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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 11:12pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
BasedUsername: You are being speculative, anyone could also say they were trying to disarm him and hand him over to the police, a good level of threat has to be established not speculations, more reason I worry about how people easily throw words like self defense around 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BasedUsername: 11:13pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
budaatum: The funny thing is that Kyle Rittenhouse (just like George Zimmerman) is partly latino while all the people he shot were white jews. So why does the race of the jury matter? |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 11:16pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
sanpipita: Why would they be trying to disarm him and not other gun wielding protesters? Everyone there with a gun is there to protect themselves. If you have a gun and you are being attacked what will you do? |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 11:17pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
BasedUsername: Nothing skilled about hitting targets at that range. Boy was just lucky. If someone can kick him in the head and another can skateboard him while he's holding a gun, his skill level is low. Stop making him out to be Rambo. He was just lucky. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 11:17pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
BasedUsername: It is my own opinion that a black juror might likely have voted guilty, especially if its one the prosecutor got on there. Note. Its an opinion. I'm not claiming race should have mattered, just that race seems to matter a lot in America. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 11:21pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
sanpipita: And why would they claim to be trying to disarm him? Would that have been illegally disarming him of his second amendment rights? If the dead could have claimed any such thing, Rittenhouse wouldn't have been charged for killing them! 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 11:21pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
sanpipita: Yankee is a crazy place. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BasedUsername: 11:24pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
sanpipita: You realize that witnesses say that Rosenbaum was shouting threats to Kyle's group all night, right? You realize that there's video footage of Rosenbaum acting aggressively and shouting racial slurs at Kyle's group, right? You realize there's video evidence of Rosenbaum and a gang of thugs chasing a retreating Kyle to corner when one of them fires into the air? Do you also know that afterwards he told he told people that he had just shot someone and those people tried to attend to Rosenbaum until the mob started drawing near and those people told him to leave? At the point where Kyle is cornered, Rosenbaum grabbed (not just touched) his weapon, and we know this because of the powder burns on his hands which were consistent with someone who was grabbing the barrel of a rifle as it was fired. A good level of threat was already established when he got cornered by an angry mob that was chasing him. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 11:26pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
Ibime: And that is precisely the point. The Fed is on one hand moaning about leverage, and on the other they are encouraging more leverage. https://wolfstreet.com/2021/11/18/stock-market-leverage-spikes-margin-debt-up-42-yoy-fed-warns-about-high-leverage-ratio-of-younger-retail-investors/ |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 11:29pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
raumdeuter: They have already been brawling, Rittenhouse supposed attack didn't happen out of nowhere, he had shot someone, like I said people can say he was attacked as self defense since he has shot someone, arguments can go both ways, it's not that straight forward. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BasedUsername: 11:33pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
Ibime: He had just fallen when that guy started kicking him, and its difficult to aim a long rifle at such close range in a heated situation. Also his gun seemed to jam before Huber started his attack, so he cleared the jam, aimed the gun (tbh Huber basically walked into barrel), and ventilated him all while receiving skateboard blows. However, the Grosskreutz encounter was the most impressive. His gun was ready but Grosskreutz raised his hands so Rittenhouse stopped aiming, Grosskreutz then tried to pull a sneaky and draw his weapon while Kyle's guard was down. It wasn't until he had it pointed at Kyle that Kyle blew his bicep off. The same one that was holding the gun, meaning that his hand was just stuck gripping it. He definitely isn't Rambo but he showed above-average skill, dexterity and discipline for a seventeen year-old in a tense situation. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 11:34pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
budaatum: Disarming him doesn't take away his second amendment rights, police will disarm people when you bear arms in dangerous positions. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 11:35pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
Ibime: I don't understand why people don't get it, imagine Ahmaud Arbery killers are claiming self defense too |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 11:48pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
budaatum: I don't get how the fed are encouraging leverage? Using leverage is an individual choice, and you have to use leverage when trading commodities or forex anyway due to their low volatility. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 11:56pm On Nov 19, 2021 |
BasedUsername: Stop lionising him jor. Are you having role model issues? Rambo no dey fall in combat. Fear tripped him over. Which self discipline did he show to blast an unarmed Rosenbaum four times. Other militia there said Kyle was flustered, and they had encountered Rosenbaum and turned their back on him cos they knew he was a barking puppy. Kyle got flustered by Rosenbaum. There is a way to compose yourself with a gun, that will back people off, which is what all the other vigilantes did to Rosenbaum. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 12:06am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Ibime: By keeping interest rates low, leverage is encouraged. One can buy shares without leverage. And yes, it is a choice. You'd see its effect more in house prices. https://wolfstreet.com/2021/09/28/the-most-splendid-housing-bubbles-in-america-holy-cow-september-update/ |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 12:08am On Nov 20, 2021 |
sanpipita: The public is not the police, and don't have any right to deprive anyone of their Second Amendment in any position whatsoever. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 12:14am On Nov 20, 2021 |
sanpipita: Ahmaud Arbery was not a threat. He had no weapon, and was running away when he was shot, so not the same thing, even though his killers are trying to claim self-defense. Note the contradiction below. We'll see what the jury decides.
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 12:17am On Nov 20, 2021 |
budaatum: Leverage is the least of concerns when setting interest rates. Most retail traders aren't even concerned about overnight fees when using leverage. How will someone trading at 100x leverage concern himself with whether overnight fee is at 6% APR or 10% APR . - for a trade they will only stay in for a couple of days and pay like 0.01% in Overnight fees. It's like you haven't hit the wild streets of Reddit/Robinhood/Etoro recently. Young boys are going YOLO. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 12:20am On Nov 20, 2021 |
budaatum: How these guys want claim self defence is the funniest thing this year. Aubry case should hurry up and wrap up to assuage tensions from the Rittenhouse case. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BasedUsername: 12:32am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Ibime: I don't understand what you're talking about. An angry mob attacked him, some of whom were armed too, and he came out alive. Life is not John Wick where you're steadily hitting people with headshots. He shot Rosenbaum (who was grabbing his weapon at the time) enough times to bring him down and he even let people know that he had just shot him He also, showed good enough judgement to not hurt anyone who wasn't attempting to hurt him. He retreated when he could and fought back when cornered. He always used enough force to neutralize his assailants, and in the end he attempted to surrender to police. Or given that you were in that situation, how would you have handled it differently? 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 1:05am On Nov 20, 2021 |
BasedUsername: I wouldn't be in that situation cos I'm not a child of hatred that goes to flex muscles or guns at people I disagree with. A mob is supposed to attack you when you shoot one of them. If Grosskeutz had shot Kyle, he'd be the one with the self defence verdict. How can both be right at the same time Right from the first day I watched the video the day after the shooting I said Kyle will walk under America's crazy laws. That does not mean I am not disgusted by what he went there to do. I even dislike BLM, but what I dislike more are Nazis who go to riots in the name of defending statues or businesses they don't even know. When people are in a rage, whether real or perceived, you let them burn out. Only a real racist will go to such an event in the first place, not a normal person. No man goes strapped to oppose rioters without half a hope of someone giving him a reason to use. A case of I wish a nigga would. You on the other hand are lionising him. Save your bollocks, you right-wing werey. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 1:09am On Nov 20, 2021 |
budaatum: Armauds case is pure murder, He wasnt carrying a weapon, He didnt trespass their property. Anyone can claim anything. Very few accused plead guilty. Even a rap1st will claim he raped in self defence. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BasedUsername: 2:56am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Ibime: You're so full of rage my dude. Armed protesters have always been a thing in America, the Black Panthers even conducted an armed protest back in the 60s. Were they also children of hate or nazis? There have been armed civilians on both sides of the aisle during protests but you only think it's a bad thing now that you see someone who you believe to be your ideological opponent doing it. By the way, can you provide evidence to show the guy was a nazi? You're just slinging mud and grasping at straws to justify why he should have been lynched. There are videos of him at that event giving first aid to a girl who was hurt during the riot. The only racism I saw came from Rosenbaum who was shouting the n-word at the guy and his group on video. Also, he hadn't shot anyone before the mob started chasing him so i don't even know what you're going on about there. He was foolish for being there at the time, granted but I can't help but notice that you give a pass to the people who were burning down the city for what was later discovered to be a justified shooting. Especially when Rittenhouse was the CHILD in this situation. You hold the child responsible for being at a riot to defend property but not the adults destroying the city. You hold the child responsible for being with a gun when he would have been dead or seriously hurt without it. Fvck it, whether you are a nazi, commie, jihadist, or whatever messed up ideology that exists, you still have your right to life. Thus, you have the rights to defend yourself from people who want to kill you. And stop it with this partisan stuff. I couldn't give a crap about left or right wing. Hell, five or six years ago my opinions on gender equality and lgbt rights were considered radical on this forum. Just argue facts, this in-group/out-group stuff kills conversation. At the end of the day, all this could have been avoided if the media had just reported the facts about Jacob Blake. 4 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 3:24am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Ibime: he has no intention to hurt anybody, if he does or wanted to kill people, I doubt if they would have come 2fit close to him. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 3:30am On Nov 20, 2021 |
BasedUsername: Stop talking rubbish dude. You can only deceive yourself. Your history on this forum and the way you have been lionising Kyle shows your true colours. Your attempt to narrow this down to simply a self defence case shows where your sympathy lies. My gripe is Kyle going there out of his virulent hatred in the first place. Here's a video of him two weeks earlier watching the riots and saying he wish he had his AR on him so he can pump bullets in the rioters. His mouth has told me where his heart lies, regardless of the fact the actions of that day fall under American standards of self-defence. The same heart is what took him there that night wishing a nigga would. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3B_tpccOnw So save your sanctimonious bullcrap about self defence. That racist wanted trouble from the jump. There is nothing like going to counter protest a group who feel aggrieved unless you are intolerant of the group protesting, especially when their rage is so high. I can't go to counter protest a gay rights demonstration unless there's a virulent hatred driving me there. Neither can I go where Muslims or some other group are protesting. Much less armed and intimidatingly so. Anyone you see counter protesting any group with arms on them has a hatred for that group. Even in Nigeria when groups are rioting and burning down the City, we put palm fronds on our cars to show we are not against them. It doesn't matter if we disagree with their method of rioting, it would take extreme hatred to tool up to show we are countering whatever they are protesting about Everybody gets their chance to protest. Citizens job is either to sympathise, or stay home if we don't agree and let Government who we pay our taxes resolve the matter, not to go inflame people on edge. We may even sympathise with some elements of their cause, but be disgusted by their method of rioting about it. I believe that is the way most people feel about BLM, but only the Nazis go around forming vigilante to oppose BLM. Here in Britain, most people were disgusted by BLM pulling down statues of old British figures, but only the NeoNazis went out to seek confrontation at the statues. Normal citizens already knew the Police would do their best to protect those statues, but the Nazis went there to seek confrontation. I don't need a soothsayer to tell me that any Sunni who goes to Abuja to counter protest El ZakZaky people is virulently anti-Shiite. Rittenhouse is a blooming racist, put that in your pipe and smoke it. I don't even need to see him posing with Proud Boys and throwing up their signs to know (which he did). By his going there that night, I already know his orientation. Bible says by their fruits, we shall know them. Mumu like you will be the one asking for any evidence of George Zimmerman being a racist until you saw Zimmerman auctioning off Confederate flags years later And stop parroting right wing semantics about Rosenbaum being a racist for using the N word at Kyle. What intent is there toward Kyle? Rosenbaum who joined a black protest, using word nigga on a white man should tell you he listens to too much rap and is mentally disturbed. Stop gaslighting. Spare me your weyrey disguising under self defence talk, spare me.your parroting of far-right talking points such as Rosenbaum using the N word on Kyle or Kyle shooting white men (he shot white activists rioting for a black cause just like Wilkes-Booth shot Lincoln), and spare me foolish talk of that boy being a medic 2 Likes
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 3:47am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Ibime: No evidence that was kyle. No evidence he is a racist or a nazi, all this is because of what? 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 3:54am On Nov 20, 2021 |
benalvino3: That was Kyle. That was the video the Judge denied being presented as he thought it would be prejudicial to the case. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 4:05am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Ibime: The judge denied it because it is irrelevant and the beauty of this all. Saying something and doing something is not the same thing. Rosenbaum was shouting he is gonna kill people and Bleep them up. He was only shot when he was trying to do what he said. If kyle wanted to shoot people how come he only shoot people who were trying to hurt him? all the witnesses the prosecution calls to convict kyle's stories ended up in favor of kyle, non of them see anything related to nazi or racist from kyle. I don't know where you are getting that from. that's how they said Sandmann was a nazi and a racist for just standing and facing hatred from a mob of Indians and black men. the innocent guy got labeled a racist because he is Right-leaning and I am surprised you are spreading this crap. would you say all the unprovoked black-on-black shootings in the fruited plains of Chicago are nazi and racist related? would you say it is racist for a 7/11 owner to defend his store from robbers with guns race-related? 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by WispyEthereal: 4:06am On Nov 20, 2021 |
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by gambojimeta: 4:07am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Aftas Yas Isa defends Kyle rottenshouses, Ya Isa go drinks white garri andi groundinuts in ya house
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by gambojimeta: 4:09am On Nov 20, 2021 |
Ibime:Ya Isa too smart fa disi thread . Ya Isa wastey times explains ta far-righties wanna-bees lunatics Ina naijeriya. Goodulucks
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