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| Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 12:22pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
I have heard a lot of Christians always equate Jesus Christ as God Almighty but I've a question that has always been disturbing my mind. Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by Nobody: 12:29pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
shidof:you are just an unbaptized pagan 3 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 12:50pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
Bodmum:You're lost and delusional. Answer my question or use your logic. Try to always do your own research, don't rely on what you heard from people alone. Peace, beside you didn't answer my questions |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by Legalcriminal: 1:05pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
shidof: I have asked some of my Christian friends but can’t get a valid answer always jargons and nonsense some even denied they don’t call Jesus God. All I can tell you is they are just some fucking confuse human being. 2 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by DappaD: 1:18pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
The answer is pretty much easy. The Almighty God did not have a beginning(Psalm 93:2) while Jesus had a beginning. Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14 3 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by chatinent: 2:00pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
shidof: Jesus was created. God wasn't. Case closed. The problem started when people didn't know “God” was a title and the bearer had a name, Jehovah. 4 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 3:31pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
Legalcriminal:Cos it's illogical. They won't have a valid answer |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 3:31pm On Sep 26, 2021 |
DappaD:Thanks, we learn something new everyday |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by johnw47: 5:08am On Oct 01, 2021 |
DappaD: The Word of God, had a beginning in the flesh. john 1:14 before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25 God bought forth Wisdom out of Himself. The Spirit of Wisdom, The Spirit of knowledge etc. is that same One Holy Spirit that is God: Isa_11:2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. God possessed Wisdom at the beginning of His way/before His works of old. His works of old are of course, the beginning of His way God and Wisdom/The Word, was there at the beginning of creation God possessed Wisdom at creation, and before that Wisdom has always existed in God, of course God is greater than The Word of God/than The Lord Jesus Christ it was God Who bought Wisdom out of Himself, and Jesus is flesh God bringing Wisdom out of Himself can be likened to birth but not likened to create, because Wisdom always existed in God |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 3:52pm On Oct 01, 2021 |
johnw47:Hope you realised Jesus wasn't the only person that pass the word of God to people. Some prophet did it before and after him. What should we call them?? Blood or Spirit of God since you referred Jesus as the flesh of the God |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by johnw47: 11:18pm On Oct 01, 2021 |
shidof: The Lord Jesus Christ is "The Word of God" in the flesh before Jesus became Man He is called "The Word of God" and when He ascended back to heaven, He is again called "The Word of God" john 1 and revelation 19 Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by chiedu7: 1:21am On Oct 02, 2021 |
shidof: As Jesus Himself said, you know neither the bible nor the word of God Mark 12:24 ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath,which means the Jews worshiped Him Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath Thats Why David called Jesus His Lord Matthew 22 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? Because Jesus said that before Abraham was the Father of the Jews was, He Jesus Christ is "I AM" not "I WAS but I AM". This means Jesus lacks a beginning John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Jesus has always been, when He died on the cross the body died not the spirit. Jesus gave the Father His spirit, so the body could die Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Since His spirit was alive ,He Jesus took up His body to avoid rot John 10 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jesus said He is the Almighty, Remember Jesus is to come not the Father Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. So yes Jesus is FULL GOD, thats why the bible said that everything about being God is in Jesus. Including being almighty Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. So Yes Jesus is God Almighty who died for fools like you & sinners like me Amateur bible disputer you are  4 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 10:20am On Oct 02, 2021 |
johnw47:In summary, how does that Word of God equate to God. And can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God. Bible verses that says God is not Man Numbers 23:19 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9). Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me. When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30) In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36). 2 Likes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:27am On Oct 02, 2021 |
shidof:Matthew 28:19 ► Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Yes |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 10:59am On Oct 02, 2021 |
chiedu7:I can see that you're immature and a congenital fool because if not you won't be throwing tantrums in a harmless discussion. Can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God. Jesus called a man many times in the Bible ‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40) ‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22) ‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31) ‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5 Bible verses that says God is not Man Numbers 23:19 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9). Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me. When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it. The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30) In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36). |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 11:06am On Oct 02, 2021 |
chiedu7: Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him; ‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2) ‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23) ‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23) Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God ‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3) On Jesus died for sinners like you; To a christian like you that believed Jesus Christ is God, You mean that God Almighty had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse: ‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7) God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind. ‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10 ‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28 |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 11:07am On Oct 02, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:And this still shows that Jesus isn't God cos he was ordered by the God Almighty 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:08pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
shidof: https://www.nairaland.com/6625953/bible-proves-jesus-god 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:30pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
shidof: Jesus is God just like Moses {Exodus 7:1} but not the Almighty God! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18  |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 2:27pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:but some people believe Jesus is the same as the Almighty God. Besides, how many God do you even think we have |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by Polynek(m): 2:40pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
The theory of TRINITY is too mysterious for our comprehension |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by FreedomfromtheT: 3:02pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
Jesus told us that He is the ALMIGHTY in Revelation 1:8. He can't be the ALMIGHTY without being God. He has no beginning (Micah 5:2). Thomas called Him God and He didn't repudiate that (John 20:28). 1st Timothy 3:16 tells us "And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory". And who is 1st Timothy 3:16 referring to? Of course, it is referring to JESUS CHRIST. While in the flesh, Jesus Christ deliberately derobbed Himself of His nature of God. He became subservient to the Father, prayed to Him and depended on Him. He was obedient to the Father even unto death on the Cross for the salvation of humanity. It was deliverate. He teaches us humility by so doing (Philipians 2:3-  . Yes, Jesus Christ is not the same as the Father but He is God all the same. That brings up the idea of the Trinity - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, which some confused minds do not understand. If course they can't because the Scriptures call it a mystery. With these few points of mine, I don't expect to convince those whose minds have been sealed that Jesus Christ is God. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 3:04pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:All what you wrote there didn't justify that Jesus is God. This is part of the reasons you gave 1 Corinthians 8:6 “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” I've a question for you on it. Can 1 and 2 = 1, can Bishopkingsley and Shidof = Shidof ? So, how can God, the father and Jesus Christ = God. It's illogical and no mathematics or logic rules can back that |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 3:07pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
FreedomfromtheT:Trinity is illogical, you can't support it with a biblical Verse. As you can see above, we've got many verses in Bible that showed us that Jesus Christ isn't God even Jesus said the same thing himself except you're denying the Bible or the Bible is contradicting itself |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:24pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
shidof:According to Apostle Paul there are many Gods but when the Bible say many Gods then the next question is how many do faithful servants of God worship? The Bible referred to both Moses and Jesus as God {Exodus 7:1; John 1:1} while Moses and Jesus acknowledged that even though they lived as Gods in the midst of humans they're not to be worshiped rather there is a greater God that they themselves worship! Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29 This is the God Moses knew as the Almighty God {Exodus 6:2-3 compare to Psalms 83:18} and Jesus also referred to as his father and our father and his God and God! John 20:17 So both Moses and Jesus agreed that worship belongs to another person totally different and greater than them! John 14:28 1 Like |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 5:02pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Thanks for the clarification. I love the way you break down everything. Well understood |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:10pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
When you come in contact with a true Christian the Bible becomes your friend that you'll feel like reading, studying and meditating on what's written in this most precious book ever written. But in the face of TRINITY the Bible becomes a mystery never to be fully understood! shidof: |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by Bishopkingsley(m): 5:25pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
Polynek: It not you are made up of Body soul and spirit You are image of God as God is so are you God is one being manifesting in three dimensions |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:19pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by hupernikao: 7:43pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
shidof: You must observe well, all the testimonies of the prophets in the scriptures, their writings and prophecies to understand why Jesus is the God of OT. This will become clear when you read their writings properly. They spoke in clear terms of a God, that will come in human flesh to save. This is the basis of the doctrine. When you read the whole Bible together, this will make more sense to you. That 1. The God in Genesis was the one who is only from the beginning (one God). 2. The same God is who came in human flesh as Jesus, a man, called the son of God. This is the reason, Jesus, the man was referred to as God, because of his preexistence as God. So, Jesus, a man, existed as the only God in the beginning but came to us in humanity. Hence why he can suffer, die and cry. Those are traits of a man not God. God can't die. Hence he exhibited all traits of man in his humanity. So, when ever, you mention Jesus always know you will see the attribute of man in display, as that was God in the flesh (man). This is why and how salvation of man was possible. |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by FreedomfromtheT: 8:51pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
shidof:I said it! You are obviously one of those whose minds are sealed. I am not responding because of you but because of those whose minds are open. I quoted a lot of verses showing that Jesus is God and explaining why He had to subordinate Himself to the Father. As for your false assertion that I can't support Trinity with one verse of the Bible, I want those who are not blind to read Matthew 28:20; John 1:1; John 20:28; Acts 5: 3,4; Acts 20:28; Hebrews 9:13,14; 1st Timothy 3:16; Revelation 1:8 and specifically 1st John 5:7 which reads" For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one". That is Trinity right there. As for Trinity being illogical (from the human perspective), may be, but as for being supported by a biblical verse, as those who are not blind can see, there more than one verse showing that just as the Father is God, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) is equally God. Thank you. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Is Jesus Christ The Same As Almighty God by shidof(m): 9:35pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
FreedomfromtheT:You're still not giving the right answers. You quoted Bible and I quoted bibles verses that showed that Jesus isn't God for you. Guess you've your own version or understanding of the Bible that differs from everyone own or can you denying any of the Bible verses I quoted above. Those that have eyes and clear understanding can see that what you quoted didn't Justify that Jesus is God or do we still need holy spirit to understand Bible that was written in plain English. Your obstinate nature and blind doctrines won't make you accept the fact that's even clear to the blind. 2 Likes |
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