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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 5:48am On Oct 12, 2021 |
airmark: Airmark rest in Jesus name ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 5:59am On Oct 12, 2021 |
izzou:This here is the issue. It wasn't said so like this from the onset till after messi won the trophy. I know cos I've been in this forum for a very long time and I've been visiting all club's threads mostly and not one ever mentioned copa was a useless tourney compared to others all those years. Suddenly we started seeing history of copa, how copa was held every week, how they invited other nations (as if we didn't know), how nations like Brazil are sending secondary sch boys to represent. All these things happened a day after messi won the trophy. While I will agree all those things said are true, but it still doesn't validate how it's useless as long as FIFA recognizes it as a main continental tournament. How they(Conmebol) decides to do their seeding, arrangements and tournament ought not to be anybody's issue if I'm being honest here 14 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 6:01am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: I don’t copa America is useless , what I think is it’s less competitive compared to Euros . I’m a Messi Stan and I know Messi didn’t create himself neither did he make sure he was born in Argentina where’s mandated to play against some ragtag South American teams plus japan and Qatar; however I can’t compare the competitiveness of that tournament with euros. At the euros we saw teams like Belgium, Spain with top players getting dumped out on the way to the finals ..... same can’t be said of Copa America . If j are fortunate not to face both Brazil and Argentina then u are surely on ur way to the finals . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 6:08am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Timo Werner’s last six appearances for Chelsea & Germany 4 goals 1 assist 1 hit woodwork 6 chances created 14 shots on target 9 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:10am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: How you guys always squeeze Messi into everything should be studied as a 4 unit course in Nigerian universities. The argument was what makes COPA America a 2nd grade tournament, and suddenly we are seeing Messi everywhere. You guys no fit surprise me again, walahi ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 6:12am On Oct 12, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:I don't think anybody would have faulted the bolded if that was the initial premise. Everyone knows that after world cup, the next main big event is the euros when it comes to Intl footy cos of the competitive nature of it. This argument wouldn't have even started if it was compared outrightly to Europe but the argument was how useless it was as an international competition. My point is whether teams like Brazil takes it serious or not shouldn't be anyone's concern, whether copa is held every week also shouldn't be anyone's concern as long it's a tourney recognized by FIFA like other intercontinental competitions, it should be given its due respect. 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 6:17am On Oct 12, 2021 |
izzou:Lol... I mean you won't blame barca fans, messi fans or neutral fans who squeeze in messi into the discourse would you? I mean, messi started ball since 2005 and copa started since the nineties. Throughout 2005(lemme start from there) to 2020, copa wasn't talked about how it was useless even though they showed all those characteristics but immediately Argentina won it in 2021(which coincided with messi winning) we started seeing write-ups on how it's useless a day after. Please as a human being, wetin you want make we think?? ![]() 9 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 6:21am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: Don’t mind them They criticize Messi for not winning such tournament ,we Dey tell them say Messi don win Olympics dem no still count am as international trophy ,suddenly Messi won the copa America and it became useless immediately and olympics became more important People no get shame sha ![]() 10 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:22am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: Has anybody called out Messi for winning the COPA America? No We all understand that it's not his fault he has to play there. Messi na GOAT na. But you see that tourney? It's useless. A tournament that an invited Mexico is fielding it's under 23 team A tournament that Japan pulled out close to the commencement. Omo, make Una no turn here to joke abeg ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 6:30am On Oct 12, 2021 |
andrewbaba44:it's the "Brazil and Argentina takes Olympic more serious than copa" for me. So all these while we no know say Olympic dey more prestigious than copa naim we dey hope make messi win one copa. Chaii ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 6:32am On Oct 12, 2021 |
izzou:The bolded is yes! In man u thread. Why do you think someone like Patrick.muf and andrew.baba carry the matter for head and afro.doc dey slightly shade Patrick.muf? ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 6:40am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: Not just Man U Thread ,they do it indirectly here even Madrid fans at Barca Thread 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 6:42am On Oct 12, 2021 |
andrewbaba44:Yeah it spread here and also at barca thread (from Madrid fans) but one thing is certain, it started initially in man u thread. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 6:43am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: I think what u misconstrue to be an attempt to mean Copa America is useless is this ; Euros is quite more competitive compared to Copa America . That’s an undeniable fact. A competition where everybody qualifies automatically just dey somehow . Even AFCON we dey play qualifies and some big teams dey drop enroute the main tournament . I think it’s the little or no competitiveness in Copa America that makes it receive whatever stick it’s getting now. The fact that they host the competition whenever they feel like sef doesn’t help matters . 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 6:46am On Oct 12, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: Europe might be more competitive doesn’t change the fact that the both competition are rated at the same level No be anybody fault say South America no get many countries 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 7:23am On Oct 12, 2021 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 7:30am On Oct 12, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:Aside Euros, I don't see any tournament bigger or more competitive than copa sha(I stand to be corrected) I agree that not having qualifiers and even bringing other continental teams to participate is a big worrying concern to get the sticks they're receiving but they're still bigger and more competitive than afcon, concacaf, and other co-continental tournaments. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 7:33am On Oct 12, 2021 |
andrewbaba44:This has been my point. In FIFA's eyes and other footballing bodies eyes euros, afcon copa and all are all the same continental tournament. No one is bigger than others in their eyes, so I dunno which is is 3rd grade or fifth grade tournament again as if na u17 or u20 WC we dey talk ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 7:33am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: If this is ur position , then u should have no problem agreeing that World Cup is a tier 1 completion ,euros tier 2 and Copa America tier 3..... of course this is based on competitiveness of the respective cups |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 7:37am On Oct 12, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:I believe in intl level World cup - tier 1 Intercontinental cup (Afcon, Euros, copa etc) - Tier 2 Confederation cup (probably) - Tier 3 And so on and so forth. That euros is more competitive than the other doesn't make its tier higher than the others 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 7:43am On Oct 12, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: Europe cannot be a their 2 and copa America tier 3 ,everybody will be representing their own continent ,and it’s not anybody fault they find themselves in South America or Asia As far as FIFA is concerned copa America ,euros ,afcon and Asia cup are at the same level 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 7:52am On Oct 12, 2021 |
afrodoc2: ![]() And now Raumdeuter is dealing severe blows to that narrative. They fit even start another Copa before Saturday. If Brazil and Chile say it’s too short notice they’ll invite Ikorodu boys instead. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 7:53am On Oct 12, 2021 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by OVA200(m): 7:53am On Oct 12, 2021 |
andrewbaba44:If you stand on this ground it makes more sense and it's easier for you to defend because you are right and this is the genesis of the argument not until you squeeze Messi into it. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by OVA200(m): 7:57am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera:You are wrong the argument started with raumdeuter ranking both tournament in different tier not saying it's useless. He ranked Euro in tier 2 and Copa in tier 3. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 8:02am On Oct 12, 2021 |
raumdeuter: They didn't need to invite Angola to join the Bundesliga, they already have them in teams like Bochum, Schalke, collecting 7-0, 8-0. Mention the number of times 2 Burnthisleaguedown teams met in the UCL final in the last 20yrs or last time a team not named Bayern won it? That Argentina didn't win Copa America with Messi for a long time speaks volume and stabbed the 'useless' tag. Raumdeuter, when Copa America wasn't useless: raumdeuter: raumdeuter: Now the shocker: raumdeuter: Raumdeuter will only mislead mumus into the gutter and disappear. Share his opinion and get your fingers burnt. Church closed. ![]() ![]() ![]() 25 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 8:03am On Oct 12, 2021 |
OVA200:Lol... This argument didn't start ystdy. All these excuses and writeup that's being brandished about ystdy didn't initially started ystdy. It started when Argentina won the copa and barca (plus messi fans) started saying messi have confirmed his status quo as Goat, then the counter rebuttal was that copa is useless and all those writeups and reasons emerged. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 8:04am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Leyqute: Hehehe. If you ask anybody to tell you the interval between COPA tournaments they will start stammering. Competition that the interval between tournaments is like football formation. 4-2-1-3 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 8:04am On Oct 12, 2021 |
airmark:The way God suppose dey bless you eh ![]() ![]() ![]() 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 8:06am On Oct 12, 2021 |
afrodoc2:Abeg na doc, wetin be this na?? ![]() No tear my Belle with laff biko ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 8:08am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Jodera: Nobody is dragging Ogbe Hard Court today, but if you want to say that because your favourite player won Ogbe Hard Court he is better than Federer and Djokovic we will drag you, your favourite player and Ogbe Hard Court. That is the case of COPA. It was left on its own until people tried to use it as evidence of GOATSHIP. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 8:09am On Oct 12, 2021 |
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