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Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 2:01pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: I won't be choosing how my daughters intend to live their lives as adults so I would totally support any reasonable decision they make including celibacy. It was both. The former concerning a human being and the latter concerning an animal LoL there was no dichotomy, that is you trying to be too clever by half. Wouldnt make a difference if I should Would make all the difference but you can't because the story is she was roasted for your god. LMAO! 1 Like |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 2:08pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: The were human priests. They were sacrificed by Yahweh's favoured king. 2 Kings 22 1Josiah was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-one years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Jedidah the daughter of Adaiah of Bozkath. 2 And he did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and walked in all the way of David his father, and he did not turn aside to the right or to the left. They weren't just killed, they were sacrificed on the altar. You're still running away from Ezekiel 20:25 If that one is too hard for you to digest try this smaller morsel. After all mendacity is not as bad as human sacrifice. 1Kings 22 23Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the LORD has declared disaster for you.” When your expectations for redemption come from the promises of a liar, ol boy you're lost. No hope for you. And na inside gutter you go kpai! 2 Likes |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 5:07pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
LordReed:Jephthah raised up, trained and taught a good daughter LordReed:The devil is, in the, IT detail LordReed:In your dreams and fantasy world she was Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 5:07pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
PastorAIO:2 Kings 23:1-20 1King Josiah sent word and they brought to him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem. 2The king went up to the house of the LORD, and with him all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the priests, the prophets, and all the people, both small and great; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house (temple) of the LORD. 3The king stood by the pillar and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD and to keep His commandments, His testimonies, and His statutes with all his heart and soul, to confirm the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people entered into the covenant. 4Then the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest and the priests of the second rank and the doorkeepers to bring out of the temple of the LORD all the articles made for Baal, for [the goddess] Asherah, and for all the [starry] host of heaven; and he burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron, and carried their ashes to Bethel [where Israel’s idolatry began]. 5He got rid of the idolatrous priests whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense [to pagan gods] in the high places in Judah’s cities and all around Jerusalem--also those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun, to the moon, to the constellations [of the zodiac], and to all the [starry] host of heaven. 6Josiah brought out the Asherah from the house of the LORD to the Brook Kidron outside Jerusalem, and burned it there, and ground it to dust, and threw its dust on the graves of the common people [who had sacrificed to it]. 7And he tore down the houses of the [male] cult prostitutes, which were at the house (temple) of the LORD, where the women were weaving [tent] hangings for the Asherah [shrines]. 8Then Josiah brought all the [idolatrous] priests from the cities of Judah, and desecrated the high places where the priests had burned incense [to idols], from Geba to Beersheba, [that is, north to south]; and he tore down the high places of the gates which were at the entrance of the gate of Joshua the governor of the city, which were on one’s left at the city gate. 9However, the priests of the high places were not allowed to go up to the altar of the LORD in Jerusalem [to serve], but they ate unleavened bread among their brothers. 10Josiah also defiled Topheth, which is in the Valley of Ben-hinnom (son of Hinnom), so that no man could make his son or his daughter pass through the fire [as a burnt offering] for Molech. 11And he got rid of the horses that the kings of Judah had given [in worship] to the sun at the entrance of the house of the LORD, by the chamber of Nathan-melech the official, which was in the annex; and he burned the chariots of the sun. 12The altars [dedicated to the starry host of heaven] which were on the roof, the upper chamber of Ahaz, which the kings of Judah had made, and the altars which Manasseh had made in the two courtyards of the house of the LORD, the king tore down; and he smashed them there and threw their dust into the Brook Kidron. 13The king desecrated the high places which were opposite [east of] Jerusalem, which were on the right (south) of the mount of corruption which Solomon the king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the repulsiveness of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the repulsiveness of Moab, and for Milcom the repulsiveness of the sons (descendants) of Ammon. 14He broke in pieces the sacred pillars (cultic memorial stones, images) and cut down the Asherim and replaced them with human bones [to desecrate the places forever]. 15Further, the altar that was at Bethel, the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel sin, had made, even that altar and the high place he tore down. Then he demolished its stones, ground them to dust, and burned the Asherah. 16And as Josiah turned, he saw the graves that were there on the mountain, and he sent men and had the bones taken from the graves, and burned them on the altar and [thereby] desecrated it, in accordance with the word of the LORD which the man of God prophesied, who proclaimed these things [about this altar, naming Josiah before he was born]. 17Then Josiah said, “What is this monument (gravestone) that I see?” The men of the city told him, “It is the grave of the man of God who came from Judah and proclaimed these things which you have done to the altar of Bethel.” 18He said, “Let him alone; let no one disturb his bones.” So they left his bones undisturbed, with the bones of the prophet who came from Samaria. 19Josiah also removed all the houses of the high places which were in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made provoking the LORD [to anger]; and he did to them just as he had done [to those] in Bethel. 20All the priests of the high places who were there he slaughtered on the altars, and burned human bones on them [to desecrate the places forever]. Then he returned to Jerusalem. Running away? What a daft thing to imagine and say, on top of when I've earlier put forward to you Exodus 32:7-28, so you can see confirmed what happens to idolators. See how you found it hard to admit what the calibre of priests were that King Josiah killed. You couldn't engage your brain to see that the priests were idolators. They, essentially were priests turned bad Of course they are human priests, or were you expecting them to be animal priests God doesnt take delight in human beings, offered as burning sacrifices. No human being has offered God, approved human burning sacrifice. God has never accepted any human beings, offered as burning sacrifices. God finds the practice not only to be repulsively but its a stupid thing to do. God intervened before Abraham got to sacrifice his son Isaac. It is living human being sacrifice that God accepts and approves of, not some dead burnt human sacrifice. If you support human being sacrifice, then put yourself up for it and not somebody else Its hardened reprobates, scoundrels and rogues like you, who set a bad example for others, occupying the good office of pastor and give them a bad name Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 5:23pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: The fantasy dreamer here is you. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 5:40pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
LordReed:Judges 11:30-31 30And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” The vow Jephthah were two vows rolled up as one. Whatever comes out represents anything, however, the red underlined, 'it', represents a clean animal I am sure you wouldn't want being henceforth called or addressed as 'it', so please rein in the larking about. The 'it', is in the detail and the 'it', makes a great deal of difference to Judges 11:31 Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 5:56pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: The It means he thought it would be an animal yet did not change his mind when he saw it was his daughter, there was no dichotomy. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 5:58pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: No matter the calibre, whether ido-later or Ido-sooner, The point which seems to be flying over your head is that they were sacrificed! Now it is possible that you are confused because of the bible translations that you are reading because the translators sanitised the text. The Hebrew says that he Way yiz bah the priests. Way yiz bah means to sacrifice. Not to punish by death. To sacrifice. If anyone wants to confirm they can see it in this concordance. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/vaiyizbach_2076.htm Genesis 31:54 HEB: וַיִּזְבַּ֨ח יַעֲקֹ֥ב זֶ֙בַח֙ NAS: Then Jacob offered a sacrifice KJV: Then Jacob offered sacrifice INT: offered Jacob A sacrifice Genesis 46:1 HEB: בְּאֵ֣רָה שָּׁ֑בַע וַיִּזְבַּ֣ח זְבָחִ֔ים לֵאלֹהֵ֖י NAS: to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices KJV: to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices INT: came to Beersheba and offered sacrifices to the God Numbers 22:40 HEB: וַיִּזְבַּ֥ח בָּלָ֖ק בָּקָ֣ר NAS: Balak sacrificed oxen and sheep, KJV: And Balak offered oxen and sheep, INT: sacrificed Balak oxen everywhere in the Hebrew bible where you see wayyizbah they translate it as sacrifice. Only in 2Kings when Josiah sacrifices the priests that's when your translators deceive you and say 'slaughtered'. But Mendacity is what is to be expected. It shows that they know their evil but they want to hide it. Like you avoid points made and ramble nonsensically in the hope of derailing the point. The point to be clear: Josiah, Yhwh's favoured King, Sacrificed Priests on the altars. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 6:07pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: Look at this one. Yet before he can forgive your sins unless Jesus of nazareth is sacrificed Abi? Hebrew 9 22Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. 2 Likes |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by jamesid29(m): 6:30pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
PastorAIO: @bolded is not really correct sir. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 6:40pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
PastorAIO: Discussing with NNTR, you will find that when you assert that two plus two is four, you will be required to actually draw two apples on one side, then draw two apples on the other side, and count them and show that there are now four apples. Sadly, after doing this, you will find this poster repeatedly ask you just how two plus two is actually four. Poker faced, this poster will say you have shown no such thing, and at the last minute is likely to insult you for saying that you have shown that two plus two is four. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 6:44pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
PastorAIO:Jeremiah 7:31 'They have built pagan shrines at Topheth, the garbage dump in the valley of Ben-Hinnom, and there they burn their sons and daughters in the fire. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed My mind to command such a thing!' 2 Kings 17:17 They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire and practiced divination and soothsaying. They devoted themselves to doing evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger. 1 Kings 13:1-3 1Now behold, there came a man of God from Judah to Bethel by the word (command) of the LORD, while Jeroboam was standing by the altar [which he had built] to burn incense. 2The man cried out against the [idolatrous] altar by the word of the LORD, “O altar, altar, thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, a son shall be born to the house of David, Josiah by name; and on you shall he sacrifice [the bodies of] the priests of the high places who burn incense on you, and human bones shall be burned on you.’” 3And he gave a sign the same day, saying, “This is the sign which the LORD has spoken: ‘Behold, the altar shall be split apart and the ashes that are on it shall be poured out.’” In your quackness, dumbness and pointless self, you fail to grasp and understand that God is completely against humans, being offered up as a dead burning sacrifice. Get this fact and truth set in the bone framework enclosing your brain please Look at you, making a fool of yourself playing very hard trying to explain a non-existent event by proof-texting one single verse of the bible and another single verse. Duh, did king Josiah say he made the sacrifices to God? Answer nah. Smh. If anyone wants to confirm they can check any concordance, to see that, it was desecrate (i.e. inverse of sacrifice) that king Josiah did Its only an arrant nonsense, fake paistor like you, who wouldnt know that king Josiah's act of desecration (i.e. embarrassed the bad priests by killing them all and leaving them as sacrifices on their fake gods' altars) was prophesied well before he was born Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 6:44pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
LordReed:You're woefully mistaken because God doesnt accept anything short of firsthand human sacrifice and on top of that, God even doest accept human being burnt offering sacrifices Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 6:57pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
jamesid29: Kindly correct me please |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 7:01pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
DeepSight:Look what the cat dragged in, the alter-ego, galloping in to the rescue, loll. It will please you and your alter-ego, to know that, I dont suffer the both of you gladly. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 7:02pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: PastorAIO:Smh, I give up. Blind as a bat. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 7:12pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: And this is a response to something so self-evidently fundamental to the Christian faith - the indisputable fact that Christ is said to have been offered up as a sacrifice for sins? In response to that being pointed out, you shamefully attempt to pretend the poser is too stupid to countenance, and accuse the poster of being "blind as a bat," while therefore throwing up your hands in surrender. Cringe-worthy, but nothing new. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by jamesid29(m): 7:13pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
PastorAIO:2 Chronicles 18:2 |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 7:23pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: LordReed:Hip hop hooray, ho, hey, ho, hey, ho, hey, ho, hey. Give it up for naughty by nature, there's light inside the end of the tunnel. You slowly but surely have conceded that Jephthah in his calculation and afterthought, was actually expecting an animal to come meet and greet him, not his daughter LordReed:Do you use it for your darling daughters or other females in your family, work place or even community in general? C'mon say the truth, and let the devil remain being a liar Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 7:27pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
jamesid29: The Hebrew word used there is zabah, it is of a primitive root and I quote from the concordance - "to slaughter an animal (usually in sacrifice): kill, offer, sacrifice, do sacrifice, slay." Can you expand on your point? |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 7:35pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
DeepSight:Smh, doesnt even know what a figure of speech is. Pfft So we have tag team going on here, with you and your alter ego alternatingly hand slapping each other to get in, loll What part of firsthand sacrifice dont you understand? God sacrificing Himself, apart from being a firsthand sacrifice is completely different from sacrifices involving abducting, kidnapping, stealing, bundling up into a car or snatching another human being to commit nefarious and selfish activities often for financial gains. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 7:41pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: God sacrificing himself to himself to forgive us our sins. Right. 1 Like |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 7:46pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
DeepSight:It choke you, like a fishbone in the throat, loll. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
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Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by jamesid29(m): 7:47pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
DeepSight:Kindly refer to pastorAi's assertion for context. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 7:51pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
jamesid29: Yes I did sir. And he said this - PastorAIO: everywhere in the Hebrew bible where you see wayyizbah they translate it as sacrifice. Only in 2Kings when Josiah sacrifices the priests that's when your translators deceive you and say 'slaughtered'. - Which you then bolded and said - @ bolded is not really correct sir He then asked you to please correct him, and you responded by citing 2 Chronicles 18:2. I then picked up my concordance and saw that the word used there was zabah. So how does your citing this verse show that he is "not really correct" in his statement above? Unless i am missing something, glad to be corrected, thanks. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 7:52pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
jamesid29:Shouldnt be hard to do, loll. Alter ego loading ... Please wait, loll Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 7:55pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: Not surprising that you would ignore the obviously repugnant principle of propitiatory sacrifice for forgiveness of sins at play. A principle well established in scripture. No worries: I have come to understand the way you roll. Enjoy - its not peculiar to you. Its very familiar and often observed among religionists. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 8:10pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: DeepSight:Hebrews 10:5 That is why, when Christ came into the world, He said to God, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings. But you have given Me a body to offer. Your agbada has hooked barb wire, but be careful with you and your alter ego masquerade heading towards the expressway Watch this. I repeat, no human being has the right to unjustly kill another another human being. In fact, no human being has the right to kill another human being for personal and selfish financial gains. Now, if any human being, wants to or needs to kill another human being, then such human being should create their own human being, made from scratch, and with using raw materials, to kill or do as they deem fit. Hebrews 10:5 above? Pfft, not a chance of ice in hell, that will sink in. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 8:23pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
NNTR: LMAO! It's so funny that you are using semantics to try and wriggle your way out of this. This sentence: "Think twice before you co-sign a loan, no matter who it is", is a prime example that it can refer to a person so just stop this line of argument, kole werk. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by jamesid29(m): 8:31pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
DeepSight: Ok sir... Basically pastorAi's assertion was that the word wayyizbaḥ in 2 Kings 23:20 was exclusively used & translated as "To sacrifice" in every other place in English translations of the Hebrew Bible except in this particular instance with the story of Josiah & the priests. Translators chose to use "To slaughter" in an effort to deceive(his words) us. On its own, this is a misunderstanding of how modern (non secterian/ individualistic) translations work. But more importantly, for the purpose of our conversation, his assertion was a bit incorrect. 2 Kings 23:20 is not the only place wayyizbaḥ is not translated as "To sacrifice". Hope that helped sir |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 8:38pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
jamesid29: No, because 2 Chronicles 18:2 is not an example that helps you. The word there is different. It is zabah. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by jamesid29(m): 8:52pm On Feb 06, 2022 |
DeepSight:Actually it is wayyizbaḥ. The root word for wayyizbaḥ is zabah hence the "strong number". The form wayyizbaḥ only occurs about 15times, two of which are in 2kings and 2chronicles. You can pick up any good interlinear Bible to confirm. Even the link he(pastorAi) posted confirms it as well |
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