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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by smallsmall: 5:32pm On Dec 25, 2021
islamics:
Hello,
Didn't know about this thread. Was searching for some stuff and it came up. I just setup my own with a 200a battery and a 1.2k inverter. Though I am yet to get panel as I intend to be using nepa for the main time.
My load is TV, decoder, laptop and 28w for bulbs. No fan yet, hope to add DC fan and fridge soonest In Sha Allahu.
My question is that my TV does not power/boot completely with the inverter stuff but work well with NEPA. Is there any suggestion to solve it?

Earlier this year, my TV capacitor got burnt from power surge before I put stabilizer in the house. I haven't replace it as I intend to use company warranty stuff for the repair and the procedure/period of repair might be long.

Could be that the Inverter is not a pure sine wave Inverter and your TV is just refusing to work with the Power coming from that Inverter.
Such non-PSW Inverters at times do burn the coil of fans and other household electronics like Phone Chargers, etc.

If you can have access to another PSW Inverter, l would have wish you can try the same TV on it and see if it works, so as to rule-in/rule-out the frequency problem

Could be, means l am not ruling out other reasons that might not be very obvious right now.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dishtech(m): 5:58pm On Dec 25, 2021
islamics:
Hello,
Didn't know about this thread. Was searching for some stuff and it came up. I just setup my own with a 200a battery and a 1.2k inverter. Though I am yet to get panel as I intend to be using nepa for the main time.
My load is TV, decoder, laptop and 28w for bulbs. No fan yet, hope to add DC fan and fridge soonest In Sha Allahu.
My question is that my TV does not power/boot completely with the inverter stuff but work well with NEPA. Is there any suggestion to solve it?

Earlier this year, my TV capacitor got burnt from power surge before I put stabilizer in the house. I haven't replace it as I intend to use company warranty stuff for the repair and the procedure/period of repair might be long.

Plug AC fan on the inverter without NEPA if you hear humming sound know that it square wave and your tv may be rejecting it. Someone TVs or electronic are sensitive to square wave.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Michaelondon53: 7:02pm On Dec 25, 2021
Dishtech:


1. How many panels do you have?
2. Depending on your panel position by 5pm you may not be getting much current to charge them and if pwm charge controller.
3. Charge well without using it or with NEPA to see whether they will be difference
4. Check the battery individually whether one of the two is bad. That is why you would have used a single 12v/200AH to avoid balancing or wrong connections.

Thanks for the prompt reply.

First of all,
1. I have 2 mono panels rated 180watts each I.e 360watts in total
2. I use a pen charge controller
3. 3. Even though o charge well without using it, the maximum it takes me while using a 70watts Tv, two 5watts bulbs, and one 12 watts bulb on at intervals is 6hours before the charge controller reads 11.4V from 12.9V
4. Just bought the two batteries newly, altimate AGM Battery Deep cycle Lead Acid battery
5. I haven’t used it up to 7 times. Just connected it
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Michaelondon53: 7:07pm On Dec 25, 2021
Michaelondon53:


Thanks for the prompt reply.

First of all,
1. I have 2 mono panels rated 180watts each I.e 360watts in total
2. I use a pen charge controller
3. 3. Even though o charge well without using it, the maximum it takes me while using a 70watts Tv, two 5watts bulbs, and one 12 watts bulb on at intervals is 6hours before the charge controller reads 11.4V from 12.9V
4. Just bought the two batteries newly, altimate AGM Battery Deep cycle Lead Acid battery
5. I haven’t used it up to 7 times. Just connected it

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by odimbannamdi(m): 7:24pm On Dec 25, 2021
islamics:
Hello,
Didn't know about this thread. Was searching for some stuff and it came up. I just setup my own with a 200a battery and a 1.2k inverter. Though I am yet to get panel as I intend to be using nepa for the main time.
My load is TV, decoder, laptop and 28w for bulbs. No fan yet, hope to add DC fan and fridge soonest In Sha Allahu.
My question is that my TV does not power/boot completely with the inverter stuff but work well with NEPA. Is there any suggestion to solve it?

Earlier this year, my TV capacitor got burnt from power surge before I put stabilizer in the house. I haven't replace it as I intend to use company warranty stuff for the repair and the procedure/period of repair might be long.

There is a high chance that your inverter is a modified sinewave inverter. Check whether your fans make a humming sound when in use on the inverter. Modified sinewave inverters could damage your electronics. Get a puresine wave inverter instead.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by odimbannamdi(m): 7:39pm On Dec 25, 2021
Michaelondon53:


Thanks for the prompt reply.

First of all,
1. I have 2 mono panels rated 180watts each I.e 360watts in total
2. I use a pen charge controller
3. 3. Even though o charge well without using it, the maximum it takes me while using a 70watts Tv, two 5watts bulbs, and one 12 watts bulb on at intervals is 6hours before the charge controller reads 11.4V from 12.9V
4. Just bought the two batteries newly, altimate AGM Battery Deep cycle Lead Acid battery
5. I haven’t used it up to 7 times. Just connected it

Charge each battery to full capacity individually, then test each one at a time using ONLY a 100w yellow bulb connected through your inverter and let's see how long it will last. Preferably, get this type of standalone small digital voltmeter (costs around 1500 at Arena), connect to a battery at a time, during the test to help you see how the battery voltage drops. Independent voltmeter tend to produce an unbiased result.

Also, what kind of inverter do you use? Can you snap it and send to us? If it is a transformer-based inverter (those bulky type that typically has a charging function), there is a high chance that the inverter is also consuming energy while inverting. This could be as high 20/30w, which isn't ideal given the size of your setup.

Meanwhile, please desist from discharging your batteries down to 11.4v. You will kill the batteries before you know it, and considering that they don't look like durable brands. The minimum you should recommendably do is 12.0 (which corresponds to 50% Depth of Discharge [DoD])

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by odimbannamdi(m): 7:47pm On Dec 25, 2021
1000W EASun Transformerless Inverter (no charging function). Ideal for users on a budget and for keeps as rainy-day backup. Actual/Continuous power is 500w. Peak power is 1000w. Last attachment shows a test i did with the device powering a 200w yellow bulb. It powered it without breaking a sweat. Fan just made minimal noice.
Idle power consumption: 1watts

Price: 27,000

CC: Islamics. Michaelondon53, the second pic is the kind of test you should run on each battery. But use just a 100w bulb since your battery is only 100ah each.

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by islamics(m): 7:53pm On Dec 25, 2021
odimbannamdi:


There is a high chance that your inverter is a modified sinewave inverter. Check whether your fans make a humming sound when in use on the inverter. Modified sinewave inverters could damage your electronics. Get a puresine wave inverter instead.
Yeah it is a modified sinewave inverter and it make the usual humming sound when in use. Mehn. Heard that puresine wave inverter is expensive now. cry cry

Dishtech:

Plug AC fan on the inverter without NEPA if you hear humming sound know that it square wave and your tv may be rejecting it. Someone TVs or electronic are sensitive to square wave.
Would try it and see.

smallsmall:


Could be that the Inverter is not a pure sine wave Inverter and your TV is just refusing to work with the Power coming from that Inverter.
Such non-PSW Inverters at times do burn the coil of fans and other household electronics like Phone Chargers, etc.

If you can have access to another PSW Inverter, l would have wish you can try the same TV on it and see if it works, so as to rule-in/rule-out the frequency problem

Could be, means l am not ruling out other reasons that might not be very obvious right now.
Yeah inverter is not PSW. Though the TV was working initially, it just stopped recently.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Michaelondon53: 7:59pm On Dec 25, 2021
earthrealm:


I suspect your batteries may be half dead already, are the brand new?..brand new?. top tier battery?.
has the performance always been like this?

if you have a digital voltmeter....connect a 400w to 600w on the inverter for like 2mins..and quickly use the voltmeter to read the voltage of the batteries. do this after the batteries are charged full.............

Half dead? I just bought them new!

Do you mean I should connect load between 400watts to 600watts for 2mins on my inverter?

Also how do I know the battery are fully charged.

At 7am when the sun rises.. the battery voltage starts increasing from 12v when it gets to around 1pm or 2pm the voltage on the charge controller increases to about 14.3 or 14.2. When it gets to 4:30pm -5 pm voltage on the charge controller decreases amd when it s 7pm when there is no sun the voltage is around 13.1v, 13.0v or 12.9v.

As soon as I on the inverter the battery voltage on the charge controller starts decreasing... with loads of 70watts tv, theee 5watts bulbs and one 12 watts bulb and when it gets to around 12:50am voltage drops to around 11.5V, or 11.4V
Question
1. Please is that normal☝️☝️Considering the time range?

2. What is the actual voltage for 50% DOD for a 12V deep cycle lead acid battery?

3. Is the voltage for a fully charge 12v deep cycle lead acid battery 12.9V?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by islamics(m): 8:10pm On Dec 25, 2021
smallsmall:


If you can have access to another PSW Inverter, l would have wish you can try the same TV on it and see if it works, so as to rule-in/rule-out the frequency problem
I just tried the TV using the inverter below and it worked.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Michaelondon53: 8:37pm On Dec 25, 2021
odimbannamdi:
1000W EASun Transformerless Inverter (no charging function). Ideal for users on a budget and for keeps as rainy-day backup. Actual/Continuous power is 500w. Peak power is 1000w. Last attachment shows a test i did with the device powering a 200w yellow bulb. It powered it without breaking a sweat. Fan just made minimal noice.

Price: 27,000


CC: Michaelondon53, the second pic is the kind of test you should run on each battery. But use just a 100w bulb since your battery is only 100ah each.

Thanks once again

I use a Huastroum pure sinewave inverter. It’s a transformer based inverter. (Check picture below���) Inverter idle load is 30watts. What do you suggest I do?
One more thing, how come was the inverter dull enough to allow me use pass 50% DOD Of the batteries. I taught inverter should just cut off power or give warning when it gets to 50 %, isn’t it?

Secondly if 12.0V is the standard voltage for any battery which has gotten to 50% DOD , then the honest truth is that the two 100ah batteries connected in parallel can’t take me past 2 hours with one Tv two 5 watts bulb and one 12watts bulb then. Cos obviously I discharge them till I get 11.5v and that’s a couple of 5 hours in those loads. That’s too poor for a 200ah battery

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by odimbannamdi(m): 8:40pm On Dec 25, 2021
islamics:

Yeah it is a modified sinewave inverter and it make the usual humming sound when in use. Mehn. Heard that puresine wave inverter is expensive now. cry cry


Would try it and see.


Yeah inverter is not PSW. Though the TV was working initially, it just stopped recently.

Well, though I know a few people that have been using an MSW for a while without issues, but it's just best to avoid it if you can.

I lost two standing fans through it when I began my inverter journey. It was actually a Bluegate UPS that I improvised as the inverter. I was just about a week into using the set up when my Binatone standing fan just reduced in fanning intensity. It kept on reducing until it wouldn't blow again. I connected the second fan, and the same thing happened after a few days. I had to dump the setup.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by odimbannamdi(m): 9:14pm On Dec 25, 2021
Michaelondon53:


Thanks once again

I use a Huastroum pure sinewave inverter. It’s a transformer based inverter. (Check picture below���) Inverter idle load is 30watts. What do you suggest I do?
One more thing, how come was the inverter dull enough to allow me use pass 50% DOD Of the batteries. I taught inverter should just cut off power or give warning when it gets to 50 %, isn’t it?

Secondly if 12.0V is the standard voltage for any battery which has gotten to 50% DOD , then the honest truth is that the two 100ah batteries connected in parallel can’t take me past 2 hours with one Tv two 5 watts bulb and one 12watts bulb then. Cos obviously I discharge them till I get 11.5v and that’s a couple of 5 hours in those loads. That’s too poor for a 200ah battery

Check the manual of the inverter to know whether it has the cutoff feature. If not, it is recommendable to have the voltmeter I spoke of so that you can monitor it manually. There should also be a device one can use to auto-cutoff at 12.0v. Folks in the house that are more informed will advise on that.

Let's don't be in a hurry to write off the batteries just yet. Thankfully, you now know the power consumption of the inverter. Now perform the test we spoke off earlier on each battery and let us know what the outcome is.

I understand how tensive you may be now... grin...but don't take it hard on yourself. All of us here paid the price for the knowledge we all have now one way or the other. In my case, I lost my full setup and it set me back by 2 years. Now, I am better informed - at least to meet my immediate power needs, but we will keep learning. So, you are paying your dues now... grin

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dollarnaira: 11:22pm On Dec 25, 2021
Modified sinewave inverter
Good for:
Most Non smart tvs
Rechargeable fans
Decoders
Bulbs

Bad for:
Sensitive electronics
Fans (normal)
Blender
Refrigerator
Florescent bulbs
Smart tvs

N.B: Confirmed after years of using souer 1000w inverter.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dollarnaira: 11:43pm On Dec 25, 2021
Michaelondon53:


Thanks once again

I use a Huastroum pure sinewave inverter. It’s a transformer based inverter. (Check picture below���) Inverter idle load is 30watts. What do you suggest I do?
One more thing, how come was the inverter dull enough to allow me use pass 50% DOD Of the batteries. I taught inverter should just cut off power or give warning when it gets to 50 %, isn’t it?

Secondly if 12.0V is the standard voltage for any battery which has gotten to 50% DOD , then the honest truth is that the two 100ah batteries connected in parallel can’t take me past 2 hours with one Tv two 5 watts bulb and one 12watts bulb then. Cos obviously I discharge them till I get 11.5v and that’s a couple of 5 hours in those loads. That’s too poor for a 200ah battery

Truth being said.
If d above yellow Alimate is your battery be rest assured it might b far less dan 100A. Lets assume it is a 100amp battery. Parallel connection give 200amp which in essence it is actually 100amp at 50% DOD. Now lets say it is not fully 100A each.Hmmmm....guess my mind bro. Lastly, b rest assure that your load is not even up to the rated Watt. Only energy meter can give ur true wattage. My tv e.g is 50w but meter reads 34w. The 50w is maximum wen all settings are at maximum e.g contrast, brightness, volume etc. Your bulbs to might be higher than that. Now , add d idle consumption of 30w to the untrue 100A ba3.

My Souer 1000w inverter (msw) takes just 1.1w while my 1600w psw uses 1w idle consumption.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ewizard1: 7:30am On Dec 26, 2021
Season Greetings to everyone.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Michaelondon53: 8:27am On Dec 26, 2021
dollarnaira:


Truth being said.
If d above yellow Alimate is your battery be rest assured it might b far less dan 100A. Lets assume it is a 100amp battery. Parallel connection give 200amp which in essence it is actually 100amp at 50% DOD. Now lets say it is not fully 100A each.Hmmmm....guess my mind bro. Lastly, b rest assure that your load is not even up to the rated Watt. Only energy meter can give ur true wattage. My tv e.g is 50w but meter reads 34w. The 50w is maximum wen all settings are at maximum e.g contrast, brightness, volume etc. Your bulbs to might be higher than that. Now , add d idle consumption of 30w to the untrue 100A ba3.

My Souer 1000w inverter (msw) takes just 1.1w while my 1600w psw uses 1w idle consumption.

Good morning, Happy Boxing Day to our solar family!
The Souter 1000w inverter (msw) and 1600w pure sinewave are they transformer based inverter!

One more question! Can one combine both old fairly used batteries with new ones and parallel them together?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dollarnaira: 9:43am On Dec 26, 2021
Michaelondon53:


Good morning, Happy Boxing Day to our solar family!
The Souter 1000w inverter (msw) and 1600w pure sinewave are they transformer based inverter!

One more question! Can one combine both old fairly used batteries with new ones and parallel them together?
Transformerless.
No no no.
The new one will join his ancestors too as fast as possible. grin

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Michaelondon53: 10:19am On Dec 26, 2021
dollarnaira:

Transformerless.
No no no.
The new one will join his ancestors too as fast as possible. grin
Can you share more light on why you said that?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Valto(m): 10:39am On Dec 26, 2021
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compatible with lithium battery. can power any fridge or freezer comfortably. it is fitted with torodial transformer with incredible low energy consumption. price 80k.
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dollarnaira: 12:16pm On Dec 26, 2021
Michaelondon53:

Can you share more light on why you said that?
D dead one will pull current from the new one thereby overworking it.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bbally: 1:41pm On Dec 26, 2021
dollarnaira:
Transformerless. No no no. The new one will join his ancestors too as fast as possible. grin
please sir, can I get a picture of the psw inverter with 1w idle consumption?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dollarnaira: 2:00pm On Dec 26, 2021
bbally:


please sir, can I get a picture of the psw inverter with 1w idle consumption?
Similar to Easun from AE

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JustCryptos: 3:41pm On Dec 26, 2021
Guys, please does anyone have lithium batteries for sale, either 100ah or 200ah.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by AndroBlaze: 3:42pm On Dec 26, 2021
Michaelondon53:


Thanks once again

I use a Huastroum pure sinewave inverter. It’s a transformer based inverter. (Check picture below���) Inverter idle load is 30watts. What do you suggest I do?
One more thing, how come was the inverter dull enough to allow me use pass 50% DOD Of the batteries. I taught inverter should just cut off power or give warning when it gets to 50 %, isn’t it?

Secondly if 12.0V is the standard voltage for any battery which has gotten to 50% DOD , then the honest truth is that the two 100ah batteries connected in parallel can’t take me past 2 hours with one Tv two 5 watts bulb and one 12watts bulb then. Cos obviously I discharge them till I get 11.5v and that’s a couple of 5 hours in those loads. That’s too poor for a 200ah battery

Like someone said above, the battery brand you bought is very suspect and more likely where your problem is coming from.

Do the load tests people have advised you to do with the bulbs and other heavy loads. Also with your setup, you shouldn't really be discharging more than 8-10 amps (96- 120 watts) an hour when not charging as that is the poverty attached to lead acid batteries (c20 rule for 200AH, thats if the battery is even rated up to C20!).

Anyone buying batteries should always have at least an independent multimeter (1k5) to be able to check voltage for yourself especially when brand new. So if you follow the above and pull 50 amps in 5hours and your setup reads less than 12v, then your battery capacity has been misrepresented. Though it would probably be best for you to separate the batteries and test individually; thus pulling 25AH in 5 hours from each battery.

To be honest, I think you should return the battery if you can still get your money back. Go for tried and trusted brands people have used on this forum.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JustCryptos: 3:42pm On Dec 26, 2021
Also, is it okay to add higher sized panels (250 or 350 watts) to my existing array of 6 * 200 watts?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 3:58pm On Dec 26, 2021
dollarnaira:



My Souer 1000w inverter (msw) takes just 1.1w while my 1600w psw uses 1w idle consumption.

Stop misleading people, we are interested in No Load consumption and efficiency.. Not Idle Consumption..
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dollarnaira: 4:08pm On Dec 26, 2021
Dam5reey:


Stop misleading people, we are interested in No Load consumption and efficiency.. Not Idle Consumption..
What are u saying?
Which one is mislead ppu.
Can u differentiate btw idle and no load consumption? Because I no really understand u.By the way how do u test "No load consumption"?

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Dam5reey:
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 4:17pm On Dec 26, 2021
dollarnaira:

What are u saying?
Which one is mislead ppu.
Can u differentiate btw idle and no load consumption? Because I no really understand u.By the way how do u test "No load consumption"?

Idle Consumption is what the inverter consume when Switched off..

No load consumption is what inverter consume when Powered on and nothing is connected..

Efficiency is how much power does the inverter need to power of 100w load..
the ratio of Load (output)power to Input power
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by odimbannamdi(m): 4:26pm On Dec 26, 2021
Dam5reey:


Idle Consumption is what the inverter consume when Switched off..

No load consumption is what inverter consume when Powered on and nothing is connected..

Efficiency is how much power does the inverter need to power of 100w load..
the ratio of Load (output)power to Input power

I am not sure I got you right.

Are you saying, when an inverter is switch off, but connected to a battery, it will still be consuming power/energy from the battery?

Please clarify us

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