Ovamboland:


How many northern states were able to rightly divide local issues by voting different parties at state and federal level? Who is supposed to be sophisticated in politics? Even if you have issues with Ajimobi because he talks too much not that he failed to perform, why on earth will you want to replace Osinbajo with Obi in Aso Rock? What exactly will Obi do for Oyo or larger SW that Osinbajo will not or has not given?
That's shallow thinking and emotional voting that even illiterate northern voters are starting to overcome by the ability to switch between local issues and strategic group interest.

Every region positions to take central power, how really does making Obi VP or Atiku president in 2019 help SW move closer or take power in 2023? Maybe you can explain.

This is the power that ibo have now started killing themselves including Ibo professors over. That's what sophisticated Yoruba want to throw away because Ajimobi now late, spoke in a lousy manner.

You might say herdsmen, will getting farther away from power make solutions come faster? Will giving it to Ibo make SW a priority to protect SW? Make it make sense.

You're arguing based off false assertions and it's quite irritating. The election you speak of in Oyo and Ondo state were largely a tie between both parties plus considering all the suffering from your beloveth party APC do you expect total support in 2015 from the state when herdsmen have almost crippled agricultural activities in the state? South west governors from all parties came out to form Amotekun last year and your APC party men like malami were foaming in the mouth like idiots pushing against the governors from protecting their region......PDP and APC are both failures but it has never been this bad. Or should herdsmen take over our land before we get Yoruba presidency No Yoruba man's life is worth the ambitions of tinubu....other regions can be sacrificing the lives of their people for some presidency but not in Yorubaland. I have no issues with tinubu but he went to the north instead of picking from a range of better leaders in the north he went on to partner with a sick dog called buhari and we're all seeing the consequences for that.

I don't play party politics, it's tribal politics as long as it's a Yoruba that has his regions interest.

Ovamboland:


Only dumb Yoruba don't know that Igboho represent a Yoruba political tendency envious of Tinubu political success and will rather support Fulani or Ibo candidate against Tinubu or any of his associates in any elections.

That's why Arewa or Ohaneze will always support their tribesman to have advantage while only Afenifere is supporting candidate of other faraway tribes when their own fellow Yoruba are at last lap of easily clinching the presidency.

Only Dumbo's think there's a real plan for a Yoruba nation, even the old man leading the fringe campaign will be shocked at the manner he was used for high stakes politics with the snatching of his project by thugs representing Yoruba political class out of power.

See your life.

LegendHero:


It is not more liberalness, it’s starting to be foolishness.

But let’s just call it liberalness until it gets worse. When it’s worse, the liberals themselves will come to their senses.

I’m seeing it as foolishness as well honestly.

OlogoJ:
@MrMaestro: You see the Yorubas that are kissing ibo azzes, especially on social media, are doing so for optics; to appear 'woke', sophisticated, and detribalized. Not realizing that ibos no send them; ibos will only like you if they feel they can intimidate and dominate you. These yorubas know quite well that 'saint Obi' is no different than any other Nigerian politician, but they're blinded by a want for validation. Tinubu has helped more Ibos than Obi has cared to help yorubas, but none of that matters because there's an agenda to demarket him in order to elevate ibos like Obi. The same Obi that is a renowned bigot and ibo supremacist. It is what it is.

This is very very true. It’s only a matter of time before they start getting called out for the Yoruba Traitors that they are.

TheSupleemLeada:
But OP....at the end of the day, on the flip side of things.

Look at which region has experienced more peace compared to other regions in Nigeria.

North is dealing with banditry and terrorism.

South east is dealing with unknown gunmen and ipob.

South south just finished dealing with militancy not so long ago.

With all their clannishness and agenda what has it brought them except for sorrow, pain and tears. The only downside is the increased in flow of economic migrants into our region. Yorubas just need to learn how to balance the liberalism and conservatism, be more logical, politically aware and tribally conscious.

Great post. You're a wise man who knows precisely what's up. 100% agree with your opinions especially the bolded part.

LegendHero:


Do you mean I mocked Sunday Igboho or why exactly are you quoting me?

I support Tinubu and I support Sunday Igboho too. So maybe you might want to direct this mention to someone else.

Thanks.

That guy is a lunatic omo ale and a shill. In fact he is the quintessential example of short-sighted Yorubas this thread is about.

I actually suspect he is one of those Igbos who has grown up in the SW and goes around pretending to be Yoruba because he wants to be Yoruba.

Yet the hate for Yorubas indoctrinated into him in his Igbo household continues to force him to always be against everything good for Yorubas as the average Igbo is.

TheSupleemLeada:
But OP....at the end of the day, on the flip side of things.

Look at which region has experienced more peace compared to other regions in Nigeria.

North is dealing with banditry and terrorism.

South east is dealing with unknown gunmen and ipob.

South south just finished dealing with militancy not so long ago.

With all their clannishness and agenda what has it brought them except for sorrow, pain and tears. The only downside is the increased in flow of economic migrants into our region. Yorubas just need to learn how to balance the liberalism and conservatism, be more logical, politically aware and tribally conscious.

I agree, I’m always one to point out rising minor issues before they become major ones. But even right now, the young Yorubas are WAY too liberal. And that NEEDS to change.

OneTemplate:


That guy is a lunatic omo ale and a shill. In fact he is the quintessential example of short-sighted Yorubas this thread is about.

I actually suspect he is one of those Igbos who has grown up in the SW and goes around pretending to be Yoruba because he wants to be Yoruba.

Yet the hate for Yorubas indoctrinated into him in his Igbo household continues to force him to always be against everything good for Yorubas as the average Igbo is.

You might actually be right about him. A lot of them are numerous online like that.

@OP.

I agree with the point you are making. Yoruba 'liberalism' would be good and even exemplary if others played to similar rules and adhered to same ethos for the sake of building a great nation where everybody and every ethnic group is equal in the eyes of the Nigerian constitution and laws.

Yet our ways, commitments and thinking is idiocy in Nigeria that is an ethnically 'charged' nation and a mere "geographical expression".

Our ways put us at a massive disadvantage. We could actually have 'cleaned up' ages ago, to make thw SW the Dubai of Nigeria, if we are as blindly clannish and as ethnocentrically machiavellian as the Igbos and Fulanis.

The Fulanis and Hausas are even a bit better but imagine if Igbos, in their SE region, had our human, geographical and material endowment?

They would have walled up their own region ages ago to prevent anyone coming in!!!!!

Yet we open our doors to everybody and commit to multicultural, egalitarian and cosmopolitan societies not seen anywhere else in Nigeria.

Has it now not turned out , with the Nigeria of today, that we are merely playing into the hand of others who are covetous, sinister, deceptive and wicked with our liberal, accommodating and 'principled' approach to everything?

MrMaestro:


I agree, I’m always one to point out rising minor issues before they become major ones. But even right now, the young Yorubas are WAY too liberal. And that NEEDS to change.

Totally agree. They are all walking around 'blind' and at perpetual risk of falling into a pit others, covetous of what they have, have dug for them.

I don't insult and belittle Igbos here because I hate them.

I do it because I realise there is no profit, in a cruel world, for being good, kind and accomodating to covetous, expansionist and ethnocentric elements who mean you harm and want to profit at your expense and to your detriment.

The golden rule of making progress is to adopt the mantra "when in Rome behave like a Roman".

Yorubas cannot be in ethno-religiously bigoted and clannishly machiavellian Nigeria while we continue to behave as if we are in the UK or other nations where tolerance and liberalism pays and has actually raised the bar of nationhood to promote cosmopolitan harmony.

What we are doing now, especially in regards to our 'blind' youths, is self-destructive.

OlogoJ:
@MrMaestro: You see the Yorubas that are kissing ibo azzes, especially on social media, are doing so for optics; to appear 'woke', sophisticated, and detribalized. Not realizing that ibos no send them; ibos will only like you if they feel they can intimidate and dominate you. These yorubas know quite well that 'saint Obi' is no different than any other Nigerian politician, but they're blinded by a want for validation. Tinubu has helped more Ibos than Obi has cared to help yorubas, but none of that matters because there's an agenda to demarket him in order to elevate ibos like Obi. The same Obi that is a renowned bigot and ibo supremacist. It is what it is.

Who does not know Yorubas especially christians are naive about Nigerian politics? Their Islamophobia has blinded them to Igbo shenanigans.

OneTemplate:
@OP.

I agree with the point you are making. Yoruba 'liberalism' would be good and even exemplary if others played to similar rules and adhered to same ethos for the sake of building a great nation where everybody and every ethnic group is equal in the eyes of the Nigerian constitution and laws.

Yet our ways, commitments and thinking is idiocy in Nigeria that is an ethnically 'charged' nation and a mere "geographical expression".

Our ways put us at a massive disadvantage. We could actually have 'cleaned up' ages ago, to make thw SW the Dubai of Nigeria, if we are as blindly clannish and as ethnocentrically machiavellian as the Igbos and Fulanis.

The Fulanis and Hausas are even a bit better but imagine if Igbos, in their SE region, had our human, geographical and material endowment?

They would have walled up their own region ages ago to prevent anyone coming in!!!!!

Yet we open our doors to everybody and commit to multicultural, egalitarian and cosmopolitan societies not seen anywhere else in Nigeria.

Has it now not turned out , with the Nigeria of today, that we are merely playing into the hand of others who are covetous, sinister, deceptive and wicked with our liberal, accommodating and 'principled' approach to everything?

We definitely are unfortunately. But in order to remove ourselves from this situation we only need a small and strong group of 10% that evokes the ethnocentric and Machiavellian ideals we want to see replicated, chastise those that don’t act in this way (this is the most important part), and we’ll start to see changes. These traitors care more about what people think about them than anything else. We need to be the loudest group in the room to make them shift to supporting the group or be labeled the traitorous agents that they are.

Ovamboland:


How many northern states were able to rightly divide local issues by voting different parties at state and federal level? Who is supposed to be sophisticated in politics? Even if you have issues with Ajimobi because he talks too much not that he failed to perform, why on earth will you want to replace Osinbajo with Obi in Aso Rock? What exactly will Obi do for Oyo or larger SW that Osinbajo will not or has not given?
That's shallow thinking and emotional voting that even illiterate northern voters are starting to overcome by the ability to switch between local issues and strategic group interest.

Every region positions to take central power, how really does making Obi VP or Atiku president in 2019 help SW move closer or take power in 2023? Maybe you can explain.

This is the power that ibo have now started killing themselves including Ibo professors over. That's what sophisticated Yoruba want to throw away because Ajimobi now late, spoke in a lousy manner.

You might say herdsmen, will getting farther away from power make solutions come faster? Will giving it to Ibo make SW a priority to protect SW? Make it make sense.

Guy, you are too much.

TheSupleemLeada:


You're arguing based off false assertions and it's quite irritating. The election you speak of in Oyo and Ondo state were largely a tie between both parties plus considering all the suffering from your beloveth party APC do you expect total support in 2015 from the state when herdsmen have almost crippled agricultural activities in the state? South west governors from all parties came out to form Amotekun last year and your APC party men like malami were foaming in the mouth like idiots pushing against the governors from protecting their region......PDP and APC are both failures but it has never been this bad. Or should herdsmen take over our land before we get Yoruba presidency No Yoruba man's life is worth the ambitions of tinubu....other regions can be sacrificing the lives of their people for some presidency but not in Yorubaland. I have no issues with tinubu but he went to the north instead of picking from a range of better leaders in the north he went on to partner with a sick dog called buhari and we're all seeing the consequences for that.

I don't play party politics, it's tribal politics as long as it's a Yoruba that has his regions interest.

if you fail to see why Tinubu had to partner Buhari, you are a sophisticated mumu man.

Akanbiedu:


if you fail to see why Tinubu had to partner Buhari, you are a sophisticated mumu man.

Don't carry your sacrifice past the mosque.

LegendHero:


You might actually be right about him. A lot of them are numerous online like that.

Indeed. Beyond annoying Igbos pretending to be Yorubas are our own lost and irredeemable omo ale Yorubas who care more about being perceived as liberal and principled than understanding that protecting your own interest is paramount above everything else in Nigeria.

There is not a single Igbo in this world who would vote Osinbajo or Tinubu instead of Obi. Yet we have many, many Yorubas who would commit the madness of voting Obi instead of Tinubi or Osinbajo.

Same Obi who has openly and shamelessly shown ethnocentric bias against Yorubas.

Like you opined earlier, nothing highlights that some Yorubas are lost and 'born throway' more than the lunacy of canonizing Osinbajo while hating on BAT and demonizing him.

Would Osinbajo be VP, let alone be talked of as a 2023 Presidential candidate, but for BAT?

Igbos insult Tinubu 24/7 and are obsessed with him because they wish they had someone like him in their corner.

The North fear BAT because his magnanimity, political sagacity, leadership excellence, mentoring and bridge-building has even compromised their ranks to the extent many of their big players remain unapologetically loyal to BAT.

Yet what do some shill Yorubas want us to do with this irreplaceable treasure? Destroy him, and inadvertently destroy ourselves, just so they appear 'liberal' and principled beyond reproach.

Shill bastards and saboteurs. We must start tackling them. Ko no da fun wan. Awon ako ti ile ta jati jati.

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OneTemplate:


Indeed. Beyond annoying Igbos pretending to be Yorubas are our own lost and irredeemable omo ale Yorubas who care more about being perceived as liberal and principled than understanding that protecting your own interest is paramount above everything else in Nigeria.

There is not a single Igbo in this world who would vote Osinbajo or Tinubu instead of Obi. Yet we have many, many Yorubas who would commit the madness of voting Obi instead of Tinubi or Osinbajo.

Same Obi who has openly and shamelessly shown ethnocentric bias against Yorubas.

Like you opined earlier, nothing highlights that some Yorubas are lost and 'born throway' more than the lunacy of canonizing Osinbajo while hating on BAT and demonizing him.

Would Osinbajo be VP, let alone be talked of as a 2023 Presidential candidate, but for BAT?

Igbos insult Tinubu 24/7 and are obsessed with him because they wish they had someone like him in their corner.

The North fear BAT because his magnanimity, political sagacity, leadership excellence, mentoring and bridge-building has even compromised their ranks to the extent many of their big players remain unapologetically loyal to BAT.

Yet what do some shill Yorubas want us to do with this irreplaceable treasure? Destroy him, and inadvertently destroy ourselves, just so they appear 'liberal' and principled beyond reproach.

Shill bastard and saboteurs. We must start tackling them. Ko no da fun wan. Awon ako ti ile ta jati jati.

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I love this thread.

AchalugoNwa:

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IPOBian, don't you have an Igbo Professor or Doctor to kill and dismember? Get lost. Scram.

OneTemplate:


IPOBian, don't you have an Igbo Professor or Doctor to kill and dismember? Get lost. Scram.

Mynd44 Lalasticlala Seun
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AchalugoNwa:
Mynd44 Lalasticlala Seun
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Lol. Typical Igbo. Rush to insult others first only to then play innocent victim. You lot are something wlse.

SE is so obsessed with SW. Upon all the security issues bedeveling SE Yoruba being naive is your problem. Nigeria is 61, how has SE performed. There is nothing to even talk about about the SE.

MrMaestro:
I’m just sitting here wondering about the Peter Obi scandal. Not declaring all of your assets before getting into office is a crime. Period. And it’s quite clear that every Igbo on earth is making excuses and supporting this man. But my question is, when did Yorubas become so naive, and so traitorous?!? The Northerners have shown that they will NEVER turn on their own powerful politicians no matter what crime they do. The Igbos have shown they will NEVER turn on their own powerful politicians no matter what they do.

So why is it only Yorubas performing SOPHISTICATED slowpoke AND BEING TRAITORS to other Yorubas by throwing Tinubu, Sanwo Olu under the bus? And when did this start? Does anyone have an answer?

On Obi, it is clearly against the law to hold office without declaring all of your assets. Because when you DECLARE it, the government can ensure you are not using your position to give your business more money. If it is undeclared, how can it be tracked. But regardless, stealing or not, not declaring it before taking office is a crime. Just see the people below making excuses for this crime boldly and shamelessly.

Hmmmmn

TheSupleemLeada:


You're arguing based off false assertions and it's quite irritating. The election you speak of in Oyo and Ondo state were largely a tie between both parties plus considering all the suffering from your beloveth party APC do you expect total support in 2015 from the state when herdsmen have almost crippled agricultural activities in the state? South west governors from all parties came out to form Amotekun last year and your APC party men like malami were foaming in the mouth like idiots pushing against the governors from protecting their region......PDP and APC are both failures but it has never been this bad. Or should herdsmen take over our land before we get Yoruba presidency No Yoruba man's life is worth the ambitions of tinubu....other regions can be sacrificing the lives of their people for some presidency but not in Yorubaland. I have no issues with tinubu but he went to the north instead of picking from a range of better leaders in the north he went on to partner with a sick dog called buhari and we're all seeing the consequences for that.

I don't play party politics, it's tribal politics as long as it's a Yoruba that has his regions interest.

I see you are one of the dumpy and lack strategic thinking or understand group interest. What will Atiku or Obi do to eliminate herdsmen problem overnight, a problem that was festering even while Atiku was VP for 8 years and they could not see it will burst Open. Ranching should have been encourage 40 years ago. If solutions are not found now our security forces don't have the resources or manpower to end open grazing and clashes can only get worse. Best is to keep the herders in a place as alternative to separate criminals from them.
You think Atiku will round up herders overnight and sequester them? You're more naive than I thought initially.

You play tribal politics but will sacrifice Tinubu, Osinbajo or Fashola becoming president because Ajimobi said something or Igboho is feeling funky so you can have Atiku and Obi representing your interest at highest echelon of Nigeria, very sophisticated politics.