Kobojunkie:
Interesting! I have just one question for you then...
... Has God already created the New Heaven and the New Earth He promised that would happen in?

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Do you seriously think so little of Jesus Christ that you would seek to pitch God against He that is the Truth of God?

So what do you mean? that no one taken to heaven and to hell? what of paul's testimony of how he was taken to the third heaven to see the glory of it? and what about the revelation God gave to John the beloved about the two ends of eternity, [heaven and hell]? bro you claim to know Jesus but in reality you don't know him!

BornofGod108:
1. So what do you mean? that no one taken to heaven and to hell?

2. what of paul's testimony of how he was taken to the third heaven to see the glory of it? and what about the revelation God gave to John the beloved about the two ends of eternity, [heaven and hell]?

3. bro you claim to know Jesus but in reality you don't know him!

1. Jesus Christ, the King and ruler over the Kingdom of God said that there are no humans in Heaven or Hell until after He returns and then judges everyone in His flock.- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 5 vs 19 - 29 & Matthew 13 vs 24 - 30

2. Paul's testimony of being taken to the third Heaven is Paul's. John's dream/vision of Hell is John's dream/vision.

3. If you knew Jesus Christ to begin with, you would know never to confuse what men(Paul, John, etc.,) say with what Jesus Christ, God's Law, has decreed on any issue.

You seem to believe Jesus Christ a liar, and this from the fact that you seek to overrule His own decree, this in His own Kingdom, by your continuous attempts to plead, in His stead, the ideas of men.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ, the King and ruler over the Kingdom of God said that there are no humans in Heaven or Hell until after He returns and then judges everyone in His flock.- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 5 vs 19 - 29 & Matthew 13 vs 24 - 30

many scriptures shows that when a believer dies he ascends to heaven and one of it is Act 7:54 - 60 stephen was received into heaven when he died

Jesus story about the rich man and Lazarus also show the end of sinners when the die

BornofGod108:
1. many scriptures shows that when a believer dies he ascends to heaven and one of it is Act 7:54 - 60 stephen was received into heaven when he died

2. Jesus story about the rich man and Lazarus also show the end of sinners when the die

You know, I keep saying that you don't believe in Jesus Christ at all but instead in the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) which Jesus Christ warned were all lies and an abomination where the Truth of God is concerned, but you probably think I don't know what I say at all.

1. Where in the passage below do you read that Stephen was received directly into Heaven when he died?

57 Everyone there started shouting loudly, covering their ears with their hands. Together they all ran at Stephen.
58 They took him out of the city and began throwing stones at him. The men who told lies against Stephen gave their coats to a young man named Saul.
59 As they were throwing the stones at him, Stephen was praying. He said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
60 He fell on his knees and shouted, “Lord, don’t blame them for this sin!” These were his last words before he died. - Acts 7 vs 57 - 60

2. So the parable/story of Lazarus and the rich man whicj Jesus Christ told in order to warn us against listening to the lies of people who would come peddling stories about how they supposedly died and went to hell and or heaven somehow overwrites Jesus Christ's direct teachings on the subjects of the dead remaining in the grave until after He returns and judges them before they gain admission to eternal reward or eternal damnation?

2. So the parable/story of Lazarus and the rich man whicj Jesus Christ told in order to warn us against listening to the lies of people who would come peddling stories about how they supposedly died and went to hell and or heaven somehow overwrites Jesus Christ's direct teachings on the subjects of the dead remaining in the grave until after He returns and judges them before they gain admission to eternal reward or eternal damnation? [/quote]

There is nothing like dying and remaining in grave! the scriptures clearly states Heb 9:27 that "it is appointed unto man once to die and after it the judgement". and it was clearly illustrated in the story of the rich man and lazarus.

BornofGod108:
There is nothing like dying and remaining in grave! the scriptures clearly states Heb 9:27 that "it is appointed unto man once to die and after it the judgement". and it was clearly illustrated in the story of the rich man and lazarus.

So, yet again you accuse Jesus Christ of lying when He taught that people will sleep in their graves until He returns to raise them and then judge them - John 5 vs 19 - 29?

You say it was clearly illustrated for you in the story of Lazarus and the Rich man, meaning you believe Jesus Christ lied to us by way of several other parables like the Parable of the 10 brides, the Parable of wheat and tares, Parable of husbandsman, Parable of the Vineyard, etc., where He clearly taught that judgement will come before reward and punishment?

Worse of all, you directly accuse Jesus Christ of lying when He taught His followers that no one will enter into Heaven or Hell until after He returns and judges there works - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 5 vs 19 - 29 ?

Hashabiah:
Can you prove that Jesus never existed ?

No body saw or knew him

He did not write anything

The 4 gospel are suspect because they where written by anonymous authors and way WY after the time he was said to have lived

God never said he had so he was sending to earth

There is only one God as contained in theTanakh

God already provided a solutionto the problem of sin. Confess and forsake and he will forgive...

There was never any need for Jesus..

Worse of all, you directly accuse Jesus Christ of lying when He taught His followers that no one will enter into Heaven or Hell until after He returns and judges there works - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 5 vs 19 - 29 ? [/quote]


you are among those that interprete the word to their own destruction. so by your claim that no body is in heaven and hell, Jesus deceived the theif on the cross, when he told him in Lk 23-43 that he will be with him in paradise? you need to read Jesus words with understanding!

the story of the rich man and lazarus was not a parable but a true life story, reason are-

1 check Lk 16:19 you will not see"and Jesus spake a parable" but you will "there was a certain rich man"

2 in parables people names are not mentioned but in Lk 16:20 some one's name was mentioned (Lazarus)

3 the rich man name was Davies

sonmvayina:


No body saw or knew him

He did not write anything

The 4 gospel are suspect because they where written by anonymous authors and way WY after the time he was said to have lived

God never said he had so he was sending to earth

There is only one God as contained in theTanakh

God already provided a solutionto the problem of sin. Confess and forsake and he will forgive...

There was never any need for Jesus..

Bros , if you close your eyes to the evidence then you won't be able to see it. The bible is not the only historical document that contains the life and existence of Jesus . There are other sources that speak on the existence of Jesus .

For example, the records of the second century Roman historian Cornelius T Citus who happens the be a major scholar of antiquity had this to say "

Therefore, to put down the rumor,Nero substitute as culprits and punished in the most unusual ways those hated for their shameful acts ...whom the crowds called Chrestians. The founder of this name Christ, had be executed in the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate .



Still not convince ? How about 1st century Jewish historian , Flavius Josephus, who mention Jesus twice in his antiquity (once in book 18 and once in book 20). Here's what he said in book 20, chapter 9 as he describes the killing of James


: "...so he assembled the sanhedrin of the judges , and brought before them the brother of Jesus , who was called Christ , whose name was James and some others ...he delivered them to be stoned "


There many historical document that carry the narratives that Jesus existed , and if you had taken the time to study , you would have seen this .

BornofGod108:
you are among those that interprete the word to their own destruction. so by your claim that no body is in heaven and hell, Jesus deceived the theif on the cross, when he told him in Lk 23-43 that he will be with him in paradise? you need to read Jesus words with understanding!

the story of the rich man and lazarus was not a parable but a true life story, reason are-

1 check Lk 16:19 you will not see"and Jesus spake a parable" but you will "there was a certain rich man"

2 in parables people names are not mentioned but in Lk 16:20 some one's name was mentioned (Lazarus)

3 the rich man name was Davies

Unlike you, I have no need to interpret scripture at all. I simply do as Jesus Christ commands using the Understanding I have and He gives me more as a result of my obedience. So I am not afraid of accepting His teachings and commandments as they are given by Him.

■ The thief on the cross went to a place called paradise, not Heaven, and that very same day, Jesus Christ was in paradise with the man. We know that Jesus Christ was in the grave that day, and did not ascend to Heaven until about 2 weeks later, so how could you confuse paradise with Heaven?

Instead the thief on the cross was of the Old Covenant Law of Moses and his admission of the cross led him to be pardoned according to God's declaration in Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20.

■ Interesting claim!

▪︎In the Parable of the Dishonest manager also told in Luke 16 vs 1 - 13, there was also no "Jesus spoke a Parable..." beginning.
▪︎The famous parable of the Prodigal Son written in Luke 15 vs 1 - 32 also doe not have a "Jesus spoke a Parable..." beginning to it.
▪︎The parable of the Wedding feast, written of in Luke 14 vs 16 - 24 also does not have a "Jesus spoke a Parable..." beginning to it.

So do you also assume those aren't Parables?

■ The lazarus name that was mentioned in the parable had nothing to do with Lazarus, the brother of Mary and Martha who lived in Bethany who was not a beggar.

The rule that names were not used in parables was not given to you by Jesus Christ. That is all your assumption.

■ the rich man's name was Davies? Are you kidding me?

Kobojunkie:
Unlike you, I have no need to interpret scripture at all. I simply do as Jesus Christ commands using the Understanding I have and He gives me more as a result of my obedience. So I am not afraid of accepting His teachings and commandments as they are given by Him.

■ The thief on the cross went to a place called paradise, not Heaven, and that very same day, Jesus Christ was in paradise with the man. We know that Jesus Christ was in the grave that day, and did not ascend to Heaven until about 2 weeks later, so how could you confuse paradise with Heaven?

Instead the thief on the cross was of the Old Covenant Law of Moses and his admission of the cross led him to be pardoned according to God's declaration in Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20.

■ Interesting claim!

▪︎In the Parable of the Dishonest manager also told in Luke 16 vs 1 - 13, there was also no "Jesus spoke a Parable..." beginning.
▪︎The famous parable of the Prodigal Son written in Luke 15 vs 1 - 32 also doe not have a "Jesus spoke a Parable..." beginning to it.
▪︎The parable of the Wedding feast, written of in Luke 14 vs 16 - 24 also does not have a "Jesus spoke a Parable..." beginning to it.

So do you also assume those aren't Parables?

■ The lazarus name that was mentioned in the parable had nothing to do with Lazarus, the brother of Mary and Martha who lived in Bethany who was not a beggar.

The rule that names were not used in parables was not given to you by Jesus Christ. That is all your assumption.

■ the rich man's name was Davies? Are you kidding me?

before Jesus death ,paradise was in the same place with hell but there was a great gulf fixed to separate them. when Jesus died he descended into hell and took the keys of hell, he also took paradise from hell to heaven , the saints that were in the paradise part of hell left for heaven, some of them were seen on the street of Jerusalem before finally disappearing to heaven. matt 27:45 - 53. Lk 16:21 - 26. Eph 4: 8 - 10. Rev 1:18 .

now when a believer dies his,/her soul goes to meet Jesus in heaven Phil 1:23 and the soul of a sinner goes to hell PS 9:17

BornofGod108:
1.before Jesus death ,paradise was in the same place with hell but there was a great gulf fixed to separate them. when Jesus died he descended into hell and took the keys of hell, he also took paradise from hell to heaven , the saints that were in the paradise part of hell left for heaven, some of them were seen on the street of Jerusalem before finally disappearing to heaven. matt 27:45 - 53. Lk 16:21 - 26. Eph 4: 8 - 10. Rev 1:18 .

2. now when a believer dies his,/her soul goes to meet Jesus in heaven Phil 1:23 and the soul of a sinner goes to hell PS 9:17

You may want to try again as none of the passages you included corrobates even the slightest of this fable you tell there in bold.

■ Matthew 27 vs 45 - 56 [/b]only mentions the events that took place as Jesus Christ died,this in Jerusalem at the time.
■ [b]Luke 16 vs 19 - 31 tells the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and says nothing of Jesus Christ or the Kingdom of God(place of eternal reward and or damnation).
■ Ephesians 4 vs 8 - 10 also does not corroborate your tale as it says nothing of the Kingdom of God or Heaven or Hell( place of Eternal damnation)or keys nor of paradise.
■ Revelations 1 vs 18 suggests Jesus Christ holds the keys to Death and Hades(Death). Still no mention of Hell(Eternal damnation place).

2. So you don't want to believe Jesus Christ because of Paul, is that it?

Hashabiah:
Bros , if you close your eyes to the evidence then you won't be able to see it. The bible is not the only historical document that contains the life and existence of Jesus . There are other sources that speak on the existence of Jesus .

For example, the records of the second century Roman historian Cornelius T Citus who happens the be a major scholar of antiquity had this to say "

Therefore, to put down the rumor,Nero substitute as culprits and punished in the most unusual ways those hated for their shameful acts ...whom the crowds called Chrestians. The founder of this name Christ, had be executed in the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate .



Still not convince ? How about 1st century Jewish historian , Flavius Josephus, who mention Jesus twice in his antiquity (once in book 18 and once in book 20). Here's what he said in book 20, chapter 9 as he describes the killing of James


: "...so he assembled the sanhedrin of the judges , and brought before them the brother of Jesus , who was called Christ , whose name was James and some others ...he delivered them to be stoned "


There many historical document that carry the narratives that Jesus existed , and if you had taken the time to study , you would have seen this .

Lol...I guess you just stumbled on it.

Those are later addition by Christians.

Josephus is a jew. He knows the place of the Torah in the life of a jew. He even said it was even unchanged since it was published to his time.

When did God say he had a son he was sending to earth as a sacrifice for sin in the old testament?

The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians...

Kobojunkie and Hashabiah...it has to be the authors of those new testament books you guys are quoting up and down that are confused, not the creator of heavenand earth. It could have been better if Jesus wrote his teaching or doctrines himself. But he would have to exist first. It is not called "Go Spel" for nothing.

It is really difficult to get out of it.

Hmmm, see men (or women) trying so hard to make sense out of nonsense.

Man is just God's breath +dust of the earth.. when God takes his spirit , the body experiences death. All that is required is for the living to bury it. For to dust it shall return. The spirit becomes one with God,just as the body becomes one with the earth..

Shikena. Hell or heaven indeed..

sonmvayina:
it has to be the authors of those new testament books you guys are quoting up and down that are confused, not the creator of heavenand earth. It could have been better if Jesus wrote his teaching or doctrines himself. But he would have to exist first. It is not called "Go Spel" for nothing.

It is really difficult to get out of it.

Hmmm, see men (or women) trying so hard to make sense out of nonsense. ...

Did the creator Himself first need to write any of His teachings and doctrines that is His Law to Adam and Eve from the beginning or His Old Covenant Law of Moses before you chose to believe of His existence ?

Why is that suddenly the criteria by which existence is to be proven? Do you ever first process your own nonsense at all?

Kobojunkie:
Did the creator Himself first need to write any of His teachings and doctrines that is His Law to Adam and Eve from the beginning or His Old Covenant Law of Moses before you chose to believe of His existence ?

Why is that suddenly the criteria by which existence is to be proven? Do you ever first process your own nonsense at all?

Lol...olodo, do you know the meaning of metaphor or Allegory?

I have never for once said Adam or eve existed. Adam means man and Eve means woman. The story is just teaching us how man lost the chance to dwell indefinitely on earth. God is metaphor for consciousness. It is what we all are...

Take a closer look at what wise king Solomon has to say in psalm 104:29-31.
When God send his spirit humans are created

When he takes it , they die and return to dust.

So what is wisdom is God sending his spirit to hell?

Makes no sense...

Wake up the 4 gospel are scams
Jesus never existed.no need for him

sonmvayina:



Lol...I guess you just stumbled on it.

Those are later addition by Christians.

Josephus is a jew. He knows the place of the Torah in the life of a jew. He even said it was even unchanged since it was published to his time.

When did God say he had a son he was sending to earth as a sacrifice for sin in the old testament?

The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians...

But you said Jesus never existed .

So why are you in denial about what credible historians wrote?

Hashabiah:
But you said Jesus never existed .

So why are you in denial about what credible historians wrote?

He never existed my guy.

There was never any need for him...

God already gave the jews all that they need in the Tanakh(old testament). There is no mistake there to warrant a new covenant...

sonmvayina:
Lol...olodo, do you know the meaning of metaphor or Allegory?

I have never for once said Adam or eve existed. Adam means man and Eve means woman. The story is just teaching us how man lost the chance to dwell indefinitely on earth. God is metaphor for consciousness. It is what we all are...

Pay attention!

Again, Did the creator Himself first need to write any of His teachings and doctrines that is His Law to Adam and Eve from the beginning or His Old Covenant Law of Moses before you chose to believe of His existence ?

Why is that suddenly the criteria by which existence is to be proven? Do you ever first process your own nonsense at all?

sonmvayina:


He never existed my guy.

There was never any need for him...

God already gave the jews all that they need in the Tanakh(old testament). There is no mistake there to warrant a new covenant...

But I just mentioned two historians whose records said that Jesus existed. So why are you denying the proof given?

BornofGod108:


God said in Isaiah 66:24 that he will take people to hell to see the great torment sinners are passing through,and it is happening in our time

Hellfire exists in the old testament and Adam never went there?
Sodom & Gomorrah never went there?
I wonder how you guys reason sef?

Kobojunkie:
Pay attention!

Again, Did the creator Himself first need to write any of His teachings and doctrines that is His Law to Adam and Eve from the beginning or His Old Covenant Law of Moses before you chose to believe of His existence ?

Why is that suddenly the criteria by which existence is to be proven? Do you ever first process your own nonsense at all?

His has already written his laws in our heart. Men wrote it on papyrus to remind those who may have forgotten... God dwells in all of us..

Not in a house built by Human hands....

Janosky:


Hellfire exists in the old testament and Adam never went there?
Sodom & Gomorrah never went there?
I wonder how you guys reason sef?

Adam was forgiven by God, but hell was in existence even before the creation of adam, hell fire was created by God for satan and his demons Matt 25:41, but because man disobeyed God at the garden of eden, he has follow satan to hell,repentance is the only remedy!

As for sodom and gomorrah they were all condemned to hell psalm 9:17

Janosky:

exists in the old testament and Adam never went there?
Sodom & Gomorrah never went there?
I wonder how you guys reason sef?

You no sabi Bible, Adam with him wife (Eve) dey inside HellFire now now, in fact they dey inside Lake of Fire dey cry cry everyday till life everlasting nah there them go dey!

BornofGod108:


Adam was forgiven by God,

Osanobua!
Wey Bible talk sey God done forgive Adam?

listen to this messge


topic: GOD'S ETERNAL JUDGEMENT AGAINST SIN AND SINNERS BY PASTOR PAUL RIKA




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyb_OiAsz_I

BornofGod108:
listen to this messge


topic: GOD'S ETERNAL JUDGEMENT AGAINST SIN AND SINNERS BY PASTOR PAUL RIKA




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyb_OiAsz_I

Listen to PASTOR!
So some people still believe Pastors!

Na wah for you o!

MaxInDHouse:


Osanobua!
Wey Bible talk sey God done forgive Adam?

GEN 3:21 an animal was slaughtered, and the skin of it was used as a covering for Adam and eve, that blood that was shed was a sacrifice God made for adam and eve for their forgiveness. Heb 9:22 says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin

MaxInDHouse:

Listen to PASTOR!
So some people still believe Pastors!

Na wah for you o!

yes oh! he is a preacher of holiness with divine inspiration!
You can't listen to him and still remain the same! he is sent bY Jesus!

BornofGod108:

GEN 3:21 an animal was slaughtered, and the skin of it was used as a covering for Adam and eve, that blood that was shed was a sacrifice God made for adam and eve for their forgiveness. Heb 9:22 says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin

God used skin to cover them so it means a sacrifice to you, please where is the blood for the sacrifice?

Well for your information, God never forgave Adam and Eve that's why their descendants inherited sin from them! Romans 5:12

BornofGod108:

yes oh! he is a preacher of holiness with divine inspiration!
You can't listen to him and still remain the same! he is sent bY Jesus!

The title "PASTOR" has disqualified anyone from being a teacher of God's word. Jesus taught us not to bear titles! Matthew 23:8-10
So you guys is a thief as in wolf in sheep's clothing!