johnydon22:


In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

You are spot on about your take on the issue. We think and fantasise about a lot of things that does not exist.
However, the proof of Gods existence is huge and profound. Think about the minute complexities and intricacies in nature and the intelligence and compassion animals exhibit and a rational mind will come to conclusion that these things couldn't have come by chance.

Tetehjewels:


I do not need to engage in a so called "intellectual banter" with anyone especially since I can do better by taking advantage of that person's penchant to argue and better my son through that by allowing him to think his own thoughts and state his own responses.

My Son is a chip off the old block and this means he takes after me when it comes to being smart.

It's not everyday one finds a willing human guinea pig so I may as well allow my Son utilize this opportunity.

He just got back from school by the way

From your various comments, i observed you are a very proud person. I only hope your son doesn't take after you.

Tetehjewels:


Atheism is a rejection of God
An Atheist states clearly that God does not exist

So how can there be any kind of conflict in their thoughts?

It is possible to hold a strong position, yet to entertain secret doubts. This is not unique to athiests, as even religious people may hodl such doubts.

It's called belief though.
Coming to a state of acceptance of, conviction.

That's the limited scope of science.
The evidence of the supernatural activities.
But one thing is not common in the people I mentioned, it's the supernatural events.

According to history.
Some only lived in the era of war and in great control of power, some were scholars, some worked the supernatural.

There are historical records outside anything related to these men to prove these things really happened in their lives.
Except you are refusing to accept the care, scholarly display, studious effort in the intellectual methods of record keeping in history which relies on corroborative evidences and many more.

LordReed:


Believe is not a word I would use. I accept that these people existed in as far as we reckon that humans exist and have been existing for some time. The events in their lives that have no supernatural connotation are also accepted since they are the everyday things we see around us. The supernatural events are rejected because no evidence can be established for their actuality.

Tetehjewels:


Atheism is a rejection of God
An Atheist states clearly that God does not exist

So how can there be any kind of conflict in their thoughts?

all gods. cooked up fables that served as the universal answer to everything for fibble minded people.

jesusjnr2020:
No surprises that the more intelligent and wiser child believes in God.

This agrees with the general pattern in history, where those who believe in God have been observed to be exceedingly more intelligent than their ungodly peers including athiests.

Daniel 1:19-20 (KJV)

And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they before the king.
And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.

This is also reflected in modern science where Isaac Newton, generally considered to be the greatest scientist in history was proudly a believer in God.

The idea by atheists that are more intelligent than those who believe in God is merely a figment of their imaginations, as history has clearly proven this to be baseless and false.

Your neighbor's son is surely in very good company. It's only a matter of time before your son makes him see how foolish it was to deny the existence of God as Isaac Newton did to those of his day.

God bless.

Ramblings of a nut job religious sheep..

The Bible and intelligence should never be mentioned in the same breath..

Talking snakes and flying horses..

There's nothing like a 7 year old atheist
A 7 year old is a mirror, reflecting the nearest opinions around him

Havertz10:
all gods, cooked up fables that served as the universal answer to everything for fibble minded people.

Yet someone said Atheists do not consider Christians as inferiors.

Cc Bluezy13

lexy2014:


Can u fathom the universe? Can your mind accommodate the vastness of d universe?

If the universe is explained in concepts a human being can understand then yes. The vastness is a different thing that is a quality humans may always struggle with because of how limited our cognitive capacities are. Maybe if we develop that ability to link our brains with computers we will be able to comprehend that vastness.

Tetehjewels:


This is why I love him to death. It's because he has emotions and feelings and always aligns them with his reasoning practically all the time. He can be very opinionated yes but never condescending. He loves the challenge of a good debate so you are wrong with your assessment.

We are all storehouses of feelings and emotions, what is problematic is allowing them to override reason. If your son had been arguing with a Muslim boy who told him his belief in Allah was based on feelings just like your son's, how on earth could he disprove that without reason?

FlipModeSquade:
Ramblings of nut job religious sheep..

The Bible and intelligence should never be mentioned in the same breath..

Talking snakes and flying horses..

Atheists do not consider Christians as inferior

Cc Bluezy13

jesusjnr2020:
No surprises that the more intelligent and wiser child believes in God.

This agrees with the general pattern in history, where those who believe in God have been observed to be exceedingly more intelligent than their ungodly peers including athiests.

Daniel 1:19-20 (KJV)

And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they before the king.
And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.

This is also reflected in modern science where Isaac Newton, generally considered to be the greatest scientist in history was proudly a believer in God.

The idea by atheists that are more intelligent than those who believe in God is merely a figment of their imaginations, as history has clearly proven this to be baseless and false.

Your neighbor's son is surely in very good company. It's only a matter of time before your son makes him see how foolish it was to deny the existence of God as Isaac Newton did to those of his day.

God bless.

But Albert Einstein never believed in God na

You're rushing to claim newton lol
Leave newton for his fellow scientist. Newton don't believe in the Trinity

OtemAtum:
If you will convince the atheists, then there must be just one generally-accepted God, but as it is right now, there is none. And what do you mean by saying 'atheists look down?'

Smart people mainly agree that there is an intelligent mind/ creator/ God behind all we have. But their description of him or the attributes ascribe to him are different. However, logic and even real unbiased science should lead anyone to a conclusion that there is no reaction (reality as it is) without a cause

FlipModeSquade:
Ramblings of nut job religious sheep..

The Bible and intelligence should never be mentioned in the same breath..

Talking snakes and flying horses. .

that's nothing compared to the creatures described in revelation, those ones will give any machination of aliens humans have today a run for their money

ReacherSaidNoth:
We are all storehouses of feelings and emotions, what is problematic is allowing them to override reason. If your son had been arguing with a Muslim boy who told him his belief in Allah was based on feelings just like your son's, how on earth could he disprove that without reason?

Until then

In my view, the other kid is smarter

Bluezy13:

In a quick attempt to render invectives you ended up accusing me of writing "Atheism is belief in unbelief"; whereas I actually wrote "Atheism is a belief in unbelieve".
Your inability to decifer the difference between "belief" and "believe" subjected you to the "amazing confusion" as you rightly put it.
Perhaps you should consult your 8 years old son..., Don't you think

Hat down for you man...RESPECT!!!

Please send me the books you read.

The major concern is why should God reveal himself by man's predicted methods and definite ways. Why should it be within the confines of common sense since not all things that exist align with a common sense explanation and theme. By common sense I mean, according to a predefined set of rules for being.

LordReed:


An objective existing thing cannot be personalised without error. I am wearing brown shoes, anybody who sees me recognises I am wearing brown shoes. If someone comes and says I am wearing black shoes we realise something is going on with that person because he is attempting to personalise something objective. If a god exists and is revealing himself to individuals then either something is wrong with that method or with the individuals since they cannot agree on what they are experiencing.

Tetehjewels:


Same way one can be experiencing morning in Africa while it's night time in China right? We can be seeing the same sky but different PERSONAL experiences.

It is our objective beliefs still isn't it?

But we are not looking at the same sky. You are looking at the sky over New York while I am looking at the sky over Abuja, we aren't looking at the same sky. If we are both in New York in the daytime and you say it's day while I say it is night because of my personal experience then I am wrong, my personal experience notwithstanding. Of there is an objective god then you cannot all be having different opinions of his attributes or being.

None of my business. See how he kept screaming "My son" like he's won a jackpot.

Tetehjewels:


Atheists do not consider Christians as inferior

Cc Bluezy13

Yeah?

As if you didn't see where he lauded your genius son for his superior intelligence?

Simply because he believes in some sky daddy?

Tetehjewels:


I honestly do not care about anything you just said above. "Atheism is a belief in unbelief" amazing confusion.

Anyway what I said was Atheism is an unbelief period but if to you it is a belief in unbelief then good luck with your brand of coffee

E shock you?

Arguing with atheists can be very tiring?

Tetehjewels:



So how do you constantly talk or think about Something or Someone that doesn't exist?

OtemAtum:
Hmm. The BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY already predicted a time like this when at very tender age our kids will be arguing God-related matters. I'm happy seeing this already. The concepts of God which are available right now are the ones atheists and irreligious people see and antagonize. For instance, how will you say that God is Jehovah or Allah? Their personalities and frivolities are enough for a 5 year old kid of this generation to detect that they can't fit as God with their myopic explanation of creations, reality and the universe.

Maybe when the world finally comes to understand that THE TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE is God Almighty, then we might not be having atheists in the world again, since all atheists are aware that there is EXISTENCE and so there will be TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE(God Almighty). But for you to say that God Almighty is one of the gods in one religion or the other, then atheists will surely antagonize you.

So I think the reason why atheists keep talking about that your god is because you keep telling them that he or she is their God.

Why do you think about movies where the characters aren't real people?

Atheists have to talk about religion because in places like Nigeria, people use these delusions to influence public policy.

Sometimes they even kill others for expressing their unbelief.

Until not believing in religion is no longer a crime, atheists will continue to talk about it.

LordReed:


But we are not looking at the same sky. You are looking at the sky over New York while I am looking at the sky over Abuja, we aren't looking at the same sky. If we are both in New York in the daytime and you say it's day while I say it is night because of my personal experience then I am wrong, my personal experience notwithstanding. Of there is an objective god then you cannot all be having different opinions of his attributes or being.

Exactly ! We cannot be looking at the same sky in the scope of Omniscience.

Do you get it now? How can you narrow down God enough to fit him into your empirical experiment when you have not even been able to handle yourself?

FlipModeSquade:
Yeah?

As if you didn't see where he lauded your genius son for his intelligence?

Simply because he believes in some sky daddy?

all weather father Christmas

Tetehjewels:


I don't know what you are on about. Atheists are generally against the existence of any God or spiritual essence so it's got nothing to do with my God.

Their anti-belief has birthed in them the desire to always look down rather than looking "up"

I love the last statement

Is it everything you know that you properly investigated to be true?
E.g: How Nigeria gained her independence, how there was a first and second world War, how you had a great grand grand father or mother, how you have substances called hormones in you.

Do you truly understand the topics therein or you have just come to believe it is true because of some conviction?

Of course you might later get to understand them yourself but that's the aim of communication, both kids were convinced.

Such can be the case of two grown adults too. Don't look down on kids' ability to understand.

safarigirl:
LOL

I'm just concerned that you people have so heavily indoctrinated kids that you are coming here to brag about them arguing over something they barely have their own ideas of.


Basically, both your son and the atheist Greek boy are parroting whatever narratives they have been fed by their parents, not even things they have studied and have a proper understanding of.

They are kids, their ideas are not even theirs.

This thread is just weird

Bluezy13:


You committed a fallacy of hasty generalization and also have wrong notion about atheism.
Atheism is not a movement. Atheism is a belief in unbelieve.
Atheism is diversified. It is erroneous to narrowly limit it to the state of being "against" God's existence.

You like pizza, I don't like pizza.
That doesn't mean I am "against" you eating pizza. Notwithstanding, I may also be against you eating pizza. So don't fallaciously generalize the impression that I am against you eating pizza.
Conclusively, atheism is of various categories.

Smart one���

StJohnofChrist:
The major concern is why should God reveal himself by man's predicted methods and definite ways. Why should it be within the confines of common sense since not all things that exist align with a common sense explanation and theme. By common sense I mean, according to a predefined set of rules for being.

Because that is how we know things that exist. Everything that we know for certain exists follows these rules.

The problem with debate is that it doesn't tell you who's right or wrong. It only accepts the views of the person who gives a more concrete evidence which is judged and voted by a judge or masses which may be bias or ridden with prejudice.

Perhaps you just didn't understand the material you read quite well. Don't you see a possibility in that?

Sapiosexuality:
Religion is useful but a critical and philosophical look at the characters that make them up betray them.

I still don't understand how a loving father will throw you into hell fire to burn forever and ever for a crime (if it's even worthy to be called such) we committed in a very small span.



Whether God exists or not is not really my problem. My problem is with the morality of God. Is this God good? Is she/he worthy to be God? Is /she/he upright?

safarigirl:
LOL

I'm just concerned that you people have so heavily indoctrinated kids that you are coming here to brag about them arguing over something they barely have their own ideas of.


Basically, both your son and the atheist Greek boy are parroting whatever narratives they have been fed by their parents, not even things they have studied and have a proper understanding of.

They are kids, their ideas are not even theirs.

This thread is just weird

To me the father is ignorant.

I don't know why this is on front page