Elnino4ladies:
What's the decider for the two legged semifinals. Head-head or away goal? Curiosity.

Away goal isn't exclusive from Head to Head na.

thorrvik55:
From the Tuchel's post match interview:

Tuchel's plan coming to this game was to play with 5 at the back, Thiago Silva being ruled out last minute forced him into playing 4 at the back cos there is no other fit CB right now

Hopefully, the performance the boys out in last night would ensure he uses a back 4 some games, not every game 5 at the back

We still reverted to a back 5 yesterday whenever we were on the backfoot, Ziyech played a makeshift RWB. Whenever we pushed forward, we were playing a 4-4-2.

Theuniverse:
at last it seems tuchel is getting sense by trying a new formation, we saw the impact and tottenham were completely surprised and dominated, this is how i expect chelsea to play going forward against those yeye epl small teams that park the bus against us. we never looked in danger and created so many clear chances. we try. one last thing i think the formation was 4231 not 433.

Shukusheka:
We still reverted to a back 5 yesterday whenever we were on the backfoot, Ziyech played a makeshift RWB. Whenever we pushed forward, we were playing a 4-4-2.

Yeah, noticed this too..

Ibime:


The fact Hojberg was the only Spurs player showing for the ball shows how much press was on that ball from Mount and co. When your defenders are making 30 passes, it shows the pressure is much, and Hojberg is the only one showing for the ball under pressure, outpassing his defenders almost two to one. You can see how the pressure affected the defenders with Tanganga messing up for both goals, he couldn't handle it.

Compare with Jogginghoe whose defenders are making 90 passes and he is only making 55, that means play was easy in that area of the pitch for his defenders to be touching ball so much, yet he was still the most unavailable to receive pass out of all of them.

If Jogginghoe can make 60 passes under the same pressure Spurs were under, I would rate his balls, but whenever we come under similar pressure, you won't see him making more than 30.

Tottenham fans tearing into your guy yesterday

Ibime your guy

Trevor012:
Ibime your guy

Omo

Trevor012:

Tottenham fans tearing into your guy yesterday

There are foolish fans in every club. Why didn't his teammates do better on the ball than him. Someone is carrying you possession wise while everyone else failed under the press, you are blaming him.

See Rudiger, Alonso and co passing the ball 90 times, Tottenham defence only 30 times, yet Hojberg matched his Chelsea contemporaries in that aspect.

Tottenham passed the ball 370 times yesterday, Hojberg made 59 of those - that's one in every 6 passes coming through his leg while his teammates were hiding.

Chelsea passed the ball 670 times yesterday with Jorginho taking 55 of those - that's one in every 12.5 passes coming through his leg.

All that shows is Hojberg was taking responsibility in tough situations where his teammates shirked

Ibime:


There are foolish fans in every club. Why didn't his teammates do better on the ball than him. Someone is carrying you possession wise while everyone else failed under the press, you are blaming him.

See Rudiger, Alonso and co passing the ball 90 times, Tottenham defence only 30 times, yet Hojberg matched his Chelsea contemporaries in that aspect.

Tottenham passed the ball 370 times yesterday, Hojberg made 59 of those - that's one in every 6 passes coming through his leg while his teammates were hiding.

Chelsea passed the ball 670 times yesterday with Jorginho taking 55 of those - that's one in every 12.5 passes coming through his leg.

All that shows is Hojberg was taking responsibility in tough situations where his teammates shirked

naso..

If is Jorginho you will pull out both Facebook, Twitter and Instagram post of people criticizing him.

E reach hojberg na foolish fans and na number of pass he made counts, all his press resistance, tackles and mildfield marshal control has flown through the window.. Kuku push him up to AM or cm

lordfalcao:
naso..

If is Jorginho you will pull out both Facebook, Twitter and Instagram post of people criticizing him.

E reach hojberg na foolish fans and na number of pass he made counts, all his press resistance, tackles and mildfield marshal control has flown through the window.. Kuku push him up to AM or cm

Honestly I'm fed up with arguing with Ibime on this. Some midfield roles like being press resistant are intangible. More so everyone knows that defenders will always have more passes than midfielders.

Again, you see that our counter pressing system doesn't emphasize possession but direct football which is why jorginho might be told not to dwell on the ball but keep it moving. This might be the key difference between jorginho's role and rodri's role despite being similar.

Again, football is not all about the stats. For instance we all know that kante is one of the best midfielders, we can see with our eyes how he makes a difference in the midfield but when you look at his stats, it reads a different story. He doesn't top any tangible metric like tackles, passing, key passes, dribbles etc. But we know he does these things very well.
Sometimes a trained eye is all you need and that is why the top coaches all value him and he jorginho is regarded as the best European player right now and the 3rd best player overall this year. He simply is one of the best at what he does.

lordfalcao:
naso..

If is Jorginho you will pull out both Facebook, Twitter and Instagram post of people criticizing him.

E reach hojberg na foolish fans and na number of pass he made counts, all his press resistance, tackles and mildfield marshal control has flown through the window.. Kuku push him up to AM or cm

Mumu, the passing stats is what shows his bravery under the press and confidence in his press resistance relative to his teammates. Some info is not meant for low IQ people to digest. Like Donjazet said up there, his defenders are supposed to be having the bulk of possession in that 3 man system, they're the ones who wilted and he did not.

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Trevor012:
Ib.ime your guy

That one say Hojberg's fans offer more defensively than him..

Ibime:


Mumu, the passing stats is what shows his bravery under the press and confidence in his press resistance relative to his teammates. Some info is not meant for low IQ people to digest. Like Donjazet said up there, his defenders are supposed to be having the bulk of possession in that 3 man system, they're the ones who wilted and he did not.

rubbish.

Today you want a Dm to pass more, tomorrow you want him to be able to tackle and intercept more.. you pick any when you want arguments to Favour you.

Why not show us the defensive attributes of Jorginho vs hojberg last night. Since both are playing under community defense…

your mildfield opinion is always biased.. So as usual will take this like a pinch of salt

Spurs fans knows he is finished

When snail begin dy make more tackle than mildfield marshal. Water don pass garri

lordfalcao:
rubbish.

Today you want a Dm to pass more, tomorrow you want him to be able to tackle and intercept more.. you pick any when you want arguments to Favour you.

Why not show us the defensive attributes of Jorginho vs hojberg last night. Since both are playing under community defense…

your mildfield opinion is always biased.. So as usual will take this like a pinch of salt

Spurs fans knows he is finished

When snail begin dy make more tackle than mildfield marshal. Water don pass garri

Mumu, weak and small players tackle more. Strong players place their body between opponents to dispossess them. Never been concerned with no of tackles, that's a style of play, not a metric that measures effectiveness. You will see Jorginho side by side with a player, instead of putting his shoulder in to win the ball, he will jump into tackle because he knows he doesn't have strength for that. In every 10 Jorginho tackles, 9 could have been won without tackling by a player that can use his body. By your reasoning, Sarr must be shïtting on Rudiger since Rudiger made no tackles and Sarr made 4. I told you, interpretation of stats is not for low IQ people

Ibime:


[s]Mumu, weak and small players tackle more. Strong players place their body between opponents to dispossess them.[/s]Never been concerned with no of tackles, that's a style of play, not a metric that measures effectiveness. [s]You will see Jorginho side by side with a player, instead of putting his shoulder in to win the ball, he will jump into tackle because he knows he doesn't have strength for that. In every 10 Jorginho tackles, 9 could have been won without tackling by a player that can use his body. By your reasoning, Sarr must be shïtting on Rudiger since Rudiger made no tackles and Sarr made 4. I told you, interpretation of stats is not for low IQ people[/s]

naso..

Number of passes isn’t style of play also. But metric that measures effectiveness

Self-deceit

lordfalcao:
naso..

Number of passes isn’t style of play also. But metric that measures effectiveness

Self-deceit

Number of passes is a metric for a midfield controller whose team get forced to park bus when they meet strong opponents while he hides from the ball. It's definitely a metric for an attacking team, and for a Rodri in such a team.

If Ronaldo can get dragged, then Hojberg is not beyond dragging by some foolish Lordfalcaos in Tottenham fan base who could not see that he was the only one showing for the ball. Every club has foolish fans, but at least these ones admit they are in the minority and majority of Spurs fans love Hojberg

Club sentiment aside, it can only take a dull person to rate Jorginho ahead of Hojberg when it comes to performance.

Imagine both of them swapping teams.

Some people just mumu for free.

Ibime:


There are foolish fans in every club. Why didn't his teammates do better on the ball than him. Someone is carrying you possession wise while everyone else failed under the press, you are blaming him.

See Rudiger, Alonso and co passing the ball 90 times, Tottenham defence only 30 times, yet Hojberg matched his Chelsea contemporaries in that aspect.

Tottenham passed the ball 370 times yesterday, Hojberg made 59 of those - that's one in every 6 passes coming through his leg while his teammates were hiding.

Chelsea passed the ball 670 times yesterday with Jorginho taking 55 of those - that's one in every 12.5 passes coming through his leg.

All that shows is Hojberg was taking responsibility in tough situations where his teammates shirked

Nothing like steping up or taking responsibility bullshittttt. He failed in his role assigned to him. It was how Tottenham set up yesterday as shown by their pass map and average position. No wonder Tottenham struggled so badly . Conte tasked an above average workhorse with no creativity , technical ability or even Sense to control the game

timbros:


That one say Hojberg's fans offer more defensively than him..

People like ibime

Trevor012:

Nothing like steping up or taking responsibility bullshittttt. He failed in his role assigned to him. It was how Tottenham set up yesterday as shown by their pass map and average position. No wonder Tottenham struggled so badly . Conte tasked an above average workhorse with no creativity , technical ability or even Sense to control the game

Are you not foolish? You are showing a pass map that shows him as their highest passer and you say they failed because he was entrusted to control the game.

If he passed more than Chelsea midfielders, then it's obvious their failure was not on his head. Must he make 200 passes to clear his name?

Ibime:


Number of passes is a metric for a midfield controller whose team get forced to park bus when they meet strong opponents while he hides from the ball. It's definitely a metric for an attacking team, and for a Rodri in such a team.

If Ronaldo can get dragged, then Hojberg is not beyond dragging by some foolish Lordfalcaos in Tottenham fan base who could not see that he was the only one showing for the ball. Every club has foolish fans, but at least these ones admit they are in the minority and majority of Spurs fans love Hojberg

. against Brighton Jorginho made more passes more than any mildfielder on the pitch..

Which shows he was the one showing up more for the ball. Is it not safe to say he controlled the mildfield according to your metric..

But you are the first to tell us how he lost mildfield battle

Ibime:


Are you not foolish? You are showing a pass map that shows him as their highest passer and you say they failed because he was entrusted to control the game.

If he passed more than Chelsea midfielders, then it's obvious their failure was not on his head. Must he make 200 passes to clear his name?

You didn’t see this when Jorginho made more passes against Brighton

Ibime:


Are you not foolish? You are showing a pass map that shows him as their highest passer and you say they failed because he was entrusted to control the game.

If he passed more than Chelsea midfielders, then it's obvious their failure was not on his head. Must he make 200 passes to clear his name?

All these are premium shalayes. See your guy

lordfalcao:
. against Brighton Jorginho made more passes more than any mildfielder on the pitch..

Which shows he was the one showing up more for the ball. Is it not safe to say he controlled the mildfield according to your metric..

But you are the first to tell us how he lost mildfield battle

But his accuracy is lacking at 79% success rate in that game compared to Bissouma over 80%

VVD can do the pointing tho

lordfalcao:
. against Brighton Jorginho made more passes more than any mildfielder on the pitch..

Which shows he was the one showing up more for the ball. Is it not safe to say he controlled the mildfield according to your metric..

But you are the first to tell us how he lost mildfield battle

57 passes against Brighton. Are you not ashamed

it's funny that no one finds it absurd that Ibime is going out of his way to defend holberg, I still think that he is better than jorginho, I have watched a few spurs games and can testify that he has that xabi Alonso passing range but he isn't a Chelsea player, he is in his mid 20's + a spurs player, I doubt that we would ever sign him

So I guess the question here is what's the point? Anybody that underates him is just trolling, that guy is good but I wouldn't defend him to ibime level, because at the end of the day, Chelsea's advancement is the priority, all manners of player aggrandizement has to be done to benefit Chelsea.

Havertz10:
it's funny that no one finds it absurd that Ibime is going out of his way to defend holberg, I still think that he is better than jorginho, I have watched a few spurs games and can testify that he has that xabi Alonso passing range but he isn't a Chelsea player, he is in his mid 20's + a spurs player, I doubt that we would ever sign him

So I guess the question here is what's the point? Anybody that underates him is just trolling, that guy is good but I wouldn't defend him to ibime level, because at the end of the day, Chelsea's advancement is the priority, all manners of player aggrandizement has to be done to benefit Chelsea.

Of course a superfan of a weakling like havertz would think that horjtout is better than Jorginho.

Amoto94:

But his accuracy is lacking at 79% success rate in that game compared to Bissouma over 80%

no longer volume of pass but accuracy..

Check Jorginho and hojberg who had more pass accuracy last night

Ibime:



57 passes against Brighton. Are you not ashamed

why will I be ashamed? He had the most passes amongst all mildfield

That’s your criteria. Doesn’t it mean controlling the mildfield more