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Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 6:43pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
DeepSight:Nothing to explain other than what's already said that the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament, is a precursor, is a shadow of the genuine article DeepSight:I am going to cut to the chase with you. Is it, just, that you replace the normal.dot file in your Microsoft Word application, when the existing one in the application, is corrupt? DeepSight:Matthew 26:38-39 38He told them, “My soul is crushed with grief to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with Me.” 39He went on a little farther and bowed with His face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from Me. Yet I want your will to be done, not Mine.”' OR '38and He said to them, “I am so sad that I feel as if I am dying. Stay here and keep awake with Me.” 39Jesus walked on a little way. Then he knelt with His face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, don't make Me suffer by drinking from this cup. But do what you want, and not what I want.”' loll. Smh. I want to believe, you're arent making light of the ordeal Jesus went through. I said that, because Jesus, God Incarnate, meaning, God personified in human body flesh, meaning God come down to earth, meaning Jesus, the visible image of the invisible God while being lead to His death, was spat on. He was blindfolded, then repeatedly slapped, had missiles thrown at and struck on the head with all manners of blunt object. People along the street leading to Calvary, pulled out the hairs of His beard, as in, yanked out or ripped out His beard from His face, as He walked by, carrying His cross. Bible narratives, further, even said, Jesus was not just ordinarily beaten but that He was extraordinarily and gruesomely beaten up. He was that so beaten up beyond recognition, such that those that looked at Him in this state, recoiled back, horrified with shock at His appearance, because He was so disfigured that He didnt at all resemble a human being anymore, as in, He hardly at all, looked like a human being after the grievous bodily harm assault (GBH) on Him. He was fugly, literally was completely panel beaten up beyond ever being recognised to be a human being. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
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Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 6:44pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
DeepSight:I am not going to peacefully and soundly sleep any less, if not taking seriously. Now, my dear friend, brother and blood, loll, fyi, I dont punctuate using 'lol', what I use, is 'loll', and it is used consciously and intentionally. Strange that, I would never dream of requesting that you censor your posts, I would never dream of asking you to suppress your reactions to posts. As a further matter, I find it extremely amusing you being riled by my punctuating with 'loll' especially when laughter is a strong medicine, in fact, its a tonic for health. Laughter, fyi, asides, decreasing stress hormones, it increases immune cells and infection-fighting antibodies, and thus improves our resistance to disease, even a good laugh does one a world of good exercising the heart’s muscles, so that's some of the reasons behind why you see me, not miss a chance to 'laugh out loud literally' You should try loll too, so to reap the benefits of loll. Lighten up, just enjoy life more, with a smile more, laugh more, and don't get so rile up by it, loll. If tbh, some of your comments too, makes me resignedly smh loll, even this your Lie Mohammed role playing stunt, just takes the biscuit, loll. DeepSight:Hebrews 9:22-28 22In fact under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment]. 23Therefore it was necessary for the [earthly] copies of the heavenly things to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves required far better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him. If you know anything about the implication of bad blood, you wouldnt have made this your 'Why exactly is genuine repentance insufficient, why must blood-letting do the job of forgiveness?' gaffe comment What you, are, is in your DNA, is in your blood. Your blood has memory, that your DNA, yeah, it, comes from blood, loll. Your blood! DeepSight:Name me one perfect human being and without any sin whatsoever, dead or alive, that you've met, you've come across, you've read about, you know, you've known or you've heard about, loll? Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by TenQ: 7:08pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
DeepSight:You copied out just the conclusion and concluded that it didn't make sense. Speaking about appropriate punishment The Creator of Everything gave you an instruction and you blatantly refused, what do you think should be the punishment? Is it a Limited punishment or a Extraordinary Punishment? Read again the concept of the SCAPEGOAT. The scapegoat is one who serves the punishment due to the whole class. If God chose a scapegoat instead of you, should you not be grateful? Now God did not choose a human being to be a Scapegoat even though a human being was the guilty one, should humans not be grateful? The innocent life in the old testament is an animal NOT a human being. The purpose of the sacrifice of Christ are 1. Animals are not in the same class with humans this cannot be a suitable equivalent scapegoat. 2. No single human being is perfect enough to be a Scapegoat for another human being because he himself need atonement. Hence the need of a sinless person who can become the scapegoat: Christ Jesus. 3. The solution of God is an infinitely great (perhaps too expensive) substitute: Himself (because of Love) 4. What was required as an evidence of payment is NOT life but the BLOOD! Rev 1:5: "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him that loved us, and[b] washed us from our sins in his own blood,[/b] " Finally, the concept of the scapegoat came from the OLD Testament and NOT from pagan origin. Lev16:1-26 |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 7:11pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
Steep:This answer isnt sufficient enough for him DeepSight: TenQ:https://www.nairaland.com/6970625/does-bible-endorse-human-sacrifice/4#110355526 TenQ, as seen from above link+mention, earlier had amicably and capably given you a snapshot with supporting and instructive bible verses Hebrews 9:22, as I've previously up there shared, states that: In fact under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment]. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by Steep(m): 10:43pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
DeepSight:that is because the wages of sin is death. Justice demands that the price of sin be paid and justice is the nature of God. Just as God is Love so he is holy, righteous and just. God must execute judgment on sin his love does not cancel out his demand for justice and vice versa. And secondly this still does not answer why that "real sacrifice" is so necessary in the first place. Why is genuine repentance from sins insufficient?The power the temporary sacrifice was a of the real one that was to come. Genuine repentance is insufficient because justice demand the price of sin must be paid. This is called justice. Don't confuse mercy with justice, they are two different thing. Justice demand you pay the price of sin irrespective of whether you repent or not. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by Steep(m): 10:56pm On Feb 20, 2022 |
DeepSight 1. If somebody damages your property what do you do? It's either the person pays for the damages or you forgive the person and you pay for the damages. Right? which ever way damages must be paid. 2. For planes or rockets to move upward the law of gravity must be satisfied. Something must come down or be displaced. 3. When you gift someone something you pay a price for the gift. Basically, laws must be satisfied directly or indirectly. How much more divine law. God himself does not contradict himself because he is truth. Truth means no compromise, no contradiction. God's qualities such as righteousness, holiness, truth, justice, faithfulness, love, long-suffering, etc are what makes God who he is. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 9:09am On Feb 21, 2022 |
NNTR: What is the use of shadows and precursors ? ? ? Desist from such meaningless pursuits with us, lest we take you for either a nincompoop or a clown. I am going to cut to the chase with you. What sort of preposterous analogy is this? You had better sit up, lest we begin to upbraid and sanction you in a properly harsh manner. I said that, because Jesus, God Incarnate, meaning, God personified in human body flesh, meaning God come down to earth, This is blasphemy. Be warned, and take frightful notice, lest your name is recommended for the Lake of Fire on this account.
While truly sad, this sort of horrifying experience is by no means limited to Jesus alone. In fact, many have undergone similar or worse. Straighten up your back now as a man, and eschew sentimental thinking: lest we take you to the barracks for a flogging. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 9:11am On Feb 21, 2022 |
NNTR: Take caution lest we begin to mete out discipline to you. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by killyaselfie: 11:28am On Feb 21, 2022 |
DeepSight: You are one step away from calling him jackass. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by NNTR: 2:23pm On Feb 21, 2022 |
NNTR: DeepSight:I love discipline, loll DeepSight:Shadows and/or precursors are used to sensitize others to some real that's coming DeepSight:If being a nincompoop is what it takes or even being a clown, is what's required, I shall be become, that, I shall become, loll. DeepSight:I'll so much love that, loll DeepSight:Matthew 26:65 Then the high priest tore his clothing to show his horror and said, “Blasphemy! Why do we need other witnesses? You have all heard his blasphemy. Blasphemy, is a word, we use often for a topic and/or subject matter, which is not yet understood and even which we havent yet grasped DeepSight:Name me one perfect human being and without any sin whatsoever, dead or alive, that you've met, you've come across, you've read about, you know, you've known or you've heard about, loll? Notice how you couldn't get yourself to give an answer to the easy, direct, simple, harmless, innocent and straightforward question repeated up here again DeepSight:Smh, pfft. killyaselfie:I have been called worse. I've even being accused of being worse. If being a jackass is whats required, then let me be the the goat jackass of them all., loll. If called a jackass, I would gladly wear it, as a badge of honour Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 4:01pm On Feb 21, 2022 |
killyaselfie: O most lamentable and infernal goblin: thou neither hast the spirit of genial camaraderie nor recognizeth playful good humour, when it is afoot. Read again, and surely thou shouldest recognize it at once. Now quicken thy wits, lest we bring a rod to thy back, as it is written: A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey and a rod for the back of the fool - Proverbs 26:3 |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 4:14pm On Feb 21, 2022 |
NNTR: 1. That doesn't answer as to why the Israelites were required to make burnt offerings to Yahweh in the Old Testament. You should address yourself to the question in this way: did those burnt offerings serve as propitiation for their sins or not? 2. The answer you have given is dubious to the extent that you are trying to make out that the animal sacrifices of the OT were some sort of training or dress rehearsal for Christ's sacrifice when in fact they were fully intended to appease the barbaric pagan deity Yahweh at that time. 3. Such sacrifices were common throughout lands of the peoples of that region at that time, and the Israelites were simply no different. If being a nincompoop is what it takes or even being a clown, is what's required, I shall be become, that, I shall become, loll. Unlike you I have outgrown insults, and all of that was intended as a joke, which I thought you would see through. Blasphemy, is a word, we use often for a topic and/or subject matter, which is not yet understood and even which we havent yet grasped It is blasphemy to look at a fellow human being and begin to worship him as almighty God. Even Jesus warned against this. But since you worship a Jew, please do not ever look down on any others who also worship men. Name me one perfect human being and without any sin whatsoever, dead or alive, that you've met, you've come across, you've read about, you know, you've known or you've heard about, loll? 1. On what basis is it confidently asserted that Jesus was without sin? ? ? 2. So what if he was without sin. How does that answer the question. Oho, so your Yahweh is blood thirsty for pure sacrifices, is that what you are saying? |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by killyaselfie: 5:11pm On Feb 21, 2022 |
DeepSight: Sure. I’m sure NNTR also took it as a joke. Must be like the immaterial pixies only you understand. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 5:22pm On Feb 21, 2022 |
killyaselfie: Not just pixies, but also goblins, gnomes, fairies, elves, leprechauns, witches, wizards, black-cats, vampires, revenants, wili-wili, teke-teke, rakshasa and the like, a merry lot, you should get to know. . . . When you join us at Blåkulla! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockula |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 8:43am On Feb 22, 2022 |
DeepSight: John7 6Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. 8You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9After saying this, he remained in Galilee. 10But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up , not publicly but in private. Are telling untruths righteous now? I suppose so. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 8:51am On Feb 22, 2022 |
PastorAIO: LMAO! Jesus caught in a lie?! Tell me it ain't so! |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 9:11am On Feb 22, 2022 |
DeepSight: I have not failed to notice the tendency to resort to some technicality here or there that has nowt to do with the main thrust of an issue. The most salient and key arguments are ignored when 'they' have no answer, instead of putting their hands up and admitting it 'they' will respond with ... jamesid29: ... giving the impression that 'they' can't be bothered to talk anymore, in the most dismissive manner possible. But as soon as they (the same 'they', ie indoctrinated victims of yhwh) think they have found some small technicality to trip you up with they start to gush and write encyclopaedically sized posts, no matter how peripheral it is to the main subject matter. I have yet to see 'them' dance the twist to Ezekiel 20:25,26... A clear and open admission by Yhwh that he did indeed ask for human sacrifice . Filicide to be precise. 25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD. 1 Like |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 9:27am On Feb 22, 2022 |
jamesid29: jamesid29: Why borrow it? after all it is available online. I bring this up because I'm beginning to fear that the spirit of mendacity (a speciality of yhwh's) is at play. jamesid29: Please consider the word for mother, Iya. Then consider those spirits known in Yoruba as 'Our Mothers'. Iyaami Osoronga. because the ami is different does not mean that the word does not refer to the power of motherhood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyami_Aje jamesid29: I believe the problem may be that you don't understand what Etymology is. Etymology does not concern itself with the present day meaning of a word but rather with the origins of the word, allowing for the fact that meanings can change and the phonetic word of the sound can change too. Dictionaries do not give etymology but only pronunciation and present day meaning and usage. RC Abrahams dictionary does not go into the etymology of any words. My favourite example of how very different sounding words can have the same etymology is the case with 'James'. The name James is originally Iacov, a Hebrew name. Iacov is directly translated into English as Jacob. However it is translated into Italian as Iago, or Diego, or Tiago. In English while Jacob is use it also manifests as James which some consider to be a different word/name. All of these are irrelevant to the main point which is that yhwh required human sacrifice of children and clearly admits to this is in Ezekiel 20 25,26. However this is something that happens to be a pet interest of mine beyond this topic. It might help to consider the contexts in which the word ebo is used and how it is used, and what it refers to. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 10:48am On Feb 22, 2022 |
PastorAIO: Regrettably it is a familiar pattern among religionists of all colors, save perhaps some of the far eastern spiritual and meditative schools. One thing that never ceases to amaze me is the sheer ease with which they are able to dismiss and waltz past even the clearest verses, so long as they do not like them. I mean you can see a verse that reads "This stone is black" and poker faced, they will tell you that it actually means the stone is white - that is if they do not simply ignore the verse altogether even if you cite it a thousand times. These same will insist that all scripture is inspired by God. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 10:55am On Feb 22, 2022 |
PastorAIO: Yahweh is indeed no stranger to the arts of deceit and he is oft to be found even boasting of his prowess in this regard. All of these are irrelevant to the main point which is that yhwh required human sacrifice of children and clearly admits to this is in Ezekiel 20 25,26. And in this they struggle: being unable to reconcile the barbarous sacrificial practices of their religion with the alleged transcendental purity of their god. . . |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 11:06am On Feb 22, 2022 |
DeepSight: "But context, my dear sir. context! When the Holy Spirit is guiding you then you'll be given the context. If you understand the cultural context of the Hebrew language and it's grammatical structure then you'll understand that the stone is indeed white, after all have you not heard of sarcasm. Hebrew is a sarcastic language whereby when something is called white it is actually black". 1 Like |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by jamesid29(m): 8:07am On Feb 23, 2022 |
It is well... PastorAIO: |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 12:30pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
jamesid29: Actually it is not well. Not for anyone deceived by Yhwh. It is a dangerous game to play with an entity that is given to mendacity and lying. I see my people going to yhwh with an open heart, making honest enquiries of yhwh, and being led to their destruction thereby. Let this be a lesson in point that those who go to enquire from his prophets are liable to be lied to and deceived. 1Kings 22. The entire chapter. Jehoshaphat the king of Israel came to Judah to plan a war and of Course the first thing they will do is enquire from the prophets of yhwh. In a spirit of honest enquiry they approach yhwh's prophets. 12And all the prophets prophesied so and said, “Go up to Ramoth-gilead and triumph; the LORD will give it into the hand of the king.” .... ....19And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20and the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22And the LORD said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the LORD has declared disaster for you.” A god that can use his prophets to lie and cause disaster. A god that can give commands to sacrifice your first child, again with the express purpose of causing disaster. Is this what you are following? Is this the pit that my beautiful African brothers and sisters have fallen into? And they deeper they go into yhwh worship the worse their lives become, until the whole country is devastated. This is a serious frying pan and a serious fire altogether. lndeed 'the thief comes only to Steal Kill and Destroy. ' 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by DeepSight(m): 4:41pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
PastorAIO: I wonder what jamesid29, NNTR, TenQ and company have to say about this episode of strategic deployment of falsehood. I remember back in the day, was it Mazaje who created a thread called Yahweh and his lying angels. https://www.nairaland.com/434436/yahweh-lying-angels |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 2:59pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
mazaje: |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 3:05pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
But really we don’t need to read the bible to see that nefarious nasty evil of this entity that claims to be the creator of the world. Just look around wherever his adherents are. Look all over Nigeria and the world where the abrahamics prevail. When we started to obsess on this abrahamic evils that was when the country started getting worse and worse. When Roman Empire embraced it that was when Rome fell. For Western Europe to rise to where it is today they had to embrace humanism and scientific enquiry which the church viciously opposed. This whole affair is so barbarous and nasty. Hateful deceitful narcissistic repulsive people are produced by following it. 2 Likes |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by killyaselfie: 3:22pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
PastorAIO: Wherever you see the influence of the ignoble Abrahamic fictions, you see bigotry, ignorance, injustice, and self-righteous belief that they have the moral high ground. The present state of Israel even goes so far as to run an apartheid state with support of most christians. It’s elevation of one group of people over others as the “chosen people” of a universal deity promotes prejudice. If you accept the ridiculous notion that these people are chosen then you imply that you are somehow inferior. In order for the Romans and the Catholic Church to really spread the religion in Europe, they had to create images based on these stories in the likeness of Europeans, so that when the European mercanitile class started using it as a tool of conquest, Europeans saw themselves as the chosen people and everyone else to be beneath them. This is thh by e foundation of “white supremacy” and we continue to see the harm it causes worldwide. Africans and other people that came in contact with these European Christians were seen as inferior and their images did not make it into the description of the divine. Non-Europeans who continue to adhere to these religions are implying their own inferiority and such people will be mired in mediocrity because they can’t envision themselves as more. There as to be an extensive and comprehensive propaganda project to reverse the psychological damage already done. https://upstanderproject.org/firstlight/doctrine |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 2:27pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Isaiah 60 11Your gates shall be open continually; day and night they shall not be shut, that people may bring to you the wealth of the nations, with their kings led in procession. 12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste . Isaiah 45 14Thus says the LORD: “The wealth of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over to you and be yours; they shall follow you; they shall come over in chains and bow down to you. They will plead with you, saying: ‘Surely God is in you, and there is no other, no god besides him.’” Now we are starting to get the agenda. killyaselfie: |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 5:09pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
jamesid29: A perfect riposte to the arguments of jamesid has just occurred to me. I wish I thought of it back then. While I do not deny that all over the internet and in books Ębö is translated as sacrifice, and even people who should know better do so as well there is a passage of Ifa scripture that demonstrates that this is totally wrong. In Ofun Okanran we are told about when Eledumare was creating the world and humans. 'He' went to consult Orunmila (first thing that will shock western minds, is that Yes Eledumare too consults. Of course christians can respond that yhwh too consults his hosts of heaven as described in the bible, but this fact jars with the notion of omniscience etc that christians have developed). Ifa advised 'him' that if 'he' wants a world where justice is a principle so that the strong do not oppress the weak then 'he' must make ębö. Eledumare heeded the advise and made the 'sacrifice'. If Ębö is an act of worship then who is Eledumare worshipping in this context? The only entity in this world that has no need of Ębö is Eledumare himself. Every creature needs ębö for sustenance and to facilitate it's life. It is ultimately Eledumare that 'Bö-s' the whole of creation. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gfi2DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT814&lpg=PT814&dq=Olodumare+makes+ebo&source=bl&ots=gO5yQQWnQw&sig=ACfU3U2Ra_D1lfPbBJs2Oe9ZFa2Jn4CKrg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiun_e3ucv4AhXMNcAKHUb2CIgQ6AF6BAggEAM#v=onepage&q=Olodumare%20makes%20ebo&f=false
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Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 7:55pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
DeepSight: My guess is they bring up freewill or something like it. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by Image123(m): 8:21pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
LordReed: Understanding. |
Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 7:31am On Jun 27, 2022 |
Image123: Understanding what? |
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