followers by the power of coincidence? That's what I am talking about.

Any kind of power comes from something.

Unless you're using the word in a figurative sense, coincidence is not an object that can produce any power.

There's a plausible explanation for the phenomenon displayed by pastors and witch doctors. The power of coincidence doesn't explain it all as there is no such power.

If a pastor says the power of God is behind what he does and you say ,no, that it is the power of coincidence, what is the difference?

Are both of you not thinking the same way and saying the same thing?

Yes, I think you're

OtemAtum:
@Triplechoice, you said that abstract words don't have power, but here is what justme have to day about religion(abstract word)



So do you agree that religion is a POWERFUL TOOL OF ENSLAVEMENT, even though it is something abstract?

How is the practice of religion abstract?

OtemAtum:
If mere words don't have power, what happen to hypnotism, religious texts used to make people submissive, placebo, etc? There's nothing that doesn't have potential power, no matter how little they could be.

You're deflecting now by bringing something that's not related to our discussion.

Words have power but only when pronounced as sounds. The vibratory rate of the sound produced is what gives power.

The expression "power of coincidence" contains a combination of words which when pronounced repeatedly will certainly results in a particular vibratory rate that will give off energy.

But are you now saying that pastors and witch doctors who produced what is refer to as miracles pronounce the expression "power of coincidence" over and over again just like an hypnotist, to create effect?

You can only make me agree with you if you can provide evidence that's what they are doing by repeating that expression

triplechoice:


How is the practice of religion abstract?

Is practice a concrete now?
Practice- abstract noun
Religiob- abstract now

So how will you call PRACTICE OF RELIGION concrete

triplechoice:


Any kind of power comes from something.

Unless you're using the word in a figurative sense, coincidence is not an object that can produce any power.

There's a plausible explanation for the phenomenon displayed by pastors and witch doctors. The power of coincidence doesn't explain it all as there is no such power.

If a pastor says the power of God is behind what he does and you say ,no, that it is the power of coincidence, what is the difference?

Are both of you not thinking the same way and saying the same thing?

Yes, I think you're

So now you've agreed with me that the Power of 'God' supposedly used by the pastors is actually the 'Power of Coincidence'. Now we are saying the same thing.

OtemAtum:
Is practice a concrete now?
Practice- abstract noun
Religiob- abstract now

So how will you call PRACTICE OF RELIGION concrete

When people practice religion we can see the physical activity they engage in . praying, singing of worship songs, attending churches or mosque and so on.

So what are you talking about?

OtemAtum:
So now you've agreed with me that the Power of 'God' supposedly used by the pastors is actually the 'Power of Coincidence'. Now we are saying the same thing.

I never agree with you.
I am afraid you're confused.

You don't understand anything about what I just explained. Nothing in your reply shows you understand a single thing.

Provide evidence that people use the energy which comes from repeating the expression " power of coincidence" to create miracles or take the nonsense elsewhere.

Was this your initial position? I believe you just learnt something from me along the way and want to use it to deceive yourself not me

How do you know or determine that the energy which can be released from that expression when repeated has the power to create miracles.

Do you know of anyone that's actually doing that?

Have you tried it yourself?

If anyone tries it right now would it work?

You're talking nonsense and it is a shame

I never wanted the discussion to degenerate into this but just can't help it now

You really are a huge disappointment. Never expected this sort of deception from you.

Good day and have a swell time in convincing your gullible followers that there is something like the power of coincidence which people use like any other valid source of power out there to create effect deliberately.

Modified. So you mean the football results of Chelsea and Liverpool you posted was as a result of someone in the English FA pronouncing the expression " power of coincidence" over and over again?

Or maybe you did. Please tell us

OtemAtum:
Is practice a concrete now?
Practice- abstract noun
Religiob- abstract now

So how will you call PRACTICE OF RELIGION concrete

Just look at what you did up there

Why separating the words in the phrase "practice of religion"

So you dont know that the meaning of a word is determined by the context in which it is used?

Lols. Otem even get time dey waste for this kind of argument.

Where did the OP told anyone to be repeating any expression containing "coincidence" to manifest any wish?

Lols. You just read some silly remarks on Nl and laugh...

Comprehending simple statements can really be hard for some.

All these petty arguments are better avoided.

A001:
Lols. Otem even get time dey waste for this kind of argument.

Where did the OP told anyone to be repeating any expression containing "coincidence" to manifest any wish?

Lols. You just read some silly remarks on Nl and laugh...

Comprehending simple statements can really be hard for some.

All these petty arguments are better avoided.

Did you follow the conversation at all to know what lead to that?

Next time make sure understand what you're commenting on.
Your friend is confused about what he thinks he knows.

You look up to him and so don't expect you to know any better

triplechoice:


Did you follow the conversation at all to know what lead to that?

Next time make sure understand what you're commenting on.
Your friend is confused about what he thinks he knows.

You look up to him and so don't expect you to know any better

You don't even understand your own argument.

I don't look up to anyone but myself. You're very confused, merely making different things up that only exist in your imagination, not in reality.

Mention where the OP told anyone to chant an expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality.

Lols. You don't even understand many things you're posting on.

A001:
Lols. Otem even get time dey waste for this kind of argument.

Where did the OP told anyone to be repeating any expression containing "coincidence" to manifest any wish?

Lols. You just read some silly remarks on Nl and laugh...

Comprehending simple statements can really be hard for some.

All these petty arguments are better avoided.

If you know anything at all show me in my arguments where I said the op contains anyone repeating any expression to create effect.

A001:

You don't even understand your own argument.

I don't look up to anyone but myself. You're very confused, merely making different things up that only exist in your imagination, not in reality.

Mention where the OP told anyone to chant an expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality.

Lols. You don't even understand many things you're posting on.

And show me where I said the op said anyone should repeat anything

triplechoice:


If you know anything at all show me in my arguments where I said the op contains anyone repeating any expression to create effect.

You're very confused and merely saying nonsense.

Read your post below again. You'll find your answer in it.

triplechoice:


I never agree with you.
I am afraid you're confused.

You don't understand anything about what I just explained. Nothing in your reply shows you understand a single thing.

Provide evidence that people use the energy which comes from repeating the expression " power of coincidence" to create miracles or take the nonsense elsewhere.

Was this your initial position? I believe you just learnt something from me along the way and want to use it to deceive yourself not me

How do you know or determine that the energy which can be released from that expression when repeated has the power to create miracles.

Do you know of anyone that's actually doing that?

Have you tried it yourself?

If anyone tries it right now would it work?

You're talking nonsense and it is a shame

I never wanted the discussion to degenerate into this but just can't help it now

You really are a huge disappointment. Never expected this sort of deception from you.

Good day and have a swell time in convincing your gullible followers that there is something like the power of coincidence which people use like any other valid source of power out there to create effect deliberately.

Modified. So you mean the football results of Chelsea and Liverpool you posted was as a result of someone in the English FA pronouncing the expression " power of coincidence" over and over again?

Or maybe you did. Please tell us

A001:

You're very confused and merely saying nonsense.

Read your post below again. You'll find your answer in it.

See what I mean?

Instead to take time to follow our conversation from the beginning to understand what lead to that you just jumped in at the middle.

Besides ,those where questions he was expected to answer since he stupidity agreed that the expression contains power.

It was why asked those questions . So keep your insults

Go back and read what lead to that reply

triplechoice:


See what I mean?

Instead to take time to follow our conversation from the beginning to understand what lead to that you just jumped in at the middle.

Besides ,those where questions he was expected to answer since he stupidity agreed that the expression contains power.

It was why asked those questions . So keep your insults

Yes, he said there's a certain kind of power in nature called the power of coincidence, according to his own philosophy, which makes wishes, prayers become granted.

Now, where did he tell you that people need to chant a so-called expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality?

You're merely wasting your time on a simple issue.

Any observant person knows coincidences happen a number of times in life. But there's no concrete scientific evidence why that occurs.

While Otem's model or explanation looks interesting, whether it's valid or not remains to be proven scientifically to be called a statement of fact.

Why are you getting worked up over a trivial issue to the extent of making different things up that only exist in your imagination just to show you're right?

A001:

Yes, he said there's a certain kind of power in nature called the power of coincidence, according to his own philosophy, which makes wishes, prayers become granted.

Now, where did he tell you that people need to chant a so-called expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality?

You're merely wasting your time on a simple issue.

Any observant person knows coincidences happen a number of times in life. But there's no concrete scientific evidence why that occurs.

While Otem's model or explanation looks interesting, whether it's valid or not remains to be proven scientifically to be called a statement of fact.

Why are you getting worked up over a trivial issue to the extent of making different things up that only exist in your imagination just to show you're right?

And you believe such a power exist?

Where is the prove and how did you and himself demonstrate this power?

After talking about the power of coincidence which you both claim exist in nature, you then depart from that to talk of coincidence in the ordinary sense which everyone understands and want to make it appear you're saying the same time.

Both of you don't understand how the word coincidence is used. Hence your confusion

Is that not evidence of confused thinking?

Modified . The reason I asked if the power should be chanted is when he said words can be used like an hypnotist to create effect. Please go back and read and don't be lazy

triplechoice:


And you believe such a power exist?

Where is the prove and how did you and himself demonstrate this power?

After talking about the power of coincidence which you both claim exist in nature, you then depart from that to talk of coincidence in the ordinary sense which everyone understands and want to make it appear you're saying the same time.

Both of you don't understand how the word coincidence is used. Hence your confusion

Is that not evidence of confused thinking?

Modified . The reason I asked if the power should be chanted is when he said words can be used like an hypnotist to create effect. Please go back and read and don't be lazy

You don't read to comprehend but to argue.

Tell me where I told you that I believe the power of coincidence exists in nature. The problem is you've a poor understanding of English.

Read the statement you quoted again. I stated my stance clearly. No need to rehash it.

triplechoice:


Just look at what you did up there

Why separating the words in the phrase "practice of religion"

So you dont know that the meaning of a word is determined by the context in which it is used?

So practising religion is now a concrete now abi

OtemAtum:
So practising religion is now a concrete now abi

Coming from someone who claims to understand English language.
Big shame.

is it any surprise you don't understand what the word coincidence means.

"Practising" is not a verb but a concrete noun according to you?

Big shame

A001:

You don't read to comprehend but to argue.

Tell me where I told you that the I believe the power of coincidence exists in nature. The problem is you've a poor understanding of English.

Read the statement you quoted again. I stated my stance clearly. No need to rehash it.

After taking my arguments out of its context, how are you expected to understand me.

Go back and read from where we started.

Your lord says there's something called the power of coincidence which is responsible for miraculous occurrence. I disagree with him because there is no evidence of such power.

I have been holding on to that position from day one.

If you have not seen that ,then thats your problem.

I have been asking him what is the difference between saying the power of god is responsible and not the power of coincidence , he has refused to answer but to twist and turn to confuse himself.

If he had said those occurrence are by accident or coincidental, then I would not be arguing with him.

I dont know English according to you but a simple word you can't fully comprehend its meaning
Big shame

Modified. I even asked him if he is using the expression in the figurative sense, he refuse to answer. So what do you even understand

triplechoice:


[s]After taking my arguments out of its context, how are you expected to understand me.

Go back and read from where we started.

Your lord says there's something called the power of coincidence which is responsible for miraculous occurrence. I disagree with him because there is no evidence of such power.

I have been holding on to that position from day one.

If you have not seen that ,then thats your problem.

I have been asking him what is the difference between saying the power of god is responsible and not the power of coincidence , he has refused to answer but to twist and turn to confuse himself.[/s]

Trash. I see you've personal issues with Otem. Lols

Better get your brain checked. Your imaginative power is working abnormally hence you won't be spewing tripe like "your lord".

I shouldn't waste my time discussing with someone that can't understand simple expressions in English, but is busy making different fictional things up in his small mind.

Asking me silly questions when anyone with an average IQ can find the answers to the questions in the posts he quoted.

Talk about being mischievous and silly.

Hope you settle whatever issues you have with the OP. That's your problem to deal with.

triplechoice:


Coming from someone who claims to understand English language.
Big shame.

is it any surprise you don't understand what the word coincidence means.

"Practising" is not a verb but a concrete noun according to you?

Big shame

I never said practising is a noun bro. Check again and you will see that I used the 'gerund phrase' called 'Practising Religion'. Check for the meaning of 'Gerund' pls. In my context, 'Practising Religion' is a 'Noun Phrase'. And back to my statement, I was trying to establish if you meant that it is a concrete noun or not. Now back to my question, do you mean that the noun phrase 'Practising Religion' is Concrete or abstract?

A001:

Trash. I see you've personal issues with Otem. Lols

Better get your brain checked. Your imaginative power is working abnormally hence you won't be spewing tripe like "your lord".

I shouldn't waste my time discussing with someone that can't understand simple expressions in English, but is busy making different fictional things up in his small mind.

Asking me silly questions when anyone with an average IQ can find the answers to the questions in the posts he quoted.

Talk about being mischievous and silly.

Hope you settle whatever issues you have with the OP. That's your problem to deal with.

Between the two of us who should have their brains checked.

You that is so gullible to believe and follow sheepishly someone who claim to know of a spiritual cage where the imaginary gods of Allah and Jehovah locked up is saying what?

I am sure you literarily believed that.

I don't blame you . You can freely insult me hiding under a faceless forum .Something you dare not do face to face.
I never insulted any during the course of our argument and not even you before now. So why the insults and name calling?

You seem a troubled soul.

It's just a matter of time. when the nonsense Otem has placed in your head starts to aberrate you, then I hope you have someone who would advise you to have your head checked at that time. This not a treat. It is what I have seen happen to other people before .

You're crying more than the bereaved because it is obvious he has had your head done in.

Just a matter of time. Fill your head with nonsense and you get nonsense in return.

I don't have any personal Issues with Otem. But he should realize he can make mistakes and misled gullible people like you.

OtemAtum:


I never said practising is a noun bro. Check again and you will see that I used the 'gerund phrase' called 'Practising Religion'. Check for the meaning of 'Gerund' pls. In my context, 'Practising Religion' is a 'Noun Phrase'. And back to my statement, I was trying to establish if you meant that it is a concrete noun or not. Now back to my question, do you mean that the noun phrase 'Practising Religion' is Concrete or abstract?

Stick to one thing and don't turn it to an English language class .

When you struggle to understand the word coincidence which budatum up there wants to make you understand better, what do you want to teach anyone about English words and meaning.

You have made your disciple to start insulting with all of these.

Good day bro

triplechoice:


Stick to one thing and don't turn it to an English language class .

When you struggle to understand the word coincidence which budatum up there wants to make you understand better, what do you want to teach anyone about English words and meaning.

You have made your disciple to start insulting with all of these.

Good day bro

Sometimes when the ignorant ones think they are making points, we just have to leave them to their own fate. If you check all my posts, you will see that I don't shift any goalpost. I support my arguments in every aspect. If it comes in form of English Language, I defend it. If you bring it in form of science, I defend it as well. That's what you call 'not sticking to one thing?' Na wa o. So you expect me not to clarify things when you deliberately or ignorantly misquote me? That's impossible na

triplechoice:


Between the two of us, I'm the one in need of a brain check.

[s]You that is so gullible to believe and follow sheepishly someone who claim to know of a spiritual cage where the imaginary gods of Allah and Jehovah locked up is saying what?[/s]
I'm saying nonsense here

Lols, you're not making sense at all. This is such a dull post.

A001:

Yes, he said there's a certain kind of power in nature called the power of coincidence, according to his own philosophy, which makes wishes, prayers become granted.

Now, where did he tell you that people need to chant a so-called expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality?

You're merely wasting your time on a simple issue.

Any observant person knows coincidences happen a number of times in life. But there's no concrete scientific evidence why that occurs.


While Otem's model or explanation looks interesting, whether it's valid or not remains to be proven scientifically to be called a statement of fact.

Why are you getting worked up over a trivial issue to the extent of making different things up that only exist in your imagination just to show you're right?

Read my quote above again, especially the highlighted parts. Maybe by the time you read it like 10 times , your 2kB IQ will finally understand the following clear statements I made:

1. Coincidences happen a number of times in life.
2. There's no scientific evidence for what what causes them.
3. Otem says coincidental occurrences are caused by the power of nature called the power of coincidence.
4. His explanation or model of how such happens looks scientific and interesting, but it's still a claim until proven by concrete evidence in science.

Only a mischievous or an extremely dull person wouldn't be able to infer the following conclusions from all I've said so far.

The rest of your post above is a figment of the imagination of your obtuse mind.

A001:

Lols, you're not making sense at all. This is such a dull post.

Read my quote above again, especially the highlighted parts. Maybe by the time you read it like 10 times , your 2kb IQ will finally understand the following clear statements I made:

1. Coincidences happen a number of times in life.
2. There's no scientific evidence for what what causes them.
3. Otem says coincidental occurrences are caused by the power of nature called the power of coincidence.
4. His explanation or model of how such happens look scientific and interesting, but it's still a claim until proven by concrete evidence in science.

Only a mischievous or an extremely dull person wouldn't be able to infer the following conclusions from all I've said so far.

The rest of your post above is a figment of the imagination of your obtuse mind.

Calling someone dull or of a low intelligence doesn't make them that.

If I were all you described ,you don't need to mention it . Others following would confirm and prove it.
But as long as you're the only saying so, it means you're deluded.

Now , here you are mixing up two things together and you think you're making sense.
My disagreement is that there's nothing like coincidence having power to cause anything.

It is as simple as that.

Don't mix what you understand about coincidence which I can accept with that of the op. They are not the same

triplechoice:


[s]Calling someone dull or of a low intelligence doesn't make them that.

If I were all you described ,you don't need to mention it . Others following would confirm and prove it.
But as long as you're the only saying so, it means you're deluded.

Now , here you are mixing up two things together and you think you're making sense.
My disagreement is that there's nothing like coincidence having power to cause anything.

It is as simple as that.

Don't mix what you understand about coincidence which I can accept with that of the op. They are not the same[/s]

You're an extremely dull and mischievous person for making things up that don't exist in reality but only in your mind.

I made my points clear from the start, but your mischief has beclouded your sense of reasoning.

Whatever you believe about coincidence is none of my concern.

OtemAtum:


Sometimes when the ignorant ones think they are making points, we just have to leave them to their own fate. If you check all my posts, you will see that I don't shift any goalpost. I support my arguments in every aspect. If it comes in form of English Language, I defend it. If you bring it in form of science, I defend it as well. That's what you call 'not sticking to one thing?' Na wa o. So you expect me not to clarify things when you deliberately or ignorantly misquote me? That's impossible na

I can not help wonder what is wrong with you!

Why would you be arguing with those who have not bothered to read what you've been writing for years now? Can people who have not read a book understand what's in a book they never read?