TAO11:
LMAO! You fraudulent boy.

The song DIDN’t say: He was born to a King in Benin.

The song literally says: “… his father is a king …”.

Guess what!? His father is Ashipa — the progenitor of the dynasty.

Cheers.

So Ashipa was the king of Benin in the 1600s when Ado was born in Benin to a king.

I hope you are now seeing how difficult it is to defend a lie.

Go on keep the lies coming. Nairalanders are enjoying them

Your pant is finally on fire.

samuk:
[s]So Aunty Erelu is now Awori, TAO11 what is happening to you tonight, you are fast loosing it.[/s]

Show me any recognition given at State level to any of these minorities (“Benin descendants”), or anything relating to Benin or its symbols. Show me one.


Only the Awori subgroup of the Yoruba ethnic group is recognized as indigene at the state level — even up to the coat of arms showing:

(1) The white cap

(2) The Akoko leaves.

(3) Fishing occupation.

See attached screenshot.

TAO11:

Show me any recognition given at State level to any of these minorities (“Benin descendants”), or anythin relating to Benin or its symbols. Show me one.


Only the Awori subgroup of the Yoruba ethnic group is recognized as indigene at the state level — even up to the coat of arms showing:

(1) The white cap

(2) The Akoko leaves.

(3) Fishing occupation.

See attached screenshot.

Do you know, you are actually making the plight of your people worse by this kind of language, I can now understand why the likes of Aunty Erelu is vehemently against recognising your people as indigines, just imagine what you guys would have done.

Even without recognition, you are still trying to turn the history of Lagos upside down.

If the Aworis are recognised at State level why are they lamenting in the documentary below



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ

samuk:
[s]So Ashipa was the king of Benin in the 1600s when Ado was born in Benin to a king.

I hope you are now seeing how difficult it is to defend a lie[/s]

LMAO.

Well, the song doesn’t say his father is a Benin king.

Instead, the song simply says: “… his father is a king…”

And yes his father (Ashipa) is a king not at Benin, but at Eko. Ashipa is the progenitor of the Eko dynasty.

[s]Go on keep the lies coming. Nairalanders are enjoying them . Your pant is finally on fire.[/s]

Well, they see how you literally are being disgraced.

For example, see the comments below from the same guy whom you seek to align with:

SirNewtonNG:
This beating is too much, madam take it easy o. This is pure sexism

SirNewtonNG:
Omo, no mercy le lei o. I'm starting to believe the bini boys assertion you are transgender

Also, the response from your “friend” below suffices to debunk your comment below:

samuk:
[s]Do you know, you are actually making the plight of your people worse by this kind of language, I can now understand why the likes of Aunty Erelu is vehemently against recognising your people as indigines, just imagine what you guys would have done.
Even without recognition, you are still trying to turn the history of Lagos upside down.
If the Aworis are recognised at State level why are they lamenting in the documentary below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ[/s]

IF the Aworis complain, they do because they want more of what they have. They have a right to always ask for more.

I have asked you to show me one recognition (at the state level) for that Erelu or for any of the minority so-called Benin descendants.

I have shown you example of recognition at the state level for the Aworis as attached.

They also own all the land.

SirNewtonNG:
Actually sorry to dissapoint you because:

1. The oba of lagos is superior to her and he has said that benins are not the owners of lagos

2. The coat of arms of lagos never shows any symbol of bini but awori people i.e the white cap, akoko leaf and the occupation of the awori(fishing)

I'm sorry to dissapoint you but the lagos state government doesn't recognize the bini people but the aworis

Cheers.

TAO11:
LMAO.

Well, the song doesn’t say his father is a Benin king.

Instead, the song simply says: “… his father is a king…”

And yes his father (Ashipa) is a king not at Benin, but at Eko. He is the progenitor of the Eko dynasty.

Well, they see how you literally are being disgraced.

For example, see the comments below from the same whom you seek to align with:





And as per your comment below, the response that follows from your friend suffices.
IF the Aworis complain, they do just because they want more of what they have. And they have a right to ask for more.

I have asked you to show me one recognition (at the state level) for that Erelu or for any of the minority so-called Benin descendants.

I have shown you example of recognition at the state level for the Aworis as attached.

They also own all the land.

He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king.


Cheers.

We are actually getting somewhere, you have atleast half agreed that Awori are complaining about lack of official recognition as Lagos indigines.


You said the first crown King Ado was born in Benin to a King, who was the king in Benin that the first Lagos crown King Ado was born to. I am sure Nairalanders would want to know, please fire on. Keep the lies coming.

As a yoruba girl, I expect you to be adding auntie to auntie Erelu's name not just that Erelu, it's disrespectful, okay?

samuk:
[s]We are actually getting somewhere, you have atleast half agreed that Awori are complaining about lack of official recognition as Lagos indigines[/s]

Well sorry … You alone are insane. I never joined you at your insanity.

My words are:
“I have shown you example of recognition at the state level for the Aworis as attached.”

I also added that they don’t have to be contented for the state recognition they already have — e.g. owning all the land, etc.

[s]You said the first crown King Ado was born in Benin to a King, who was the king in Benin that the first Lagos crown King Ado was born to. I am sure Nairalanders would want to know, please fire on Keep the lies coming.[/s]

Well …

Neither I nor the song said he was born to a Bini king.

The traditional song simply talks about the city where his birth took place. That’s literally what the song says

“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

And his father (Ashipa) is not a king of Benin, neither is his father (Ashipa) a Bini in any way shape or form.

His father (Ashipa) is a King at Eko — the progenitor of the Eko ruling dynasty of today from Isheri, Lagos.

[s]As a yoruba girl, I expect you to be adding auntie to auntie Erelu's name not just that Erelu, it's disrespectful, okay?[/s]

Of course she is. Are you kidding me? Don’t tell me you’re a joke.

She is one of our minority aunties who have no land to point to — and with no recognition whatsoever at the state-wide level.

Kisses

TAO11:

Well sorry … You alone are insane. I never joined you at your insanity.

My words are:
“I have shown you example of recognition at the state level for the Aworis as attached.”

I also added that they don’t have to be contented for the state recognition they already have — e.g. owning all the land, etc.

Well …

Neither I nor the song said he was born to a Bini king.

The traditional song simply talks about the city where his birth took place. That’s literally what the song says

“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

And his father (Ashipa) is not a king of Benin, neither is his father (Ashipa) a Bini in any way shape or form.

His father (Ashipa) is a King at Eko — the progenitor of the Eko ruling dynasty of today.

Kisses

TAO11:


He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king

How can Ashipa be a king after you have told us that Ado was the first crown King of Lagos. So when did Ashipa become king.

Baby keep the kisses for now. There is plenty of time for that.

Nairalanders want answers to these your lies you keep formulating.

samuk:
[s]How can Ashipa be a king after you have told us that Ado was the first crown King of Lagos. So when did Ashipa become king.

Baby keep the kisses for now. There is plenty of time for that.

Nairalanders want answers to these your lies you keep formulating.[/s]

Lol. No Nairalander is asking any question, nor asking you to ask any question.

It’s you who are tripping. Pretending to have questions on what is clear before you.

(1)The phrase “male descendant” (since English is hard for you) simply refers to: a male child whose descent is traceable to someone (the Bini king in this case). Thus he is not even a [direct] son of the Bini king.

Whether this descent is through the child’s mother or the child’s dad is also not even specified by the phrase “male descendant”. So, get a freaking grip.

Indeed Ado’s descent is traceable through his mom to that Benin king. While his dad (Aṣipa) is core Yorùbá.

And the interviewer had requested specifically for his comment on the relationship between Eko & Benin.

(2) Ashipa while alive was a King, but without authority being uncrowned. In any case he a King.

(3) Ado is however recognized in the traditions as the first King with authority. He is officially recognized as first King in terms of court listing.

(4) Tell me who is the first King of Benin — Eweka or Oranmiyan? Don’t be in rush to answer.

Make sure to look at the Bini traditions well. Some of the Benin accounts say Oranmiyan, some say Eweka.

The same nuance with the Eko case of Ado and Aṣipa.

Kisses

REPOSTING — On Aṣípa (Ashipa)

(1) There is no one in the history of Benin who goes by the name or title “Ashipa” or “Eshipa”. None.

(2) On the other hand, there has been this very name or title in Yorùbá history long before this Lagos one.

(3) If we pretend it to be a Bini word, then it will have no meaning whatsoever. Zero meaning.

(4) But in Yorùbá language (wherein it’s been in usage for centuries before Lagos), it’s meaning is very clear.

(5) Even some of the the most basic speakers can see the meaning from the Yoruba language:

A: the one [who]. Ṣí: opens/paves. Ipa: the path.

(6) Binis saw that their account was flawed, so they got creative and came up with another revision:

They now said his name originally is: “Aisika-hienbore” and it means: “we shall not abandon this place”.

(7) This revision still makes zero sense simply because that so-called “original” name is an afterthought.

No person bears “we shall not abandon this place” as his/her name or title. It makes zero sense.

(8 ) All these proves one thing; that what we have here is a Yorùbá individual whom the Binis want to hijack.

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(9) The burial tradition for Aṣipa’s descendants (i.e. the ones who ruled) also establishes their paternal roots.

(10) Recall that Ashipa married a Bini woman by whom his son, King Ado was born.

(11) The burial custom provides that the royal body of a late crowned-king be taken to Benin; after the head had already been removed.

(12) In accordance with the Yorubas’ royal adage that:
“orí adé kì í sùn ìta” (the crowned-head isn’t interred in a foreign land); this burial custom also establishes that their paternal roots is Lagos.

(13) This burial custom wasn’t new, it has precedence in the classical connection between Ife and Benin.

(14) In all, the linguistic and cultural evidence establish one and the same thing — Lagos is the paternal home of Ado. His father, Aṣipa is a Yorùbá from Lagos.

(15) And this is exactly what the oldest known account about Aṣipa says concerning his roots — i.e. A Yorùbá chief from Isheri (along the River Ogun) in Lagos.

Cheers.

Cc: rhetor, nisai

samuk:


The point is Aworis and others are not officially recognised as indigines of Lagos. It's Benin descendant that are recognised, everyone else are not.

The Lagos state government have not officially recognised the Aworis as indigines of Lagos. They are still fighting to be recognised. Didn't you hear this part of the documentary.

An Awori TAO11 is not officially recognised by Lagos state government as an indigine of Lagos, only Benin descendants are recognised as the indigines of Lagos.

The same lagos state government who are yoruba?? And the bini descendants who claim their link ultimately to ife and whose ancestors like the ancestors of the yoruba king spoke yoruba language(Lukumi) and bore yoruba names? You delusional binis will cry wella all your life. Ruled by descendants of ife people, and the bini you claims are in lagos also say they are from ife via benin. Lmao

samuk:


There is difference between Benin owning Lagos as of today and Benin owning Lagos in the past which Benin descendants inherited.

Benin as an empire ended in 1897. Benin arrived Lagos in 1500s. There is European eyewitness accounts that confirmed the oba of Benin was the owner of Lagos in 1603.

The descendants of Benin who have been living and multiplying in Lagos since the 1500s didn't return to Benin after the empire ended in 1897, they stayed behind and inherited Lagos, in addition they blend into the yoruba culture which became the dominant culture as people from neighbouring yoruba towns moved into Lagos in large numbers.

However and as you must have heard from the documentary in which both Lagos governments officials and Lagos royalty contributed, the Aworis have been fighting to be officially recognised as indigines of Lagos.

Benin descendant are the only ones recognised as indigines of Lagos.

Even though the Benin descendants could be argued to now be culturally yoruba but they are still preventing others such as the Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas etc from being recognised as original Lagos indigines.

They may all be culturally yoruba, but the difference is still very clear between the Benin ruling class and their Yoruba Aworis, etc subjects.

The British Royal family is of German descents. Does Germany own Britain. The British people remain subjects to their German descendant Royal family.

The British Royal family are now culturally British just as the Lagos Benin Royal family are now culturally yoruba.

No actually they have always been culturally yoruba and they aren't the only recognized ones. Infact it's the bini kings who took on a bit of bini culture. Many of yoruba culture and language wsd preserved. Eletu has no meaning in indigenous bini language. Even ologbosere can't be broken down and many bini chieftancy titles and even the many names of the bini kings.

Many bini settlers in lagos are descendants of people from ife. That's why we don't have anything indigenous or core bini language in ife or lagos or even warri all what you claim are bini are broken down in yoruba language. You bini lunatcs will keep crying tears of frustration. You are so loud online but you in reality but bini lagos warri, ife are all yoruba

christistruth01:




Awori don't need any official Recognition because they are the owners of Lagos

They are the ones that Award Recognition

This gusy are complete fools. The idejo from isheri olofin ogunfunminire who are aworis like all aworis trace their ancestry too award indigenity. The government of lagos itself is yoruba. This delusional bini people will keep crying. Trying to escape the fact that they've been ruled by yorubas since over a 1000 years

TAO11:

Evidence please??

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Moreover,

Oba Akiolu is the King of Lagos, not this lady.

Oba Akiolu has already debunked this lady.

The Oba said Eko wasn’t owned by Benin.

Cheers.

Moreover ma, Wht the woman did was to be diplomatic. She asserted the benin maternal link to the King and consequentially herself as she is a direct descendant of erelu kuti and oba ado a son of ashipa(an isheri awori man) and the bini princess. She said the kingship and the idejos who trace their origin to olofin ogunfunminire as all aworis do are the indigenous people. And she even limited that to lagos Island. Other islands of today's Lagos State and even the greater lagos and lagos mainland are mostly indigenous to the awori people.

No where does she state that the bini are owners of lagos Island or lagos State. That will be very stupid. Yes some bini descendants are recognized as indigenous (who by the way are mostly of kingship affiliation and are of mixed yoruba and benin heritage; erelu kuti 1 married Alagba who was ijesha, asides their bini heritage, itself directly of ife heritage which the woman erelu kuti Valluded to). It would be suicidal to say benin owned or owns lagos that's very stupid to say. She avoided the that all cost and the oba of lagos himself as shown in the maby videos never said anything like that infact he denied it. No ine disputed bini influence which by the way at the time was recognized as indirect ife influence yet benin never owned or ruled lagos.

Infact before the British asserted authority in lagos, remittances of thanksgiving was already stopped to the benin king as the obas of lagos asserted more authority trading with the Europeans and eventually it was no more by the time the British took complete control of lagos Island. There's absolutely no record anywhere that lagos was under the benin kingdom(or empire as they like to exaggerate ) as in the case of part of today's delta State and edo state. No historical record or map dates this. A remittance of thanksgiving doesn't mean ownership. Imagine an ownership in which no benin warriors were there to ever fight wars or defend it lmao

cc: TAO11 Christtruth00, Samuk

samuk:


Align with who? So you didn’t realised that the joke was on you. I was taking the piss out of you and the guy after he referred to you as a transgender, I am not saying that there is anything wrong with the way an individual chooses to live his or her life but the guy came across like a lunatic.

Did you not see how the guy bulldozed his way into various threads insulting the Benins, I guess his data is now finished or the guy was just an empty barrel.

Now that the oba of Lagos have told the world that Lagos royalty forefathers were from Benin, what are you going to do about the lack of recognition of your people as indigines of Lagos by the Lagos state government.

Purely for the benefit of those that haven't heard the Oba of Lagos saying their forefathers were from Benin and he was a king. He says their father not mother the way TAO11 would like you guys believe. I know most of you don't have hearing problems, TAO11 can keep spinning while we are having a laugh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

You are the empty barell, according to you Beni people you own all of southern nigeria but your language is restricted to 2by2 and in reality no one cares about bini in all this parts you claim, it's only bini delusional miscrnts running up and down fighting online wars. Bini only rules on YouTube and Nairaland Thank God for the likes of madam TAO11 bringing sanity and authentic early history back. Imagine, you miscreants on here decided that there's no more relationship between ufe(uhe) and bini anymore which is clearly different from your earlier position tha toduduwa is ekaladerhan in 2019, now in 2021 no more relationship . I just dey laugh as una dey embarass yourself

samuk:


Why would I want to hoodwinked someone that already insulted me, I only find him calling you a transgender funny. The idiot actually thought he was complimenting you, perhaps he was.

You are the idiot as you and your ancestors are still being ruled by yorubas from ife for over a 1000 years. Shame

TAO11:

Exactly my point that only free-borns get it.

So, I see why you don’t get it.

I shouldn’t have said this tho.

https://punchng.com/lagos-is-an-extension-of-benin-erelu-dosunmu/?amp

TAO11:

Lol. No Nairalander is asking any question, nor asking you to ask any question.

It’s you who are tripping. Pretending to have questions on what is clear before you.

(1)The phrase “male descendant” (since English is hard for you) simply refers to: a male child whose descent is traceable to someone (the Bini king in this case). Thus he is not even a [direct] son of the Bini king.

Whether this descent is through the child’s mother or the child’s dad is also not even specified by the phrase “male descendant”. So, get a freaking grip.

Indeed Ado’s descent is traceable through his mom to that Benin king. While his dad (Aṣipa) is core Yorùbá.

And the interviewer had requested specifically for his comment on the relationship between Eko & Benin.

(2) Ashipa while alive was a King, but without authority being uncrowned. In any case he a King.

(3) Ado is however recognized in the traditions as the first King with authority. He is officially recognized as first King in terms of court listing.

(4) Tell me who is the first King of Benin — Eweka or Oranmiyan? Don’t be in rush to answer.

Make sure to look at the Bini traditions well. Some of the Benin accounts say Oranmiyan, some say Eweka.

The same nuance with the Eko case of Ado and Aṣipa.

Kisses

You guys can lie all you want, Benin related history are very well preserved, you can't wake up some 400 years after the event and want to rewrite and tell ghe Oba of Benin the history of his people.

We have already established through European eyewitness account that the Oba of Benin own Lagos which he uses as one of his garrison towns in 1603.

You have agreed that Oba of Benin made Ashipa king in Lagos and the Chiefs were Benin people sent there to keep an eye on Ashipa.

Oba Erediawa told the world that Ashipa was a Benin prince and even gave the full meaning of his name in Benin.

Lagos princes and chiefs have all come out to support Oba Erediawa's position, but yoruba people whose ancestors were nowhere to be found in the 1500s and 1600s are now trying go rewrite the history of Lagos when the descendants of the Benin original owner are still alive.

Oba Erediawa on history of Lagos:


the name "Ashipa has featured quite prominently (and rightly too) in the history of Lagos. After the Oba Orhogbua returned to Benin from Eko, he appointed a commander or an administrator, who was called Aisikpa to look after the skeleton troop left in the camp(Eko) until he returned again from Benin. He could no longer return having seen the situation at home. The name "Aisikpahienvoborre" which means "people do not desert their home-land. "This is how Aisikpa, whom the Yoruba now call Ashipa, came into the Lagos (Eko) history. Eko is still there as the traditional Benin name for Lagos; Ashipa has been retained as a senior traditional chieftaincy title while his descendants now retain the modern name of Oba of Lagos. The interaction of Edo people with others in distant lands must have inevitably resulted in cultural exchanges.


Excerpts From a Lecture on the Evolution of Traditional
rulership in Nigeria given under the auspices of the University of
Ibadan, Institute of African studies on 11th September,1984 by Omo
N'Oba N'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo Oba Erediauwa.

G.T. Stride and C. Ifeka, in their book titled Peoples and empires of West Africa have this to say on the same subject:

Oba Orhogbua was clearly a strong warrior for he enforced tribute payments from all parts of the empire and in the middle 1550s conquered all the coastal lands up to Lagos where he left a permanent garrison. Tradition in Lagos says that their first Oba, the Eleko of Eko, was a son of the Oba Orhogbua of Benin"


This is the Lagos under Benin the Europeans visited in 1603.

In 1603, Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer, a German surgeon, aboard a Dutch merchant ship, visited Lagos. According to his accounts, Lagos was a large frontier town surrounded by a strong fence and inhabited by "none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner."

The Lagos visited by Ulsheimer and his trading colleagues nearly four centuries ago was in many ways highly developed. Each day its four commanders came together as a court and each day two envoys were dispatched to take decisions back to their ruler in Benin. To do so, Ulsheimer wrote, was a common practice in all towns under the suzerainty of Benin…

--- "Josua Ulsheimer" cited in R. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba (1969), p.74.

Ashipa is not a Benin name or Title

It is Yoruba that have Ashipa as name and Title

And the Aworis already told you Ashipa was a Nobleman from Isheri


The first King of Lagos was the Ashipa of Isheri
The Oba of Benin gave him a Benin Princess as Wife who bore him Ado

Both the Ashipa Of Isheri and his son Ado were Awori
It was Ado’s Mum that was a Benin Princess

TAO11:

You must be very daft to not see how he disgraced you and your minions.

You all proposed that I must be a man because you al think a woman shouldn’t be this wicked. Haha

I don’t care to know both you & him.


What I see is simply that you tried to hoodwink him to his side. He disgraced you as appropriate.

See his comment below for a sweet gentle reminder:

You must be very daft to not see how he disgraced yo and your minions.

You all proposed that I must be a man because you al think a woman shouldn’t be this wicked.

Cheers.

The guy is an idiot begging for attention and you another daft trying to rewrite history that was made by Benin over 400 years ago.
History are written by the victors not those whose ancestors were defeated and made to pay tributes.

Auntie Erelu said your Awori ancestors were made to pay tributes to her Benin ancestors.

https://punchng.com/lagos-is-an-extension-of-benin-erelu-dosunmu/?amp


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ

Christistruth00:

Ashipa is not a Benin name or Title

It is Yoruba that have Ashipa as name and Title

And the Aworis already told you Ashipa was a Nobleman from Isheri

They even told you the Compound he was from



The first King of Lagos was the Ashipa of Isheri

Ashipa didn't appoint himself king of Lagos, the Oba of Benin that made him king over Lagos have told you he was a Benin prince and also told you the Benin meaning of his name.

The oba of Lagos have told you that their father was a Benin prince and not a commoner. Ashipa wasn't an Isheri (man) commoner but a Benin prince according to both oba of Lagos and oba of Benin.

samuk:


Ashipa didn't appoint himself king of Lagos, the Oba of Benin that made him king over Lagos have told you he was a Benin prince and also told you the Benin meaning of his name.

Eweka was appointed Oba of Benin by Oranmiyan of Ife


Ashipa is not a Benin name neither is it a Benin Title

It is Yoruba and he was an Awori Yoruba man

And for your Information the Ijebu that Successfully invaded Lagos Island


and Pushed the Bini into the Small enclave of Isale Eko

do not Claim to be the owners of Lagos because they recognise it as Aworis Patrimony

samuk:
[s]The guy is an idiot begging for attention and you another daft trying to rewrite history that was made by Benin over 400 years ago.
History are written by the victors not those whose ancestors were defeated and made to pay tributes.

Auntie Erelu said your Awori ancestors were made to pay tributes to her Benin ancestors.

https://punchng.com/lagos-is-an-extension-of-benin-erelu-dosunmu/?amp


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ[/s]

You have been thoroughly debunked on this by your good friend. Remember his comment below?:

SirNewtonNG:
Actually sorry to dissapoint you because:

1. The oba of lagos is superior to her and he has said that benins are not the owners of lagos

2. The coat of arms of lagos never shows any symbol of bini but awori people i.e the white cap, akoko leaf and the occupation of the awori(fishing)

I'm sorry to dissapoint you but the lagos state government doesn't recognize the bini people but the aworis

Also remember this comment of his where he mentioned you.

SirNewtonNG:
Moreover ma, Wht the woman did was to be diplomatic. She asserted the benin maternal link to the King and consequentially herself as she is a direct descendant of erelu kuti and oba ado a son of ashipa(an isheri awori man) and the bini princess. She said the kingship and the idejos who trace their origin to olofin ogunfunminire as all aworis do are the indigenous people. And she even limited that to lagos Island. Other islands of today's Lagos State and even the greater lagos and lagos mainland are mostly indigenous to the awori people.

No where does she state that the bini are owners of lagos Island or lagos State. That will be very stupid. Yes some bini descendants are recognized as indigenous (who by the way are mostly of kingship affiliation and are of mixed yoruba heritage as erelu kuti 1 married Alagba from ijesha asides their bini heritage being from ife itself which the woman alluded too). It would be suicidal to say benin owned or owns lagos that's very stupid to say. She avoided the that all cost and the oba of lagos himself as shown in the maby videos never said anything like that infact he denied it. No ine disputed bini influence which by the way at the time was recognized as indirect ife influence yet benin never owned or ruled lagos.

Infact before the British asserted authority in lagos, remittances of thanksgiving was already stopped to the benin king as the obas of lagos asserted more authority trading with the Europeans and eventually it was no more by the time the British took complete control of lagos Island. There's absolutely no record anywhere that lagos was under the benin kingdom(or empire as they like to exaggerate ) like for inst Ce part of delta State. No historical record or map dates this. A remittance of thanksgiving doesn't mean ownership. Imagine an ownership in which no benin warriors were there to ever fight wars or defend it lmao

cc: TAO11 Christtruth00, Samuk

Cheers

samuk:
[s]You guys can lie all you want, Benin related history are very well preserved, you can't wake up some 400 years after the event and want to rewrite and tell ghe Oba of Benin the history of his people.[/s]

I guess Benin lies are very well preserved is what you meant.

Until you present a Benin account of Ashipa which older than the Lagos account, you & your Bini cohorts remain the failed revisionists that you all are.

The Lagos account on Ashipa is the oldest, and it says that he is a Yoruba from Isheri. Periodt.

[s]We have already established through European eyewitness account that the Oba of Benin own Lagos which he uses as one of his garrison towns in 1603.[/s]

Be delusional alone. I don't have to join you. I never did.

There is no eyewitness from 1603 which mentions garrison in relation to Lagos. You're a fatuous liar.

Instead, the Binis are said to have immigrated to one island within Lagos. Other non-Yoruba immigrants too settled on that same island.

All these different groups came in to partake in the European coastal trading activities around Lagos. The accounts state that they moved in peacefully after their respective permission to land was granted by the Yoruba owners.

After living peaceful within their respective allotted spaces for many decades, the Binis later began taking up arms to attack other Binis (among other people). This is what you frauds call a gArRiSon iN LaGos

[s]You have agreed that Oba of Benin made Ashipa king in Lagos and the Chiefs were Benin people sent there to keep an eye on Ashipa.[/s]

Again, be delusional alone. I don't have to join you. I never did.

In reality Ashipa initiated his agreement with the Benin king by leading the corpse of the Benin leader Asheru to Benin. You can't afford to be delusional. Or can you?

(1) Ashipa (a Yoruba from Isheri) appropriated Eko [which hitherto was a territory of the Olofin/Oloto of Iddo/Otto] for himself by forming a coalition with the immigrants who had come to establish trade colonies on the island.

(2) In due course, he particularly courted the support of the Benin government (whose citizens were also on the island) by leading the delegation who took home the corpse of a Bini leader (Asheru) who died at Iṣeri.

(3) At Benin, he strengthened the ties even further by marrying from the royal family. This union produced his son Ado who was born there in Benin and also raised there.

(4) On returning from Benin, he is now certain of not only the masses’ support, but also the support of one of their kings — the then Benin king.

(5) Ashipa established a new monarchy for that particular island (particularly with the support of his patron, the Benin king) — a monarchy which carved out Eko for itself, away from the control of the Oloto.

(6) On returning from Benin, the Benin king sent some important Bini citizens with him to ensure that he does not forget the interest of Benin too in his government. If his was Bini, there would be no such worries.

(7) The government was run by Ashipa, his fellow Aworis as chiefs, as well as those Binis appointed to remind him not to neglect Benin interest of his patron too.

[s]Oba Erediawa told the world that Ashipa was a Benin prince and even gave the full meaning of his name in Benin.[/s]

Erediauwa -- the fraud-in-chief of Benin Kingdom-- wrote whatever fraud about Ashipa in 2000&something. Well, to be fair on him, he was simply parroting the crap which was popular in Benin since the 1950s.

However, the old Lagos account about Ashipa has been documented since the 1800s and 1929. It confirms that Ashipa is Yoruba from Isheri.

Comparing the dates, the later-day revised lie becomes obvious; and the old truth also become obvious. Benin's pants on fire.

Lagos princes and chiefs have all come out to support Oba Erediawa's position, but yoruba people whose ancestors were nowhere to be found in the 1500s and 1600s are now trying go rewrite the history of Lagos when the descendants of the Benin original owner are still alive.

Yes. Lagos princes and chiefs have come out since the 1800s and 1920s to say that Ashipa is Yoruba man from Isheri.

Whatever you bring now in 2021 is more than a century too late. It can not overturn our ancestors truth which is centuries old in writing.

Oba Erediawa on history of Lagos:[s]the name "Ashipa has featured quite prominently (and rightly too) in the history of Lagos. After the Oba Orhogbua returned to Benin from Eko, he appointed a commander or an administrator, who was called Aisikpa to look after the skeleton troop left in the camp(Eko) until he returned again from Benin. He could no longer return having seen the situation at home. The name "Aisikpahienvoborre" which means "people do not desert their home-land. "This is how Aisikpa, whom the Yoruba now call Ashipa, came into the Lagos (Eko) history. Eko is still there as the traditional Benin name for Lagos; Ashipa has been retained as a senior traditional chieftaincy title while his descendants now retain the modern name of Oba of Lagos. The interaction of Edo people with others in distant lands must have inevitably resulted in cultural exchanges.
Excerpts From a Lecture on the Evolution of Traditional
rulership in Nigeria given under the auspices of the University of
Ibadan, Institute of African studies on 11th September,1984 by Omo
N'Oba N'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo Oba Erediauwa.[/s]

Erediauwa giving lecture about Yoruba people's land in 1984 for that matter.

Yet, the princes and landowners of Lagos have been telling their history -- even in writing since the 1800s, saying that Ashipa is a Yoruba man from Isheri.

F*ck Erediauwa because the original 1800s account of Ashipa is older and earlier than whatever lie he has to tell in 1984.

[s]G.T. Stride and C. Ifeka, in their book titled Peoples and empires of West Africa have this to say on the same subject:

Oba Orhogbua was clearly a strong warrior for he enforced tribute payments from all parts of the empire and in the middle 1550s conquered all the coastal lands up to Lagos where he left a permanent garrison. Tradition in Lagos says that their first Oba, the Eleko of Eko, was a son of the Oba Orhogbua of Benin" [/s]

Well, sorry to disappoint you. I have seen the actual eyewitness report itself from 1603-4 [not G.T. Stride's & C. Ifeka's own words of 1971] and it doesn't say that.

The most thing shown by the actual eyewitness reports is that:

(1) Lagos itself as a whole was not talked about at all in the report.

(2) Only one (I mean "one" ) of its islands was talked about in the report.

(3) Binis occupied a portion of that island which the reporter called by the word "Lago"

(4) Other immigrants groups also occupied other sections on same island -- each with its own allotted area.

(4) All these immigrants groups moved to this island to establish trade colonies [from where to access the Europeans].

(5) Nothing is said in the report about how these different groups originally moved in for the first time into this particular island.

(6) It took the traditions of Lagos to explain that these different groups moved in peacefully by seeking permission to land from the owners.

(7) However, after living amicably for some decades, the Bini group began taking up arms against another Bini group (among other people).

[s]This is the Lagos under Benin the Europeans visited in 1603.

In 1603, Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer, a German surgeon, aboard a Dutch merchant ship, visited Lagos. According to his accounts, Lagos was a large frontier town surrounded by a strong fence and inhabited by "none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner."

The Lagos visited by Ulsheimer and his trading colleagues nearly four centuries ago was in many ways highly developed. Each day its four commanders came together as a court and each day two envoys were dispatched to take decisions back to their ruler in Benin. To do so, Ulsheimer wrote, was a common practice in all towns under the suzerainty of Benin…

--- "Josua Ulsheimer" cited in R. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba (1969), p.74.[/s]

False representation. What the actual report shows on the overall is as stated below:

(1) Lagos itself as a whole was not talked about at all in the report.

(2) Only one (I mean "one" ) of its islands was talked about in the report.

(3) Binis occupied a portion of that island which the reporter called by the word "Lago"

(4) Other immigrants groups also occupied other sections on same island -- each with its own allotted area.

(5) All these immigrants groups moved to this island to establish trade colonies [from where to access the Europeans].

(6) Nothing is said in the report about how these different groups originally moved in for the first time into this particular island.

(7) It took the traditions of Lagos to explain that these different groups moved in peacefully by seeking permission to land from the owners.

(8 ) However, after living amicably for some decades, the Bini group began taking up arms against another Bini group (among other people).

Cheers

KingOKON:
[s]

https://punchng.com/lagos-is-an-extension-of-benin-erelu-dosunmu/?amp[/s]

This one nor know left from right. Anyway, see links below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

Cheers

SirNewtonNG:
You are the empty barell, according to you Beni people you own all of southern nigeria but your language is restricted to 2by2 and in reality no one cares. Bini only rules on YouTube and Nairaland Thank God for the likes of madam TAO11 bringing sanity and authentic early history back. Imagine you miscreants on here decide to say there's no more relationship between ufe(uhe) and bini anymore from oduduwa is ekaladerhan in 2019 to no relationship anymore in 2021. I just dey laugh as una dey embarass yourself

Good one sir. Now you know he is a fraud.

And I actually debunked his compressed Oba of Lagos video in my comments where I wrote and I quote below:

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Fraudulent child of Benin.

(1)You downloaded the original video from the YouTube page of Channels TV.

(2) You cut out where the king said Benin has no place in Lagos ownership.

(3) You uploaded your edited video to your own personal YouTube account.

(4) You finally posted the link of your edit here to deceive your fellow (of course gullible) Bini brothers.

You are a resolute fraud.
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Guess what!? I will post the original full video here as I do below. Here you go:

[Click the link, or click “Watch on YouTube”]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno&t=303s

At timestamp 5:45, he debunked you all. Benin has no place in the ownership of Lagos. Gbam!
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Moreover, you tried to twist the traditional song which I actually translated for you in the first place. Ironic

The song actually doesn’t say that Benin is the land of Ado’s roots & origins as you pray it should say.

Instead, the song literally says:

“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

Guess what!? We know this. His mother is Bini. He was born and raised in Benin until he was called from Eko to succeed his father.
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I don’t get your point about the salute gesture at all.

You’ve probably been reading with a blindfold to have missed where the old account shows that Ashipa did initiate a political tie with the then Benin king thereby making him the protege and the Bini king his patron.

Moreover, it is also documented in history that Benin courtiers are supposed to ensure that Aṣipa does not forget Benin interest. Why worry if he Aṣipa is Bini?

As such, the descendants of these courtiers (who are not members of the Eko royal family) have also been incorporated into the Yoruba Lagos today — although they’re in the minority.
———
Lastly, he was asked to tell us about the connection of the Ekos & the Binis ~ timestamp 4:54:

He replied that the connection was between the first crowned-king of Eko and a certain Benin king.

He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king.

He, however, did not give any clarifying details as per which of Ado’s two parents link him (Ado) to that Bini king — Ado’s mom or Ado’s dad, he was silent on that.

The old accounts, however, noted this with clarity by saying that Ado’s mother is the Bini; and his dad is the Yoruba from Isheri in Lagos.

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In all, Ado’s father is Ashipa. Ashipa is an Awori noble from Isheri (along the Ogun River) in Lagos.

Ado’s mother is the Bini. She is of the Benin royalty & gave birth to him there in Benin city — until when he
was called upon from Eko to succeed his father.

The prominent & foremost indigenes of Lagos are the autochthonous people — the Yoruba, Aworis precisely

Cheers.

According to the 11 lady guy

Eko was never under the Benin control
Lagos never pay tribute to Benin
Ashipa was not a king and later he is a king again lol because the lagos palace song said Oba Ado is a prince.

There is something you need to ask yourself
Why did Lagos was paying tribute to Benin then

A landlord can just begin paying tenant tribute it surly the other way round.

So who was the landlord and who was the tenant?

The yoruba people think Benin kingdom/empire operates or operated like yoruba land where every streets have an Oba.

In Benin, it's only princes, direct descendants of oba of benin that are made Duke or Enogie or Eleko in the case of Lagos. The Lagos of late 1500s and early 1600s was a town that belonged to the Oba of Benin. This town, Lagos was populated by Benin soldiers and their commanders.

The yoruba wants sensible Nairalanders to believe that the oba of Benin will appoint a commoner yoruba man to oversee his town populated by his military and commanders, it's like America appointing a local Afghanistan man to oversee America military base, America soldiers and their commanders in Afghanistan or America appointing a local Arab man to oversee America base in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, or British appointing a local Nigerian to be the governor General of Nigeria before independence, maybe Lord Lugard was a local yoruba man from Isheri.

One cannot blame these guys too much because their so called empire is only on paper, otherwise they would have known how empires operate. Rome will not appoint any local to oversee their garrison towns, they always sent their governors from Rome during the Roman empire.

I have always told these people that ability to insults, copy and paste of references doesn't amount to being intelligent.

The oba of Lagos have already told us that the first oba of Lagos Ashipa was a male descendant of the Oba of Benin. Oba Erediawa confirmed ghe oba of Lagos position and even gave the full Benin meaning of Ashipa.

The Lagos royalty have song they sing at the installation of every oba that confirmed that their father Ashipa was a Benin prince born in Benin but some people want to tell the world that the oba of Lagos doesn't know who his ancestors are.

Some yoruba people most think they are the only people that read these writeups.

TAO11:

Ashipa while alive was a King, but without authority being uncrowned. In any case he a King.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

TAO11:
This one nor know left from right. Anyway, see links below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

Cheers

.


King wey ordinary boys chased out of the palace like a chicken wants to tell the family of a ex king where they came from

Continue smoking that thing.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

Jameseddi1:
[s]According to the 11 lady guy

Eko was never under the Benin control
Lagos never pay tribute to Benin
Ashipa was not a king and later he is a king again lol because the lagos palace song said Oba Ado is a prince.

There is something you need to ask yourself
Why did Lagos was paying tribute to Benin then

A landlord can just begin paying tenant tribute it surly the other way round.

So who was the landlord and who was the tenant?[/s]

You went the extra mile of typing “the 11 lady” instead mentioning me directly.

In other words, you are so convinced that what you’r about to type are LIES, otherwise you wouldn’t be ma that I will debunk them.

BTW, you sound so familiar—like a Bini illiterate who I’ve come across on Nairaland. Abi you guys are now hiding behind new monikers ni?

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Now to debunking your fresh heap of crap-cum-strawman.

(1)Eko was sovereign & independent with its own king

(2)Lagos never had an Enogie, Ogiame, Ovie, Orodje, etc. which is the standard for places ruled by people who are patrilineally descended from a Benin king.

(3) At no point was it ever mentioned in my comment anywhere on Nairaland that Ashipa was not a king.

It’s beginning to look as if the Oba of Benin may die if a Bini man does not lie in a day. The slaves lies are like his life support plug/machine. Now I get it.
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Though non-authoritative (for being uncrowned), he’s a king; and his son was the first official/crowned king.

(4) Ashipa (a Yorùbá from Isheri) appropriated Eko to himself by winning the hearts of the immigrants (Aja, Ijaw, Benin, Ijebu, et al.) who have for long establishe trade colonies there sided-by-side the Yoruba owners

He was finally able to achieve his aim of founding his desired monarchy for Eko (now independent of Iddo) especially via the support of the most populous of th immigrant groups (the Binis) and their king.

He made two moves to court the support of the Beni government, namely: led the delegation who took the corpse of a certain Benin man to Benin; married from the then Benin king — giving birth later to Ado.

In appreciation to the Benin king as his patron in the course of establishing his desired monarchy, he made remittances (of course as would have been agreed at the outset) to the Benin government — i.e. tributes on the basis of gratitude, aka thank-you-payments.

(5) I don’t know of any account (Lagos truths or Benin lies) where Benin ever claimed to be landlord at Eko.

This one is new. Is this the latest one from the stables of the Yoruba-hating Bini YouTube clown, Imasuen?

Cheers.

Another failure on arrival from the stable of the Bini obese midget — aka samuk:

(1)Every street here have an Ọba because that is wha freeborns do. Unlike in Benin where the people aren’ allowed to wear clothes by the Yoruba-Ọba of Benin.

The Binis are proud to be nick-named: “King’s slave”.

(2) LMAO! Guess what midget!?

The only reason why you don’t find the title of our Eko kingship to have ever being Enogie, Ovie, or Orodje, et al. is simple and obvious:

The first Eko rulers aren’t patrilineally descended from Benin kings. You find these “Ogie-like” titles & words only in places where their rulers are patrilineally Bini.

Thanks for this point which should make you see what the old accounts have been saying, that:

Ashipa is a Yorùbá man (from Isheri in Lagos), and his
son (Ado) is maternally related to the then Benin king.

(3) Refer to my foregoing comment just before this to see the relationship initiated between the Yoruba man Ashipa and the then Benin king.

(4) The remark of the Oba of Lagos could not possibly refer to Ashipa. Why? He already disconnected Benin from Lagos “ownership”.

In other words, if Ashipa was a Bini (patrilineally as yo are now praying that Ọba of Lagos should have said), he would not have cancelled Benin out of the equatio of Lagos ownership as he did in the video.

Also, the traditional royal song didn’t mention Ashipa, and couldn’t have referred to Ashipa for these reason:

If it was in reference to Ashipa, then clause “his father is a king” cannot possibly refer to any other king than the then Benin king.

In other words, assuming Ashipa is the referent would necessitate the conclusion that he is a son of the the Benin king — not a descendant, but direct son.

However, the Ọba of Lagos started off by saying that this person was a “descendant” of the Benin king.

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Clearly, the only individual who fits perfectly into both the opening words, and the traditional song is Aṣipa’s son, viz. King Ado — as follows:

Although Ashipa is the progenitor of the kingship and recognized as king; his son (Ado) is officially claimed as the first crowned king in terms of court-listing.

This Ado is indeed a descendant of the Benin king — not his direct son. Ado is descended from him via his (Ado’s) mother-side.

[BTW, “male descendant” means a male child whose descent is traceable to someone — nothing is implied here as to whether from mother-side of the child or from father-side of the child. In any case, Ado is not a direct son of the Benin king].

Now to the traditional song where it says “his father is a king”. It now becomes clear that this king is not a Benin king. That’s out of the way already via the Ọba’ use of descendant — not son. As such the only perso here is Ashipa (who of course is his father), and who is the progenitor of the Eko dynasty and as such also recognized in the tradition as king (even though it is often quickly added that he was non-authoritative as such for being uncrowned, etc.)

In sum, “Ado” is the referent of the song not Ashipa.

You may now proceed to my following comments for other information with which you’ve been debunked before on this very thread. Just as a reminder:

samuk:
[s](1)The yoruba people think Benin kingdom/empire operates or operated like yoruba land where every streets have an Oba.

(2)In Benin, it's only princes, direct descendants of oba of benin that are made Duke or Enogie or Eleko in the case of Lagos. The Lagos of late 1500s and early 1600s was a town that belonged to the Oba of Benin. This town, Lagos was populated by Benin soldiers and their commanders.

(3) The yoruba wants sensible Nairalanders to believe that the oba of Benin will appoint a commoner yoruba man to oversee his town populated by his military and commanders, it's like America appointing a local Afghanistan man to oversee America military base, America soldiers and their commanders in Afghanistan or America appointing a local Arab man to oversee America base in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, or British appointing a local Nigerian to be the governor General of Nigeria before independence, maybe Lord Lugard was a local yoruba man from Isheri.

One cannot blame these guys too much because their so called empire is only on paper, otherwise they would have known how empires operate. Rome will not appoint any local to oversee their garrison towns, they always sent their governors from Rome during the Roman empire.

I have always told these people that ability to insults, copy and paste of references doesn't amount to being intelligent.

(4) The oba of Lagos have already told us that the first oba of Lagos Ashipa was a male descendant of the Oba of Benin. Oba Erediawa confirmed ghe oba of Lagos position and even gave the full Benin meaning of Ashipa.

The Lagos royalty have song they sing at the installation of every oba that confirmed that their father Ashipa was a Benin prince born in Benin but some people want to tell the world that the oba of Lagos doesn't know who his ancestors are.

Some yoruba people most think they are the only people that read these writeups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o[/s]

(1)You downloaded the original video from the YouTube page of Channels TV.

(2) You cut out where the king said Benin has no place in Lagos ownership.

(3) You uploaded your edited video to your own personal YouTube account.

(4) You finally posted the link of your edit here to deceive your fellow (of course gullible) Bini brothers.

You are a resolute fraud.
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Guess what!? I will post the original full video here as I do below. Here you go:

[Click the link, or click “Watch on YouTube”]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno&t=303s

At timestamp 5:45, he debunked you all. Benin has no place in the ownership of Lagos. Gbam!
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Moreover, you tried to twist the traditional song which I actually translated for you in the first place. Ironic

The song actually doesn’t say that Benin is the land of Ado’s roots & origins as you pray it should say.

Instead, the song literally says:

“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

Guess what!? We know this. His mother is Bini. He was born and raised in Benin until he was called from Eko to succeed his father.
———
I don’t get your point about the salute gesture at all.

You’ve probably been reading with a blindfold to have missed where the old account shows that Ashipa did initiate a political tie with the then Benin king thereby making him the protege and the Bini king his patron.

Moreover, it is also documented in history that Benin courtiers are supposed to ensure that Aṣipa does not forget Benin interest. Why worry if he Aṣipa is Bini?

As such, the descendants of these courtiers (who are not members of the Eko royal family) have also been incorporated into the Yoruba Lagos today — although they’re in the minority.
———
Lastly, he was asked to tell us about the connection of the Ekos & the Binis ~ timestamp 4:54:

He replied that the connection was between the first crowned-king of Eko and a certain Benin king.

He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king.

He, however, did not give any clarifying details as per which of Ado’s two parents link him (Ado) to that Bini king — Ado’s mom or Ado’s dad, he was silent on that.

The old accounts, however, noted this with clarity by saying that Ado’s mother is the Bini; and his dad is the Yoruba from Isheri in Lagos.

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In all, Ado’s father is Ashipa. Ashipa is an Awori noble from Isheri (along the Ogun River) in Lagos.

Ado’s mother is the Bini. She is of the Benin royalty & gave birth to him there in Benin city — until when he
was called upon from Eko to succeed his father.

The prominent & foremost indigenes of Lagos are the autochthonous people — the Yoruba, Aworis precisely

Cheers.

samuk:


You guys can lie all you want, Benin related history are very well preserved, you can't wake up some 400 years after the event and want to rewrite and tell ghe Oba of Benin the history of his people.

We have already established through European eyewitness account that the Oba of Benin own Lagos which he uses as one of his garrison towns in 1603.

You have agreed that Oba of Benin made Ashipa king in Lagos and the Chiefs were Benin people sent there to keep an eye on Ashipa.

Oba Erediawa told the world that Ashipa was a Benin prince and even gave the full meaning of his name in Benin.

Lagos princes and chiefs have all come out to support Oba Erediawa's position, but yoruba people whose ancestors were nowhere to be found in the 1500s and 1600s are now trying go rewrite the history of Lagos when the descendants of the Benin original owner are still alive.

Oba Erediawa on history of Lagos:


the name "Ashipa has featured quite prominently (and rightly too) in the history of Lagos. After the Oba Orhogbua returned to Benin from Eko, he appointed a commander or an administrator, who was called Aisikpa to look after the skeleton troop left in the camp(Eko) until he returned again from Benin. He could no longer return having seen the situation at home. The name "Aisikpahienvoborre" which means "people do not desert their home-land. "This is how Aisikpa, whom the Yoruba now call Ashipa, came into the Lagos (Eko) history. Eko is still there as the traditional Benin name for Lagos; Ashipa has been retained as a senior traditional chieftaincy title while his descendants now retain the modern name of Oba of Lagos. The interaction of Edo people with others in distant lands must have inevitably resulted in cultural exchanges.


Excerpts From a Lecture on the Evolution of Traditional
rulership in Nigeria given under the auspices of the University of
Ibadan, Institute of African studies on 11th September,1984 by Omo
N'Oba N'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo Oba Erediauwa.

G.T. Stride and C. Ifeka, in their book titled Peoples and empires of West Africa have this to say on the same subject:

Oba Orhogbua was clearly a strong warrior for he enforced tribute payments from all parts of the empire and in the middle 1550s conquered all the coastal lands up to Lagos where he left a permanent garrison. Tradition in Lagos says that their first Oba, the Eleko of Eko, was a son of the Oba Orhogbua of Benin"


This is the Lagos under Benin the Europeans visited in 1603.

In 1603, Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer, a German surgeon, aboard a Dutch merchant ship, visited Lagos. According to his accounts, Lagos was a large frontier town surrounded by a strong fence and inhabited by "none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner."

The Lagos visited by Ulsheimer and his trading colleagues nearly four centuries ago was in many ways highly developed. Each day its four commanders came together as a court and each day two envoys were dispatched to take decisions back to their ruler in Benin. To do so, Ulsheimer wrote, was a common practice in all towns under the suzerainty of Benin…

--- "Josua Ulsheimer" cited in R. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba (1969), p.74.

He owns lagos yet no one in lagos cares about the said oba. He doesn't distribute land neuter receive any taxes You see how foolish and deluded you are. A pointer to your delusion and illiteracy iz how you say no matter what TAO11 says which means you are already denying any superior evidence because you are a coward whose life is not complete if the yoruba overlord of benin, our own son omo noba doesn't own lagos [s][/s] It's quote sad. Omo noba had influence through a patronage relationship he had with his son in law and his later maternal grandchildren who ruled lagos but before the British even consolidated authority in lagos, they themselves stopped paying any Thanksgiving tribute to him, in all the wars of 1700s to 1800s benin army was nowhere to be found, how can bini or our distinguished son omonoba own it.

The payment of thanksgiving was ceremonial and ended before the British took complete control of lagos. The land owners today are the awori idejos. So it's only in your deluded brain you own lagos. I know of course you are deluded but i will and encourage TAO11 and others not to give you that online ego satisfaction you have. You'll continue to see the truth and keep crying because at the end your have been under the rule of a yoruba man for 1000 years

TAO11:

You went the extra mile of typing “the 11 lady” instead mentioning me directly.

In other words, you are so convinced that what you’r about to type are LIES, otherwise you wouldn’t be ma that I will debunk them.

BTW, you sound so familiar—like a Bini illiterate who I’ve come across on Nairaland. Abi you guys are now hiding behind new monikers ni?

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Now to debunking your fresh heap of crap-cum-strawman.

(1)Eko was sovereign & independent with its own king

(2)Lagos never had an Enogie, Ogiame, Ovie, Orodje, etc. which is the standard for places ruled by people who are patrilineally descended from a Benin king.

(3) At no point was it ever mentioned in my comment anywhere on Nairaland that Ashipa was not a king.

It’s beginning to look as if the Oba of Benin may die if a Bini man does not lie in a day. The slaves lies are like his life support plug/machine. Now I get it.
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Though non-authoritative (for being uncrowned), he’s a king; and his son was the first official/crowned king.

(4) Ashipa (a Yorùbá from Isheri) appropriated Eko to himself by winning the hearts of the immigrants (Aja, Ijaw, Benin, Ijebu, et al.) who have for long establishe trade colonies there sided-by-side the Yoruba owners

He was finally able to achieve his aim of founding his desired monarchy for Eko (now independent of Iddo) especially via the support of the most populous of th immigrant groups (the Binis) and their king.

He made two moves to court the support of the Beni government, namely: led the delegation who took the corpse of a certain Benin man to Benin; married from the then Benin king — giving birth later to Ado.

In appreciation to the Benin king as his patron in the course of establishing his desired monarchy, he made remittances (of course as would have been agreed at the outset) to the Benin government — i.e. tributes on the basis of gratitude, aka thank-you-payments.

(5) I don’t know of any account (Lagos truths or Benin lies) where Benin ever claimed to be landlord at Eko.

This one is new. Is this the latest one from the stables of the Yoruba-hating Bini YouTube clown, Imasuen?

Cheers.

If they said Eko pay tribute to Benin is different from personal thank to Oba of Benin that you claimed.

Lagos pay tribute to Benin

Thanks given to Oba of Benin

This 2 sentence looks different one is personal and the other is not.

You are doing all your best to twist everything haha.

Did Lagos pay tribute to Benin yes or no.