But we already did that - we converted all debt into Equity - and airline survive - as the lenders became shareholders - but now gov has to inject more capital.

jl115:
cool story bro.... But I don't believe in fairy tales and premonitions, the guys that took over SAA are highly experienced in the Air travel industry.

As for KQ.... It will continue to die a slow death like SAA.... Only time will tell if it will be bought by a private firm or simply disappear like a fart in the wind

rvp2018:
It had not flown commercially - for 18 months. Are you doing freight pro bono?

I see you discovered a new word also you said it was grounded...... Yet it was flying in March??

But I see you changed your story to "commercially"

rvp2018:
LOL - yeah everytime it flies - it likely to carry a new variant of the virus. The GODS MUST BE CRAZY

They should sell us the remaining assets, for a discount notwithstanding.

You're splitting hairs. SAA filled bankruptcy in Dec 2019 - long before COVID hit your shores. It did not fly commercially for 18months - didnt fly at all for 1yr when company was DEAD.

jl115:
I see you discovered a new word also you said it was grounded...... Yet it was flying in March??

But I see you changed your story to "commercially"

rvp2018:
Lol. Yes the gold coast can probably afford that Lego city bridge if they curb gold smuggling.

now you've turned into a comedy act

rvp2018:
But we already did that - we converted all debt into Equity - and airline survive - as the lenders became shareholders - but now gov has to inject more capital.

yes and would continue to do so because just like old SAA KQ isn't economically feasible in its current form.

Enjoy your 50 destinations that you don't ever go to yet your tax money is still used to kick a dead horse every year

We cannot let Africa Pride down Yes we did restructuring Kenya gov shareholding moved to 49 percent; local banks took 28 percent; KLM refused to inject capital and are now almost zero shareholding from 51 percent.

As for RSA - you are going nowhere - unless you align with big boys like KLM, Airfrance, Qatar, Emirates, Turkish - etc etc - those are strategic partners you should be looking - not south african farmers who fly small planes for hobby.

jl115:
yes and would continue to do so because just like old SAA KQ isn't economically feasible in its current form.

Enjoy your 50 destinations that you don't ever go to yet your tax money is still used to kick a dead horse every year

jl115:
because its just plain wrong.....there are many SSA countries that rank higher in terms of HDI than Nigeria.

Same with infrastructure

Based on your assertion, Sri Lanka, Saint kit, Libya, Indonesia etc are more developed than South Africa because they are ranked higher in terms of HDI than South Africa.

rvp2018:
You're splitting hairs. SAA filled bankruptcy in Dec 2019 - long before COVID hit your shores. It did not fly commercially for 18months - didnt fly at all for 1yr when company was DEAD.

wierd because dead SAA flew 56 repatriation during covid in 2020 as well as several flights last year to fetch vaccines and freight?

Those are just chartered flights. Not commercial flights. That just waking up a drunk pilot in the middle of his depression and telling him to go pick some drugs - and they go back to drinking their sorrows.

Kenya airways even in deep of covid still flies - because again - we have huge cargo to fly to Europe daily - flowers and vegetables.

While you were grounded - KQ was stepping up supply of fresh vegies and flower to Europe - JKIA lead in cargo in Africa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x69v-raL7xg

jl115:
wierd because dead SAA flew 56 repatriation during covid in 2020 as well as several flights last year to fetch vaccines and freight?

gallivant:


Don't be foolish. What do you mean but on ground? On ground is not a standard of measurement. All metrics insist Tanzania is a backward shithole. CCM can only fool Tanzanians.

wowowowowowowowowowowowowowo
Son,why are u scared of checking things on ground?
What are you trying to hide about turkana,pokot, wajir,samburu,kibera,mukuru etc?

rvp2018:
We cannot let Africa Pride down Yes we did restructuring Kenya gov shareholding moved to 49 percent; local banks took 28 percent; KLM refused to inject capital and are now almost zero shareholding from 51 percent.

As for RSA - you are going nowhere - unless you align with big boys like KLM, Airfrance, Qatar, Emirates, Turkish - etc etc - those are strategic partners you should be looking - not south african farmers who fly small planes for hobby.

as I said KQ is economically unfeasible.... Hence why its asking bail out after bail out.

SAA is only going to get better with the experienced Takatso Consortium at the helm.....

forgiveness:


Based on your assertion, Sri Lanka, Saint kit, Libya, Indonesia etc are more developed than South Africa because they are ranked higher in terms of HDI than South Africa.

yes in terms of HDI they are.... Can't argue with facts my friend

KQ for long time was Africa most successfully airline - when Ethiopia airline was almost bankrupt. The trick - we had brilliant privitisation in 1995 - that had KLM holding 40 percent, Kenya gov 25 percent and public IPO the results.

You need a strategic partners like we had in KLM - because airline business is not a JOKE>

We were world most profitable airline until we just made strategic blunders especially in fuel futures - we never knew OIL prices would come crashing.

Our airline crashed because had bought fuel at 150 dollars a barrel - not knowing it was about to go down. Nigeria economy crashed - for the same 10yrs.

jl115:
as I said KQ is economically unfeasible.... Hence why its asking bail out after bail out.

SAA is only going to get better with the experienced Takatso Consortium at the helm.....

rvp2018:
Those are just chartered flights. Not commercial flights. That just waking up a drunk pilot in the middle of his depression and telling him to go pick some drugs - and they go back to drinking their sorrows.

Kenya airways even in deep of covid still flies - because again - we have huge cargo to fly to Europe daily - flowers and vegetables.

While you were grounded - KQ was stepping up supply of fresh vegies and flower to Europe - JKIA lead in cargo in Africa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x69v-raL7xg

that is not what you said.... You said it was grounded.... Not it was grounded only for commercial flights

Kazikazi:
wowowowowowowowowowowowowowo
Son,why are u scared of checking things on ground?
What are you trying to hide about turkana,pokot, wajir,samburu,kibera,mukuru etc?

This is how things are in Tanzania. Stunted growth and brains all over the country.

https://m.facebook.com/BillGates/photos/a.10150331291841961/10152312674856961/?type=3&p=30

https://pesacheck.org/are-nine-out-of-ten-tanzanian-children-undernourished-b558a8380b16?gi=477a5a01ba3c

jl115:
yes in terms of HDI they are.... Can't argue with facts my friend

But HDI is not the only measure of ďevelopment. Botswana as a whole is not even up to some towns in China and India and definitely not bigger than Delta State in Nigeria. Wouldn't it be unimaginable for such societies not to have ok HDI's on average?
A good example is Luxembourg and Germany. Germany dwarfs Luxembourg in everything including infrastructure but Luxembourg a country of 700,000 people is considered richer and better than Germany of 83 million people.

Splitting hairs. The only action it saw in 18 months were irregular gov gigs to pick vaccines and pep - it wasnt flying daily like KQ

jl115:
that is not what you said.... You said it was grounded.... Not it was grounded only for commercial flights

jl115:
yes in terms of HDI they are.... Can't argue with facts my friend

Very good. Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Saints Kits etc are far more developed than South Africa. EOD

rvp2018:
KQ for long time was Africa most successfully airline - when Ethiopia airline was almost bankrupt. The trick - we had brilliant privitisation in 1995 - that had KLM holding 40 percent, Kenya gov 25 percent and public IPO the results.

You need a strategic partners like we had in KLM - because airline business is not a JOKE>

yeah I'm pretty sure Gidon Novick knows more about running an airline than you.....so yeah I'm pretty sure he would know who to partner with and who not to partner with...

The similarities between KQ and old SAA is uncanny

GeneralDae:

But HDI is not the only measure of ďevelopment. Botswana as a whole is not even up to some towns in China and India and definitely not bigger than Delta State in Nigeria. Wouldn't it be unimaginable for such societies not to have ok HDI's on average?

I never said HDI is the only measurement for development

rvp2018:
Splitting hairs. The only action it saw in 18 months were irregular gov gigs to pick vaccines and pep - it wasnt flying daily like KQ

that is actually you mate

forgiveness:


Very good. Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Saints Kits etc are far more developed than South Africa. EOD

in terms of HDI yes.....in terms of infrastructure no..

Strategic partners like KQ is going to help you - not Gidon Novick - even if he is best aviator - airline you need more than that. If you had sold shares to Qatar - you would be okay - but obviously they cannot risk getting into SAA now.

Now COVID will affect airline industry for two more years - do you think GIdon whatever farmers will have money to keep injecting money?

jl115:
yeah I'm pretty sure Gidon Novick knows more about running an airline than you.....so yeah I'm pretty sure he would know who to partner with and who not to partner with...

The similarities between KQ and old SAA is uncanny

jl115:
in terms of HDI yes.....in terms of infrastructure no..

Then Nigeria is more developed than Namibia and all other countries in Sub Sahara Africa save South Africa (for now).

Codein here we go. I hazard Namibia is even more developed than South Africa. Nigeria is competing with Somalia and Burundi in every index including development.

forgiveness:


Then Nigeria is more developed than Namibia and all other countries in Sub Sahara Africa save South Africa (for now).

rvp2018:
Strategic partners like KQ is going to help you - not Gidon Novick - even if he is best aviator - airline you need more than that. If you had sold shares to Qatar - you would be okay - but obviously they cannot risk getting into SAA now.

Now COVID will affect airline industry for two more years - do you think GIdon whatever farmers will have money to keep injecting money?

nope KQ is a dead horse...hence why SAA rejected it.

Again SAA is solvent since April of 2021.... No more bailouts neaded like KQ

forgiveness:


Then Nigeria is more developed than Namibia and all other countries in Sub Sahara Africa save South Africa (for now).

nope not in terms of infrastructure it isn't

You're in 2017 - we did that debt swap - that is just sealing the anus and hoping to stop the Ghana like choleric diarhoea. Give it one more year - the shit will hit the fan again. Operational cost will exceed revenues - and new debt will rise.

jl115:
nope KQ is a dead horse...hence why SAA rejected it.

Again SAA is solvent since April of 2021.... No more bailouts neaded like KQ

rvp2018:
Codein here we go. I hazard Namibia is even more developed than South Africa. Nigeria is competing with Somalia and Burundi in every index including development.

its very close but it has not overtaken SA.

gallivant:


This is how things are in Tanzania. Stunted growth and brains all over the country.

https://m.facebook.com/BillGates/photos/a.10150331291841961/10152312674856961/?type=3&p=30

https://pesacheck.org/are-nine-out-of-ten-tanzanian-children-undernourished-b558a8380b16?gi=477a5a01ba3c

Because we have too much food.....

Tanzania has the world's fittest kids


https://www.africanexponent.com/post/8018-the-worlds-fittest-children-are-in-tanzania

rvp2018:
You're in 2017 - we did that debt swap - that is just sealing the anus and hoping to stop the Ghana like choleric diarhoea.

so If that's the case why is KQ asking for bailouts as we speak!