StJohnofChrist:
Good day, I hope I find you in good health and peace of mind.

How are you sure of what you say in the bolded, kindly use scriptural references to explain.

Tell you what.

God Himself is Witness to the fact that I know His Word, and that I do quote Scripture (see my posts if you like).

But in this particular case, instead of taking my word for it, my hope is that for anyone else reading this, they will simply read the Gospel Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John for themselves.

If their heart is True to God, they'll learn from Jesus Himself... and see all of what I said in this post is true, and that once-saved-alway-saved is false.

Note that the Word of Jesus Christ in Gospels does not leave us incomplete in our Salvation, and should be learned first and always kept.

Only after that should one read the rest of Scripture, in order to see it in the proper light of Jesus.

The discernment of all other Scripture must conform to the Gospels, to keep the Word of Jesus as the foundation of all Love and Truth.

I also hope readers use a reasonable Bible like the NKJV (New King James Version) or the KJV... not some late-model deceitful Bible.

Good day.

awitness41:



If we don't DO our part (which is NOT "trying to add to one's Salvation", but merely DOing what Jesus teaches), then we break the Covenant, thereby rejecting God's Grace as well.

That's just simple fact - God has a part and we have a part in the relationship defined by the Covenant.

You are now twisting your statement the only way I can catch you and trap you is through direct question

My brother answer this question let see if you follow the Bible or your own thoughts

Question 2
Are you the one that will make yourself to be saved, that will qualify yourself to make heaven

Question 3
Are you the one to elect yourself to be chosen by God, are you the one who has the power to chose who you want to worship

Question4
Is it your good works that can save you

Question5
Do God know what your free will will do even before you were born

awitness41:



Anyway... on a different note, are you really a "bishop" ?
If so, which "church" ?
Do you use that title in your username for a particular reason ?

I don't like to promote any church or any human being but any church you see that believes in this things Jesus said here is the kind of church I recommend to people

Matthew 28:19 ►
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Because God manifest as
The Father
The son
The holy spirit

Same way he created us
Man is made up of

Body
Soul
Spirit

awitness41:




One would think from the false doctrine you're promoting that "trying to do one's part" is not something a Christian is allowed to do.
But only the devil wants us to avoid the teachings of Jesus Christ... the One Who commands us what to... DO.

I only teach what is in the Bible
I teach the truth and you are the one who teaches what Bible calls self Righteousness
Which is a false doctrine and a deadly thing to do

The only way you can understand why you don't understand this truth is I asked you before

Question 6
Tell me one thing that you have that God did not give you since you say you have small thing that you can do to make your work with God enter well in other to be saved

Question 7
Did God plan the life of Jesus or did did Jesus just do anything that he wanted to do when he came to this earth

Question 8
Did God know where Jesus will end up did God know where Jesus free will will eventually end up or did God leave it to Jesus free will to determine where he will end up

Question 9
Kindly name the things that you can do without Jesus or without God

Bishopkingsley:


You are now twisting your statement the only way I can catch you and trap you is through direct question

My brother answer this question let see if you follow the Bible or your own thoughts

Question
Are you the one that will make yourself to be saved, that will qualify yourself to make heaven

Question
Are you the one to elect yourself to be chosen by God, are you the one who has the power to chose who you want to worship

Question
Is it your good works that can save you

Question
Do God know what your free will will do even before you were born

Please BK, stop.

You do not know me, you only know your own wrongful assumptions about me.

I know God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit very well, as They are all Witness... and anyone is welcome to read my posts.

You cannot disprove anything I've said without throwing something away that Jesus Christ said.

I, being a Believer, trust the readers to decide for themselves, by pointing to them to Jesus Christ, not myself.

Therefore, I do trust the Holy Spirit to guide the True-hearted to the Truth... they should take Jesus' Word for it, not mine alone.

This trust is not something I have of myself, but only Trust in God and Jesus who can guide anyone to the Truth through Their Word, the Holy Spirit, and prayer.

Again - to the others reading this:
If you think you have zero part to play in your own Salvation, that would be wrong.
Learn from Jesus, and do what He says; God will provide the Grace to keep you.
By doing what Jesus says, you're not "earning your Salvation" as the false-accusers will accuse you of.
(Also ask yourself - who would want me to NOT do what Jesus says ? God and Jesus ? Or the devil ?)
No, you're only doing what Jesus Christ says, because you Love God, Jesus, and others, even more than your formerly sinful self.
Keep the the Word of Jesus Christ in the Gospels... it will literally Save your life, both in this time of earthly life, and in the Life to come.
Amen.

awitness41:


Please BK, stop.

You do not know me, you only know your own wrongful assumptions about me.

I know God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit very well, as They are all Witness... and anyone is welcome to read my posts.

You cannot disprove anything I've said without throwing something away that Jesus Christ said.

I, being a Believer, trust the readers to decide for themselves, by pointing to them to Jesus Christ, not myself.

Therefore, I do trust the Holy Spirit to guide the True-hearted to the Truth... they should take Jesus' Word for it, not mine alone.

This trust is not something I have of myself, but only Trust in God and Jesus who can guide anyone to the Truth through Their Word, the Holy Spirit, and prayer.

Again - to the others reading this:
If you think you have zero part to play in your own Salvation, that would be wrong.
Learn from Jesus, and do what He says; God will provide the Grace to keep you.
By doing what Jesus says, you're not "earning your Salvation" as the false-assusers will accuse you of.
(Also ask yourself - who would want me to NOT do what Jesus says ? God and Jesus ? Or the devil ?)
No, you're only doing what Jesus Christ says, because you Love God, Jesus, and others, even more than your formerly sinful self.
Keep the the Word of Jesus Christ in the Gospels... it will literally Save your life, both in this time of earthly life, and in the Life to come.
Amen.

awitness41:



You cannot disprove anything I've said without throwing something away that Jesus Christ said.

Ephesians 1:4 ►
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

New Living Translation
Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.

English Standard Version
even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love

Berean Study Bible
For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love

Berean Literal Bible
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world for us to be holy and blameless before Him, in love

King James Bible
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

New King James Version
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

Question 10
awitness41: please kindly explain this scripture to me
PLEASE KINDLY EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURES TO ME

OH HOW WONDERFUL OUR GOD IS AND HIS WAYS PAST FINDING OUT

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will - to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment - to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession - to the praise of his glory. (Ephesians 1:4-14; NIV throughout).

Now, humanly speaking, it might seem that those in The Book of Life are only entered therein because of the behavioural record to be found in 'the books,' but plainly that is not so. God works differently to the way we might work. He has already decided, or elected, even from the foundation of this world, who is in The Book of Life! He foreknew us (Romans 8:29-30). Don't forget that our God has past, present and future always before Him! However, He did not elect us because He saw we would be "good," that is unbiblical

Romans 8:29-30
King James Version
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:24-28).

Jesus was saying, 'look, fortunately this whole thing is from God and in His hands. With Him all things are possible! He chided them when He noted they were developing a gloomy view of just who can and will be saved; this is very important to note. Other Scriptures worth noting in this connection are Romans 14:11, Colossians 1:20 and Isaiah 45:23-24


To reiterate: those saved right now are not saved because of their works but because of divine, eternal election. These people are not perfect but are under grace, when they do wrong they are punished but not taken out of the Lamb's Book of Life. The Bible contains many examples of the lives of these people, such as Abraham, Ruth, David, Rahab, Daniel, Elijah, Samson and many, many others. They are saved because they are under election, not because of their own 'righteousness.

Saved from what ?

God ?

sonmvayina:
Saved from what ?

God ?

Are you a sinner have you ever sinned if yes then you are going to receive a reward for disobedience to God commandment which is hell


.... That is what you are saved from
God saves you from separation from him and gives you life eternal with Jesus

The thought I have for you

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Jeremiah 29:11 ►
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

New Living Translation
For I know the plans I have for you,” says the LORD. “They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.

Bishopkingsley:


Are you a sinner have you ever sinned if yes then you are going to receive a reward for disobedience to God commandment which is hell


.... That is what you are saved from
God saves you from separation from him and gives you life eternal with Jesus

Lol..very funny.

Man has already been judged.
"From dust tou where made, to dust you shall return".

All these stick and carrot that the romans has brain washed you with arw all lies. Can't you think for yourself. Can't you see through the lie?

Hello brothers and good day whichever timezone this finds you. I thank God for this wonderful thread where people can come and air their opinions about the love of God and saving grace of the Lord of Jesus; which is the love of God.

However I desire we all bring scriptural references when saying things that clearly require explaining, so the bible is "loudspeakered" in our midst and not our philosophies and logical reasoning.

sonmvayina:


Lol..very funny.

Man has already been judged.
"From dust tou where made, to dust you shall return".

All these stick and carrot that the romans has brain washed you with arw all lies. Can't you think for yourself. Can't you see through the lie?

Which book is your beliefs based on Bible or old testament or Torah which one

sonmvayina:


Lol..very funny.

Man has already been judged.
"From dust tou where made, to dust you shall return".

All these stick and carrot that the romans has brain washed you with arw all lies. Can't you think for yourself. Can't you see through the lie?

Yes, you're right, man has been judged, to dust we must return, yes. However that is clear; physical death, I don't understand what you desire us to see though.

However, the Bible says, John3:16 : For God so Loved the world, that HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM, SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. , now that is not relating to physical death.

1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Bishopkingsley:


Which book is your beliefs based on Bible or old testament or Torah which one

God gave the whole of mankind his divine laws to follow and keep, so that we will have a more fulfilling life. At the end of the day when we expire. our body returns to earth and spirit returns to God..

There is no tradition anywhere around the world that God was going to have a son by impregnating another man's wife . No where, what kind of insult is that? And you are foolishly propagating it.

God created heaven and earth, there is no mention of man going to hell or heaven. God gave the earth to man. We lost the chance to dwell indefinitely on it. So he decreed death for man. (Came from dust, return to dust) obey God's commandments and live.

StJohnofChrist:

Yes, you're right, man has been judged, to dust we must return, yes. However that is clear; physical death, I don't understand what you desire us to see though.

However, the Bible says, John3:16 : For God so Loved the world, that HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM, SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. , now that is not relating to physical death.

1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Amos 3:7 says "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet. "
If you can show me the prophet that God told that he will impregnate another man's wife to have a son that he was sending as a sacrifice for sin in the old testament. I will believe you.
There is just no where God said that. The so called Jesus story is a fabrication by the romans to deceive people like you. Christianity started as the worship of serapis, serapis became Jesus at the Council of Ephesus in about 430 AD.
God has got nothing to do with the gospels stories..he has no son. We are all his children.

Hello brother, there's one caution one must take when one handles the old testament scriptures, that is, one must pay attention to the Audience
Mostly, throughout the book of Deutronomy, Moses was directly speaking to the israelites, warning them, cautioning them, helping them, guiding them, relating with them. The israelites were the audience, not everything in it should be seen as directly for the man in Christ, nonetheless there are Godly instructions we can receive from them. E.g the ten commandments.

sonmvayina:


God gave the whole of mankind his divine laws to follow and keep, so that we will have a more fulfilling life. At the end of the day when we expire. our body returns to earth and spirit returns to God..

There is no tradition anywhere around the world that God was going to have a son by impregnating another man's wife . No where, what kind of insult is that? And you are foolishly propagating it.

God created heaven and earth, there is no mention of man going to hell or heaven. God gave the earth to man. We lost the chance to dwell indefinitely on it. So he decreed death for man. (Came from dust, return to dust) obey God's commandments and live.

I only asked you a simple question

Which book is your beliefs based on Bible or old testament or Torah which one

sonmvayina:


Amos 3:7 says "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet. "
If you can show me the prophet that God told that he will impregnate another man's wife to have a son that he was sending as a sacrifice for sin in the old testament. I will believe you.
There is just no where God said that. The so called Jesus story is a fabrication by the romans to deceive people like you. Christianity started as the worship of serapis, serapis became Jesus at the Council of Ephesus in about 430 AD.
God has got nothing to do with the gospels stories..he has no son. We are all his children.

From this I see that you beleive old testament Bible

Question
Have you ever read where God told Moses to make a bronze serpent and place it on a tree who ever looks at it won't die from snakes bite

Bishopkingsley:


From this I see that you beleive old testament Bible

Question
Have you ever read where God told Moses to make a bronze serpent and place it on a tree who ever looks at it won't die from snakes bite

Yes, I understand the story...but I doubt you do.

Bishopkingsley:


I only asked you a simple question

Which book is your beliefs based on Bible or old testament or Torah which one

I follow God's commandments. It is called the Torah by the jews but we igbo calls it omenani and odinani..

sonmvayina:


Yes, I understand the story...but I doubt you do.

What do you understand of the story if I may ask?

sonmvayina:


I follow God's commandments. It is called the Torah by the jews but we igbo calls it omenani and odinani..

It's widely said the ten commandments are God's commandments but clearly we use the term "The ten commandments" because it was inspired of God and given by Moses to the Israelites because of their sinful nature.

However, 1 John 4:20-21 has it that If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Although he's talking about loving, but we soon see his love and commandment clearly.

1 John 5:1-13 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Hence we see from the bible that, God gave his son, and not believing this means we say God has lied and the record that he gave his son is null.

If you recall John 3 : 16 : For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever would believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

sonmvayina:


Yes, I understand the story...but I doubt you do.

It does matter what you doubt remember I once asked you this questions which you failed to admit before until I gave you prove remember

Any way have you now changed your mind that it was not the serpent lord

sonmvayina:


Lol...that is not the creator.

That is the same serpent lord that was in Eden..Ninghizsida.

Read the original Hebrew Bible..

The bible contains story of different gods as the jews where moving accross the desert, these gods were also with them.

sonmvayina:


Amos 3:7 says "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet. "
If you can show me the prophet that God told that he will impregnate another man's wife to have a son that he was sending as a sacrifice for sin in the old testament. I will believe you.
There is just no where God said that. The so called Jesus story is a fabrication by the romans to deceive people like you. Christianity started as the worship of serapis, serapis became Jesus at the Council of Ephesus in about 430 AD.
God has got nothing to do with the gospels stories..he has no son. We are all his children.

Isaiah the prophet knew because God told him,

Isaiah 7:13-16 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

It just so happens the virgin Mary was espoused to Joseph the carpenter. God had already told David that the saviour was to come forth from his lineage.

One might argue that Joseph isn't the father of the child, yes, but identity would say yes, as Jesus was widely called "The son of a carpenter". Although they didn't know he was a miracle child.

The wisdom of God.

Joseph was of prophet David's lineage(The author of the book of PSALMS)

God is omniscient, which literally means “all-knowing.”

1 John 3:20b
20b. We know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-knowing.”
God knows if you are going to make heaven or hell because you are were even created before the foundation of the world



Psalm 139:2-4
2 You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.
3 You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.
4 Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely

ALL YOUR SINS FORGIVEN FOREVER

And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This He set aside, nailing it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:13-14 ESV)

How is the Righteousness of God revealed

By faith as it is written the just shall live by faith

Proverbs 5:21;
For your ways are in full view of the LORD, and he examines all your paths.

New Living Translation
For the LORD sees clearly what a man does, examining every path he takes.




For a man's ways are in full view of the LORD, and he examines all his paths. the evil deeds of a wicked man ensnare him; the cords of his sin hold him fast. God sees all we do. .