raumdeuter:


Scare yet won, While Hummels was entrusted without Boateng, they failed to win

Just like he failed to win any major trophy in his career without Boateng, Last Euro without Boateng he was disgraced again

Thats why Asamoah Gyan was using Hummels to wipe the floor

Good to know that the Burnthisleaguedown he won without your useless Boathand, is not a major trophy.

Now, when will your Fraudiola win a major trophy without Messi? You always put yourself in trouble.

Cc Popizaino

donjazet:
I.bime you have continuously dodged my question, how did your mcm horjtout allow a mind boggling, flabbergasting, mesmerizing, befuddling SIXTY-SEVEN GOALS last season??

I swear if you talk say you dey praise hojberg infront of your coworker wey be Tottenham fan, him fit sama you better kpole for face.
Abeg explain how your mcm take concede SIXTY-SEVEN goals last season? Na sleep him dey sleep for pitch?

Under the highest trailer parking coach

Ibime:


When an overwhelming number of your passes are in your box, you parked bus. Touch map doesn't lie. If you didn't park bus, you won't be playing the game in your penalty box

This is far from the truth. The first half was a display of two teams going head to head. In fact we pressed so much that we started squandering chances, we had the best chances in the first half. Only half of the game saw Chelsea laid back because we felt that it made more sense to protect our lead than go look for another goal, especially when we started missing chances again. YOU CAN'T TELL ONLY ONE HALF OF A STORY.

Official gist

Tuchel never wanted a striker, it was the board that wanted one, he said that it should be haaland and when the board couldn't get that deal through, instead of letting it be, they wanted to save face so they chased lakaka to offset for their failure to sign haaland, guessing that's why they supported tuchel over lakaka cause they knew that they are the ones at fault


Lakaka outburst makes sense, guessing he expected to come to Chelsea and have the team serve at his pleasure but we struggled trying to provide for him and it affected us and cost us games, should have gotten kounde and theo hernandez or hakimi

raumdeuter:


Yet he was best in the continent? Will you rather be best in your LGA or best in your country

Which useless continent? He won the award because he was part of a team that won the UCL and Euros. If Mount won the final, he could have won it too. If Kante won Euros, it will automatically go to him. How about getting into the team of the year for a 38-games season? Ngolo Kante has even won the real award - PFA.

Havertz10:
Official gist

Tuchel never wanted a striker, it was the board that wanted one, he said that it should be haaland and when the board couldn't get that deal through, instead of letting it be, they wanted to save face so they chased lakaka to offset for their failure to sign haaland, guessing that's why they supported tuchel over lakaka cause they knew that they are the ones at fault


Lakaka outburst makes sense, guessing he expected to come to Chelsea and have the team serve at his pleasure but we struggled trying to provide for him and it affected us and cost us games, should have gotten kounde and theo hernandez or hakimi

Official here stands for my friends and I

donjazet:


This is ridiculous. Are you really saying that 5 world-class managers would ALL be wrong on their joint consensus on a player??
If the results were not matching, that would be another thing. But jorginho has played his role in leading his teams to SEVEN goddamn finals in 4 years.

Again, SEVEN finals in 4 years.
I was regarding you as a neutral intelligent observer, that's about to change. You are departing from logic.

Bro, your blood too dey hot. In running from pillar to post defending Jorginho, you are mixing things up and attributing things i never said to me. I already agreed Jorginho is a good player, just not an elite one. That has always been the crux of my argument on this matter.

Even then, your world class coaches can say all they want, it's their opinion. Jorginho played under Sarri, Mancini, Tuchel so i don't expect them to say anything different. The same Mourinho that didn't spot the greatness in KDB and Salah. And Pep, LOL, that man has the sweetest tongue of any manager. He go dey kill you and he go still dey praise you. We at Bayern still remember his infamous 1000 Dantes comment I love the man but his words don't carry much weight with me.

Una don start again. Which 7 finals did Jorginho lead his teams to? The only one i can ascribe a starring role to Jorginho is the Euros. win. He was more or less an active passenger in the rest. Jorginho stans should stop spinning lies

BikeMan:
Official here stands for my friends and I

I have my sources, do you want links

Havertz10:
I have my sauce do you want links

Fixed

The logic I am now seeing on this thread is very irritating. It's stomach churning.
Someone said jorginho topped all those defensive metrics because he "played more matches".
Did he fly into those final stages?? Why did other teams who also started the competition not enter the latter stages??
What about the opposing teams DM? Why didn't rice or kalvin Philips match the number?

When it comes to horjtout leaking goals, it's a team effort, in order words, other teammates are to blame for the goals conceded, but when it gets to jorginho, it's the other way around.

Jorginho personally topped some stats, essentially playing his own role effectively towards achieving the team's success. But we're hearing, he was "carried" by the goalkeeper.
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

pkasso:
Bro, your blood too dey hot. In running from pillar to post defending Jorginho, you are mixing things up and attributing things i never said to me. I already agreed Jorginho is a good player, just not an elite one. That has always been the crux of my argument on this matter.

Even then, your world class coaches can say all they want, it's their opinion. Jorginho played under Sarri, Mancini, Tuchel so i don't expect them to say anything different. The same Mourinho that didn't spot the greatness in KDB and Salah. And Pep, LOL, that man has the sweetest tongue of any manager. He go dey kill you and he go still dey praise you. We at Bayern still remember his infamous 1000 Dantes comment I love the man but his words don't carry much weight with me.

Una don start again. Which 7 finals did Jorginho lead his teams to? The only one i can ascribe a starring role to Jorginho is the Euros. win. He was more or less an active passenger in the rest. Jorginho stans should stop spinning lies

Another poor logical thought pattern.

I mentioned several elite managers who all value a player.
The response is to start picking them off individually to show they are fallible. Of course they're fallible and they have all made mistakes individually in their careers but what are the odds that ALL of them combined together are wrong on this one player?? It would be foolhardy to throw away an opinion that is jointly held by the elite managers.

Coaches who have played with jorginho have reaped success.
I said jorginho has led his team to seven finals in 4 years and you screamed, which seven finals?

Since jorginho came, Chelsea have played in 3 European finals, the Europa league final where jorginho made the team of the year. The champions league final where jorginho made the team of the year and the super cup final too. The Carling cup finals which Chelsea lost on penalties to mancity, the FA cup finals to arsenal and Leicester and then his Euros finals. How many is that??
Do also note that jorginho won the Italian domestic cup and their supercoppa Italia with Napoli before he came to Chelsea, also finishing in the league with 86 points and 91 points. Usually high enough to win leagues. Breaking individual records along the way.
Also, About to play another Carling cup final. And club world cup final.

I could go on and on, to elucidate how this is an elite player but you would only double down because nobody would ever want to drop pride and admit that just maybe they were wrong on this player.

Just maybe they mis-characterized this player or judged him wrongly.
Well, he simply doesn't care, vice captain of his club leading his team to glory and earning his accolades from those that matter.

MEANWHILE, HATERS CAN ONLY HATE.

BikeMan:
This is far from the truth. The first half was a display of two teams going head to head. In fact we pressed so much that we started squandering chances, we had the best chances in the first half. Only half of the game saw Chelsea laid back because we felt that it made more sense to protect our lead than go look for another goal, especially when we started missing chances again. YOU CAN'T TELL ONLY ONE HALF OF A STORY.

If you check well, almost all of our chances originated from a Kante run from deep to break the lines. We were still camped in our half with our passes amongst our defenders and goalkeepers. The touchmap doesn't lie. If we played high up the pitch it would show on the touchmap. The Kante runs to link with our right-side players in the first half shows on the map

donjazet:

Did he fly into those final stages?? Why did other teams who also started the competition not enter the latter stages??
What about the opposing teams DM? Why didn't rice or kalvin Philips match the number?

Rice or Kalvin Phillips didn't play 3 extra time, and came off before 90 minutes in most matches. They also didn't park Boeing jet against Spain in order to amass half their defensive stats, neither are they weak players who jump into tackles when a simple use of body strength will win the ball back. In essence, we have narrowed the competition for those stats down to Rice and Kalvin Phillips, and the above explains it.

In UCL, his only competition would be Rodri for those stats but Pep chose to rest Rodri some games including the final

Ibime:


If you check well, almost all of our chances originated from a Kante run from deep to break the lines. We were still camped in our half with our passes amongst our defenders and goalkeepers. The touchmap doesn't lie. If we played high up the pitch it would show on the touchmap. The Kante runs to link with our right-side players in the first half shows on the map

What is Kante function as a box to box CM.??

His strength is to run and makes useful interception....and obvious task wch was perform well.

Jogs on d other hand has is task since he is flawed when it comes to running like Kante.

He executed "his" perfectly,reason he wasn't taking off

Segedinho:

What is Kante function as a box to box CM.??

His strength is to run and makes useful interception....and obvious task wch was perform well.

Jogs on d other hand has is task since he is flawed when it comes to running like Kante.

He executed "his" perfectly,reason he wasn't taking off

Follow the origin of the conversation. This is not about their role but about whether we parked bus or not.

Can we argue about something else please

Haba

BlueMann:
Can we argue about something else please

Haba

LIKE!! Almost 5 pages of Jorginho no Jorghino. All camps are set in their thoughts. Let’s keep it moving Biko.

BlueMann:
Can we argue about something else please

Haba

Let's talk about the best replacement for Jorginho.

If we have a strong DM, that will shield the defence properly and play more effective forward passes, we will be the team to beat.

tng:


LIKE!! Almost 5 pages of Jorginho no Jorghino. All camps are set in their thoughts. Let’s keep it moving Biko.

Don't worry me sef don tire. I'm even doing jorginho a serious disservice because all these will just further put him under extreme microscoping. Every single pass highlighted, every run and sprint monitored, every mistake over-exaggerated. It's just tiring. I will just let the guy continue to do what he does best. I'm tired of this whole thing

airmark:


Let's talk about the best replacement for Jorginho.

If we have a strong DM, that will shield the defence properly and play more effective forward passes, we will be the team to beat.

Aurelien Tchouameni. Simply because he can play in a midfield two or a midfield three as shown in both Monaco and France. Kante and Jorginho are both 31, and all our good youth players can't play DM eg Mount, Gallagher and even Gilmour, who's best in a three.

donjazet:


Another poor logical thought pattern.

I mentioned several elite managers who all value a player.
The response is to start picking them off individually to show they are fallible. Of course they're fallible and they have all made mistakes individually in their careers but what are the odds that ALL of them combined together are wrong on this one player?? It would be foolhardy to throw away an opinion that is jointly held by the elite managers.

Coaches who have played with jorginho have reaped success.
I said jorginho has led his team to seven finals in 4 years and you screamed, which seven finals?

Since jorginho came, Chelsea have played in 3 European finals, the Europa league final where jorginho made the team of the year. The champions league final where jorginho made the team of the year and the super cup final too. The Carling cup finals which Chelsea lost on penalties to mancity, the FA cup finals to arsenal and Leicester and then his Euros finals. How many is that??
Do also note that jorginho won the Italian domestic cup and their supercoppa Italia with Napoli before he came to Chelsea, also finishing in the league with 86 points and 91 points. Usually high enough to win leagues. Breaking individual records along the way.
Also, About to play another Carling cup final. And club world cup final.

I could go on and on, to elucidate how this is an elite player but you would only double down because nobody would ever want to drop pride and admit that just maybe they were wrong on this player.

Just maybe they mis-characterized this player or judged him wrongly.
Well, he simply doesn't care, vice captain of his club leading his team to glory and earning his accolades from those that matter.

MEANWHILE, HATERS CAN ONLY HATE.

I only pointed that out to show being world class doesn't mean you are perfect and can't make mistakes. Are these the only world class coaches in the world? What if we find other world class coaches who don't rate Jorginho highly as they do? It's a matter of opinion.You don't expect me to accept Jorginho is world class because Mourinho, Sarri and Tuchel said so. What do i have my eyes and brain for then?

When a supposed world class player is derided by majority of his club fans season in season out, then you know something is wrong. Rival fans are not even intimidated or triggered by his quality. That's Jorginho for you.

Of course, i know all the 7 finals Jorginho played for his teams. My emphasis on the word LEAD. How many of those finals did he play a key role in getting to or winning? Only the Euros. I couldn't care any less about his records in the Serie A. Even the much maligned Bundesliga better pass that snail league. It's no wonder that when he moved to a top league, he was found out and his weaknesses were laid bare. Elite no be by dominating Cagliari, Palermo and Crotone oh.

Havertz10:
Official gist

Tuchel never wanted a striker, it was the board that wanted one, he said that it should be haaland and when the board couldn't get that deal through, instead of letting it be, they wanted to save face so they chased lakaka to offset for their failure to sign haaland, guessing that's why they supported tuchel over lakaka cause they knew that they are the ones at fault


Lakaka outburst makes sense, guessing he expected to come to Chelsea and have the team serve at his pleasure but we struggled trying to provide for him and it affected us and cost us games, should have gotten kounde and theo hernandez or hakimi

Where did you cook this bullcrap from, Jude?

Unlimited22:

Aurelien Tchouameni. Simply because he can play in a midfield two or a midfield three as shown in both Monaco and France. Kante and Jorginho are both 31, and all our good youth players can't play DM eg Mount, Gallagher and even Gilmour, who's best in a three.

Good, is he better than Zakaria? Learnt Liverpoool and Scummies are also interested in him.

pkasso:
I only pointed that out to show being world class doesn't mean you are perfect and can't make mistakes. Are these the only world class coaches in the world? What if we find other world class coaches who don't rate Jorginho highly as they do? It's a matter of opinion.You don't expect me to accept Jorginho is world class because Mourinho, Sarri and Tuchel said so. What do i have my eyes and brain for then?
When a supposed world class player is derided by majority of his club fans season in season out, then you know something is wrong. Rival fans are not even intimidated or triggered by his quality. That's Jorginho for you.

Of course, i know all the 7 finals Jorginho played for his teams. My emphasis on the word LEAD. How many of those finals did he play a key role in getting to or winning? Only the Euros. I couldn't care any less about his records in the Serie A. Even the much maligned Bundesliga better pass that snail league. It's no wonder that when he moved to a top league, he was found out and his weaknesses were laid bare. Elite no be by dominating Cagliari, Palermo and Crotone oh.

At this point, your bias shines through you.
I should have spotted your disingenuity earlier. You masqueraded yourself as a neutral on this issue when you are obviously a hater. A hater who formulates and employs weak antics.

Just look at that poor line of defense you employed, diminishing the value of Italian and German leagues to make your point. Just like people would say Messi is a tad overrated because he only performed in one league. So by your analogy, Buffon and chiellini are a bit overrated because they shone in only the Italian league? Is the Italian league not one of the top 4 football leagues in the world?

Secondly is jorginho not also shining in his country?? Did he not just win a continental competition? What do you mean found out?? Was it not in EPL that jorginho also held passing records??

As for the coaches opinion. Of course we have our eyes and brain which we use to form opinions but it is foolhardy when your opinion goes contrary to that of elite professionals?
If for example, I have a wound on my hand and 6 medical doctors inspect this wound and tell me it's not just a lesion but Cancerous, won't I be foolish to still have a contrary opinion? I might have read books about the skin but would it compare to the the experience and expertise of that elite professional?

Mind you, every single opinion we have is an aggregation of other people's opinion. We have heard from multiple sources and pieced together our own. In other words, our opinions depends on our sources.
As I said earlier,I'm tired of this argument,I won't be replying further. Go away with your bias and continue hating while the player is balling. You can only sulk and sulk.

Segedinho:

Talk another lie

You're really arguing that Kante is a sitting dm.
I can't engage in a back nd forth with someone who sees Kante as a dm just because of few games played in that position.

Ibime:


Nobody asked you if you would trade anybody. They asked will you accept Jorginho in your midfield, the same player you labelled Jogginghoe, the guy who is only successful in community defence, the same one Muller and Goretzka bullied at Stamford Bridge. They ask you one question, you start answering another question to evade the truth

Sire, you saw that too

One thing i know is that Raum is serial Chelsea hater which is very quick to talk down on our best performing player, him supporting a Chelsea player out of the blue should send message.

You know what's funny. The more I watch Tchouameni, The more I'm convinced he's a long term replacement for Kante not Jorginho

Y'all better start looking at another player to replace Jorgiboy and not come up with other excuses when the time comes.

schurley:


You're really arguing that Kante is a sitting dm.
I can't engage in a back nd forth with someone who sees Kante as a dm just because of few games played in that position.

U are just grasping on straws.

Who sat as d DM when Kante was paired with pogba.


U claimed both Kante and kovacic ain't DMs...I gave you receipt and your a busy blabbing..


In Our last match vs Liverpool....who sat as d DM between kovacic n Kante..


Why doesn't TT stick with both of them.....?

Like I said earlier,you probably would be checked if you believe TT is a very good coach but still relied in JOGS despite kovacic and Kante being fit for d UCL triumph

airmark:


Good to know that the Burnthisleaguedown he won without your useless Boathand, is not a major trophy.

Now, when will your Fraudiola win a major trophy without Messi? You always put yourself in trouble.

Cc Popizaino

Use this energy you using to mention me to bring me the gif of jorginho against real Madrid when he refused to pass Azplicueta who was goal bound. I want to show jorginho fans something .

pkasso:
I only pointed that out to show being world class doesn't mean you are perfect and can't make mistakes. Are these the only world class coaches in the world? What if we find other world class coaches who don't rate Jorginho highly as they do? It's a matter of opinion.You don't expect me to accept Jorginho is world class because Mourinho, Sarri and Tuchel said so. What do i have my eyes and brain for then?

When a supposed world class player is derided by majority of his club fans season in season out, then you know something is wrong. Rival fans are not even intimidated or triggered by his quality. That's Jorginho for you.

Of course, i know all the 7 finals Jorginho played for his teams. My emphasis on the word LEAD. How many of those finals did he play a key role in getting to or winning? Only the Euros. I couldn't care any less about his records in the Serie A. Even the much maligned Bundesliga better pass that snail league. It's no wonder that when he moved to a top league, he was found out and his weaknesses were laid bare. Elite no be by dominating Cagliari, Palermo and Crotone oh.

Really? wow! Just wow!

I wish I know your definition of LEAD.

timbros:


Really? wow! Just wow!

I wish I know your definition of LEAD.

I tire for that guy. All 3 European finals jorginho has been to, he made the team of the year and the guy is still talking rubbish. Europa league, champions league and Euros.

donjazet:


I tire for that guy. All 3 European finals jorginho has been to, he made the team of the year and the guy is still talking rubbish. Europa league, champions league and Euros.

I came online this morning to see numerous mentions on this Jorginho matter. I decided I'm done with the debate but this Pkasso comment just off me..... I can't help quoting it even though I don comot mouth for the matter.

Things we read here.