If you buy a land now and build a house or a place, then people came from different place to live in this house and do business there.

Will this people not pay tax to the landlord of the land Building?.

Now what you are saying is the landlord is now the one paying this traders who came to trade in his land/building a tax. Continually is this even possible? Hear yourself



So if the Aworis were there landlord as you claim how come they were paying immigrants Benin tenant tribute? Or it should have be the other way round.

You think you talking to 5months baby here?

You clearly turning a baby breastfeeding his mother here.

Jameseddi1:
I[s]f you buy a land now and build a house or a place, then people came from different place to live in this house and do business there.

Will this people not pay tax to the landlord of the land Building?.

Now what you are saying is the landlord is now the one paying this traders who came to trade in his land/building a tax. Continually is this even possible? Hear yourself
So if the Aworis were there landlord as you claim how come they were paying immigrants Benin tenant tribute? Or it should have be the other way round.

You think you talking to 5months baby here?

You clearly turning a baby breastfeeding his mother here.[/s]

I understand that the truth is hard on you. But c’mon I’ve only been citing the oldest accounts of Ashipa to you. Nothing more.

If you wanna challenge that, then bring me something older. Not a latter-day recent revision.

Jameseddi1:
[s]If they said Eko pay tribute to Benin is different from personal thank to Oba of Benin that you claimed.

Lagos pay tribute to Benin

Thanks given to Oba of Benin

This 2 sentence looks different one is personal and the other is not.

You are doing all your best to twist everything haha.

Did Lagos pay tribute to Benin yes or no.[/s]

English is the problem here now, right? Right!

(1) Grab a dictionary now and check all the meanings of the English word “tribute”.

You may find someone who knows English to read it to your hearing out loud.

(2) The old account also makes it clear what sort of tribute was being paid.

The old account states clearly that it was a tribute of “gratitude”.

For having supported him to achieve his aspiration of an independent monarchy.

And the appreciation was meant to continue as long as the monarchy itself continued to be.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

TAO11:
English is the problem here now, right? Right!

(1) Grab a dictionary now and check all the meanings of the English word “tribute”.

You may find someone who knows English to read it to your hearing out loud.

(2) The old account also makes it claw at what kind of tribute was being paid.

The old account states clearly that it was a tribute of “gratitude”.

For having supported him to achieve his aspiration of an independent monarchy.

And the appreciation was meant to continue as long as the monarchy itself continued to be.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

And how come same century they ended Benin empire that was the same century lagos stop the tribute?

Lagos still have king now but they don’t pay tribute to Benin anymore you keep lying �

As the monarch continue to be lol are they still not monarch in Lagos?

Jameseddi1:
[s]Lagos still have king now but they don’t pay tribute to Benin anymore you keep lying �

As the monarch continue to be lol are they still not monarch in Lagos?[/s]

Jameseddi1:
[s]And how come same century they ended Benin empire that was the same century lagos stop the tribute?[/s]

Even though we’ve proven here that there was nothing called Benin Empire (no eyewitness). But to answer:

Those who ended your kingdom are the same people who ended other kingdoms in “Nigeria” and took over.

Guess who they are!? Take a wild guess: The British.


Do I have to dumb this answer down for you, or your brain gets what’s going on?

Cheers

REPOSTING — On Aṣípa (Ashipa)

(1) There is no one in the history of Benin who goes by the name or title “Ashipa” or “Eshipa”. None.

(2) On the other hand, there has been this very name or title in Yorùbá history long before this Lagos one.

(3) If we pretend it to be a Bini word, then it will have no meaning whatsoever. Zero meaning.

(4) But in Yorùbá language (wherein it’s been in usage for centuries before Lagos), it’s meaning is very clear.

(5) Even some of the the most basic speakers can see the meaning from the Yoruba language:

A: the one [who]. Ṣí: opens/paves. Ipa: the path.

(6) Binis saw that their account was flawed, so they got creative and came up with another revision:

They now said his name originally is: “Aisika-hienbore” and it means: “we shall not abandon this place”.

(7) This revision still makes zero sense simply because that so-called “original” name is an afterthought.

No person bears “we shall not abandon this place” as his/her name or title. It makes zero sense.

(8 ) All these proves one thing; that what we have here is a Yorùbá individual whom the Binis want to hijack.

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(9) The burial tradition for Aṣipa’s descendants (i.e. the ones who ruled) also establishes their paternal roots.

(10) Recall that Ashipa married a Bini woman by whom his son, King Ado was born.

(11) The burial custom provides that the royal body of a late crowned-king be taken to Benin; after the head had already been removed.

(12) In accordance with the Yorubas’ royal adage that:
“orí adé kì í sùn ìta” (the crowned-head isn’t interred in a foreign land); this burial custom also establishes that their paternal roots is Lagos.

(13) This burial custom wasn’t new, it has precedence in the classical connection between Ife and Benin.

(14) In all, the linguistic and cultural evidence establish one and the same thing — Lagos is the paternal home of Ado. His father, Aṣipa is a Yorùbá from Lagos.

(15) And this is exactly what the oldest known account about Aṣipa says concerning his roots — i.e. A Yorùbá chief from Isheri (along the River Ogun) in Lagos.

Cheers.

Reposting: The Old Accounts — Ashipa & Benin

(1) Lagos account makes it clear that Ashipa began to rule the island Eko which hitherto is a territory of the Oloto of Ìddó/Otto.

(2) In order to appropriate that particular island (Eko) for himself, he formed a coalition with the immigrants who had come to establish trade settlements there.

(3) In due course, he particularly courted the support of the Benin government (whose citizens were also on the island) by leading the delegation who took home the corpse of a Bini leader (Asheru) who died at Iṣeri.

(3) At Benin, he strengthened the ties even further by marrying from the royal family. This union produced his son Ado who was born there in Benin.

(4) On returning from Benin, he is now certain of not only the masses’ support, but also the support of one of their kings — the then Benin king.

(5) He established a new monarchy for that particular island — a monarchy which carved out Eko for itself, away from the control of the Oloto.

(6) On returning from Benin, the Benin king sent some important Bini citizens with him to ensure that he does not forget the interest of Benin too in his government.

(7) In all, the Lagos account makes it crystal clear that Ashipa is a Yorùbá man (Awori to be precise) from the place called Iṣeri, along the Ogun river in Lagos.

(8 ) His son Ado who is descended from the Benin king via his (Ado’s) mother-side was later sent to Eko after Ashipa’s reign.

(9) Ado thus becomes enshrined in Lagos traditions as the first official/crowned-king of Eko; even though his father (the progenitor of the dynasty) is also treated as king.

(10) As such, the Eko kings were bound to their Benin counterpart by a strong tie of gratitude which is often recognized by remittances and confirmation honor.

In fact, the royal corpse of certain Eko kings are sent to Benin — but after the head had been removed.

The head is removed only to show that here in Lagos is the land of their fathers patrilineally. Recall that the head always stays with the fathers’ land and the body with the mother’s’ land — just as with IFe & Benin.

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Appendix:
The point made by @christistruth01 about the Ada & Abẹ[n]rẹ[n] is not that the Ọọni despatched them to the Eko dynasty. Of course not.

That must have been despatched (or borrowed) from Benin during the Aṣipa- Benin patron-protege pact.

His point, however, is that the source of Benin’s Ada & Abẹñrẹñ [Bini: Ẹbẹñrẹñ, and recently Ẹbẹñ] in the first place is actually Ifẹ.

In other words, it’s a Yorùbá heritage ab-initio. That is all he was saying. Shikena.

This is backed by surviving cultural/ethnographic, and even epigraphic/archaeological evidence in Ife.

Cheers.

You keep lying to yourself.

That tribute was paid because Benin was the overload there it ended as Benin empire ended by the British.

Benin created Lagos establish it just as they did to the rest places.
Benin colonized you people Igbos Igala ughobo isoko Itshekiri.

Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin first before it can be accepted as a ruler

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All of them came from Edo first before they were able to instal them as ruler

How come all this how come all of them was able to be known or be respected as a king after arilval from Edo?


Benin city seems to be like God then or head pop the to this people then that it need to ordain them first before they can become a king.

Jameseddi1:
[s]You keep lying to yourself.

That tribute was paid because Benin was the overload there it ended as Benin empire ended by the British.

Benin created Lagos establish it just as they did to the rest places.
Benin colonized you people Igbos Igala ughobo isoko Itshekiri.

Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin first before it can be accepted as a ruler

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All of them came from Edo first before they were able to instal them as ruler

How come all this how come all of them was able to be known or be respected as a king after arilval from Edo?


Benin city seems to be like God then or head pop the to this people then that it need to ordain them first before they can become a king.[/s]

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EVIDENCE Please?? ?? ??

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particularly for the Yoruba one in your listing.

Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin.

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All this first ruler came from already well governed kingdom of Benin. And I can prove every single one of them to you!

Jameseddi1:
[s]Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin.

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All this first ruler came from already well governed kingdom of Benin. And I can prove every single one of them to you![/s]

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EVIDENCE Please?? ?? ??

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particularly for the Yoruba one in your listing.

Jameseddi1:


And how come same century they ended Benin empire that was the same century lagos stop the tribute?

Please which Geographical part of Lagos are you referring to because 95 % of Awori never had any Business with Benin at all

You do know that when the British Arrived all mainland Lagos and Iddo with ,Lekki were fiefdoms of Egba Abeokuta and Ijebuland and under their Control

christistruth01:
Please which Geographical part of Lagos are you referring to because 95 % of Awori never had any Business with Benin at all

You do know that when the British Arrived mainland Lagos and Iddo ,Lekki were fiefdoms of Egba Abeokuta and Ijebuland

It doesn’t matter which part.

No part paid tribute of “conquest” to Benin.

The old account state Eko paid a tribute of gratitude.

And that was initiated by Ashipa for the Benin’s help.

The early account is clear. Eko was NEver conquered.

Cheers.

TAO11:

It doesn’t matter which part.

No part paid tribute of conquest to Benin.

The old account statea it was a tribute of gratitude.

And that was initiated by Ashipa for the Benin’s help.

Cheers.

Tao11 I know but I want him to restrict the argument to the exact Geographical location of Isale Eko Where the Oba of Lagos was a Slave Trade Babaloja and was only sending Oba of Benin his Share of royalties from the Slave Market

That way it would be easier to understand that what he is calling Tribute was not paid by the Awori but was slave market returns to t

So that wil restrict the Geographical Space being argued over since Yesterday


It is like Oba Sabo sending money from Cattle Sales to the Emir of Kano and then Claiming that Ibadan paid Tribute to kano

christistruth01:
Tao11 I know but I want him to restrict the argument to Isale Eko Where the Oba of Lagos was a Babaloja and was only sending Oba of Benin his royalties from the Slave Market


So that wil restrict the Geographical Space being argued over since Yesterday

I get.

But you know they’re not bright.

They’re happy to quickly misconstrue you.

You have to be more than clear with these liars

So, while restricting it to the appropriate place (isale-Eko), you must also state what exactly happened per the old accounts:

(1) There was no conquest on Eko.

(2) Bini and others settled by asking for permission.

(3) Ashipa (a Yorùbá) courted the immigrants support

(4) He made remittance to the Benin king for the help

TAO11:
I get.

But you know they’re not bright.

They’re happy to quickly misconstrue you.

You have to be more than clear with these liars

So, while restricting it to the appropriate place (isale-Eko), you must also state what exactly happened per the old accounts:

(1) There was no conquest on Eko.

(2) Bini and others settled by asking for permission.

(3) Ashipa (a Yorùbá) courted the immigrants support

(4) He made remittance to the Benin king for the help

Yes Tao11 the Oba of Benin was the Oba of Lagos Political Godfather
Isale Eko was a big Slave Market

To be honest Tao11 the money sent to the Oba of Lagos was blood money Royalties for his help in facilitating the Slave Trade at Isale Eko and Certainly not Tribute from the Awori

And it’s not exactly as the example you cited.

Yes, I know what you mean and they know it too.

But they’re always more than happy to take advantage of any vague expression you use.

Hence the need for extreme clarity when dealing with Benin fraudsters & revisionists.

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The person who initiated the remittances (Ashipa) has no descent from Benin whatsoever.

That’s the aspect you must always stress if you choose this analogy again next time.

He initiated it (based on agreement) as an expression of gratitude for the Benin help he received.

Cheers

christistruth01:
Yes Tao11 the Oba of Benin was the Oba of Lagos Political Godfather
Isale Eko was a big Slave Market

To be honest Tao11 the money sent to the Oba of Lagos was blood money Royalties for his help in facilitating the Slave Trade at Isale Eko and Certainly not Tribute from the Awori

Yes we both agree that it’s for appreciation.

But it wasn’t appreciation for facilitating slave trade.

It was initiated by Ashipa as a gratitude for being his patron when he (Ashipa) desired to found the kingship

Ashipa himself is Awori from Isheri-Olofin<sup>.1

1</sup>The Isheri-Olofin which is along the Ogun-River, not the newly named one which used to be Isheri-Idimu.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01

Ok
Tao11 Ashipa was the Ashipa of Isheri

It was Greed that made him to use cunning Cunning to liaise with the Oba of Benin and he didn't even live to enjoy the fruits of his Treachery

Wasn't it because of the Slave Trade with the Portuguese that the Benin was interested in the Lagos Isale Eko in the first place

christistruth01:
Tao11 Ashipa was the Ashipa of Isheri

It was Greed that made him to use cunning Cunning to liaise with the Oba of Benin and he didn't even live to enjoy the fruits of his Treason

Of course there are no two Ashipa’s in the Lagos area at the time.

He was invited from Isheri by the Olofin himself — he was called upon to mediate between his children.

After doing a good job of mediation/apportionment, he also established the Eko monarchy for himself via the support of the immigrants and one of their king.

TAO11:
Of course there are no two Ashipa’s in the Lagos area at the time.

He was invited from Isheri by the Olofin himself — he was called upon to mediate between his children.

After doing a good job of mediation/apportionment, he also establishes the Eko monarchy for himself via the support of the immigrants and one of their king.

That Ashipa was a bit of an Afonja
The good thing was that the Awori didn't give him face and maintained their Stand that Lagos was Aworiland

Unlike the Other Afonja that his followers tried to bring down their own Oyo Kingdom

christistruth01:
That Ashipa was a bit of an Afonja
The good thing was that the Awori didn't give him face
Unlike the Other Afonja that his followers tried to bring down their own Oyo Kingdom

Lol.

But the difference here is that:

He wasn’t allowed right to land anywhere on the island except back at Isheri though.

Moreover, all his “younger cousins” — i.e. the Olofin’s children whom he came to mediate for — are all part of his government till date.

Cheers.
Cc: christistruth01

TAO11:
Lol.

But the difference here is that:

He wasn’t allowed right to land anywhere on the island except back at Isheri though.

Moreover, all his “younger cousins” — i.e. the Olofin’s children whom he came to mediate for — are all part of his government till date.

Cheers.
Cc: christistruth01

If you read about Oba Ehengbuda of Benin it looks like it was the Ijebus that attacked and drowned he and his entourage at Lekki

christistruth01:
If you read about Oba Ehengbuda of Benin it looks like it was the Ijebus that attacked and drowned he and his entourage at Lekki

By all indications, it appears he drowned during their first attempt to occupy Lagos by force.

The Lagos account recalls clearly that the Benins were humiliated and defeated during that attempt.

That their Ọba lost his life in the course of that attack is the most apparent explanation.

There are songs till date which recalls the bravery of the Olofin and how he fought as the Olofin he is.

They try to mask his death (in their Benin tradition) as a mere accident. LMAO.

After all the conflict, a period of peace followed, and they did what others did — that is to seek permission to land from the owners to set up their trade colony.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01

TAO11:

By all indications, it appears he drowned during their first attempt to occupy Lagos by force.

The Lagos account recalls clearly that the Benins were humiliated during that attempt.

That their King lost is life in the course of that attack is the most apparent explanation.

There are songs till date which depicts the bravery of the Olofin and how he fought as the Olofin he is.

They try to mask his death (in their Benin tradition) as a mere accident) lmao.

After all the conflict, a period of peace followed, and they did what others did which is to seek permission to land from the owners to set up their trade colony.

Cheers.

Cc: Christistruth01

So you think it was the Olofin and his men that did it because some accounts say he died leading a War party around Lekki Lagoon

And you know that the Benin will never want to say the Awori killed their Oba In a War but from the details from different sources that seems to be what happened and from then on
Benin Oba's didn't lead War Parties anymore
At least not Officially

christistruth01:
So you think it was the Olofin and his men that did it because some accounts say he died leading a War party around Lekki

And you know that the Benin will never want to say the Awori killed their Oba

Of course, the attack was on Eko itself.

But other Yorùbá kingdoms and peoples would have been involved in the beating received by the Binis.

The Ijebus being neighbors and relations would have also contributed its army to the Olofin’s use.

In fact, there are Ibadan traditions which states that a certain Lagelu was one of the Ife warriors despatched to fight under the Olofin for that purpose.

Cc: christistruth01

And you know that the Benin will never want to say the Awori killed their Oba In a War but from the details from different sources that seems to be what happened and from then on
Benin Oba's didn't lead War Parties anymore
At least not Officially

Exactly!

And that’s why they covered it up by saying it was just an accident.

Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:





Tao11 I know but I want him to restrict the argument to the exact Geographical location of Isale Eko Where the Oba of Lagos was a Slave Trade Babaloja and was only sending Oba of Benin his Share of royalties from the Slave Market

That way it would be easier to understand that what he is calling Tribute was not paid by the Awori but was slave market returns to t

So that wil restrict the Geographical Space being argued over since Yesterday


It is like Oba Sabo sending money from Cattle Sales to the Emir of Kano and then Claiming that Ibadan paid Tribute to kano

I guess you are still proving some point here but Tao11 is still finding all necessary mean to twist it, Tao11 you seems to be professional in twisting history did you study it?

Jameseddi1:
[s]I guess you are still proving some point here but Tao11 is still finding all necessary mean to twist it, Tao11 you seems to be professional in twisting history did you study it?[/s]

gregyboy, is this the best you can do? Haha

Jameseddi1:


I guess you are still proving some point here but Tao11 is still finding all necessary mean to twist it, Tao11 you seems to be professional in twisting history did you study it?

Kindly Go and sit down

We are busy Confirming if it was the Awori or Ijebus that attacked and Killed Oba Ehengbuda of Benin at Lekki

christistruth01:



Kindly Go and sit down

We are busy Confirming if it was the Awori or Ijebus that attacked and Killed Oba Ehengbuda of Benin at Lekki

Killing Oba Benin then paying tribute to Oba of Benin lol

After you killed him then you started paying tribute to him?

Jameseddi1:
[s]Killing Oba Benin then paying tribute to Oba of Benin lol

After you killed him then you started paying tribute to him?[/s]

Killing a Benin king that wanted war?? YES

Appreciating another Benin king (some100 years later) who helped Ashipa?? YES.

What do you not understand ? Oh I know what you do not understand.

And that’s the meaning of the English word “tribute”

Cheers

Cc: christistruth01

TAO11:
Killing a Benin king that wanted war?? YES

Appreciation another Benin king (some100 years later) who helped Ashipa?? YES.

What do you not understand ?
Oh I know. The meaning of tribute is what you do not understand.

Cheers

Who kill this king? Don’t tell me is uncolonized ungorvern uneducate uncivilized people with no ruler… please save the lie for your child.

A place that have no king have no general have no army how were they now able to kill Oba?