QUESTION:
Happy Sunday Nairaland.

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.
Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.
If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die
I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it
Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

ANSWER:
Rom.6.23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Eph.2.1 - And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph.2.2 - Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

All mankind were dead in sin according to Ephesians but God revived everyone who came to him through Christ Jesus. It means we were still alive physically but dead to God as a result of sin. Death here simply means; separation from God. Any one who lives in sin is dead to God. He has no relationship with God, neither can he hear or understand the things of God. Every human will die physically if Christ tarry but not every human will die spiritually. Both wicked people and good people die physically but the difference is that the wicked also dies spiritually.

Wages of sin is death also means that the wicked will be tormented forever in the lake of fire: Rev.20.6 - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev.20.15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This is the condition of those who are dead to God, in the word of Jesus. Rev.3.17 - Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

TenQ:

Really!

The gift and calling of God is without REPENTANCE!
Rom 11:29:
"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."
Your life is a gift from God that is yours to keep forever!

The Lake of Fire is equivalent to God's REFUSE BIN where souls useless to His purpose are dumped.

God is omnipresent in both time and space. Disconnection from God is akin to having no emotional value to God. It just simply means that the sinner in the lake of Fire becomes IRRELEVANT to anything of God.

When as humans we excrete our waste, do will place them in place of record, relevance and importance or we place them in the pit? The excrement is disconnected from us!

Then you know nothing about who God is...
And please don't use inanimate object to site samples... No matter how terrible your kids are, no matter how disconnected you are from them... There's a part of you that will constantly remind you they're your kids.
You're not some trash...

About things you mentioned like "spiritual death"
There's no such thing as spiritual death, a spirit can't die... You're communication with God may be cutoff, that's not spiritual death.

Yes, the wages of sin is death (spiritual death or separation from God), eternal damnation (Romans 6:23)
The reason why God prolong the life or spare the wicked is because God sometimes expects the wicked to turn from his wicked ways to embrace Christ, hence He prolongs the wicked life.
God sometimes shortens the righteous life in order not to soil himself with the wicked world hence He snatches righteous away to avoid him sinning ,(Genesis 5:24 & Hebrew 11:5).
So because of God's tender mercies & slowness to anger, men continue to do evil (Eccl :8:11-12).
Note that God is angry with the wicked every day (Ps:7:11), it shall never be well with the wicked (Isaiah 3:11)

Don't envy the wicked or follow his ways (Proverb 3:3 , 23:17)
Heaven will rejoice over a repented sinner.
We shall not all die before the coming of Christ (1Thes 4:6 & 1cor 15:51

Note: the end is better than the beginning. (Eccl 7:8

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

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Don't let your focus be on the ungodly/wrong doers, but let it be on God.

°Proverbs 23:17-18; "Do not let your heart envy sinners, but always be zealous for the fear of the LORD. There is surely a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off."

The wages of sin is actually "DEATH" because every wrong deeds always yield negative,painful and regretful results.
"I've placed before you life and death choose thee this day the path you'll trade, choose life so that ye and your house hold may live"..... Why didn't God ask us to choose death/bad/destruction? Because that path only brings suffering, pains,regrets, depression, sadness,restlessness,etc. But the "path of life" brings happiness, joy, peace, gladness, etc.

LET ME SHOW YOU FEW EXAMPLES THAT PROVES THAT THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH;
°A teenage girl disobeys her parent & God and goes ahead to have premarital sex and gets an unwanted pregnancy. Certainly she won't be the same again, she'll start over thinking, feeling depressed, drops out of school,sent away from home. The guy on the other side will feel depressed,restless and regret sleeping with her. What They Are Going Through At The Moment Is The "WAGES OF THEIR SIN".

°A man defiles his matrimonial home by cheating and becomes restless,overthinking, lying to cover up his mess. One day the wife gets to know the truth and move on with her life. Now he has lost his marriage which's actually the "WAGES OF THE SIN" he committed.

°A parent pampers her child and refuse to caution him/her when they're wrong and they grow up later with bad characters, terrorizing the parents, beating up and disrespecting their parents and elderly ones... That's the "WAGES OF THE PARENT'S SIN" because they failed to correct them when it was early.

Just do the right thing so that you'll have a peaceful and happy life. Remember: "To every action there's an equal & opposite reaction" so for every good thing you do; Your reward will be doubled so now imagine doing the wrong things..... Your reward/consequences will be tripled. Don't let the devil try to paint an ugly image to look pretty. "THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH".

Just avoid sin

The real definition of death is eternal separation from God.

When we 'die' physically in earth, we are only 'sleeping' as all souls will still awake to face God's judgement.

God is holy and cannot behold sin/iniquity. Therefore anyone whose sin has not been washed away by the blood of Jesus faces that risk of eternal separation from God, which is the same thing as death, which is the same things going to hell fire

HacheNoire:
Old and new testament

I have never seen a book as contradictory as the Bible. Its says A in new testament and B in old testament.

The book confuses you because you don't comprehend what is written in it is why.

Emperoo:
mmmh, I don't understand....

Try to be more specific. What is it that you don't understand?

The cost of sin is hell, which is the second death. The death is referred to hell. It is also the spiritual death

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

and to buttress this question. Am forced to ask. Does death only come for sinners and leave the righteous behind?? Like they said in game of thrones “All men must die”

YxngLionKing:

1. He's right mate. We misjudge people a lot and take appearances for truth

2. Have you ever meditated deeply on Jesus' words that "by their fruits you shall know them?"

3. Do you you know what fruits He was talking about? 4. Do you know there' a huge difference between who you are and the facade you project? Do you know it's easy to judge people based on the facade they project and miss out on who they really are?
May God gives us more insight into his word.

He is wrong though!

When Jesus Christ said, " by their fruits you shall know them..", He meant nothing about judging people by appearances so why would you consider Jesus Christ to have been wrong about how to know those who belong to Him from those who don't? I mean Jesus Christ instructed His followers never to judge others by appearances, commanding instead they judge others righteously - Matthew 7 vs 1 - 6 - and we know the standard of righteousness is Jesus Christ, God's own New Covenant agreement and Law in the Kingdom of God.

2. I don't need to "meditate deeply" about what Jesus Christ meant when He said, " by their fruits, you shall know them....". This is because the same Jesus Christ went further to explain that those who belong to Him are those who Trust and Obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 25 - and in John 15 vs 14, Jesus Christ declared that those who are His friends are those who do as He asks insinuating that His.enemies, those who don't belong to Him, are those who don't do as He asks .i.e. those who refuse to obey His teachings and commandments.

3. The fruits Jesus Christ spoke of are fruits born of obedience of His teachings and commandments (good) and those born of disobedience of His teachings and commandments (sin). This is found right there in the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - contained in the 4 gospels

4. Do you know that a sinner cannot feign to have God's kind of goodness? Pay attention to Jesus Christ's teachings on this to you...

15 “Be careful of false prophets. They come to you and look gentle like sheep. But they are really dangerous like wolves.
16 You will know these people because of what they do. Good things don’t come from people who are bad, just as grapes don’t come from thornbushes, and figs don’t come from thorny weeds.
17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, and bad trees produce bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 You will know these false people by what they do. - Matthew 7 vs 15 - 20

It is impossible to fake God's righteousness. No sinner can do that.... that is what Jesus Christ is telling you in the passage above..

And the same Jesus Christ warned you against judging people by appearances in Matthew 7 vs 1 - 7. So obviously, anyone who judges by appearances produces fruits of disobedience and so is not himself of God.

The wages of sin is death means that if you sin against God, literally you might not have to die but you will be separated from Him, as He does not behold sin. So [b][/b] SEPARATION means death here. You will not be able to hear him spiritually and spiritual things will be hard to do. No inspiration except you repent. Example is David sin over beersheba

stevman:
The wages of sin is death means that if you sin against God, literally you might not have to die but you will be separated from Him, as He does not behold sin. So SEPARATION means death here. You will not be able to hear him spiritually and spiritual things will be hard to do. No inspiration except you repent. Example is David sin over beersheba

Wrong! The author of the statement, Paul, was instead speaking of the wage of sin as declared by God in the Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

Kobojunkie:
The book confuses you because you don't comprehend what is written in it is why.

False!

If I start quoting something verses now, the only point you will have is to quote New Testament where the law was abolished.

You start wondering, is it same Bible.

Ostracised = death in the early church days

Ananais and his wife is an example,the died in theory not in physical it means they weren’t allowed to attend any of the church gatherings.

Offpoint1:

Then you know nothing about who God is...
And please don't use inanimate object to site samples... No matter how terrible your kids are, no matter how disconnected you are from them... There's a part of you that will constantly remind you they're your kids.
You're not some trash...

Because of people like you, the Lord Jesus never spoke without using parables to illustrate the kingdom of God and exposition of the Father.

You make a big misconception about God. We are NOT all God's children. Here are the sons/children of God
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Can you see that we are NOT all children of God!?

Offpoint1:

About things you mentioned like "spiritual death"
There's no such thing as spiritual death, a spirit can't die...

There is not such thing as spiritual death!?
Eph 2:5:
"that even though we were spiritually dead and doomed by our sins, he gave us back our lives again when he raised Christ from the dead--only by his undeserved favor have we ever been saved--"

Col 2:13:
" You were dead in sins, and your sinful desires were not yet cut away. Then he gave you a share in the very life of Christ, for he forgave all your sins,"

Col 3:1:
" Since you became alive again, so to speak, when Christ arose from the dead, now set your sights on the rich treasures and joys of heaven where he sits beside God in the place of honor and power."

Is there still nothing like spiritual death as found in your bible?

Offpoint1:

You're communication with God may be cutoff, that's not spiritual death.

Being cut off is the true definition of death.
When the Soul/Spirit is cut off from the Body, we have Physical Death

When a person's Spirit is cut off from God from God. This is spiritual death and we were all born spiritually alienated from God.

When a Person's Body, Soul and Spirit is eternally cut off from God, this is called the second Death.

It is a delusion and self deception to assume that all men are children of God!

I hope you understand the scripture below?
Rom 8:5-9:
"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

HacheNoire:
False!

If I start quoting something verses now, the only point you will have is to quote New Testament where the law was abolished.

You start wondering, is it same Bible.

Where in the New Testament where you told any of God's Laws was or can be abolished?

I am not so don't think I share your confusions as far as scripture is concerned.

BluelightHotel:
Ostracised = death in the early church days

Ananais and his wife is an example,the died in theory not in physical it means they weren’t allowed to attend any of the church gatherings.

Stop lying!

You are clearly told Ananias and Saphira both dropped dead , and were buried.

Offpoint1:

Permanent disconnection from God? Lol
To be in hell you have to be alive and God is the source of all life, so oga you CAN'T possibly be disconnected from God and also remember God's omnipresent.

Emperoo:

Who told you everyone will die, dont confuse physical death with eternal death.

What do you mean by "eternal" Death?

udatso:

Kind sir, could you point me to a specific verse or close to that?

Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.... God's curse on all mankind stipulates that even babies when who die outside of His Law will be returned to the dust from which they were created , upon death.

Laeroy:
Personally I think the "Death" in this term means Eternal destruction and not necessarily the physical death we all know.

No, Paul's letters was written to an audience of Old Covenant Jews who grew up knowing Death as the reward that awaited sinners in the Old Covenant, as stipulated by God Himself - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

Lordwaz:
Maybe we should look at it from spiritual death than the physical death. Sin accumulation(in wages) will definitely kill the man’s conscience to further commit more evil. More evil will hold you down, giving little light for repentance to come in this person. A lot of people walking around these days are walking corpse. Dead to the gospel of truth been preached every day. Seeing Christ as a folklore or some fairy tales from some Oyinbo dem.

There is no such thing as Spiritual Death since Spirits don't die and men are not born having spirits to begin with.

There is nothing like sin accumulation in wages. Sin instead refers to direct disobedience of any of God's commandments by one who is under or bound by any of God's Law. Whether one disobeys one law or many, the person is considered guilty of sin.

As for Death as the reward of sin, well, that is as is written of the Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

benodic:
@ Solofresh2
This simply means spiritual death.
Spiritual death is being cut off from the Holy Spirit which is the source of all life. The person may still be walking around physically but inside he or she is dead. That is what sin does to a person.

There is nothing like Spiritual Death or being cut off from the Holy Spirit as the source of Life.

And the statement in bold above has no bearing as far as the Truth of God.

Emperoo:
Dont judge people in power like that, what about David, didn't he go into war and killed alot of his enemies but God did not regard it as sin to him, why will you say that what Gowon did is evil? only God knw the heart of man.

God regards all sins as sins... even David has to atone for all of his sins. No man gets a pass as far as sin is concerned, not even David.

Emperoo:
Today Paul is the engine house of evangelism, he understood perfectly the meaning of Christ's coming and gifts.

Paul is no engine house of evangelism as far as Jesus Christ is concerned. Stop lying to people by presenting these delusions of yours as if facts.

Emperoo:
I dont knw how God will judge those ones, I think he'll wipe them out of eternity..

God is not a liar and He does not change His mind.

He made it clear from the beginning that all those who die in their unbelief will be returned to the dust from which they were created.

ChocolateWine:
It simply means there's no hellfire where God punishes sinners. We're all sinners, like Adam whose end was death.

The fact that Jesus came to die for us doesn't mean we can't die. So Jesus death guarantees that we have a chance to be saved and have hope of living forever even if we die.

Death is the ultimate punishment for sin. All humans have inherited that even before they were born.

So in essence your conclusion is that Jesus Christ, the one whose death you claim guarantees that you have a chance to be saved, was also a liar, this since He is the one who guaranteed that those who do not obey Him amongst you will be housed in place of eternal damnation- Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46?

Death is the punishment for sin in the Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. Paul's letters was written primarily to an audience of Jewish Christians and so he was there addressing the difference in rewards that awaited those of the Old Covenant as opposed to the New Covenant people.

phemmyfour:
Spiritual death not physically death. How many times are we going to address this issue

There is no such thing as Spiritual Death.

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as Spiritual Death.

Olodo

bencher14:
1. All of us are sinners by virtue of Adams sin, whether we are wicked or not we all must die. There is no prove that the wicked live longer
2. Death affects everybody untill Gods kingdom come.
But those who managed to be righteous by faith in Jesus can have hope to live forever.
3. So the sin mentioned in that Bible is the sin we inherited by Adam. Nobody is righteous today. Only God know who is righteous.

1. The statement in bold is one of the biggest lies you have probably ever been told.

2. Even those who believe in Jesus Christ but live in sin also live forever since they too have the gift of eternal life.

3. Mankind did not inherit sin from Adam and sin. There is no record of this belief and the fact that Adam's own son, Abel, died a righteous man, is sure evidence against that there erroneous belief.

Instead what mankind inherited from Adam was God's judgement and curse in response to Adam's sin aka the condemnation of Sin which is Death - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22

phemmyfour:
Olodo

Thank you for clarifying your identity there!