tctrills:

Please read verse 31. Also, you are quite wrong. here we are talking about the vow her father made. We are not told that the girl made any vow. Just read the chapter and save us the time

Truvelisback:
The girl didn't make any vow. I'm letting u know that it is against God's word(His own word) to accept human as sacrifice. If u read well, she bewailed her virginity, not her death. And she knew no man. That was the same reason when God tested Abraham to kill his only son(only child) and offer him as sacrifice. When Abraham wanted to do so, God stopped him and provided a Ram instead.

tctrills:
Yes Jephthah's action was contrary to what is written in the verses you quoted so what is your point?

tctrills:
Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21, and 2 Kings 21:6 are all contrary to Jephthah's action.

tctrills:
I really want to know what you are getting at.

tctrills:
I have read all these verses before I even brought up the topic.

tctrills:
The only reason I brought this up is because Jephthah's actions were not in line with other teachers.

tctrills:
Are you saying that Judges 11 is not part of the bible?

NNTR:
So you do see the point that Jephthah clearly is familiar with and equally aware of Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21 and 2 Kings 21:6 then

There's no conflict of interest whatsoever between Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21, and 2 Kings 21:6 and Jephthah's action.

Both the first and second promises that Jephthah made in his veiled forked coded vows did not, in anyway, come into conflict with Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21, and 2 Kings 21:6 because Jephthah's intended action had nothing to do with a dead sacrifice of a fellow human being

You dont want to know the truth. What you really want to know and what you're getting at, is digging your heels in to the ground believing lies, that Jephthah sacrificed another person, his daughter as a burning sacrifice to God

When reading all the verses, you didnt pay meticulous attention to every detail of the verses. If you did, you wouldnt have brought up the topic.

The only one word reason, you brought this up is not because Jephthah's actions were not in line with other teachers, it is because of ignorance (i.e. meaning, your lack of knowledge of the significant facts in the bible passage)

Now watch this tctrills. What Jephthah did in Judges 11:31 was to combine two vows, which to an untrained or unsuspecting eyes, like yours, appears on the surface, to look as if its just one straight vow.

Judges 11:31, as a matter of fact and truth, is a coded message verse, wrapping up and holding within it, two vows.

Judges 11:31
Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me,
when I return in peace from the children of Ammon,
shall surely be the LORD'S,
and I will offer 'IT' up for a burnt offering.

Vow number 1:
"whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S"

Vow Number 2:
"and I will offer 'IT' up for a burnt offering."

Listen to this tctrills, Judges 11:31, in relation to the two vows, is explained like this:

Referring to Vow number 1:
Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S (i.e. meaning, whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet Jephthah, will be given over to God, as a living sacrifice that's devoted to service)

Referring to Vow number 2:
Better still, if it happens to be an 'IT' (i.e. meaning, if it happens to be an animal AND NOT a human being, then Jephthah, will offer 'IT', the animal up for a burnt offering sacrifice.)

Vow number 2, served as, an extra or added bonus vow. Do you, now get it? Hmm?

Judges 11:34-37
³⁴When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter came out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy.
She was his one and only child; he had no other sons or daughters.
³⁵When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish.
“Oh, my daughter!” he cried out. “You have completely destroyed me! You’ve brought disaster on me!
For I have made a vow to the Lord, and I cannot take it back.”
³⁶And she said, “Father, if you have made a vow to the Lord,
you must do to me what you have vowed, for the Lord has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites.
³⁷But first let me do this one thing: Let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin

Smh at you. I am saying that Judges 11 is part of the bible, while your confusion about Jephthah and his daughter is not in the bible

tctrills, you can see from Judges 11:34-37 above, that when Jephthah's daughter came out to meet him, father and daughter instantly knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy, meaning that, Jephthah's daughter now never will marry and she'll be sexually abstinent in addition to her dedication to God (i.e. as per the detail in vow number 1)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

tctrills:
The summary of it all, your understanding of scripture i's based on guess work and not the revealed word.

NNTR:
Proverbs 25:2
'It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
(i.e. It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them.
God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries)'

The bible, expects you give, yourself up, as a living human sacrifice to God. The bible does not endorse, whether dead or living, you give someone else up, as a human sacrifice to God.

Now tctrills, I am sure you dont have sawdust for a brain, because that gray matter inside your head, isn't serving just as an ornament, only to decorate your body with. No, but we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift of a brain to positively make use of, for a purpose, for a reason and for such times as these

Or now that you made this such a crass and classless comment, is this a case, that perhaps, you are suffering from an occasional bout of acute and penetrative crab mentality. Hmm?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Proverbs 25:2
'It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
(i.e. It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them.
God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries)'

The bible, expects you give, yourself up, as a living human sacrifice to God. The bible does not endorse, whether dead or living, you give someone else up, as a human sacrifice to God.

Now tctrills, I am sure you dont have sawdust for a brain, because that gray matter inside your head, isn't serving just as an ornament, only to decorate your body with. No, but we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift of a brain to positively make use of, for a purpose, for a reason and for such times as these

Or now that you made this such a crass and classless comment, is this a case, that perhaps, you are suffering from an occasional bout of acute and penetrative crab mentality. Hmm?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

tctrills:
Oga, you are confussed. You just replaced the scripture with your personal movie script.
I commend you though, you have a very creative mind

tctrills:
The bible says 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph(A) from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.

tctrills:
I can imagine the time and effort it took you to come up with your own version of events.

If you have problems understanding what the passage said, you don't need to go through such stress to create your personal narrative.

You could have said you don't understand. Simple.
Haba. I too know

ANTIlSLAM:


But I asked you several times to tell me who is speaking in this your Quran verse, rather you're dodging and avoiding to answer the question..


Quran 19:33

Muhammad Ahmed & Samira

And the security/peace (was) on me (on the) day I was born, and (the) day I die, and (the) day I be sent/resurrected/revived alive

I will ask you again; WHO IS SPEAKING IN QURAN 19:33?

A. Muhammad

B. Allah

C. Jesus

D. Gabriel

E. None of the above

NB: Choose the best answer from the options given, No super story.

cornelboy:
Who Muslims de sacrifice ram to every year

Sacrifice Jesus did is for our sin. Not just for our normal sins o, but the sin we all inherited from Adam. Of course it also works for our general sins. The sacrifice Jesus made is once and for all.

AntiChristian:


You brought the verse here so tell us who you think is speaking from the context!

AntiChristian:


All the sacrifice done by a Muslim is done to Allah in worship and are only compulsory if the person is capable financially! The yearly ram is in remembrance of Abraham who wanted to sacrifice his son but ended up with a ram. How is that same as human sacrifice by your God?

Any ritualist or yahoo person can also claim this. Killing people for others to progress can never come from God!

Moreso, Adam's sin is his. My sin is mine.
Did you inherit your dad's sins?
Did your dad inherit his dad's sins?

When did the inheritance stop exactly?

cornelboy:
You'll never learn. Adam had a perfect life, if he hadn't disobeyed God and sinned he would be living with us today. The sin made him lost everything and through him death and sin came to all mankind.

God created us to live on earth forever, that was His original purpose.

The bible warns that any sacrifices made are to demons, you sure say your god na God?
Jesus is the last sacrifice, it's once and for all.

So a ritualist that kills his fellow human for money or other purposes is same as God sending his son to die for our sin.
And remember Jesus was brutally tortured and killed but our loving and powerful almighty YHWH raised him up.


Ona no understand anything

AntiChristian:


You and Adam who sin pass? And have you lost everything?

You no go understand
I shouldn't be debating with you in the first place, cos the bible entirely differs from the Koran

Where did your God state this as you put? Did God know Adam would disobey Him?

Whether God knew or not, the fact is Adam disobeyed God and lost his privileges which includes eternal life.
God clearly warned that if they eat of the forbidden tree they will die

Did Abraham sacrifice to demons? We are simply copying Abraham who never worshiped three gods in one!

Jesus' death is the last sacrifice, once and for all.

Yes, they are similar. Without blood both can't save people.

Oga your an idiot sorry i have to use the word.
So God of Israel wey send Jesus to die and save mankind by giving us eternal life na ritualist abi?
Who yahoo boys Dem de save? Killing their fellow human na salvation right?
No be your Alfa de give them soap and tell them to bring human parts?

NNTR:
I could give you a lot of reasons or why God need to come down, but the long and short of it is that, it is out of love, as I earlier did advance that made Him come down

It is not unusual to pray to Oneself and/or one self

God said that
John 10:11
'I am the Good Shepherd.
The Good Shepherd lays down His [own] life for the sheep.'

John 10:18
'No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily.
For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again.'

As I earlier advanced, God, in the person of Jesus, laid down His life. He gave it willingly because He has the power to give it up and the power to receive it back again

God is described as I AM, that, I AM, meaning, God will become whatsoever is necessary, He be, in order to achieve His purpose. Meaning, God will slide through whatsoever is necessary, and let it be so and proper, in order to fulfil all righteousness

You obviously dont know or understanding what condescending is. Unlike you, God is Humble enough to do whatever is necessary for Him to come down to our level and rescue

If no has done that, then what gives them the right to kill and take another person's life then?

Great grand dads will wake up in the Resurrection

cornelboy:


You no go understand
I shouldn't be debating with you in the first place, cos the bible entirely differs from the Koran grin grin

Whether God knew or not, the fact is Adam disobeyed God and lost his privileges which includes eternal life.
God clearly warned that if they eat of the forbidden tree they will die

Jesus' death is the last sacrifice, once and for all.

Oga your an idiot sorry i have to use the word.
So God of Israel wey send Jesus to die and save mankind by giving us eternal life na ritualist abi?
Who yahoo boys Dem de save? Killing their fellow human na salvation right?
No be your Alfa de give them soap and tell them to bring human parts?

AntiChristian:
Of cos even your trinity is not understood by anyone. This is as far as the spirit leads you!

Have you ever argued with a Jehovah witness cos I'm one

Simple question you won't answer directly! He made one mistake and was condemned. You have made thousands of mistakes and you are not condemned. How is your God fair?

You don't get the full picture. Do you?
God's plan is to restore everything back to his initial purpose.
A time is coming where the world will be free of evil, sin, death, sickness, struggling etc.
Everything will be perfect.

A God that shed the blood of his son? What does God need son for in the first place? Is it to inherit Him when he die or what?

He did it out of love.
That's why Mohammed didn't have son?
Have you ever reasoned why Allah commanded Mohamed to marry Zaynab, Saeed's divorcee?
So that Mohammed will make an example to Muslims that they can marry their son's ex wife, that he, Allah permits it. And this same Allah prohibited Muslims from adopting sons.
Is that not something to you?

Between Allah and Mohammed who is more righteous?
Actually Mohammed didn't want to marry Zaynab though he loved her because he feared the people will talk against it. But Allah told him to go ahead and marry. Who's more chaste between Allah and Mohammed

The ultimate question is: is Allah the same God that Abraham walked with? Naaah!!

Anyone who kills people shedding their blood for others to progress is a ritualist. And i no get Alfa wey dey give soap and use human parts. You can check your Pastors with fake miracles. And was the idiotic abuse revealed to you by the holy spirit or was it sent by Jesus?

Did God literally killed Jesus? Is the killing of ram by Muslims not ritual?
Didnt the Jews kill animals for their sin before Christ came to die for our sins?
Learn oga
You can say whatever you like about the Holy spirit.

Truvelisback:
God doesn't accept human sacrifice. His daughter wasn't killed and used for sacrifice, rather she served the Lord all the days of her life without getting married and bearing children. It be came their custom.

NNTR:
If thats a source of wisdom and consolation for you, then so be it

Whatever the depth, this hole you've digging yourself and climbing down in to, just know that there's a way out of it, and the way to safely climb out of the hole, is by conceding that this one verse did give evidence of human sacrifice, albeit none of your fantasy burnt offering for that matter, but it was a perpetual living sacrifice performed by Jephthah's daughter, until death (i.e. the rest of her life

Do you notice how you evaded answering the question, asking if you, believe that Jephthah wasnt familiar with and wasnt aware of Deuteronomy 12:31, Deuteronomy 18:10, Leviticus 18:21 and 2 Kings 21:6? Hmm?

I am leaving for you, to toy and play with in your mind, that important it word, that I underlined in Judges 11:31 above, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

LordReed:


This is funny. Why would Jephthah be sad to the point of ripping his own clothes if it was just celibacy his daughter was going to endure? Why didn't Samuel's mother become sad when she gave him up? You are just trying to shield yourself from what is evident, the daughter was made a burnt offering.

And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

Even the girl understood what was going to happen.

36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites.

PastorAIO:


And in the wider community nobody was shocked. Nobody tried to stop it. The maidens even commemorated it yearly.

When yhwh told Abram to kill Isaac he wasn’t shocked. Almost as if this was just business as usual.

AntiChristian:
So He can't express love from wherever He is?

AntiChristian:
Isn't He All-Powerful?

AntiChristian:
Mention those you've seen pray to themselves?

AntiChristian:
1. God is not Jesus according to your Bible. John 3:16 says God sent his son not God sent himself.
2. Luke also said in Acts 3:13 Jesus was a servant of God
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.
3. In John 17:3 Jesus said he was sent mentioning two persons separately with[b]and[/b] "Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
4. In John 20:17 "Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”

Jesus get God who is our God too!

When Jesus was on the cross he allegedly said My God, My God, why have you forsaken me? He would have been crazy referring to himself in that way!

AntiChristian:
My God can not become shit if it's necessary as it does not befit His majesty!

AntiChristian:
Why does God need to come down to our level? And can't he send messengers and Prophets as he did before?

AntiChristian:
Since your God showed them the example by sending his son to be killed for others to progress, that's the right you gave them ritualist to kill and save people with blood.

AntiChristian:
Vicarious atonement! Blood!

LordReed:
This is funny.

LordReed:
Why would Jephthah be sad to the point of ripping his own clothes if it was just celibacy his daughter was going to endure?

LordReed:
Why didn't Samuel's mother become sad when she gave him up?

LordReed:
You are just trying to shield yourself from what is evident, the daughter was made a burnt offering.

And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord:
“If you give the Ammonites into my hands,
31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

LordReed:
Even the girl understood what was going to happen.

36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites.

PastorAIO:
And in the wider community nobody was shocked. Nobody tried to stop it. The maidens even commemorated it yearly.

PastorAIO:
When yhwh told Abram to kill Isaac he wasn’t shocked. Almost as if this was just business as usual.

NNTR:
Deuteronomy 12:28-32a

Why would anyone want to stop your imaginary human being burnt offering sacrifice

N

PastorAIO:
Your problem is not my imaginary human sacrifice.

PastorAIO:
It is Ezekiel’s message from yhwh stating clearly that yhwh purposely gave them statutes

Indeed he is a liar and misinformation is a be of the tools in his arsenals for leading prey like you astray.

PastorAIO:
I notice how deftly you avoided addressing Ezekiel 20:25

NNTR:
Take ownership of the imagined human sacrifice problem you created and stop passing the buck

Romans 1:28
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or consider Him worth knowing [as their Creator], God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things which are improper and repulsive,

Its not unusual to give people up or give them over to worthless things, so they be free to indulge in their whims and caprices or whatnot of no values. Look at Satan for example, look at Judas, look at Pharaoh etc, loll

There is nothing to address in Ezekiel 20:25, but if you want to, then lets go there.

Warn you, though, that I'll put your head under water, so make sure you can swim, if not bring along a life jacket. Be ready to contextually take Ezekiel 20:25 apart.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
It wasnt funny to Jephthah though

Jephthah was sad to the point of ripping his own clothes, because he found out he had miscalculated. He did factor in that it will be his daughter who will first come out to greet him.

Jephthah, in the second part of the vow, as an afterthought was actually expecting to see an animal meet him

Samuel's mother (i.e. Hannah) couldn't have been sad because with the blessing of her husband Elkanah, she willing to keep the promise she made, that Samuel will belong to the Lord his whole life serving Him

I have helped underlined one of the most significant detail in Judges 11:31

The girl understood that what was going to happen to her, is chastity and be dedicated to God's service, the fulfilling of the first vow.

The second vow, has nothing to do with her, being that she isnt an animal.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

PastorAIO:
2Kings 23:20
And he sacrificed all the priests of the high places who were there, on the altars, and burned human bones on them. Then he returned to Jerusalem.

LordReed:
LoL

LordReed:
was it chastity Jephthah promised the god or a burnt sacrifice.

LordReed:
Please show me another place in the bible were a person is ripping their clothes of because off chastity. Bwahahahahaha!