404Dev:

Comprehension is keen my dear.

Never made reference to anyone's level of intelligence.

And there's no accused person here as we are way past the point.

The matter has been tried and decided in a law of court so I don't understand who is accused and who is the accuser.

i really do not want to derail this thread, i will meet you on a dead thread, but before then, develop your self.... Lastly i am not your dear....I am BK.

vuh:
While i await your reply, i also noticed that from one of the evidences you dropped here, the victim narrated that the male who raped her also kissed her. This shows that there was facial contact between the victim and the rapist.

So what was the DNA result from the face swab?

I'm not a legal person by the way. Given the gravity of the offence and the length of the sentence. I think its best you come clean and say what really happened. Present not just some parts of the document but sufficient information that will convince a layman of the innocence you claim.
Finally, where is your family in all of this? I ask because i know how we hold our own dearly in this part of the world. Even when all fails, your immediate family in most cases will be there. I may be wrong but I feel they should be at the forefront of getting justice for you since you insist on being innocent.
I await your response.

Thanks for posting this, my guy. At the end of that paper u posted it says the man had unbuckled his belt and was pulling his shorts down . We know that he was pulling his shorts down becuz OP was ready to change into the jeans that he was wearing when he got arrested

1stGenAmerican:


First things first: a 13 year old girl is not a lady.

Next, the prosecution never withheld that particular video. You and your attorney filed a motion that the video you speak of not be admissible in court because, according to you, it was blurry and positive identification could not be made. That motion was granted by the court. But now you are upset that your wish was granted?

ANY law professional present will tell you that you cannot file a motion to suppress evidence and win, meaning your motion is granted and the footage in question not be used in court or shown to the jury. Then, when things don’t go your way and you are found guilty, you demand that the footage you filed a motion to be excluded be included.

CC justwise

Oga where are your evidences am still waiting. Besides I strongly believe u are a man and among the conspirators hence your vileness.

Prove me wrong by bringing out your evidences especially for the bolded.

iamL:



Oga where are your evidences am still waiting. Besides I strongly believe u are a man and among the conspirators hence your vileness.

Prove me wrong by bringing out your evidences especially for the bolded.

Why should she bring out her evidence, is here a court of law or is she the accused

Hammer2021:
Why should she bring out her evidence, is here a court of law or is she the accused

Ok. Himaelf and the others should send their hard evidences to chatnet so that everything can be worked with not personal judgment and vindictiveness.

Hammer2021:
Why should she bring out her evidence, is here a court of law or is she the accused

Oga your account is new o.

If she can get the transcripts that was nailed him obviously he can also get other evidences.

vuh:
While i await your reply, i also noticed that from one of the evidences you dropped here, the victim narrated that the male who raped her also kissed her. This shows that there was facial contact between the victim and the rapist.

So what was the DNA result from the face swab?

I'm not a legal person by the way. Given the gravity of the offence and the length of the sentence. I think its best you come clean and say what really happened. Present not just some parts of the document but sufficient information that will convince a layman of the innocence you claim.
Finally, where is your family in all of this? I ask because i know how we hold our own dearly in this part of the world. Even when all fails, your immediate family in most cases will be there. I may be wrong but I feel they should be at the forefront of getting justice for you since you insist on being innocent.
I await your response.

Finally! I’ve been waiting on pins and needles for someone to come along and examine the documents and realize that key information was being purposely omitted. And I think we know why an important factor such as the DNA from the mouth swab was basically cropped from the photo.
The questions posed above are basic questions that should’ve been posed pages and pages ago by those actively claiming that Bah is innocent. This lets us know that the majority proclaiming that he is innocent did not examine any of the documents provided. How can people proclaim his innocence without even asking him why he refuses to post the entire document OR critically thinking about the information that is actually visible?


It is good that the number of us recognizing Bah’s lack of integrity and habit of withholding information is increasing.

An important question to ponder: the most sensitive information, the victim’s identity, was released via the photo Bah provided so WHY would he post only a few inches rather than the full pages? What pieces of information could be so important to this case that Bah decided to conceal them?


Cc 404dev
Cc ola17
Cc Mmotimo
Cc wirinet
Cc Hammer2021
Cc Dollynnn

iamL:


Ok. Himaelf and the others should send their hard evidences to chatnet so that everything can be worked with not personal judgment and vindictiveness.

I dont understand you, should be sent to chatinent and everything can be worked upon, I still ask you is chatinent a jury??

iamL:


Oga your account is new o.

If she can get the transcripts that was nailed him obviously he can also get other evidences.

You can keep digging my profile till you find crude oil

Hammer2021:
I dont understand you, should be sent to chatinent and everything can be worked upon, I still ask you is chatinent a jury??

Good question. The burden of proof is not on any of us who critically considered everything presented to this point and believe that he is indeed guilty.

Now, if you go back a few pages, Mr. Bah SAID that he has the entire 1200 page transcript that me and others have access to. Why on Earth would we need to send anything to chatinent when Bah said he has the same documents? And out of 1200 pages, why would he choose to post only portions of 3 or 4 pages? Why wouldn’t he provide those to chatinent and have him extract a few pages proving his innocence and post them here?

Hammer2021:
You can keep digging my profile till you find crude oil

Lol

1stGenAmerican:


Good question. The burden of proof is not on any of us who critically considered everything presented to this point and believe that he is indeed guilty.

Now, if you go back a few pages, Mr. Bah SAID that he has the entire 1200 page transcript that me and others have access to. Why on Earth would we need to send anything to chatinent when Bah said he has the same documents? And out of 1200 pages, why would he choose to post only portions of 3 or 4 pages?

Why wouldn’t he provide those to chatinent and have him extract a few pages proving his innocence and post them here?

Simple, because such pages doesn’t exist.
Make me wonder what the true purpose of him coming to NL is. If a layman like me can see through this, he’s just going to waste the court’s time with his appeal.

Two Facts:
1. Every person serving a prison sentence in the US are able to obtain the transcripts from the case which led to the conviction and sentence.
2. In this forum, Bah told everyone that he has filed a large number of motions himself.

It is pretty much impossible to file motions without transcripts from the trial. Bah has said that he has access to the same transcript that I have. With that being said, why would anyone need me or anybody else to post evidence from the transcript when it is Bah who is trying to convince others of his innocence and get help with proving his innocence? He should’ve provided the entire transcript for it to be shared days ago.

Ola17:


Simple, because such pages doesn’t exist.
Make me wonder what the true purpose of him coming to NL is. If a layman like me can see through this, he’s just going to waste the court’s time with his appeal.

Can you think of any sensible and honest reason why he only posted part of the page pertaining to the DNA which is the page where you derived the conclusion about some of the match? Because I can’t.

Like you, I’m also wondering about his purpose for bringing this to Nairaland.

I really hope none of the people that believe he is innocent have daughters.

1stGenAmerican:


Finally! I’ve been waiting on pins and needles for someone to come along and examine the documents and realize that key information was being purposely omitted. And I think we know why an important factor such as the DNA from the mouth swab was basically cropped from the photo.
The questions posed above are basic questions that should’ve been posed pages and pages ago by those actively claiming that Bah is innocent. This lets us know that the majority proclaiming that he is innocent did not examine any of the documents provided. How can people proclaim his innocence without even asking him why he refuses to post the entire document OR critically thinking about the information that is actually visible?


It is good that the number of us recognizing Bah’s lack of integrity and habit of withholding information is increasing.

An important question to ponder: the most sensitive information, the victim’s identity, was released via the photo Bah provided so WHY would he post only a few inches rather than the full pages? What pieces of information could be so important to this case that Bah decided to conceal them?


Cc 404dev
Cc ola17
Cc Mmotimo
Cc wirinet
Cc Hammer2021
Cc Dollynnn

Please can you send me the transcripts to my email address egusi2020@gmail.com if possible?

1stGenAmerican:


Can you think of any sensible and honest reason why he only posted part of the page pertaining to the DNA which is the page where you derived the conclusion about some of the match? Because I can’t.

Like you, I’m also wondering about his purpose for bringing this to Nairaland.

I really hope none of the people that believe he is innocent have daughters.

That's what I have been saying and why I have been on the fence since.

You can't just have me believe his innocence with only the documents he posted.

No one (even me) would post anything that would work against him or incriminate him even in the slightest.

That's why I have been asking for the full documents.

1stGenAmerican:


Can you think of any sensible and honest reason why he only posted part of the page pertaining to the DNA which is the page where you derived the conclusion about some of the match? Because I can’t.

Like you, I’m also wondering about his purpose for bringing this to Nairaland.

I really hope none of the people that believe he is innocent have daughters.

I’m afraid one can’t give what one doesn’t have; he’s neither reasonable nor honest. His intent reeks of crass subterfuge.

1stGenAmerican:
Two Facts:
1. Every person serving a prison sentence in the US are able to obtain the transcripts from the case which led to the conviction and sentence.
2. In this forum, Bah told everyone that he has filed a large number of motions himself.

It is pretty much impossible to file motions without transcripts from the trial. Bah has said that he has access to the same transcript that I have. With that being said, why would anyone need me or anybody else to post evidence from the transcript when it is Bah who is trying to convince others of his innocence and get help with proving his innocence? He should’ve provided the entire transcript for it to be shared days ago.

LOL don’t you just love the way you’ve been repeatedly ordered to provide evidence, work the case, etc as if you owe him something.

As was embarrassingly evident tens of pages ago, logical reasoning and reading/comprehension skills are not the forte of many of the posters here. They just “know” he’s innocent and a victim of racial bias because the US justice system only condemns black people.

Their “client “ has done and continues to do all the no-nos, part of which led to the maximum sentence. Heck, somebody on Nairaland probably told him worst case scenario would be his deportation to Nigeria and not to worry, go ahead and school judge, jury and prosecution that they are no match for his superior, inexperienced, unlicensed, imperfect litigation skills. The same people that have refused to do even the most basic of legwork to help him. Transcripts are a matter of public records and can be obtained with or without a fee so I don’t know why it’s been a week yet none of them has produced the transcripts or asked him to post everything when he has them. As far as I know, they are public record and I would order them myself but frankly, I have no interest in using my time that way. Especially as the rapist-apologist-in-chief, Temblor1 has captured my interest.

If I read correctly, the convict is planning to appeal. PSA to supporters: All it would take is pissing someone off enough to call his correctional facility (not that hard to find contact details) and forward his posts to show this online activity. Unless correctional facilities now allow inmates to do this kind of thing (I strongly doubt that) his activity here could further complicate his already wobbly appeal. He’s obviously not thinking about that because he’s desperate, reason why he would come to Nairaland to “prove “ his innocence to people who can do nothing for him other than make wild statements on the internet.

His uncommon sentence is as a result of his uncommon conduct in the presence of the courts. It’s not everyday a judge rewards you with the maximum sentence, especially in non murder proceedings. His sentence is a testimony (pun intended) to his actions and utterances. If you want to help him, start with demanding the convict provide ALL pages of the transcript. He was not tried by a secret court and this is not Naija where there are no transcripts or they go missing.

I've been following this story for some time and i am very thankful for all of the posters that took their time to comment and inject some objectivity in this space. You made it worthwhile.

I don't know why some of us here are given to high emotions. Calm down, read and most importantly , ask questions if you don't understand. I blame our terrible education system in this country. It's not rocket science why the county is underdeveloped. Critical minds are very few.

About Mr Bah, I don't know if anyone has asked this question before but why did you plead guilty in the first place if you were innocent? And secondly, why did you ask to be sent back to Nigeria to serve your sentence? Was it because you believed you could buy/bribe your way out of prison? Why did you ask the court to not admit the DNA results in court only to lie to us here that "they refused" when it was you who asked them not to use it in the first place?

I think you are a sketchy character and you might have gotten away with terrible things in the past using your "smartness". Unfortunately, you met your better and now you are in prison.

And to the tremblor monicker, you disgust me.

1stGenAmerican:


Can you think of any sensible and honest reason why he only posted part of the page pertaining to the DNA which is the page where you derived the conclusion about some of the match? Because I can’t.

Like you, I’m also wondering about his purpose for bringing this to Nairaland.

I really hope none of the people that believe he is innocent have daughters.

Just to add that I would not recommend that you circulate the transcripts. He has them, let him make them public himself

Hammer2021:
Why should she bring out her evidence, is here a court of law or is she the accused

I tire!

.

Like someone asked, Where is Mr Bah's family??
What efforts did they make concerning his case?

temblor1:

I ain't under no oath, neither am I in court nor your jurisdiction.
A faceless forum with you as a mod or an umpire?.
Maybe you don't even know why seun decided to make this an anonymous forum, with rules.
Did you dial me off?
What in heaven were you thinking, asking an anonymous user to dig into my identity? Full Name
It seems the heat is just closing in.
Good luck.
Seun
Lalasticlala

It is not totally anonymous my friend. Mind what you post on the internet.
If you were accused of a crime, your online footprints would be in display and the jury will never take your posts as sarcasm.

Skyview01:


It is not totally anonymous my friend. Mind what you post on the internet.
If you were accused of a crime, your online footprints would be in display and the jury will never take your posts as sarcasm.

Na when his two hands go become one, e go clear for him eye

MMotimo:


Just to add that I would not recommend that you circulate the transcripts. He has them, let him make them public himself

I appreciate and agree with your opinion. I said some pages ago that I didn’t feel comfortable sharing such sensitive information.

I have no doubt that Bah has both electronic access as well as a physical copy which is how he was able to extract select pages.

MMotimo:


LOL don’t you just love the way you’ve been repeatedly ordered to provide evidence, work the case, etc as if you owe him something.

As was embarrassingly evident tens of pages ago, logical reasoning and reading/comprehension skills are not the forte of many of the posters here. They just “know” he’s innocent and a victim of racial bias because the US justice system only condemns black people.

Their “client “ has done and continues to do all the no-nos, part of which led to the maximum sentence. Heck, somebody on Nairaland probably told him worst case scenario would be his deportation to Nigeria and not to worry, go ahead and school judge, jury and prosecution that they are no match for his superior, inexperienced, unlicensed, imperfect litigation skills. The same people that have refused to do even the most basic of legwork to help him. Transcripts are a matter of public records and can be obtained with or without a fee so I don’t know why it’s been a week yet none of them has produced the transcripts or asked him to post everything when he has them. As far as I know, they are public record and I would order them myself but frankly, I have no interest in using my time that way. Especially as the rapist-apologist-in-chief, Temblor1 has captured my interest.

If I read correctly, the convict is planning to appeal. PSA to supporters: All it would take is pissing someone off enough to call his correctional facility (not that hard to find contact details) and forward his posts to show this online activity. Unless correctional facilities now allow inmates to do this kind of thing (I strongly doubt that) his activity here could further complicate his already wobbly appeal. He’s obviously not thinking about that because he’s desperate, reason why he would come to Nairaland to “prove “ his innocence to people who can do nothing for him other than make wild statements on the internet.

His uncommon sentence is as a result of his uncommon conduct in the presence of the courts. It’s not everyday a judge rewards you with the maximum sentence, especially in non murder proceedings. His sentence is a testimony (pun intended) to his actions and utterances. If you want to help him, start with demanding the convict provide ALL pages of the transcript. He was not tried by a secret court and this is not Naija where there are no transcripts or they go missing.

You said it all.

Most Nigerians do not read or have very low comprehension abilities.

From one of the documents he posted, it stated that the victim was kissed by the attacker which implies the girl got a good look at her attacker.

That was why I asked if the girl positively identified Mr. bah as the attacker at any time which only 1stGenAmerican affirmed she did before police officials and a guardian.

Which neither Mr. bah nor chatinet or anyone else has come out confirm or refute.

Mr. bah's earlier "proof of innocence" was that she wasn't allowed to identify him in court which was very misleading as the girl wasn't involved in the case. Her identity was completely hidden not given her name was mentioned in the documents I have accessed online.

Plus other questions I asked which anyone should have asked even before drawing any conclusions have been left unanswered.

kneehighbootz:
I've been following this story for some time and i am very thankful for all of the posters that took their time to comment and inject some objectivity in this space. You made it worthwhile.

I don't know why some of us here are given to high emotions. Calm down, read and most importantly , ask questions if you don't understand. I blame our terrible education system in this country. It's not rocket science why the county is underdeveloped. Critical minds are very few.

About Mr Bah, I don't know if anyone has asked this question before but why did you plead guilty in the first place if you were innocent? And secondly, why did you ask to be sent back to Nigeria to serve your sentence? Was it because you believed you could buy/bribe your way out of prison? Why did you ask the court to not admit the DNA results in court only to lie to us here that "they refused" when it was you who asked them not to use it in the first place?

I think you are a sketchy character and you might have gotten away with terrible things in the past using your "smartness". Unfortunately, you met your better and now you are in prison.

And to the tremblor monicker, you disgust me.

He didn't plead guilty, the jurors returned a guilty verdict. Asking to be returned to Nigeria or for mercy seems like an admission of guilt.
He can still appeal the outrageous sentencing though he may have to admit guilt to be successful.

Even the other evidence, the statement of the police officer who watched the footage of the guy in shorts, only a portion of the full statements was posted.

The question shouldn't be on whether the guy was wearing shorts or not but his identity.

The document posted here only said the officer saw a guy wearing shorts and then Mr bah posted another image of him wearing pants and asked if he could be at 2 places at the same time.

Whereas the main question should be was the officer able to identify the man in shorts.

COs from the facts of the case, the attacker had access to the building and could have easily changed before or after the attack.

Most people even shorts underneath their trousers.

So the question remains was the officer able to identify the man in shorts in the footage?

And if couldn't (maybe a face was not captured)

Did the man bear the same physical attributes as Mr. bah? (the same height, weight, hair style, skin tone etc).

These are the critical and logical questions that should be discussed here to prove anything cos they will be definitely be discussed in court when the appeal comes up.

MMotimo:


LOL don’t you just love the way you’ve been repeatedly ordered to provide evidence, work the case, etc as if you owe him something.

As was embarrassingly evident tens of pages ago, logical reasoning and reading/comprehension skills are not the forte of many of the posters here. They just “know” he’s innocent and a victim of racial bias because the US justice system only condemns black people.

Their “client “ has done and continues to do all the no-nos, part of which led to the maximum sentence. Heck, somebody on Nairaland probably told him worst case scenario would be his deportation to Nigeria and not to worry, go ahead and school judge, jury and prosecution that they are no match for his superior, inexperienced, unlicensed, imperfect litigation skills. The same people that have refused to do even the most basic of legwork to help him. Transcripts are a matter of public records and can be obtained with or without a fee so I don’t know why it’s been a week yet none of them has produced the transcripts or asked him to post everything when he has them. As far as I know, they are public record and I would order them myself but frankly, I have no interest in using my time that way. Especially as the rapist-apologist-in-chief, Temblor1 has captured my interest.

If I read correctly, the convict is planning to appeal. PSA to supporters: All it would take is pissing someone off enough to call his correctional facility (not that hard to find contact details) and forward his posts to show this online activity. Unless correctional facilities now allow inmates to do this kind of thing (I strongly doubt that) his activity here could further complicate his already wobbly appeal. He’s obviously not thinking about that because he’s desperate, reason why he would come to Nairaland to “prove “ his innocence to people who can do nothing for him other than make wild statements on the internet.

His uncommon sentence is as a result of his uncommon conduct in the presence of the courts. It’s not everyday a judge rewards you with the maximum sentence, especially in non murder proceedings. His sentence is a testimony (pun intended) to his actions and utterances. If you want to help him, start with demanding the convict provide ALL pages of the transcript. He was not tried by a secret court and this is not Naija where there are no transcripts or they go missing.

I have re-read your candid and thorough posts several times and you hit every important corner.

A part of the missed irony here is that so many are believing that a man who is communicating with them via an illegal cellphone is not a criminal.

Your last paragraph is nothing short of profound.

Skyview01:

He didn't plead guilty, the jurors returned a guilty verdict. Asking to be returned to Nigeria or for mercy seems like an admission of guilt.
He can still appeal the outrageous sentencing though he may have to admit guilt to be successful.

I’m not sure if it was in this thread or his original thread but I did say that he has filed several appeals and fail to win any.
Note that Bah had several days to refute that information but didn’t.

So not only did he fail to convince a jury during his trial, he failed to win an earlier appeal with the information he has in his possession.

kneehighbootz:


Was it because you believed you could buy/bribe your way out of prison?

I think you are a sketchy character and you might have gotten away with terrible things in the past using your "smartness". Unfortunately, you met your better and now you are in prison.

And to the tremblor monicker, you disgust me.

Yet another bright mind is using logic. I do believe his arrogance comes from him getting away with many terrible things in the past.

Quoting and using bold for posterity.