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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Panther7(m): 10:34am On Oct 18, 2021 |
afrodoc2:Xavi scans a lot, he was at the heart of Barca's possession. Amaka, Fred and ghostimonay should watch him and learn from him. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:38am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: The culture is different in England. Passionate players are preferred to technical players. Xavi spoke about this in 2011 when he said Scholes was the greatest midfielder he had seen play in 20 years. Meanwhile, in England Scholes didn’t get the love players like Gerrard or Gareth Barry had. English fans want to see enthusiasm, chasing the ball like a headless chicken. If Xavi was English, he would never have made it out of any academy. Scouts would have considered him too weak to be a midfielder. Xavi was a possession god and when you peep some of his stats, it’s like we didn’t appreciate him enough and we gave too much credits to Messi/Ronaldo. Xavi should have won about 6 ballon d’Ors based on his talent alone. How is this possible? 100% accuracy 2 Likes
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:43am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable: You made good points. But in my sincere accessement, we played the best football under Ole since Ferguson. I am not for or against anyone, but Moyes, LVG, Mourinho played very uninteresting football. The closest we got to what we used yo have came under Ole. Moyes (the one I tagged PE teacher at the time) brought this zone thing that disintegrated our players. He marked zones for each player and wanted each one to man his zone and be runners. The fluidity and compact play ended. The players were getting old, so they could not cope. LvG played the most boring football in history of club. Emphasis on completing passes rather than hurting the opponents. Every mistake in the PHILOSOPHY was noted in a diary during matches. So United had zillion of back passes, slow play and safe football. But he did play some scintillating football against the big teams with his 4-1-4-1 formation where Fellaini took long balls from defence and DDG on his chest, and Mata worked with Herrera on the right side. Fellaini was with Young on the right, and sometimes Di Maria in the mix. Rooney at the top. When it appeared sometimes that LVG has got a working formula, he soon tweak the formation and players position and we got hit. We conceded lots of late goals to lose to small teams. Mourinho's case was that even when lined up against Kano Pillars, he would park the bus from first minute until we concede, then the players begin yo venture beyond the half line. If he went ahead, he brings in Fellaini in the 80th mimute as a 5th defender to secure the one goal lead. He was able to win Europa because he still had some old and experienced players. Bar his days at Porto, Moutinho flops with young players. He needs very experienced players to help with the discipline and tenacity to combat pressure when parking the bus to see out a slim win. He had Valencia, Young, Herrera, Smalling, Fellaini, Rooney who provided that for him. Under Ole, we were less careful about being hurt and for once trying to be the predator. Lots of adventure play and coming from behind to win. If Ole has got what is required to play this way this season, is another question. But at this time last season, we were 13 points from 8 matches. We were also struggling. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:46am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable: More like Mourinho would have killed Xavi career if he was his coach. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 10:48am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: Too late for that. That kind of style can only be taught at academy level. Then you improve on it as a pro as you become more experienced. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:50am On Oct 18, 2021 |
elampiro: This is why we don’t win. A manager has to adapt to the strength of his team. Mourinho had Valencia/Young(33 year old ex-wingers) as full backs and Jones/Smalling center pairing. What kind of football would a sensible manager play with that low level of talent? Play like predators and lose in every game? When Mourinho had the crème de la crème players in Madrid, did he park the bus? Did Mourinho’s Madrid not outscore Pep’s Barca consecutively in La Liga when they were both there? Forget that one, what about his first Chelsea team in 2004/5, they notched 95 points. They were the most feared team in the history of the PL. They tore Wenger’s invincibles apart, beat SAF home and away, won 29 league games that year. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:50am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable: Where is the £80m Manchester United midfielder on the list? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:53am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: KDB is not physical? Really? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Panther7(m): 10:54am On Oct 18, 2021 |
afrodoc2:Wow! What are those things Mcfred can work on and improve on with their current age. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:54am On Oct 18, 2021 |
elampiro: So who took Modric(similar height to Xavi) to Real Madrid? Was it Moyes or Pep? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Panther7(m): 10:55am On Oct 18, 2021 |
elampiro:When you mention KDB what's the first thing that comes to your mind? When you mention Mcfred what comes to your mind first? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:55am On Oct 18, 2021 |
elampiro:. They didn’t scan everyone, it was just a selected group. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 10:56am On Oct 18, 2021 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Panther7(m): 10:57am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable:Rodri has similar stats too, I think 176 passes in a single match. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 10:57am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: The fact una dey mention "McFred" dey vex me |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:00am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: 176 passes with 100% accuracy? Do you know what it means to make 96 passes and not lose one of them against PSG in a KO game? That’s sheer ingenuity. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:02am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: I don’t know. Fred is 29 next March and so not exactly a spring chicken. McTominay also turns 25 soon so not exactly a youngster. Probably positioning, passing, decision making. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Panther7(m): 11:04am On Oct 18, 2021 |
elrony:We have to emphasize on "Mcfred" bro, the myth on this thread is we can't win without them and they give the team balance. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:08am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: It’s too late for McFred. They have already developed their own habits and that isn’t going to ever change. You think this type of skill at a very young age when kids are taught to look both sides before crossing the road. Get rid of McFred altogether and sign a player like Essien(Bissouma, Ndidi, etc). United also need to replace their full backs. At this level, Shaw and AWB do not pose enough threats on the flanks. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:10am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: McFred is the best combo we have to avoid defeats. It’s factually true but it’s not enough to win you a trophy or title. There would be more draws than wins but we don’t lose many games with those two in the midfield. They are tireless workers. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:39am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable: He was no longer in his formation years. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:40am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: The first time I saw KDB play, he was a flying winger. Lots of speed, strength and maneuver. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:41am On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable: Pogba did not qualify because the 10 secs before he gets a pass he thinks only of his number 9 or a leg over |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:45am On Oct 18, 2021 |
elampiro: How does that matter? Your point was Mourinho doesn’t like midget players but he was the one that bought Modric from Spurs. Deco was another midget that prospered under Mourinho, same as Lassana Diara. Mourinho is about work ethic and leaving blood on the pitch. If you can give him that, you would be loved by him. This is why he didn’t like Luke Shaw(the lazy slob). |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:46am On Oct 18, 2021 |
elampiro: Yet, he won the World Cup? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 12:04pm On Oct 18, 2021 |
TrebleChamp: Nawa o, someone cannot make comments about Bruno on this thread without getting lashed. The assessment was right, and I also talked about other players. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:06pm On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7: But you have been playing without them. The team is in disarray. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:08pm On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable: I said Mourinho does not do well with young players, bar his days at Porto |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:16pm On Oct 18, 2021 |
If we are talking of a playmaker who connects the whole team together with string of passes, then we cannot be blaming Fred and McTominay when we know they don't play that way. A team can have its playmaker from the CAM where Bruno plays. This is what Silva did for Man City. Also was Zidane. Modric did for Spurs. A team acan have a plamaker from the DM, like Pirlo. A team can have two playmakers. Right now, the closest we have is Bruno, but he is not exactly that kind of player who connects the whole team together with short passes. He is techical and tricky in his own way but not a hub for the the whole team. But Pogba is ghe biggest culprit here. Paul Scholes once described him as a midfielder who goes to the field to do what any kind of midfield player does ordinarily. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 12:20pm On Oct 18, 2021 |
elampiro: Rubbish assertion when the evidence showed he backed Petr Cech over the fans’ favorite Cudicini in 2004. Fergie learnt from the experience which prompted him to choose David De Gea over the more experienced GKs to replace Van Der Sar. I am not convinced you follow football.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:23pm On Oct 18, 2021 |
Illimitable: 1/1000 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:26pm On Oct 18, 2021 |
Panther7:Ghostominay...Una sabi give people name for here...Na so I shout Ghostominay on Saturday come dey laugh alone... Eph12, you won't come and defend McTom? 3 Likes |
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