Janosky:


JWs are NOT infallible.
JWs are NOT accountable to you.
Please exercise your right to WAIL till kingdom come

Luke 24:21,25 = Luke 19:11.
The popular teaching and belief of Jews even till tomorrow.

Prophet Nathan & Samuel made false predictions, was Jehovah still with them?
Go remove them from your Bible nau.
Mumu WAILER

The same people whom Jesus called "Senseless", made false predictions & are without perfect knowledge ,they wrote all the books of the new testament you're hiding in your bookshelf.

All the WAILERS are just seeking for outlet to vent sifia pains, ENVY & frustrations..

MaxInDHouse:

My brother we're doing fine!
Please the highlighted is very important. Don't think all these Apostates are disfellowshiped!
Many of them are still associating with us but in their hearts they are waiting for the opportunity to support God's enemies when the great tribulations begin so as to help God's enemies in fishing us out! Matthew 24:10
So they've been stumbled due to their selfish cravings but since they know that there is no other place where pure worship is practiced they're laying low waiting for an opportunity to devastate the relative peace we are enjoying in God's Organization!
You would have had dealings with them in the congragation but because of your our heart you may not notice it. Can you imagine one circuit overseer asking "do you really think God's Kingdom is coming truly as they say?"
So who are "they" that's saying God's Kingdom is coming if not God's word? Or is God's Kingdom also a fabrication of the GB?
This was a circuit overseer o!
Jehovah's spirit have fished him out and now he's just attending meetings but do you think if not due to the courageous act of our sister with whom brother was discussing not knowing that sisters phone was on recording at that moment how will sister back the report against a circuit overseer for goodness sake?
During the interrogation sister said she didn't have the intention to record brother's speech but she wanted to record the usual speaking in tongues that one so called pastor in the area often use during their evening worship as an evidence that they're just spewing gibberish unknowingly to sister that Jehovah's spirit was ready to reveal another thing to her!
So please don't assume they're all disfellowshiped, many of them are still very much with us but only Jehovah knows that they're not of our sort! 1John 2:19

DappaD:


Wow. Hence the need to be selective of one’s close associates even in the congregation because we don’t read the minds of our brothers so it might not be easy to distinguish who is faithful from who isn’t.

That’s how one brother serving in Bethel was relating to me over the weekend of an experience he had when he came into the truth many years ago. One couple who were Witnesses in his neighbourhood always showed up for meetings & field service but at home these same people had this uncanny behaviour and were always saying disgusting things about Jehovah and his organization so even while they appeared to be serving Jehovah faithfully, deep down they had turned apostate.
Of course, only Jehovah is able to read the minds and hearts of our brothers to know whether their worship is hypocritical(Isaiah 29:13) or whether their worship is from the heart. 1Chronicles 28:9

My brother we know that expectation postponed makes the heart sick(Proverbs 13:12) so one who has been faithful for decades may begin to drift away from the truth when what he desired to happen in his lifetime starts to delay, that’s why we’re always encouraged to meditate on Abraham’s example of faith.

We know that the faithless ones will not cross over to God’s new world(Numbers 14:22,23) so for now we have to bear with them and continue admonishing them as our brothers(2Thessalonians 3:14,15) or if they want to disrupt the peace of the congregation, the necessary measures are dished out. Galatians 6:1, 1Corinthians 5:11-13

Janosky:


John 13:34-35 & 1 Corinthians 13:4-8,13, are these Polytheists still doing miraculous works ?

thorpido:
Love love love.Budhists also talk about love ...duh

haddeylium:
Remember I don't live here and I'm busy outside this platform too. Besides, I'm not interested in debating your personal opinion. Even though you're not my target audience, I'm answering you because you're giving the right attitude atleast



Why won't I Believe you? Of course I'll. But,
1. You must not present it as prophesy (i.e a divine revelation gotten from dream, visions, the visit of am angel...) cos' the Bible made it clear that such miraculous gift ends in the era of the apostle.(1cor 13: So, I believe God's word.

2. You must be able to present your understanding of the prophesy in the Bible, the Bible chronology and the evidence of the assertion you making.
With that, any sincere person that have deep respect for God's word will believe you after comparing what you said with the scriptures.

You can check this link about how the sincere Bible students give their surmises about "the end of the gentile times" in their study if the already stated prophesy in the Bible.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/


The definition most people are familiar with
a False prophet is a person who claims to receives specific messages from God by supernatural means (such as visions, dreams, the visit of an angel) and they do not come to pass.
Jehovah's witnesses never claimed to posses such Gift. They're not prophet in that sense or even even inspired. so, they cannot be a False prophet

Also, Jesus Himself was viewed as a “false prophet” by the majority in His day as He fit the description of a false prophet in the view of the religious leaders of His day.



I don't think I understand your loaded question here.Since, this about Jw, my answers will be in related to them

So, many people have been lied to. We've never predicted anything.

What we've had was wrong expectations of Bible prophecy.
Truly, there were some believers, splinters, who thought other times were the end. But it was NEVER the official notifications of the organization. Not ever. We always go by God's word in (Matt 24:36)

Just like Jesus apostles, when their expectations of some prophesy failed. we realise that we are imperfect and make mistakes by being over eager, and that the time for understanding the prophecy had not yet arrived.

We will all keep on the watch as Christ encouraged

Thank you for your time!

achorladey:


JWs are NOT infallible.
JWs are NOT accountable to you.
Please exercise your right to WAIL till kingdom come......Janos

All the WAILERS are just seeking for outlet to vent sifia pains, ENVY & frustrations......Janos

Let's rephrase

Other Christian denominations are not infallible
Other Christian denominations are not accountable to your religious organization.
Please (Janosky and your likes) exercise your right to wail till the kingdom comes.

All the WAILERS (Janosky and his likes on threads of other Christian denominations) are just seeking for outlet to vent sifia pains, ENVY and frustrations.


Add it as note and set alarm for am as reminder. What is good for the goose is applicable to the gander.

MaxInDHouse:
Guru Maharaj talks about LOVE
Muslims talk about LOVE
Orunmila talk about LOVE

But which Organization do people truly know as those having LOVE among them?

Jesus didn't say you people will acknowledge that we are worshipers of the true God.
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa because if you do what will you call yourselves when you're criticizing us?

So Jesus said "by the LOVE among you people all over the world will know that you are truly my followers" John 13:34-35

Which means the same group of people you will
©Call cultist Matthew 10:25
©Look down upon as insanes! John 10:20
©Hate unanimously! John 15:19; 17:14
©Come against with all sorts of criticism! Mark 9:14-16

You will all notice that they're not moved by blood relations {Matthew 10:34-39} rather they are strongly attached to members of their faith! Matthew 12:46-49

Hence you will say they LOVE themselves! John 13:34-35

So we know that you're spiritually deaf {Matthew 13:13-15} but we'll open your ears if you're willing to be healed!

Janosky:

Galatians 1:1 was Paul inspired?

1 Corinthians 13:9, was Paul's acknowledge perfect?

Was Paul himself perfect?
Was Peter infallible?

Deluded WAILERS everywhere.
Wherever them hear that unique name - Jehovah's Witnesses, their temperature & BP go rise.

paulGrundy:


ROFL

The envy part got me...
Maybe we are envying the watchtowers small population size or how insignificant they are in relation to other mainstream groups.

Envy indeed.

Emusan:


Paul claimed inspiration that is why you and your 8 men can agreed that Paul's writings are INSPIRED & infallible.



Paul didn't acknowledge TO BE PERFECT

But did Paul CLAIMED THAT HIS TEACHINGS AND WRITINGS not PERFECT after claimed to be INPSIRED?



Capital NO!

MY question: Did Paul later claim that His teachings and writings not perfect and fallible after claimed to be INSPIRED?



Laughable Janosense!
No wonder you're so restless and deluded like your 8 men in Brooklyn

paulGrundy:


Guess what It's a lie..lemme give you a proof. Your "FDS" prided themselves in predicting the end of WW2.

"In 1942 the "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up." Watchtower 1960 Jul 15 p.444

If it had been the other way round, they would have screamed false expectations, can you now see the double standards/hypocrisy??



When the watchtower claims that all contained in it's literature is from Jehovah God and then in that same literature claims that the chronology that led to it's failed, now discarded prediction is from Jehovah, what sense do you make of that?

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327


"… this chronology is not of man, but of God. … the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty. … the chronology of present truth [is]… not of human origin." Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i stick to faceless social media!

Because it helps me know that there are so many associating with us but whose hearts are far away from us!

DappaD:


Wow. Hence the need to be selective of one’s close associates even in the congregation because we don’t read the minds of our brothers so it might not be easy to distinguish who is faithful from who isn’t.

That’s how one brother serving in Bethel was relating to me over the weekend of an experience he had when he came into the truth many years ago. One couple who were Witnesses in his neighbourhood always showed up for meetings & field service but at home these same people had this uncanny behaviour and were always saying disgusting things about Jehovah and his organization so even while they appeared to be serving Jehovah faithfully, deep down they had turned apostate.
Of course, only Jehovah is able to read the minds and hearts of our brothers to know whether their worship is hypocritical(Isaiah 29:13) or whether their worship is from the heart. 1Chronicles 28:9

My brother we know that expectation postponed makes the heart sick(Proverbs 13:12) so one who has been faithful for decades may begin to drift away from the truth when what he desired to happen in his lifetime starts to delay, that’s why we’re always encouraged to meditate on Abraham’s example of faith.

We know that the faithless ones will not cross over to God’s new world(Numbers 14:22,23) so for now we have to bear with them and continue admonishing them as our brothers(2Thessalonians 3:14,15) or if they want to disrupt the peace of the congregation, the necessary measures are dished out. Galatians 6:1, 1Corinthians 5:11-13

Emusan:


Paul claimed inspiration that is why you and your 8 men can agreed that Paul's writings are INSPIRED & infallible.



Paul didn't acknowledge TO BE PERFECT

But did Paul CLAIMED THAT HIS TEACHINGS AND WRITINGS not PERFECT after claimed to be INPSIRED?



Capital NO!

MY question: Did Paul later claim that His teachings and writings not perfect and fallible after claimed to be INSPIRED?



[s]Laughable Janosense!
No wonder you're so restless and deluded like your 8 men in Brooklyn [/s]

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i stick to faceless social media!

Because it helps me know that there are so many associating with us but whose hearts are far away from us!

paulGrundy:


Guess what It's a lie..lemme give you a proof. Your "FDS" prided themselves in predicting the end of WW2.

"In 1942 the "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up." Watchtower 1960 Jul 15 p.444

If it had been the other way round, they would have screamed false expectations, can you now see the double standards/hypocrisy??



When the watchtower claims that all contained in it's literature is from Jehovah God and then in that same literature claims that the chronology that led to it's failed, now discarded prediction is from Jehovah, what sense do you make of that?

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327


"… this chronology is not of man, but of God. … the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty. … the chronology of present truth [is]… not of human origin." Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

1 Samuel 16:6, Was Eliab anointed by Jehovah?
What sense do you make of prophet Samuel's FALSE Prophecy?

2 Samuel 7:2-4, what sense do you make of prophet Nathan's failed message ?
Did Jehovah command King David: "do whatever your heart pleases"?


Luke 24:21,25, what sense do you make of the disciples failed prediction?

achorladey:


Did you have another option before?

I thought you want to JAPA after attaining the position of Ministerial servants. Wetin hold you down for here? Enjoying meetings with faceless people and studying Bible with faceless people.

Imagine you on ZOOM during your meetings with that SUSPICIOUS mind that some amongst you are HYPOCRITE . What a feeling of loving, peaceful and joyful group to associate with it.

thorpido:
Not making any sense.There are cults that show love to each other too.Stop grasping on straws.

Janosky:


1 Samuel 16:6, Was Eliab anointed by Jehovah?
What sense do you make of prophet Samuel's FALSE Prophecy?

2 Samuel 7:2-4, what sense do you make of prophet Nathan's failed message ?
Did Jehovah command King David: "do whatever your heart pleases"?


Luke 24:21,25, what sense do you make of the disciples failed prediction?


Unlike Jehovah's servants, both past and present, the real hypocrite is paulgrundy.
Only him is perfect & spotless

Janosky:


Paul,Peter, John and Jesus Christ called out many FALSE brothers in their respective time..
Deal with it.

Janosky:


1 Samuel 16:6, Was Eliab anointed by Jehovah?
What sense do you make of prophet Samuel's FALSE Prophecy?

2 Samuel 7:2-4, what sense do you make of prophet Nathan's failed message ?
Did Jehovah command King David: "do whatever your heart pleases"?


Luke 24:21,25, what sense do you make of the disciples failed prediction?


Unlike Jehovah's servants, both past and present, the real hypocrite is paulgrundy.
Only him is perfect & spotless

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 13:9, NLT: "Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete,even the gift of prophecy reveals only part

Emusan LIENUS doing what he knows best.

haddeylium:


I assume you're an adult. Please act like one. Jehovah's witnesses religion is just one of thousands of religion with contradictory teachings. So, it's not unexpectable that their teaching is different from yours.

Though what you wrote there is not related to OP but JWs are not alone in that understanding. Seventh Day Adventist are Trinitarians that believe Jesus is an Archangel. What do you have to say to them?
What is the name of your church?

paulGrundy:


I can't even understand all you wrote? What's the relationship between my comments and the Bible quotations you made?

haddeylium:
Many people claimed that JWs do not believe in the gift of prophesy as seen today and they also say that JWs are false prophets because they suppossedly have prophesied things that didn’t happen. Yea, this inconsistencies do not flow together.
Out of fairness to the honesthearted people that might be interested in answer, let's examine the facts more closely.

Are Jehovah's Witnesses prophets?

The simple answer is NO!
Never have we claimed to giving out a prophesy ‘in the name of Jehovah'. Infact many of our official journal have said the following;

"We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425)

“Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December 15, 1896, page 306)

And Our Watchtower article, however having Jehovah's holyspirit -;

does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157)

“The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.” (August 15, 1950, page 263)

“The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers.-2 Timothy 3:16 And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. Proverbs 4:18 ”​—February 15, 1981, page 19.

Closer examination shows that never once has the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization claimed to be prophets.

But? Why do people call them a Failed prophets? Do they want to make them one so they can use that adjective? Have they prophesied wrongly in the past?

Closer examination shows that never once has the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization claimed to be prophets.

But? Why do people call them a Failed prophets? Do they want to make them one so they can use that adjective? Have they prophesied wrongly in the past?

achorladey:


Thanks for the confirmation that many HYPOCRITE and those not having same line of thought ABOUNDS in the midst of the only loving, peaceful and joyful group all over the world.

Pe le ti e

Janosky:

Achorladey himself the chief example.
With the same mouth he speaks I'll of JWs,he quoted JWs publications to respond to a Nairalander's question.

haddeylium:
People in general connect the word “prophet” with predictions of the future. Though prophets in the Bible usually proclaimed predictions about the future, the Scriptural definition of a prophet is wider:
In Bible times, prophet is a person who receives specific messages . they do not do that under their own initiative.

Today the organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses act like a prophet in that we proclaim an old message, one that was written down in the pages of the Bible. We spread nothing new.

We have never made any false predictions.What we have been guilty of is misunderstanding some of the prophecies that relate to the “end times”.
Afterall, we never claimed that our researches are infallible. Contrary to many religions, we are prepared to change if we find out we were incorrect.

You can visit Jw.org for more information.
Use the keyword; Bible prophesy

My Post is for those who have deep interest in Bible and what it really teaches and It is not meant to challenge or dispute any personal belief and nor will I debate such. if your comments/questions are civil, I'll reply them'.


Have a great day

paulGrundy:


I can't even understand all you wrote? What's the relationship between my comments and the Bible quotations you made?
paulGrundy:
Guess what It's a lie..lemme give you a proof. Your "FDS" prided themselves in predicting the end of WW2.

"In 1942 the "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up." Watchtower 1960 Jul 15 p.444

If it had been the other way round, they would have screamed false expectations, can you now see the double standards/hypocrisy??

When the watchtower claims that all contained in it's literature is from Jehovah God and then in that same literature claims that the chronology that led to it's failed, now discarded prediction is from Jehovah, what sense do you make of that?

Emusan:


You're still unable to address my point. Anyways, I don't expect much from you.

Here it is again.

Paul claimed inspiration that is why you and your 8 men can agreed that Paul's writings are INSPIRED & infallible.

Paul didn't acknowledge TO BE PERFECT

But did Paul CLAIMED THAT HIS TEACHINGS AND WRITINGS not PERFECT after claimed to be INPSIRED?

Capital NO!

MY question: Did Paul later claim that His teachings and writings not perfect and fallible after claimed to be INSPIRED?

RussellRutherfo:


That Jano is a deluded.
I don't know if that is what clown was trained to do at "Bethel". He is always quoting several bibles verses that he has never read and that have no connection whatsoever with the lies he is trying to tell as an active Publisher employee of the real estate tract selling corporation.

I guess he doesn't really read these verses and only throws them out to try and distract the person.

Deluded LYING Rutherfo bigot