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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 9:03pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
If you buy a land now and build a house or a place, then people came from different place to live in this house and do business there. Will this people not pay tax to the landlord of the land Building?. Now what you are saying is the landlord is now the one paying this traders who came to trade in his land/building a tax. Continually is this even possible? Hear yourself So if the Aworis were there landlord as you claim how come they were paying immigrants Benin tenant tribute? Or it should have be the other way round. You think you talking to 5months baby here? You clearly turning a baby breastfeeding his mother here. 1 Like |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 9:31pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1:I understand that the truth is hard on you. But c’mon I’ve only been citing the oldest accounts of Ashipa to you. Nothing more. If you wanna challenge that, then bring me something older. Not a latter-day recent revision. Jameseddi1:English is the problem here now, right? Right! ![]() (1) Grab a dictionary now and check all the meanings of the English word “tribute”. You may find someone who knows English to read it to your hearing out loud. (2) The old account also makes it clear what sort of tribute was being paid. The old account states clearly that it was a tribute of “gratitude”. For having supported him to achieve his aspiration of an independent monarchy. And the appreciation was meant to continue as long as the monarchy itself continued to be. ![]() Cc: SirNewtonNG 5 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 9:37pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
TAO11: And how come same century they ended Benin empire that was the same century lagos stop the tribute? |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 9:39pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Lagos still have king now but they don’t pay tribute to Benin anymore you keep lying � As the monarch continue to be lol are they still not monarch in Lagos? |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 9:43pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1: Jameseddi1:Even though we’ve proven here that there was nothing called Benin Empire (no eyewitness). But to answer: Those who ended your kingdom are the same people who ended other kingdoms in “Nigeria” and took over. Guess who they are!? Take a wild guess: The British. Do I have to dumb this answer down for you, or your brain gets what’s going on? Cheers 7 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 9:49pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
REPOSTING — On Aṣípa (Ashipa) (1) There is no one in the history of Benin who goes by the name or title “Ashipa” or “Eshipa”. None. (2) On the other hand, there has been this very name or title in Yorùbá history long before this Lagos one. (3) If we pretend it to be a Bini word, then it will have no meaning whatsoever. Zero meaning. (4) But in Yorùbá language (wherein it’s been in usage for centuries before Lagos), it’s meaning is very clear. (5) Even some of the the most basic speakers can see the meaning from the Yoruba language: A: the one [who]. Ṣí: opens/paves. Ipa: the path. (6) Binis saw that their account was flawed, so they got creative and came up with another revision: They now said his name originally is: “Aisika-hienbore” and it means: “we shall not abandon this place”. (7) This revision still makes zero sense simply because that so-called “original” name is an afterthought. No person bears “we shall not abandon this place” as his/her name or title. ![]() (8 ) All these proves one thing; that what we have here is a Yorùbá individual whom the Binis want to hijack. (9) The burial tradition for Aṣipa’s descendants (i.e. the ones who ruled) also establishes their paternal roots. (10) Recall that Ashipa married a Bini woman by whom his son, King Ado was born. (11) The burial custom provides that the royal body of a late crowned-king be taken to Benin; after the head had already been removed. (12) In accordance with the Yorubas’ royal adage that: “orí adé kì í sùn ìta” (the crowned-head isn’t interred in a foreign land); this burial custom also establishes that their paternal roots is Lagos. (13) This burial custom wasn’t new, it has precedence in the classical connection between Ife and Benin. (14) In all, the linguistic and cultural evidence establish one and the same thing — Lagos is the paternal home of Ado. His father, Aṣipa is a Yorùbá from Lagos. (15) And this is exactly what the oldest known account about Aṣipa says concerning his roots — i.e. A Yorùbá chief from Isheri (along the River Ogun) in Lagos. Cheers. 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 9:49pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Reposting: The Old Accounts — Ashipa & Benin (1) Lagos account makes it clear that Ashipa began to rule the island Eko which hitherto is a territory of the Oloto of Ìddó/Otto. (2) In order to appropriate that particular island (Eko) for himself, he formed a coalition with the immigrants who had come to establish trade settlements there. (3) In due course, he particularly courted the support of the Benin government (whose citizens were also on the island) by leading the delegation who took home the corpse of a Bini leader (Asheru) who died at Iṣeri. (3) At Benin, he strengthened the ties even further by marrying from the royal family. This union produced his son Ado who was born there in Benin. (4) On returning from Benin, he is now certain of not only the masses’ support, but also the support of one of their kings — the then Benin king. (5) He established a new monarchy for that particular island — a monarchy which carved out Eko for itself, away from the control of the Oloto. (6) On returning from Benin, the Benin king sent some important Bini citizens with him to ensure that he does not forget the interest of Benin too in his government. (7) In all, the Lagos account makes it crystal clear that Ashipa is a Yorùbá man (Awori to be precise) from the place called Iṣeri, along the Ogun river in Lagos. (8 ) His son Ado who is descended from the Benin king via his (Ado’s) mother-side was later sent to Eko after Ashipa’s reign. (9) Ado thus becomes enshrined in Lagos traditions as the first official/crowned-king of Eko; even though his father (the progenitor of the dynasty) is also treated as king. (10) As such, the Eko kings were bound to their Benin counterpart by a strong tie of gratitude which is often recognized by remittances and confirmation honor. In fact, the royal corpse of certain Eko kings are sent to Benin — but after the head had been removed. The head is removed only to show that here in Lagos is the land of their fathers patrilineally. Recall that the head always stays with the fathers’ land and the body with the mother’s’ land — just as with IFe & Benin. Appendix: The point made by @christistruth01 about the Ada & Abẹ[n]rẹ[n] is not that the Ọọni despatched them to the Eko dynasty. Of course not. That must have been despatched (or borrowed) from Benin during the Aṣipa- Benin patron-protege pact. His point, however, is that the source of Benin’s Ada & Abẹñrẹñ [Bini: Ẹbẹñrẹñ, and recently Ẹbẹñ] in the first place is actually Ifẹ. In other words, it’s a Yorùbá heritage ab-initio. That is all he was saying. Shikena. This is backed by surviving cultural/ethnographic, and even epigraphic/archaeological evidence in Ife. Cheers. 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 9:58pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
You keep lying to yourself. That tribute was paid because Benin was the overload there it ended as Benin empire ended by the British. Benin created Lagos establish it just as they did to the rest places. Benin colonized you people Igbos Igala ughobo isoko Itshekiri. Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this. How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin first before it can be accepted as a ruler First ruler of onitcha First ruler of Itshekiri First ruler of Lagos First ruler of isoko First ruler of Asaba First ruler of agbor First ruler of Igala All of them came from Edo first before they were able to instal them as ruler How come all this how come all of them was able to be known or be respected as a king after arilval from Edo? Benin city seems to be like God then or head pop the to this people then that it need to ordain them first before they can become a king. |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 10:02pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1:• EVIDENCE Please?? ?? ?? ![]() • particularly for the Yoruba one in your listing. 5 Likes
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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 10:06pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this. How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin. First ruler of onitcha First ruler of Itshekiri First ruler of Lagos First ruler of isoko First ruler of Asaba First ruler of agbor First ruler of Igala All this first ruler came from already well governed kingdom of Benin. And I can prove every single one of them to you! |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 10:07pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1:• EVIDENCE Please?? ?? ?? ![]() • particularly for the Yoruba one in your listing. 5 Likes
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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 10:24pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1: Please which Geographical part of Lagos are you referring to because 95 % of Awori never had any Business with Benin at all You do know that when the British Arrived all mainland Lagos and Iddo with ,Lekki were fiefdoms of Egba Abeokuta and Ijebuland and under their Control 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 10:33pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01:It doesn’t matter which part. No part paid tribute of “conquest” to Benin. The old account state Eko paid a tribute of gratitude. And that was initiated by Ashipa for the Benin’s help. The early account is clear. Eko was NEver conquered. Cheers. 5 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 10:38pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
TAO11: Tao11 I know but I want him to restrict the argument to the exact Geographical location of Isale Eko Where the Oba of Lagos was a Slave Trade Babaloja and was only sending Oba of Benin his Share of royalties from the Slave Market That way it would be easier to understand that what he is calling Tribute was not paid by the Awori but was slave market returns to t So that wil restrict the Geographical Space being argued over since Yesterday It is like Oba Sabo sending money from Cattle Sales to the Emir of Kano and then Claiming that Ibadan paid Tribute to kano 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 10:43pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01:I get. But you know they’re not bright. They’re happy to quickly misconstrue you. You have to be more than clear with these liars So, while restricting it to the appropriate place (isale-Eko), you must also state what exactly happened per the old accounts: (1) There was no conquest on Eko. (2) Bini and others settled by asking for permission. (3) Ashipa (a Yorùbá) courted the immigrants support (4) He made remittance to the Benin king for the help 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 10:49pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
TAO11: Yes Tao11 the Oba of Benin was the Oba of Lagos Political Godfather Isale Eko was a big Slave Market To be honest Tao11 the money sent to the Oba of Lagos was blood money Royalties for his help in facilitating the Slave Trade at Isale Eko and Certainly not Tribute from the Awori 4 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 10:49pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
And it’s not exactly as the example you cited. Yes, I know what you mean and they know it too. But they’re always more than happy to take advantage of any vague expression you use. Hence the need for extreme clarity when dealing with Benin fraudsters & revisionists. The person who initiated the remittances (Ashipa) has no descent from Benin whatsoever. That’s the aspect you must always stress if you choose this analogy again next time. He initiated it (based on agreement) as an expression of gratitude for the Benin help he received. Cheers 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 10:52pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01:Yes we both agree that it’s for appreciation. But it wasn’t appreciation for facilitating slave trade. It was initiated by Ashipa as a gratitude for being his patron when he (Ashipa) desired to found the kingship Ashipa himself is Awori from Isheri-Olofin.1 1The Isheri-Olofin which is along the Ogun-River, not the newly named one which used to be Isheri-Idimu. Cheers. Cc: christistruth01 5 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 10:53pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Ok Tao11 Ashipa was the Ashipa of Isheri It was Greed that made him to use cunning Cunning to liaise with the Oba of Benin and he didn't even live to enjoy the fruits of his Treachery Wasn't it because of the Slave Trade with the Portuguese that the Benin was interested in the Lagos Isale Eko in the first place 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 10:56pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01:Of course there are no two Ashipa’s in the Lagos area at the time. He was invited from Isheri by the Olofin himself — he was called upon to mediate between his children. After doing a good job of mediation/apportionment, he also established the Eko monarchy for himself via the support of the immigrants and one of their king. 5 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 10:59pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
TAO11: That Ashipa was a bit of an Afonja The good thing was that the Awori didn't give him face and maintained their Stand that Lagos was Aworiland Unlike the Other Afonja that his followers tried to bring down their own Oyo Kingdom 5 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 11:01pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01:Lol. But the difference here is that: He wasn’t allowed right to land anywhere on the island except back at Isheri though. Moreover, all his “younger cousins” — i.e. the Olofin’s children whom he came to mediate for — are all part of his government till date. Cheers. Cc: christistruth01 7 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 11:17pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
TAO11: If you read about Oba Ehengbuda of Benin it looks like it was the Ijebus that attacked and drowned he and his entourage at Lekki 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 11:24pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01:By all indications, it appears he drowned during their first attempt to occupy Lagos by force. The Lagos account recalls clearly that the Benins were humiliated and defeated during that attempt. That their Ọba lost his life in the course of that attack is the most apparent explanation. There are songs till date which recalls the bravery of the Olofin and how he fought as the Olofin he is. They try to mask his death (in their Benin tradition) as a mere accident. LMAO. After all the conflict, a period of peace followed, and they did what others did — that is to seek permission to land from the owners to set up their trade colony. Cheers. Cc: christistruth01 7 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 11:29pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
TAO11: So you think it was the Olofin and his men that did it because some accounts say he died leading a War party around Lekki Lagoon And you know that the Benin will never want to say the Awori killed their Oba In a War but from the details from different sources that seems to be what happened and from then on Benin Oba's didn't lead War Parties anymore At least not Officially 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 11:31pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01:Of course, the attack was on Eko itself. But other Yorùbá kingdoms and peoples would have been involved in the beating received by the Binis. The Ijebus being neighbors and relations would have also contributed its army to the Olofin’s use. In fact, there are Ibadan traditions which states that a certain Lagelu was one of the Ife warriors despatched to fight under the Olofin for that purpose. Cc: christistruth01 And you know that the Benin will never want to say the Awori killed their Oba In a War but from the details from different sources that seems to be what happened and from then onExactly! And that’s why they covered it up by saying it was just an accident. Cc: christistruth01 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 11:37pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01: I guess you are still proving some point here but Tao11 is still finding all necessary mean to twist it, Tao11 you seems to be professional in twisting history did you study it?
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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 11:41pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1: gregyboy, is this the best you can do? Haha ![]() 6 Likes
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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by christistruth01: 11:44pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1: Kindly Go and sit down We are busy Confirming if it was the Awori or Ijebus that attacked and Killed Oba Ehengbuda of Benin at Lekki 6 Likes |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 11:48pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
christistruth01: Killing Oba Benin then paying tribute to Oba of Benin lol After you killed him then you started paying tribute to him? |
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO11(f): 11:54pm On Jan 28, 2022 |
Jameseddi1:Killing a Benin king that wanted war?? YES Appreciating another Benin king (some100 years later) who helped Ashipa?? YES. What do you not understand ? Oh I know what you do not understand. And that’s the meaning of the English word “tribute” ![]() Cheers ![]() Cc: christistruth01 8 Likes
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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Jameseddi1: 12:00am On Jan 29, 2022 |
TAO11: Who kill this king? Don’t tell me is uncolonized ungorvern uneducate uncivilized people with no ruler… please save the lie for your child. A place that have no king have no general have no army how were they now able to kill Oba? |
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