StaffofOrayan:
Warri queens dey also bear Olori? Abi Na her 1st name? Any Waafi in the building?

Itsekiris have some Yoruba heritage.

TarOrfeeek:



If I am a king and I mistakenly marry a Nigerian woman.

She will not stand beside me in picture. She will squat and I will cross my leg on her forehead.

Rubbish people.

And that's why you can never be a king in this life and after.

FutureIsFemale:
Happy 7th Anni to them.

God please bless me with a husband who knows you.

Shuuuu see feminist dey find husband oh

Gate050:

Please someone should tell me tbe relationships between these people and Yoruba. Olori should belong to only Yoruba how come

They are Yorubas

TarOrfeeek:



If I am a king and I mistakenly marry a Nigerian woman.

She will not stand beside me in picture. She will squat and I will cross my leg on her forehead.

Rubbish people.

wetin be this na

Happy marriage anniversary Ogiame Tsola, the Olu of Itsekiri (Iwerre) and his beautiful wife. May ur reign be fruitful and may God give you the wisdom to rule ur people and live in peace with ur neighbors.


PS; this man has faced a lot of challenges since his selection as Olu and coronation. Truly uneasy is the head that wears the crown.
Too sad I can’t call you by ur first name again, you’re now King lol.

adelaja70:

They are our cousins... If dem speak their language you go dey hear some. Awolowo changed his title from Olu of itsekiri to Olu of Warri... I remember when ijaws dey disturb them... OPC stormed there and confronted the Ijaws... So the bond strong wella

Ijaws disturb who? We knew how the war started and some even participated in it. Outsiders like you are the ones fanning the fire of war in our state. Leave Niger Delta matter alone.
OPC stormed where? How did the war end with OPC and mercenaries from Edo State/Ondo State? Stop typing rubbish. The war in Warri is still fresh in the memories of many, don’t go about opening old wounds.

StaffofOrayan:
Warri queens dey also bear Olori? Abi Na her 1st name? Any Waafi in the building?

Itsekiris are closely related to yoruba and illaje infact they are yoruboid in many ways...
Check our names Shola,Omawumi, bemigho, iye, Teyi, Misan, Lori, Araturun Meyiwa,

Gate050:

Please someone should tell me tbe relationships between these people and Yoruba. Olori should belong to only Yoruba how come

this is no time for any history, insults & jelousy. Me as an urhobo, this king is d son of d soil and very legitimate. He is a man of peace & love. We should all stand ovation for him at this particular time and give him ur prayers. Congratulation my king. More celebrations ahead!

DUNDEEMASTER:
Congrats to them...Ma love for Warri eehhh... I just pray am transfered back to Warri...You be hearing.....shhuuuuoooo...wetin dey worry naa...I go less you ooo

Where are you now?

westgirl:
this is no time for any history, insults & jelousy. Me as an urhobo, this king is d son of d soil and very legitimate. He is a man of peace & love. We should all stand ovation for him at this particular time and give him ur prayers. Congratulation my king. More celebrations ahead!

Just seeking knowledge bro I'm a Yoruba man. Trying to know the relationship exists between us

FutureIsFemale:
Happy 7th Anni to them.

God please bless me with a husband who knows you.

Your husband is on NL...

omooba969:


Your husband is on NL...

I reject it IJN

Savagery, �

TarOrfeeek:



If I am a king and I mistakenly marry a Nigerian woman.

She will not stand beside me in picture. She will squat and I will cross my leg on her forehead.

Rubbish people.

The Binis wanted a king, so they asked for one from Ife monarchy (Yorubaland). Thus, the 1st king in Benin was from Oduduwa's bloodline. Thereafter, the Binis adopted a lot of Yoruba culture.
Many years later, the Itsekiri (Warri) wanted monarchy too. They requested from the Benin monarchy a king. A king with Oduduwas bloodline was also sent to the Itsekiris. They also started to adopt a lot a Yoruba culture as the Binis did before them.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Itsekiri
https://www.britannica.com/place/Benin-historical-kingdom-West-Africa

Gate050:

Please someone should tell me tbe relationships between these people and Yoruba. Olori should belong to only Yoruba how come

TarOrfeeek:



If I am a king and I mistakenly marry a Nigerian woman.

She will not stand beside me in picture. She will squat and I will cross my leg on her forehead.

Rubbish people.

IF.

TarOrfeeek:



If I am a king and I mistakenly marry a Nigerian woman.

She will not stand beside me in picture. She will squat and I will cross my leg on her forehead.

Rubbish people.

That's why some will never be king because even god knows they'll be tyrants

emmadothings:

Itsekiris are closely related to yoruba and illaje infact they are yoruboid in many ways...
Check our names Shola,Omawumi, bemigho, iye, Teyi, Misan, Lori, Araturun Meyiwa,

I greet una o

TarOrfeeek:



If I am a king and I mistakenly marry a Nigerian woman.

She will not stand beside me in picture. She will squat and I will cross my leg on her forehead.

Rubbish people.

the reason you will never become king. In short, you are not a king material

StaffofOrayan:
Warri queens dey also bear Olori? Abi Na her 1st name? Any Waafi in the building?

Itsekiris are directly related to
Yorubas. Ilajes, Ifes and Ijebus are the 3 Yoruba groups that largely
make up Itsekiris. Indigenous
Yoruboid groups extend into
Delta State.

So the Itsekiri queens of all Olus have a right to use the royal
title of Olori like it's done in
Yorubaland.

Read more about the Ijebu Chief Lenuwa of Ode Itsekiri which was founded originally by Ijebus, and
Prince Ginuwa the son of the then
Oba of Benin in the 1480s who migrated on exile and settled
among the Ijebus of Ode Itsekiri.
Omadino also has Ijebu origins.
Ugborodo (formerly Escravos) was
founded by Ilajes of Ugboland in Ondo
State over 500 years ago.

Konquest:

Itsekiris are directly related to
Yorubas. Ilajes, Ifes and Ijebus are the 3 Yoruba groups that largely
make up Itsekiris. Indigenous
Yoruboid groups extend into
Delta State.

So the Itsekiri queens of all Olus have a right to use the royal
title of Olori like it's done in
Yorubaland.

Read more about the Ijebu Chief Lenuwa of Ode Itsekiri which was founded originally by Ijebus, and
Prince Ginuwa the son of the then
Oba of Benin in the 1480s who migrated on exile and settled
among the Ijebus of Ode Itsekiri.
Omadino also has Ijebu origins.
Ugborodo (formerly Escravos) was
founded by Ilajes of Ugboland in Ondo
State over 500 years ago.



Cc: Gate050, Tzar

Thanks so much for this. Now I know more today. Thanks once again bro

Gate050:

Thanks so much for this. Now I know more today. Thanks once again bro

Just for your own education: he told you absolute rubbish. There is actually no link between itsikeri and yoruba.
All he said is completely unfounded, no proof whatsoever, try and be smarter or else you will keep being abused by scammers.

Konquest:

Itsekiris are directly related to
Yorubas. Ilajes, Ifes and Ijebus are the 3 Yoruba groups that largely
make up Itsekiris. Indigenous
Yoruboid groups extend into
Delta State.

So the Itsekiri queens of all Olus have a right to use the royal
title of Olori like it's done in
Yorubaland.

Read more about the Ijebu Chief Lenuwa of Ode Itsekiri which was founded originally by Ijebus, and
Prince Ginuwa the son of the then
Oba of Benin in the 1480s who migrated on exile and settled
among the Ijebus of Ode Itsekiri.
Omadino also has Ijebu origins.
Ugborodo (formerly Escravos) was
founded by Ilajes of Ugboland in Ondo
State over 500 years ago.



Cc: Gate050, Tzar

When will you guys stop spreading fake history ? Is this your idea of "konquest" ? Just repeating a bunch of lies on several pages ?
African history is a laughing stock because of people like you and I only pity the gullible and uneducated fools who get duped by you.
None of what you said has any evidence. And this new line of claiming Itsikeri are jebu people ...yoruba need to stop telling lies, you guys don't fight on battle fields, instead you just lie all day and call that your victory.

1) the yorubas themselves are unrelated, some descend from dahomians, some descend from brazilian slaves, some descend from oyos and some descend from jebu ... all these groups are unrelated.
2) The only thing which is actually proven is that Itsikeri were part of Benin Kingdom/Empire which makes them Edo people, not "yoruba" nor "jebu".
3) Jebu itself was a vassal kingdom to Benin.

I wish one day yoruba would have some self esteem and stop telling lies.

Below is an actual precolonial map of west africa, not the trash which you keep posting as map.

You are right in some areas and wrong in many others. The colonial maps actually mean nothing. Those maps were created for a pre-determined purpose. Colonial African map was initially even claimed to be smaller that western Europe. This claims have been since debunked! Those maps are simply how dominators saw Africa and not how Africa was.
https://www.one.org/us/blog/map-africa-game/
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/gallery/2012/oct/02/africa-maps-history

Please read my bolded responses to your numbered claims:

1) the yorubas themselves are unrelated, some descend from dahomians, some descend from brazilian slaves, some descend from oyos and some descend from jebu ... all these groups are unrelated. Yoruba culture evolved from original occupants like trhe Ugbos and the settled migrants like the descendants of Oduduwa. After a while some other Yorubas who were initially taken as slaves but refused to lose their identity (UNLIKE MOST OTHER SLAVES) decided to return to their anscestral land after slavery ended
2) The only thing which is actually proven is that Itsikeri were part of Benin Kingdom/Empire which makes them Edo people, not "yoruba" nor "jebu". I agree with this claim to an extent. The original Itsekiris were not Yorubas OR Binis. The Itsekiris saw how great the Bini monarchy was and they requested a king from there (possibly to avoid war or invasion). Only the Itsekiri royal blood and immigrants that followed are linked to Benin. Please read https://www.britannica.com/topic/Itsekiri
Also, the returned slaves to Lagos were original Yorubas who refused lose their identities and instead influenced their captors culturally. Remnants of these slave descendants still remain in Brazil, Cuba and USA (especially New Orleans).
3) Jebu itself was a vassal kingdom to Benin. This is wrong. This is how the Binis became historically linked to the Yorubas: https://www.britannica.com/place/Benin-historical-kingdom-West-Africa. Binis formally requested to be rulled by Yorubas. That is why until recently the corpse of Oba of Benin MUST be buried in Ife.

Therefore, the link the Itsekiris have to Yorubas is an indirect one. They adopted a lot of Yoruba words and culture via their deep contact with the Binis. The Binis on the other hand have a more direct link to the Yorubas.

Truthvalue41:


When will you guys stop spreading fake history ? Is this your idea of "konquest" ? Just repeating a bunch of lies on several pages ?
African history is a laughing stock because of people like you and I only pity the gullible and uneducated fools who get duped by you.
None of what you said has any evidence. And this new line of claiming Itsikeri are jebu people ...yoruba need to stop telling lies, you guys don't fight on battle fields, instead you just lie all day and call that your victory.

1) the yorubas themselves are unrelated, some descend from dahomians, some descend from brazilian slaves, some descend from oyos and some descend from jebu ... all these groups are unrelated.
2) The only thing which is actually proven is that Itsikeri were part of Benin Kingdom/Empire which makes them Edo people, not "yoruba" nor "jebu".
3) Jebu itself was a vassal kingdom to Benin.

I wish one day yoruba would have any self esteem to stop telling lies.

Below is an actual precolonial map of west africa, not the trash which you keep posting as map.

Tzar:
You are right in some areas and wrong in many others. The colonial maps actually mean nothing. Those maps were created for a pre-determined purpose. Colonial African map was initially even claimed to be smaller that western Europe. This claims have been since debunked! Those maps are simply how dominators saw Africa and not how Africa was.
https://www.one.org/us/blog/map-africa-game/
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/gallery/2012/oct/02/africa-maps-history

Please read my bolded responses to your numbered claims:

1) the yorubas themselves are unrelated, some descend from dahomians, some descend from brazilian slaves, some descend from oyos and some descend from jebu ... all these groups are unrelated. Yoruba culture evolved from original occupants like trhe Ugbos and the settled migrants like the descendants of Oduduwa. After a while some other Yorubas who were initially taken as slaves but refused to lose their identity (UNLIKE MOST OTHER SLAVES) decided to return to their anscestral land after slavery ended
2) The only thing which is actually proven is that Itsikeri were part of Benin Kingdom/Empire which makes them Edo people, not "yoruba" nor "jebu". I agree with this claim to an extent. The original Itsekiris were not Yorubas OR Binis. The Itsekiris saw how great the Bini monarchy was and they requested a king from there (possibly to avoid war or invasion). Only the Itsekiri royal blood and immigrants that followed are linked to Benin. Please read https://www.britannica.com/topic/Itsekiri
Also, the returned slaves to Lagos were original Yorubas who refused lose their identities and instead influenced their captors culturally. Remnants of these slave descendants still remain in Brazil, Cuba and USA (especially New Orleans).
3) Jebu itself was a vassal kingdom to Benin. This is wrong. This is how the Binis became historically linked to the Yorubas: https://www.britannica.com/place/Benin-historical-kingdom-West-Africa. Binis formally requested to be rulled by Yorubas. That is why until recently the corpse of Oba of Benin MUST be buried in Ife.

1) your logics are hard to follow, there is indeed no logical link with this your claim "Colonial African map was initially even claimed to be smaller that western Europe" and with your conlusion: "The colonial maps actually mean nothing" and "Those maps are simply how dominators saw Africa and not how Africa was."

First of all, what I posted was not a colonial map, it was a precolonial map, the europeans were trade partners with africans at that stage, not "dominators". Also the map is a picture of the region at that period of time, it shows the countries which occupied that space and their borders, that is the meaning of the map !

"Yoruba culture evolved from original occupants like trhe Ugbos and the settled migrants like the descendants of Oduduwa.":

it seems someone forgot to educate you on the fact that oduduwa is a mythical creature who actually never existed...this is one problem with you yorubas, when talking about history you always feel the need to confuse fairytales with history.

2) "The Itsekiris saw how great the Bini monarchy was and they requested a king from there (possibly to avoid war or invasion). Only the Itsekiri royal blood and immigrants that followed are linked to Benin. Please read https://www.britannica.com/topic/Itsekiri[/b]"

You are telling a story which wasn't witnessed by anybody ! You can quote britanica all you want, it still remains a fairytale ! Also, the name "bini" is not the name of the people of Benin empire, their name is Edo !

3) " Jebu itself was a vassal kingdom to Benin. This is wrong. [b]This is how the Binis became historically linked to the Yorubas: https://www.britannica.com/place/Benin-historical-kingdom-West-Africa. Binis formally requested to be rulled by Yorubas. That is why until recently the corpse of Oba of Benin MUST be buried in Ife."

The people whom are writing all these trash on britanica, I wish I could have an interview with them, none of this was witnessed ! It is just a fairytale created by "yoruba" in the colonial era and spread like apropaganda and now it finds its place in britanica. But no proof of it was ever provided. Actually the first europeans who came to our region did so in the 1400's, they saw no "yoruba" and no "ife" rather they saw a great Benin empire led by the Oba of Benin, for more than 400 years the europeans had been visiting our region and found no link between Benin empire and ife village ! All this story which you are saying is a yoruba invented story trying to claim attachment to Benin.

Also no Oba of Benin has ever been buried in ife !
The only place other than Benin city where an oba of Benin has been buried is actually Calabar: Oba Ovonramwen.

Actually ife was a small settlement until 1912 when the british started urbanizing it !
Benin was an empire already in the 1400's

PLEASE STOP TELLING LIES !

As usual with the yoruba, I bring proof to substantiate my claims, whereas the yoruba waves off the proof with a non-logical explanation and then proceeds to serve the public his bunch of fairytales and quotes a paper website which favors his claims (without providing any proof), the fact he still has no proof doesn't bother him, it is all about appearances to the yoruba, he wants to play on "credibility" not actual proof.
Now how a person with a brain would think a britianica article which was written by a person still alive today would be more reliable than a precolonial map drawn hundreds of years ago by people who actually witnessed our ancestors ...this is pure yoruba logics/madness: facts and truth don't matter to yoruba, appearances are way more important to the yoruba. The yoruba don't want to prove anything, rather they want to convince you of something, this is because their claims are a bunch of lies, it is impossible to prove a lie, so the yoruba would play a game of "credibility" instead and try to convince rather than prove.

To the yarri.ba (which by the way only meant oyo until it was victim to historical revisionism), nobody in the planet ever "requested a king from the yoruba" and nobody ever will, it is only in your wildest dreams that such things happened. Your ancestors were slaves and conquered people...your attempts at grabbing Benin's glorious past because you have none of your own is just pitiful.
You "yarri.ba" are the only people on planet earth which is trying to appropriate an other peoples history. Your foundations are all based on a lie.

In-house encyclopaedia,
I must greet you

Konquest:

Itsekiris are directly related to
Yorubas. Ilajes, Ifes and Ijebus are the 3 Yoruba groups that largely
make up Itsekiris. Indigenous
Yoruboid groups extend into
Delta State.

So the Itsekiri queens of all Olus have a right to use the royal
title of Olori like it's done in
Yorubaland.

Read more about the Ijebu Chief Lenuwa of Ode Itsekiri which was founded originally by Ijebus, and
Prince Ginuwa the son of the then
Oba of Benin in the 1480s who migrated on exile and settled
among the Ijebus of Ode Itsekiri.
Omadino also has Ijebu origins.
Ugborodo (formerly Escravos) was
founded by Ilajes of Ugboland in Ondo
State over 500 years ago.



Cc: Gate050, Tzar

I just realized you know nothing about the Yorubas and how we create unwritten history.
We use folklore, historical verbal education, songs, panegyrics, divination and mysticism to record our history.
Oduduwa is not ONLY a mythical being based on Yoruba Folklore, He was a king of Ife based on our traditional panegyrics.
For instance, there is a Sango who is seen as a mythical being in our folklore and a King Sango recorded in old Oyo empire royal recitation (which is very recent).

Just the way there are mythical stories about Bible and Quran characters, modern Jewish and Islamic archeology & history have established that some of these characters that look only mythical existed. The only academic dillema is establishing evidence on the miracles and unscientific events that happened in these Holy Books.

If you believe Oduduwa was ONLY a mythical being, my discussion with you will have to end here (because you DO NOT understand how the Yorubas preserved their history).

I respect your views, but I will appreciate if you do not conclude that Yorubas are liars. What we can do is for our intellctuals / scientists to engage in serious archeological expeditions to unearth evidence of our history and interractions as Africans. Sadly, our governments and scholars are too lazy to do this.

Until then, GOODBYE.

Truthvalue41:

1) your logics are hard to follow, there is indeed no logical link with this your claim "Colonial African map was initially even claimed to be smaller that western Europe" and with your conlusion: "The colonial maps actually mean nothing" and "Those maps are simply how dominators saw Africa and not how Africa was."

First of all, what I posted was not a colonial map, it was a precolonial map, the europeans were trade partners with africans at that stage, not "dominators". Also the map is a picture of the region at that period of time, it shows the countries which occupied that space and their borders, that is the meaning of the map !

"Yoruba culture evolved from original occupants like trhe Ugbos and the settled migrants like the descendants of Oduduwa.":

it seems someone forgot to educate you on the fact that oduduwa is a mythical creature who actually never existed...this is one problem with you yorubas, when talking about history you always feel the need to confuse fairytales with history.

2) "The Itsekiris saw how great the Bini monarchy was and they requested a king from there (possibly to avoid war or invasion). Only the Itsekiri royal blood and immigrants that followed are linked to Benin. Please read https://www.britannica.com/topic/Itsekiri[/b]"

You are telling a story which wasn't witnessed by anybody ! You can quote britanica all you want, it still remains a fairytale ! Also, the name "bini" is not the name of the people of Benin empire, their name is Edo !

3) " Jebu itself was a vassal kingdom to Benin. This is wrong. [b]This is how the Binis became historically linked to the Yorubas: https://www.britannica.com/place/Benin-historical-kingdom-West-Africa. Binis formally requested to be rulled by Yorubas. That is why until recently the corpse of Oba of Benin MUST be buried in Ife."

The people whom are writing all these trash on britanica, I wish I could have an interview with them, none of this was witnessed ! It is just a fairytale created by "yoruba" in the colonial era and spread like apropaganda and now it finds its place in britanica. But no proof of it was ever provided. Actually the first europeans who came to our region did so in the 1400's, they saw no "yoruba" and no "ife" rather they saw a great Benin empire led by the Oba of Benin, for more than 400 years the europeans had been visiting our region and found no link between Benin empire and ife village ! All this story which you are saying is a yoruba invented story trying to claim attachment to Benin.

Also no Oba of Benin has ever been buried in ife !
The only place other than Benin city where an oba of Benin has been buried is actually Calabar: Oba Ovonramwen.

Actually ife was a small settlement until 1912 when the british started urbanizing it !
Benin was an empire already in the 1400's

PLEASE STOP TELLING LIES !

As usual with the yoruba, I bring proof to substantiate my claims, whereas the yoruba waves off the proof with a non-logical explanation and then proceeds to serve the public his bunch of fairytales and quotes a paper website which favors his claims (without providing any proof), the fact he still has no proof doesn't bother him, it is all about appearances to the yoruba, he wants to play on "credibility" not actual proof.
Now how a person with a brain would think a britianica article which was written by a person still alive today would be more reliable than a precolonial map drawn hundreds of years ago by people who actually witnessed our ancestors ...this is pure yoruba logics/madness: facts and truth don't matter to yoruba, appearances are way more important to the yoruba. The yoruba don't want to prove anything, rather they want to convince you of something, this is because their claims are a bunch of lies, it is impossible to prove a lie, so the yoruba would play a game of "credibility" instead and try to convince rather than prove.

To the yarri.ba (which by the way only meant oyo until it was victim to historical revisionism), nobody in the planet ever "requested a king from the yoruba" and nobody ever will, it is only in your wildest dreams that such things happened. Your ancestors were slaves and conquered people...your attempts at grabbing Benin's glorious past because you have none of your own is just pitiful.
You "yarri.ba" are the only people on planet earth which is trying to appropriate an other peoples history. Your foundations are all based on a lie.

Pride is your major problem, the Oba of bini knew that he came from ife, the orun oba ado is real, you lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, if bini disregard the recognition of ife over them Akure also should disregard the recognition of bini.

FutureIsFemale:
Happy 7th Anni to them.

God please bless me with a husband who knows you.

People like you nai dey find virgin man, but keeps oloshoing around the neighborhood. Nonsense and ingredience!

obanioluorun:
Pride is your major problem, the Oba of bini knew that he came from ife, the orun oba ado is real, you lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, if bini disregard the recognition of ife over them Akure also should disregard the recognition of bini.

1) The link between Benin (not "Bini" ) and Akure was witnessed and written about by eyewitnesses.
2) Ife was a small settlement until 1912 when the British started urbanising it whereas Benin was already witnessed as an empire in the 1400's
3) oduduwa, orammiyan, ogiso, obatala...all theses are fairytales never written about by eyewitnesses.
4) "orun oba ado" is a fraud created (quite recently). All Oba of Benin were buried in or around their palace in Benin city (some burials were written about by people who talked to eyewitnesses) except Oba Ovonramwen who was buried in Calabar.

Fact is fact.
Most of you guys know the stories about Ife are made up lies but you keep pushing them and asking others to validate your lies.