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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:01am On Dec 19, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Just like Jose Camacho is Peruvian name though it means nothing in Inca language, or a Suleiman Abdulkareem in Kwara having no meaning in Yoruba language. As long as it's recognised culturally, no problem. Pepple for example is Perekule, the European traders couldn't pronounce it and shortened it to Pepple. Jumbo is Jubo, JaJa is Jubo Jumofem, same reason, ease of trade. JaJas descendants now are bearing surname JaJa, first name English name, so you will be seeing Stanley JaJa, William Pepple, Emmanuel Jumbo etc 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 7:14am On Dec 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:Reno said only Africans take pride in speaking foreign languages, whereas they can’t speak their native language. I brought it here because some handle take pride in correcting my English and even go as far as mocking me which is comical when you are not British . I have a British friend who is a teacher, no time he has ever mocked me because of English because he understand i am not British, he even have interest in pigin because he has nigerians as brethren in jehovah witness who communicate with pigin sometimes unto naija things. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 7:25am On Dec 19, 2021 |
donjazet:Nobody is saying English should be hated, you are the one undermining African culture and language because we are not creative yet. When Africans will start being productive and exporting their product with written Yoruba just like the Chinese you will then realize how comical your suggestion is. Wizkid started essence with Yoruba intonation did it stop the music from going far. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 7:31am On Dec 19, 2021 |
donjazet:Ive answered you before; language and culture is self value induced. Be proud and real with yourself and people will value you more. It is an identity, the day you lose your identity you become a wonderland in thought. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 7:34am On Dec 19, 2021 |
pamcode:It's a trap, ibime have been complaining about jourginho everytime He's going to kill neves if that one play for Chelsea because he's a bigger escort. As for Paul Merson, never take that man's word seriously E get reason arsenal or his ex teammates don't associate with him |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaXmetahuman: 7:44am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Havertz10: 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 7:51am On Dec 19, 2021 |
donjazet:You're not being realistic and pragmatic with your takes on this issue. Obviously, English will become the universal language in this utopian world you're touting? As intelligent species who have insatiable desires, the human race can never have one (universal) language, one religion, a unified economic system, etc. This is basic sociology. For the singular reason that our wants and desires, abilities and talents, worldviews and predujices are diverse, humans can never a single language, religion, economic system, political system. That feat has never been achieved in human history, and I don't think it will ever be achieved. Even if in the future, a one-world government emerges, humanity will still never be able to have a single universal language, economic system, religion. All these are unnatural. How does it make sense saying our native languages should die out to enable the world have a universal language? This kind of thinking is simply due to mental slavery. You might as well clamor for a return of the British colonial rule. Once the language of a people is dead, their culture will also die naturally since language is one of the key elements in any culture. Diversity is what makes the world beautiful; even nature is wonderfully diverse and encourages diversity. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 8:07am On Dec 19, 2021 |
hensben: Africans take pride in speaking language like English , French because those are the languages Africans were taught in schools from formative years up to the university level. Most European countries are taught in their own local language and then a foreign language is added as optional( like we have French in some schools in Africa) . Africans are not as privileged as their European counterparts who weren’t really forced to learn and adopt a foreign language like English as lingua Franca . Someone like Wole Soyinka takes pride speaking English language because that’s the language of instruction in Nigeria where he had most of his education. If the prof had been spanish born and bred in Spain he would probably have maintained that same pride writing books in Spanish language , getting international recognition doing it too. This is where I have issue with Reno’s point . He added people like Wole Soyinka who takes pride in speaking and writing English ( a foreign language ) , to a list of those who achieved great things with native names and then in the next paragraph he’s criticizing other Africans who do exactly same just because they bear white man’s name. I no just understand his point with those two contradicting paragraph. Like I said earlier , I don’t think it makes much sense mocking u that didn’t grow to speak and learn English as first or second language like most people here. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 8:08am On Dec 19, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Huuuu, thank you, I'm blushing. knowing I was right, in the face of adversity is overwhelming. I'm really very happy about yesterday's events. It highlights what can happen when fools group think. It showed the level of sheepish thinking on this thread people have talked about for a while. Here I was spitting facts but because it touched people's tribal sensibilities,they just couldn't think straight. I was waiting to hear a logical argument and all I was seeing was empty chest beating over and over again. It is usually said, nothing is as powerful as a group of fools. If you enter an argument with them, they would bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. It's good that people I highly regard as intellectuals on this thread didn't fall for this. Yourself, Ibime, nateevs, afrodoc and some others. As for nihilist,it seems he has now made it his life mission to always take a position opposite from mine. Any argument I'm having on this forum, he must be liking and sharing my opponents rebuttal or insults. I mean, Its why I've said I suspect his motives when picking an argument with me. Nobody could answer what African traditions were, simply because there is nothing like that. The question was a trick question, because there is nothing like African traditions. It's not a monolith. When people want to make that argument against anything foreign, they want to make it seem like many Africans have Soo many shared values when in reality, we don't. Well, winning does feel great. See how myself and havertz10 were made to look like fools, when in essence, the group were the fools. Mocking and laughing at their own foolishness. 10 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaXmetahuman: 8:19am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Donjazet Speaking one language won't necessarily unite us or make us understand each other better. There are way too many things that divide us, and I don't think language is the main culprit. But it will solve a lot of problems. Imagine if Seun didn't enforce English in one of his rules and everyone here communicates in their local language. Raumde.ter and airm.ark blasting each other in ogbomosho dialect and ibi.me saying I no go gree in Ijaw. It will just lead to cliques and chaos. But I believe Communication problem can simply be solved with human intelligence (AI / Technology). Afterall, language is a human construct like you said. There is no reason for anyone to lose his/her language over it. We should be more worried over other archaic things like religion that divides us. And they are not going away any time soon. We have google translator today ( which is getting better everyday). soon enough, it will be so great, that all you will need is a device to wear around your neck to communicate with anyone in the world and they will understand you without problem. Like in the star wars or star trek. 10 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 8:21am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Roland17: Jesus Christ, this man just went to post Wikipedia page on African cultures. Roland I'm truly disappointed that you can't see the picture as a whole. African culture doesn't exist because we aren't a monolith. We don't have one culture, we have a multitude. And the truth is that, our culture is already as dead as can be. If you are a Christian or moslem, know that you are spitting on your culture, many of us and most likely our children won't get to officially learn our native languages in school. As I speak to you. Only the 3 major languages in Nigeria are taught in schools. What of minority tribes like ijaw, ogoni, urobo, anan, eket, Ibibio and many other smaller tribes. The local languages are already dying everyday. Children of all these aforementioned tribes are learning and utilizing English. Let me go further into detail as to how my own Igbo culture is already dead. Growing up in my grandfather's days, their greatest festive days, were the ofala day, the new yam festival to mark the beginning of a farming season and the coronation of a king. Our great grand father's worshipped and revered their gods. Amadioha, oshimiri, ijele, Ani and chukwu. Only the last god was coopted by the religion to enable an easier conversion process. Forget all these "traditional attires" you see today as our culture. My great grand father's people went mostly butt naked. They knew absolutely nothing of silk, cotton, wool etc that are being used as traditional dresses today which ironically was introduced to them by their colonizers and trade partners. They mostly went butt naked, with the women's breast enjoying fresh air every single day. Those nipples standing firm for all to see, waiting to be suckled. Occasionally covering their private parts with the skin of animals they've hunted in the bush. The only thing that still shapes the Igbo cultural identity today is just the language and some cuisine. Even at that, those too are dying. Many igbos eat mostly cooked rice and enjoy beans as part of their daily meals. These were foreign to us. Nobody in igboland grew rice or beans. I could go on and on, as to how our cultures are on their last breath but I would stop here. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 8:22am On Dec 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:As regards the highlighted: No, that's not why Africans take pride in speaking foreign languages. It's simply due to colonialism and inferiority complex the average African exhibits compared with other races, especially the whites and Arabs. It's the colonial masters that introduced and enforced these foreign languages and foreign systems of education in those languages on their colonies. Without unprecedented use of great force and violence and novel neocolonialism campaigns, the world can never be united under a single rule with a universal language, religion, political system, economic system. It's mere wishful thinking and will never happen. Even if such happens in a world of fantasy, humans will still never be united. To create a united world, you need humans to be perfect and enlightened without having traits like greed, lack of contentment, jealousy, envy, avarice. But it's impossible to eliminate these traits in humans unless it's possible to engineer a new species of humans genetically with the traits you desire to have in the inhabitants of a united world. All these are unnatural. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 8:26am On Dec 19, 2021 |
DonJ my problem with you is that sometimes you like chestbeating when you could have just ignore and move on doing so makes you look overbearing and childish even if you're right. On the issue of African (this term is used unrestrictedly) culture we have culture some aspects of it can be found in other continents( this is due to the fact that we share certain similarities due to being from the same ancestor) while others are exclusive to Africans alone. Some of these are from the culture of Africans; communalism, fables, food, clothing, language and poetry. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 8:29am On Dec 19, 2021 |
I don't know who is more dumb this guy or Havertz10 clamoring for Socialism. So when you heard African tradition you brain instantly told you the entire Africa continent shared one culture and tradition in the first place . Shekpites never disappoint 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 8:29am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Amoto94: I do love that, don't I?? That's what you get for calling me mentally enslaved when that is what word is loaded. I would like any Igbo man here to tell me when last he revered amadioha, or went to an ofala or new yam festival. Or believes in the supremacy of our kings in the village as our highest political authority. Or officially taught their children the Igbo language. Our culture is dead. Nothing to chestbeat 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 8:35am On Dec 19, 2021 |
A001: What I don’t understand here is why u chose to highlight the first 4 lines in my post when I in fact I proceeded to explain further that point in subsequent lines. Simply put what I was trying to say is the same thing u just said ; without the inferiority complex angle u tried to bring into it which I don’t agree with. ( except of course u are saying Wole has inferiority complex cos he speaks and writes big grammar) We all know Africans were not left the choice to learn, speak and write in their own native language and that is why English and French ( the language of our colonial masters ) is the most people have at their disposal to achieve the great things Reno talked about in the world scene. All these talks about neocolonialism , inferiority complex etc I no dey join mouth put. I no get strength for those things at all. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 8:38am On Dec 19, 2021 |
NinjaXmetahuman:Nigga if you like eradicate Race, religion , Tribe, Gender, Skin color, create a single continent etc Humans will never be United cause it's against their nature. It won't take long before they develop another means to divide themselves into section and factions. Only a fool thinks eradicating certian parts of people identify will unite them. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaXmetahuman: 8:42am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Trevor012:niggar. No one says world will unite. It simply means there are things that divide us and causing us problems than language right now. But I'm not responsible for what you understand. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 8:43am On Dec 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:The inferiority complex I mentioned doesn't apply to Wole Soyinka because he always promotes the indigenous Yoruba culture in his works, criticizes the foreign imported religions that stiffle the development of our local cultures and languages. And he's forced to write in English because it's the language of our colonial masters and one of the most popular languages in the world. To people like Wole Soyinka, English is an important language, but is not the best language in the world. For a Yoruba person, Yoruba language is the best language in the world. It's only inferiority complex and/or mental slavery that will make a Yoruba person feel otherwise. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by drisham(m): 8:49am On Dec 19, 2021 |
ShadowWalker00: comrade take it easy now 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 8:49am On Dec 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:No one is actually mocking him, majority find it hard to comprehend to his posts, he's the one making a big deal out of it. I even advised him to type in French we will use Google translate. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 8:52am On Dec 19, 2021 |
NinjaXmetahuman:Shekpites never disappoint . Wats your aim of trying to remove things like religion, language etc that causes division according to you if not to unite the world? This nigga is confused or just hates religion 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaXmetahuman: 8:53am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Trevor012:K Like I said, I'm not responsible for what your tiny troll brain can comprehend. 13 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 8:54am On Dec 19, 2021 |
NinjaXmetahuman:Better |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Almajirihunter(m): 8:57am On Dec 19, 2021 |
For every lengthy argument you see here, Hensben seems to always be the root 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 9:01am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Trevor012:after the nonsense you said about Venezuela, why would i waste my time on you, i'm dumb for wanting the world to be better for all 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 9:06am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Havertz10:Let me remind you of all the nonsense you typed yesterday . 1) Saying Nordic countries practice socialism. That's when I know you are dumb. 2) Clamoring for socialism when all the countries that have practiced it all failed. That's the height of stupidity 3) Saying Utopia is possible. That only exists in the mind of a fool. 4) Everything you said yesterday was actually trash. That's me putting it mildly 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 9:09am On Dec 19, 2021 |
A001: My good friend. I know you're big on this African culture stuff. Your hatred for the religious encroachment of Islam and Christianity into Africa extends to your disdain of our own acculturation of the white man and his ideals. But you need to let go of the past and look into the future. What is really the need for us to espouse our tribes?? Really look into that question. Let me assume that you're yoruba. I'm Igbo. What is the practical use of your language over mine?? Is it not this English language that is connecting both of us?? Does you being Yoruba add any special value over me being igbo.? All these affiliations are purely sentimental. No need to brood over it. There is truly nothing wrong with our cultures dying. They have no practical use. Me being an Igbo man living, having a cultural identity as an Igbo man when I live in Maryland Lagos is useless. I am Igbo in all but name. You may think that espousing the English language means espousing the white man but that's not true. The British that taught us the language don't even have an autonomy over the language again. The English language has become the default language of the world. That's why it has even had variations of it. IE, American English, Australian English, pidgin English, Jamaican English {rastafarian} . Etc. There is no use fighting change, we just have to succumb to it. The language is the ultimate unifier. We are communicating in English because it is practical to do so. If I called onye nsokwu. You won't understand me. If you spoke Yoruba, I won't understand you. Our unifier is the English language. I'm not saying we adopt the English CULTURE, even though most of us criticizing me here do it gleefully {white wedding}. I'm just saying we embrace the language. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 9:11am On Dec 19, 2021 |
Havertz10: I did admire your hot takes yesterday. Please, for the love of God, apply the same sense of logic when discussing mount and havertz. Truce? 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A001: 9:13am On Dec 19, 2021 |
donjazet:Can you remind me again why you criticize Christianity and Islam because here you're stating the local cultures and languages are dead (even though they're not) and clamoring for English to become the universal language? You might as well start clamoring for Christianity to become the universal religion since most Igbos don't revere Amadioha or Chukwu, who they call Yahweh or Allah ignorantly. These posts reek of utter confusion. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 9:14am On Dec 19, 2021 |
iamoyindamola: I don’t really know much of ur personal history with him on here , but I’ve actually seen posts on this thread making mockery of how he writes . In all honesty when I read some of his posts for a second I will be lost , but then I usually end up making sense of what he says . Yesterday when he confirmed he speaks French more than he speaks/writes English it was all clear to me . I think he finds the fact that u tell him to write in French offensive ; more like u trying to mock him.(maybe that’s not ur intention but I think that’s how he sees it ) 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Trevor012(m): 9:14am On Dec 19, 2021 |
A001:Shekpites never disappoint |
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