My Son is super smart and at 8 has already been given double promotion twice in school. The 1st one he got was in the 2nd term of that year and he was only able to join the new class in their 3rd term yet he still came first and the school thought it necessary to move him again. So he is now in a class with kids 3yrs older than he is and already besting them too.

We are a very God loving family and even though I have never sat my son down to talk to him about God, I do ensure he goes to Church with me and joins me in my daily morning devotions. I do notice that he has an extremely inquisitive mind and would rather watch educational channels on DStv than cartoons especially since they stopped showing his best cartoon "Goku"

So we have this neighbour who is from Greece. His 7 yr old son and my son can be considered best of friends and they visit each other at will. So on this day he came to visit and while they were hanging out I suddenly heard them arguing from his room. Normally their arguments would be over a video game or something else but this one was interesting. They were arguing about God!

I stood by the door and listened. Apparently that day revealed to me that my neighbour is an atheist but I never knew and he has been indoctrinating his 7yr old son along those lines because I clearly heard the boy say to my Son, "God does not exist, he is just a story"

So here is the convo

Him: God is not real, He does not exist, He is just a story

My Son: Ethan what did you say?

Him: God is not real, He is just like Santa who also isn't real

My Son: How do you know he isn't real?

Him: Well my dad said he isn't real because he just isn't. Have you seen him?

My Son: So your dad says God isn't real because he hasn't seen him? So something isn't real because you can't see it? But what about feeling Him?

Him: Feelings are not something we can um um fully determine because they can be misleading

My Son: How can you say Feelings are misleading, you are my friend right? (He goes yeah?) So how are you sure you are my friend if your feelings can be misleading. Can you say your feelings misled you into being my friend?

Him: No that's not what I was trying to say

My Son cuts him off with a sharp tone: So if your feelings did not mislead you into being my friend how then do feelings mislead you?

Him: Have you felt God before?

My Son: No but I do know that I think about him a lot

Him: umm umm but How would you possibly be thinking about something that does not exist

My Son: Exactly Ethan!

At this point I step into the room and cheerfully say Okay guys playtime is over (because I needed to stop the argument and get my Son to study by asking his friend to go home)

However his final comment "Exactly Ethan" resonated with me and made me think that comment was actually directed at Ethan's dad and not Ethan because apparently he had been talking about the non existence of God to his Son A LOT!

So how do you constantly talk or think about Something or Someone that doesn't exist?

Interesting.

Hmm. The BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY already predicted a time like this when at very tender age our kids will be arguing God-related matters. I'm happy seeing this already. The concepts of God which are available right now are the ones atheists and irreligious people see and antagonize. For instance, how will you say that God is Jehovah or Allah? Their personalities and frivolities are enough for a 5 year old kid of this generation to detect that they can't fit as God with their myopic explanation of creations, reality and the universe.

Maybe when the world finally comes to understand that THE TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE is God Almighty, then we might not be having atheists in the world again, since all atheists are aware that there is EXISTENCE and so there will be TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE(God Almighty). But for you to say that God Almighty is one of the gods in one religion or the other, then atheists will surely antagonize you.

So I think the reason why atheists keep talking about that your god is because you keep telling them that he or she is their God.

Tetehjewels:
My Son is super smart and at 8 has already been given double promotion twice in school. The 1st one he got was in the 2nd term of that year and he was only able to join the new class in their 3rd term yet he still came first and the school thought it necessary to move him again. So he is now in a class with kids 3yrs older than he is and already besting them too.

We are a very God loving family and even though I have never sat my son down to talk to him about God, I do ensure he goes to Church with me and joins me in my daily morning devotions. I do notice that he has an extremely inquisitive mind and would rather watch educational channels on DStv than cartoons especially since they stopped showing his best cartoon "Goku"

So we have this neighbour who is from Greece. His 7 yr old son and my son can be considered best of friends and they visit each other at will. So on this day he came to visit and while they were hanging out I suddenly heard them arguing from his room. Normally their arguments would be over a video game or something else but this one was interesting. They were arguing about God!

I stood by the door and listened. Apparently that day revealed to me that my neighbour is an atheist but I never knew and he has been indoctrinating his 7yr old son along those lines because I clearly heard the boy say to my Son, "God does not exist, he is just a story"

So here is the convo

Him: God is not real, He does not exist, He is just a story

My Son: Ethan what did you say?

Him: God is not real, He is just like Santa who also isn't real

My Son: How do you know he isn't real?

Him: Well my dad said he isn't real because he just isn't. Have you seen him?

My Son: So your dad says God isn't real because he hasn't seen him? So something isn't real because you can't see it? But what about feeling Him?

Him: Feelings are not something we can um um fully determine because they can be misleading

My Son: How can you say Feelings are misleading, you are my friend right? (He goes yeah?) So how are you sure you are my friend if your feelings can be misleading. Can you say your feelings misled you into being my friend?

Him: No that's not what I was trying to say

My Son cuts him off with a sharp tone: So if your feelings did not mislead you into being my friend how then do feelings mislead you?

Him: Have you felt God before?

My Son: No but I do know that I think about him a lot

Him: umm umm but How would you possibly be thinking about something that does not exist

My Son: Exactly Ethan!

At this point I step into the room and cheerfully say Okay guys playtime is over (because I needed to stop the argument and get my Son to study by asking his friend to go home)

However his final comment "Exactly Ethan" resonated with me and made me think that comment was actually directed at Ethan's dad and not Ethan because apparently he had been talking about the non existence of God to his Son A LOT!

So how do you constantly talk or think about Something or Someone that doesn't exist?


cc Mynd44 Lalasticlala OAM4J

In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

johnydon22:


In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

You seem angry at a lot of things but certainly my Son or his little argument cannot be one of the things that has you all blowing hot.

First of all where in my OP did I remotely hint at my son winning the argument. I rather left it as anticlimactic.

I do know you are an atheist but then trying to indirectly bully my son through your comments with your choice of language is laughable and I am sure he would also laugh at this by the time I show him once he comes back from school.

I will type his response to you as he tells me because I want him to be the one to respond to you intellectually. That is how I got him to become smarter than those ahead of him and you certainly wouldn't be any different

Good luck with arguing with an 8yr old who knows how to hold his own any day of the week.

On such matters as this, over the years, experience has taught me to ask such questions as:


What is the proof that your narrative about the dialogue is true since the participants are not here to attest and verify your claim ??

The answer to the above question will consent to my judgement.

OtemAtum:
Hmm. The BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY already predicted a time like this when at very tender age our kids will be arguing God-related matters. I'm happy seeing this already. The concepts of God which are available right now are the ones atheists and irreligious people see and antagonize. For instance, how will you say that God is Jehovah or Allah? Their personalities and frivolities are enough for a 5 year old kid of this generation to detect that they can't fit as God with their myopic explanation of creations, reality and the universe.

Maybe when the world finally comes to understand that THE TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE is God Almighty, then we might not be having atheists in the world again, since all atheists are aware that there is EXISTENCE and so there will be TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE(God Almighty). But for you to say that God Almighty is one of the gods in one religion or the other, then atheists will surely antagonize you.

So I think the reason why atheists keep talking about that your god is because you keep telling them that he or she is their God.

I don't know what you are on about. Atheists are generally against the existence of any God or spiritual essence so it's got nothing to do with my God.

Their anti-belief has birthed in them the desire to always look down rather than looking "up"

Tetehjewels:


You seem angry at a lot of things but certainly my Son or his little argument cannot be one of the things that has you all blowing hot.

First of all where in my OP did I remotely hint at my son winning the argument. I rather left it as anticlimactic.

I do know you are an atheist but then trying to indirectly bully my son through your comments with your choice of language is laughable and I am sure he would also laugh at this by the time I show him once he comes back from school.

I will type his response to you as he tells me because I want him to be the one to respond to you intellectually. That is how I got him to become smarter than those ahead of him and you certainly wouldn't be any different

Good luck with arguing with an 8yr old who knows how to hold his own any day of the week.

Permit me to comment on this quote as it was not directed to me.

It is insulting to fallaciously equate your contender's remark to your son's sense of judgement and inadvertently adding that you'll direct his post to your son for a "better" reply.
It portrays a father who thinks his son is smarter that himself such that himself does not have the capacity to intellectually withstand a fellows propositions but seeks solace under his own 8 years old son for intellectual redemption.
I must confess that your maturity is questionable.

My inference is not on the matter but on your manner of approach as it depicts your sense of reasoning.

Tetehjewels:


I don't know what you are on about. Atheists are generally against the existence of any God or spiritual essence so it's got nothing to do with my God.

Their anti-belief has birthed in them the desire to always look down rather than looking "up"

If you will convince the atheists, then there must be just one generally-accepted God, but as it is right now, there is none. And what do you mean by saying 'atheists look down?'

Tetehjewels:


I don't know what you are on about. Atheists are generally against the existence of any God or spiritual essence so it's got nothing to do with my God.

Their anti-belief has birthed in them the desire to always look down rather than looking "up"

You committed a fallacy of hasty generalization and also have wrong notion about atheism.
Atheism is not a movement. Atheism is a belief in unbelieve.
Atheism is diversified. It is erroneous to narrowly limit it to the state of being "against" God's existence.

You like pizza, I don't like pizza.
That doesn't mean I am "against" you eating pizza. Notwithstanding, I may also be against you eating pizza. So don't fallaciously generalize the impression that I am against you eating pizza.
Conclusively, atheism is of various categories.

OtemAtum:
If you will convince the atheists, then there must be just one generally-accepted God, but as it is right now, there is none. And what do you mean by saying 'atheists look down?'

I'm equally trying to wrap my head round the "atheists look down" thing.

My observation is that he...as well as many christians think that because atheists do not agree with them, atheists see them as being inferior in thinking, as fools who are wallowing in absurd fantasy about a thing that doesn't exists.

No surprises that the more intelligent and wiser child believes in God.

This agrees with the general pattern in history, where those who believe in God have been observed to be exceedingly more intelligent than their ungodly peers including athiests.

Daniel 1:19-20 (KJV)

And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they before the king.
And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.

This is also reflected in modern science where Isaac Newton, generally considered to be the greatest scientist in history was proudly a believer in God.

The idea by atheists that are more intelligent than those who believe in God is merely a figment of their imaginations, as history has clearly proven this to be baseless and false.

Your neighbor's son is surely in very good company. It's only a matter of time before your son makes him see how foolish it was to deny the existence of God as Isaac Newton did to those of his day.

God bless.

Bluezy13:


Permit me to comment on this quote as it was not directed to me.

It is insulting to fallaciously equate your contender's remark to your son's sense of judgement and inadvertently adding that you'll direct his post to your son for a "better" reply.
It portrays a father who thinks his son is smarter that himself such that himself does not have the capacity to intellectually withstand a fellows propositions but seeks solace under his own 8 years old son for intellectual redemption.
I must confess that your maturity is questionable.

My inference is not on the matter but on your manner of approach as it depicts your sense of reasoning.

I do not need to engage in a so called "intellectual banter" with anyone especially since I can do better by taking advantage of that person's penchant to argue and better my son through that by allowing him to think his own thoughts and state his own responses.

My Son is a chip off the old block and this means he takes after me when it comes to being smart.

It's not everyday one finds a willing human guinea pig so I may as well allow my Son utilize this opportunity.

He just got back from school by the way

Bluezy13:


You committed a fallacy of hasty generalization and also have wrong notion about atheism.
Atheism is not a movement. Atheism is a belief in unbelieve.
Atheism is diversified. It is erroneous to narrowly limit it to the state of being "against" God's existence.

You like pizza, I don't like pizza.
That doesn't mean I am "against" you eating pizza. Notwithstanding, I may also be against you eating pizza. So don't fallaciously generalize the impression that I am against you eating pizza.
Conclusively, atheism is of various categories.

I honestly do not care about anything you just said above. "Atheism is a belief in unbelief" amazing confusion.

Anyway what I said was Atheism is an unbelief period but if to you it is a belief in unbelief then good luck with your brand of coffee

Bluezy13:


I'm equally trying to wrap my head round the "atheists look down" thing.

My observation is that he...as well as many christians think that because atheists do not agree with them, atheists see them as being inferior in thinking, as fools who are wallowing in absurd fantasy about a thing that doesn't exists.

This is why arguing with atheists Is a waste of time to me so I would rather utilize those moments to make my kid intelligently self expressive but within limits.

My line of expression was "Look down to the earth" rather than "looking up to the heavens" but of course you would so conveniently conclude I meant thinking of one as being inferior rather than asking for clarification.

You do know that people who jump into conclusions before asking questions for sake of clarity are generally always getting a lot of things wrong right?

Tetehjewels:


I honestly do not care about anything you just said above. "Atheism is a belief in unbelief" amazing confusion.

Anyway what I said was Atheism is an unbelief period but if to you it is a belief in unbelief then good luck with your brand of coffee

In a quick attempt to render invectives you ended up accusing me of writing "Atheism is belief in unbelief"; whereas I actually wrote "Atheism is a belief in unbelieve".
Your inability to decifer the difference between "belief" and "believe" subjected you to the "amazing confusion" as you rightly put it.
Perhaps you should consult your 8 years old son..., Don't you think

johnydon22:


In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

Had my kid read through your comment twice and he looked at me with a smile after reading it the second time and asked me to really explain to him what an atheist is (what is an atheist) those were his words after I had told him an atheist typed that. So had to take a few minutes to explain the who and what of atheism.

He paused and then said "okay".

He now asked a question connected to your comment about feelings. He actually asked me the question but I will direct it to you instead.

He said,"Um Daddy when grandma left us did you feel sad?"

I said we all felt sad you know this.

He said did Uncle Dennis know Grandma before she left us? I said no he didn't (because Dennis is a new friend I just made from his PTA meeting for the new class and my grandma died 2yrs ago so he never knew me or her then.

He said if Uncle Dennis is told now that we all felt sad when grandma left us would he be upset at us?

I said I don't think so

He now said "why would someone get upset and argue my own feelings with me which I feel toward someone or something that makes me happy even if that person or thing does not exist?" He paused then continued

"I mean is it actually the non existence of that which makes me happy they are unhappy with or arguing about or they are arguing over my own feelings which are mine to have?"

"If I am happy over the thoughts about Grandma why should this be of any concern to anyone since to them they never met or knew or experienced Grandma right?"

Now it was my turn to smile. This kid has a way with his thoughts and words and the way he pauses, looks down and talks as if he is reading it from somewhere it was written on the floor baffles me.

So that's his Question to you. He asks questions a lot so expect more of that if you reply this..afterall he is just 8

Bluezy13:

In a quick attempt to render invectives you ended up accusing me of writing "Atheism is belief in unbelief"; whereas I actually wrote "Atheism is a belief in unbelieve".
Your inability to decifer the difference between "belief" and "believe" subjected you to the "amazing confusion" as you rightly put it.
Perhaps you should consult your 8 years old son..., Don't you think

Still not interested in your attempts to have an argument Mr.

Tetehjewels:
My Son is super smart and at 8 has already been given double promotion twice in school. The 1st one he got was in the 2nd term of that year and he was only able to join the new class in their 3rd term yet he still came first and the school thought it necessary to move him again. So he is now in a class with kids 3yrs older than he is and already besting them too.

We are a very God loving family and even though I have never sat my son down to talk to him about God, I do ensure he goes to Church with me and joins me in my daily morning devotions. I do notice that he has an extremely inquisitive mind and would rather watch educational channels on DStv than cartoons especially since they stopped showing his best cartoon "Goku"

So we have this neighbour who is from Greece. His 7 yr old son and my son can be considered best of friends and they visit each other at will. So on this day he came to visit and while they were hanging out I suddenly heard them arguing from his room. Normally their arguments would be over a video game or something else but this one was interesting. They were arguing about God!

I stood by the door and listened. Apparently that day revealed to me that my neighbour is an atheist but I never knew and he has been indoctrinating his 7yr old son along those lines because I clearly heard the boy say to my Son, "God does not exist, he is just a story"

So here is the convo

Him: God is not real, He does not exist, He is just a story

My Son: Ethan what did you say?

Him: God is not real, He is just like Santa who also isn't real

My Son: How do you know he isn't real?

Him: Well my dad said he isn't real because he just isn't. Have you seen him?

My Son: So your dad says God isn't real because he hasn't seen him? So something isn't real because you can't see it? But what about feeling Him?

Him: Feelings are not something we can um um fully determine because they can be misleading

My Son: How can you say Feelings are misleading, you are my friend right? (He goes yeah?) So how are you sure you are my friend if your feelings can be misleading. Can you say your feelings misled you into being my friend?

Him: No that's not what I was trying to say

My Son cuts him off with a sharp tone: So if your feelings did not mislead you into being my friend how then do feelings mislead you?

Him: Have you felt God before?

My Son: No but I do know that I think about him a lot

Him: umm umm but How would you possibly be thinking about something that does not exist

My Son: Exactly Ethan!

At this point I step into the room and cheerfully say Okay guys playtime is over (because I needed to stop the argument and get my Son to study by asking his friend to go home)

However his final comment "Exactly Ethan" resonated with me and made me think that comment was actually directed at Ethan's dad and not Ethan because apparently he had been talking about the non existence of God to his Son A LOT!

So how do you constantly talk or think about Something or Someone that doesn't exist?


cc Mynd44 Lalasticlala OAM4J

LMAO! Avengers don't exist yet 3 of the most successful movies on the planet are about them. Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter don't exist yet fans of either hold conventions and buy replicas of items from either franchise with almost religious gusto. The fact that we indulge in whatever fantasies we love doesn't give credence to their reality. Sure the 7yr old has been gleaning stuff off from his father and doesn't have the reflective capability of your 8 Yr old but that doesn't make your god real. Also your son might be right that not everything that real is seen but we talking of a living god not an unknown quantity. If a living god doesn't have evidence then there is no difference between your god and the Avengers.

LordReed:


LMAO! Avengers don't exist yet 3 of the most successful movies on the planet are about them. Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter don't exist yet fans of either hold conventions and buy replicas of items from either franchise with almost religious gusto. The fact that we indulge in whatever fantasies we love does give credence to their reality. Sure the 7yr old has been gleaning stuff off from his father and doesn't have the reflective capability of your 8 Yr old but that doesn't make your god real. Also your son might be right that not everything that real is seen but we talking of a living god not an unknown quantity. If a living god doesn't have evidence then there is no difference between your god and the Avengers.

Well to be honest with you, I could say that if someone's imagination could create the avengers or the Lord of the rings and make sequels out of them enough to entertain a cross section of the earth it can also be argued that an even bigger imaginative force could imagine the universe and bring it into existence to the service of the entire universe.

Your example could actually be a microcosm of a much larger template of imagination

Tetehjewels:



Still not interested in your attempts to have an argument Mr.

If you weren't prepared, you shouldn't have brought it here.
Guess you were expecting accolades for your son

Interesting thread this one.

Bluezy13:


If you weren't prepared, you shouldn't have brought it here.
Guess you were expecting accolades for your son

Prepared for what? An argument?

Not in the least interested. Every situation is an opportunity to learn and grow. It's the turn of my kid now.

Well, God does exist.

By what measure would you successfully say something truly exists, I ask myself thinking we are here having a convivial discuss serenaded by Mozart's Sonnet just as Beethoven's Sonata fades into the wind. I digress.

Tetehjewels:


Well to be honest with you, I could say that if someone's imagination could create the avengers or the Lord of the rings and make sequels out of them enough to entertain a cross section of the earth it can also be argued that an even bigger imaginative force could imagine the universe and bring it into existence to the service of the entire universe.

Your example could actually be a microcosm of a much larger template of imagination

Except the only things we have seen to be capable of such imagination are minds situated in human bodies. No evidence is available to show otherwise. If there is a mind behind the universe where is it located and how can we know it?

Tetehjewels:


Prepared for what? An argument?

Not in the least interested. Every situation is an opportunity to learn and grow. It's the turn of my kid now.

Stop hiding under you kid's intelligence, my friend.

StJohnofChrist:
Well, God does exist.

By what measure would you successfully say something truly exists, I ask myself thinking we are here having a convivial discuss serenaded by Mozart's Sonnet just as Beethoven's Sonata fades into the wind. I digress.

Ahh a connoisseur of classical music

Great question. In this regard a lot of people tend to erroneously try to set up very lofty measures to test out the existence of God and they keep failing at this because as much as God is Omniscient He is also very personal and relatable even to the lowest of levels.

Thus the easiest way to prove His existence is via personalized ways which is why conversions are always via PERSONAL convictions and experiences.

James 4: 10 "Humble YOURSELF before God and He will exalt you".... (I could say he would exalt you to the point of experiencing Him for yourself).

LordReed:


Except the only things we have seen to be capable of such imagination are minds situated in human bodies. No evidence is available to show otherwise. If there is a mind behind the universe where is it located and how can we know it?

Yet the source of the MIND cannot be explained and how the unhindered imaginations of the mind came to be. Surely it is neither brain controlled or limited by that otherwise it would only dwell on practical things we know and have seen as stored up in the memory banks of the brain.

Surely since the brain cannot cage the mind whereof does it originate?

StJohnofChrist:
Well, God does exist.

By what measure would you successfully say something truly exists, I ask myself thinking we are here having a convivial discuss serenaded by Mozart's Sonnet just as Beethoven's Sonata fades into the wind. I digress.

By gathering the evidence that points exclusively to the conclusion that it has objective manifestation.

Yes!!
Questions.
Good questions.

The planets, the ones that make up the solar system. Couldn't there have been a mind capable of such...such...such magnificence?

The fact that there's you're here on this forum.
Wait...you'll say it's as a result of your parents knowing themselves, yes, you're right, the ovum, testosterone and Bio-chemical activities therein. Say, down to the microscopic levels, what could have brought about the coordination of these things, what could have brought about the existence, coordination of these cells and what they do in the body?
There must be an intelligent, unseen being responsible for this, No?
Perhaps, you'll say the red and white blood cells function due to the term called "adaptation" in line with the concept of evolution. Well, what could be responsible for the materials involved in evolution in itself?
Big bang?
How did the meteors and celestial rocks come about, how is there a Sun ☀ which just works perfectly to nurture plants and aid growth in mankind. What's responsible for the intelligence of man? Your parents again?

Cells again?

Okay now we are about to go into a loop.

LordReed:


Except the only things we have seen to be capable of such imagination are minds situated in human bodies. No evidence is available to show otherwise. If there is a mind behind the universe where is it located and how can we know it?

Yes!!!
This!!
Ooohh goodness.

I would give anything to make this thread go on and on and on till people can THINK and that, very well.

Tetehjewels:


Yet the source of the MIND cannot be explained and how the unhindered imaginations of the mind came to be. Surely it is neither brain controlled or limited by that otherwise it would only dwell on practical things we know and have seen as stored up in the memory banks of the brain.

Surely since the brain cannot cage the mind whereof does it originate?

Tetehjewels:


Yet the source of the MIND cannot be explained and how the unhindered imaginations of the mind came to be. Surely it is neither brain controlled or limited by that otherwise it would only dwell on practical things we know and have seen as stored up in the memory banks of the brain.

Surely since the brain cannot cage the mind whereof does it originate?

Yes the brain is the source of mind or more succinctly the brain is the conglomeration of functions which give rise to the mind, we have evidence that this is the case. We have no evidence that minds can be present without functional brains.

BTW you didn't answer my questions, if there is a mind behind the universe where is it located and how can we know it?