Alot to learn from this thread if you can just go through without a judgemental mind. Seek to learn and you'll find out alot of truth in this thread .
Honestly. God is real

ANDREW91:

The wages of sin is dead. We all have sin and come short of the glory of God. There is no human being on earth that haven't sinned. Whether u later repented or not doesn't take the fact away that u have sinned. So as a result u must be paid that wages which is death.

including infants that die few hours after they are born?

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

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Solofresh2:
You will still die one day either you repent or not

Death here doesn't mean physical death, the Bible explains that after physical death comes judgement. So the real life or death is in the after life when God will gather everyone's deeds and judge them by it, at that time all wickedness will be rewarded and all good deeds will also be rewarded.

udatso:
including infants that die few hours after they are born?

Yes. Study genesis

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

It's simple, we are all sinners, even babies. We inherited the imperfections and sin from our first parents. Like some children inherit HIV or Davido will inherit is fathers wealth.
This is why we are all going to die. We are all going to pay for this sin either we repent or not. Foetus in the womb dies a 200years old person will eventually die. As we all inherit this sin we all will pay with death.
The place of repentance and good living is that we will have hope of coming alive back into a perfect life and world without sin. The wicked don't have this hope. They die and perish away.

Solofresh2:
Why the Bible said the wages of sin is death, knowing fully well that every one will die

Who told you everyone will die, dont confuse physical death with eternal death.

ANDREW91:

Yes. Study genesis

Kind sir, could you point me to a specific verse or close to that?

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

Personally I think the "Death" in this term means Eternal destruction and not necessarily the physical death we all know.

Kobojunkie:
1. Adam was made of the physical clay of this earth and had no spirit from his birth so he had no spirit to begin with - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17 - and there is no record of Adam experiencing death before God's judgement of him in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. So where is it written in scripture that Adam became spiritually dead because of sin?

2. Where is the inheritance of what you call "spiritual death" recorded in scripture? What scripture informs us instead we have is the curse and judgement which God placed on mankind beginning with our progenitors Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22, which again is Death, the physical kind as defined by God.

3. According to Jesus Christ in John 3 vs 1 - 8, and God in Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 26, we are Born from spirit meaning a new life is given to us.... something we didn't previously have nor could have died to.
Before one can die to something, one first has to exist or be alive to it, right? Jesus Christ said we never had an existence of the spiritual kind to begin with.

4. Maybe you should try validating those ideas you claim as a Christian against that which is in fact written of in scripture then? You will be shocked to find out lots of them are instead of the doctrines and traditions of men and not of God.

mmmh, I don't understand....

Christians especially and the world in general need to realize a fact: Adam was given two choices, obey and continue to have life(both physical and eternal life) or disobey and die(eternal death, opposite of life, state of non-existence, spiritual death, the real ). Adam disobeyed and chose death which he passed to his descendants and they too in turn passed it to their children and so on and so forth.

They were lost. They lived a short time physically and then died to await the spiritual death that the Bible says "is the wages of sin".
However God promised a savior that would come later and reverse the doomed fate of mankind. Now equipped with the knowledge of good and evil, Adam lived his remaining life hoping for that Messiah, making sure to pass on the promise to his sons before he died physically. And everyone one of his descendants who hoped in a future redemption lived accordingly and died while still hoping. Everyone of Adam's descendants who believed and lived in the hope of a future redemption strove to live godly lives and they were all resurrected the day Jesus rose from the grave. They escaped that real " death that is the wages of sin" spoken by the Bible.

Consequently, everyone of the remainder of Adam's descendants that choose to believe and live in the hope of the Messiah that has already come, died and resurrected will also escape that real "death that is the wages of sin" spoken by the Bible even though they died physically.

So whereas physical death(separation of our organic matter from our spiritual matter) is a normal occurrence and will happen to everyone except the last generation, spiritual death, the kind the Bible says is the "wages of sin" is reserved only for the wicked sinners.

So pls be advised. The death everyone will still die one day here on earth is quite different from that one that the Bible calls "the wages of sin is death". The death you refer to is really like sleep compared to the one that the Bible says is the " wages of sin".

The Lord be with you.

Ungodly:


So what about the good doers who die young? Do they not deserve to live long to eat their good deeds before they die?

you did hear that "the just shall live" and "the meek shall inherit the earth".

Revelation already tells you where the Righteous shall live forever. (New heaven/ new earth, this one has been destroyed by the wicked, so the wicked will be destroyed with it.)

Therefore, the goods the righteous are to eat is not here.

They have been transferred.

Amotolongbo:
There is a place of conscience.

Moreover, one can’t be good to all and one can never be wicked to all

Hence the yin yang

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.


If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

Maybe we should look at it from spiritual death than the physical death. Sin accumulation(in wages) will definitely kill the man’s conscience to further commit more evil. More evil will hold you down, giving little light for repentance to come in this person. A lot of people walking around these days are walking corpse. Dead to the gospel of truth been preached every day. Seeing Christ as a folklore or some fairy tales from some Oyinbo dem.

@ Solofresh2

Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

This simply means spiritual death.
Spiritual death is being cut off from the Holy Spirit which is the source of all life. The person may still be walking around physically but inside he or she is dead. That is what sin does to a person.

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udatso:

Kind sir, could you point me to a specific verse or close to that?

Psalm 51 vs 5

JIREN01:
You're too stubborn. Does it mean all supposedly kind-hearted people who die young are secretly wicked? Or in so far you die untimely, you must have been wicked? There's no one-way rule to life, you can be th most generous and religious person on earth and die untimely. Someone like Mugabe, on the contrary, killed a lot of people and died in his 90's. Gowon killed millions of ibos during the Biafra war and is still alive till this day.

Dont judge people in power like that, what about David, didn't he go into war and killed alot of his enemies but God did not regard it as sin to him, why will you say that what Gowon did is evil? only God knw the heart of man.

tollyboy5:

I've noticed alot of doctrine practise by christian came from paul's teaching who was not a deciple . He went too extreme with his teaching.
I believe people follow his teaching ignorantly

Today Paul is the engine house of evangelism, he understood perfectly the meaning of Christ's coming and gifts.

lomprico:


It's not the normal death but condemnation in hell fire.

The bible said death and not condemnation in hellfire ,stop mid quoting the bible

ANDREW91:

The wages of sin is dead. We all have sin and come short of the glory of God. There is no human being on earth that haven't sinned. Whether u later repented or not doesn't take the fact away that u have sinned. So as a result u must be paid that wages which is death.

Thank you.

Electrochemistry:
God does not see things the way we see them. He's more concerned about our eternity in heaven rather than our transient existence here on Earth. God Himself, being a spirit, places more emphases the eternal. In Genesis the Bible says the day you eat of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil you shall surely die. But did Adam and Eve die on the said day? no! Adam lived 930 years before he died. Adam's death had been spiritually decided before it was manifested. This is the way our world is operated. Our life had been scripted from the spiritual realm; we're only acting out the script.

Jesus Christ came to a fig tree but found no fruit on it therefore He cursed it saying no one will eat from the tree again (the death of the tree was decided) but in the sight of the desciples around the tree is still alive. However, when Jesus and His disciples were coming back His disciples were amazed that the tree had withered. The wages of sin is death, though you're still alive you're dead spiritually. Like people would say, the person is only a walking corpse. But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, though you'll die one day but everlasting life awaits you once you die.

insightful..

udatso:
including infants that die few hours after they are born?

I dont knw how God will judge those ones, I think he'll wipe them out of eternity..

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

You are a spirit living in a body so when the verse says the wages of sin is death the death there applies to you, a spirit. Now how do spirits die? Well lets start with how all things die. If a thing cannot perform the same functions it was created to perform then it is dead. Based on this definition we can easily see how human and non-human entities or objects can die. You can say your phone is dead if it is in a condition where you cannot make a call with it, you cannot receive a text message with it, you cannot take a selfie with it (if it has a camera), etc. The more functions which your phone was designed to perform, cannot perform the deader your phone. Now apply this to a dead spirit. As a spirit you were created in the image of GOD so you ought to be like GOD in every way: compassionate, righteous in judgment, loving, holy, wise, powerful, courageous, enduring, strong, futuristic, strategic, visionary, humorous, patient, graceful, merciful, law abiding, etc and your spirit should have a form like GOD, like a consuming fire (Hebrew 12:29)...but the more you sin, the less of these functions you will be able to perform. The more you sin the less like GOD you will be and you will find that you becoming, the opposite of GOD, unsympathetic, biased in judgment, hateful, unholy, foolish, powerless, fearful, weak, with no taste for planning for the future, dumb, stupid, bland, impatient, without mercy, lawless etc. The more you sin, the more you lose the functions of GOD, the more you lose the functions of GOD the more you die, the more you die the more you become like the father of the dead, the devil. The devil started dying in the manner I described from before Adam since his great fall and he has been dying ever since. The other part of the verse you quoted says "....but the gift of GOD is eternal life..." and it suggests that the cure for death as I have described is the gift of eternal life and what is eternal life, it is "knowing GOD" (John 17:3) and to know GOD is not just mere mental assent that idolaters, muslims and even some Christians claim to have rather it is to become ONE with GOD as Jesus promised in John 17:13 and to be ONE with GOD is to be LIKE GOD. To be a consuming fire.

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

It simply means there's no hellfire where God punishes sinners.

We're all sinners, like Adam whose end was death.

The fact that Jesus came to die for us doesn't mean we can't die.

So Jesus death guarantees that we have a chance to be saved and have hope of living forever even if we die.

Death is the ultimate punishment for sin. All humans have inherited that even before they were born.

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

Spiritual death not physically death. How many times are we going to address this issue

Know this!!!either u repent or not...u will die someday....but the wages of sin is death is this...once u're a sinner and u fail to amend ur ways,u will die and have no space or room in heaven cos God has himself gone to prepare that for his own children..then for not making heaven ,one is death/destroyed forever in hell!!!Making peace with one's Creator is key!!God helps us.

u will actually know when you die a sinner

All of us are sinners by virtue of Adams sin, whether we are wicked or not we all must die. There is no prove that the wicked live longer. Death affects everybody untill Gods kingdom come.

But those who managed to be righteous by faith in Jesus can have hope to live forever.

So the sin mentioned in that Bible is the sin we inherited by Adam. Nobody is righteous today. Only God know who is righteous.

Solofresh2:
You will still die one day either you repent or not

Yeah, and the consequence of dying a sinner is the wages.

itsme01:


Some people misjudged as saints are sometimes more wicked than the ones we know to be wicked

Namely ?

What is meant here is the second death, doesn't matter how long you lived here on earth, if at the end one ends up in he'll which is the second death, and righteousness is not a guarantee for salvation but is a necessity, a prerequisite, which one must try, to do,