raumdeuter:


Its the way football works.

Look at Dortmund before Klopp, look at how much he spent, and how much he won with Dortmund, the moment he took them midtable, he had to leave, No one was asking and considering where he took them from?

Even Wenger was let go despite where he took them from, having positive netspend vs his rivals, and building a stadium

Klopp left because Dortmund lacked ambition....

donjazet:


I don't understand your response. I think you've pivoted from the initial argument.
Someone said simeone is overrated, you agreed with the person, saying "defensive managers" cannot sustain their pattern long term.
Myself and Ibime chimed in to tell you that he is not overrated, seeing as he is currently the champion of Spain and has kept athletico competitive despite all odds. He is still on track to finish 3rd like he has done in the last 10 years and could still make the quarter finals of the UCL. I'd say he has very much sustained his success.
Athletico continue to punch above their weight. They just built a brand new stadium. They've consistently sold off their best players and brought in relatively unknowns. You can't denigrate him.
Again, this was your initial argument. Let's not derail from the main point.

To know whether Simeone is overrated or not, You tell where you rate him and where his performance is.

How is Atletico punching above their weight when they are currently 5th, and best they can get is 3rd. How many teams are better than Atletico in Spain to know if they are punching above their weight.
If you have the 3rd best squad and you are currently 5th on track to finish 3rd how is that punching above your weight?

They bought Felix for over 100M, They bought Lemar for almost 80M, They bought Griezmann, Suarez, Depaul Morata Kondogbia, Carasco, in the past 2years, How many of these were relatively unknown to you

donjazet:
I don't think Abrahmovic escapes a severe sanction. UK parliament pushing to rid him of ownership of Chelsea, freeze his funds and seize his home in London.
If he truly loves Chelsea, he will sell the club to a capable hand. If not, it's most likely our club will be plunged in financial jeopardy for the foreseeable future.

You've been posting these threats of sanctions against Abramovich but I'm curious, nothing's been found on the man yet. In fact, the author who alleged he had close ties to Putin apologized to him not so long ago...
So where's all this coming from?
If they think Abramovich is complicit then by all means sanction him, they don't need to make threats every time there's an issue with Russia...
What does it say about them (Tories ) considering the rumours of them receiving funding from Russia....

raumdeuter:


To know whether Simeone is overrated or not, You tell where you rate him and where his performance is.

How is Atletico punching above their weight when they are currently 5th, and best they can get is 3rd. How many teams are better than Atletico in Spain to know if they are punching above their weight.
If you have the 3rd best squad and you are currently 5th on track to finish 3rd how is that punching above your weight?

They bought Felix for over 100M, They bought Lemar for almost 80M, They bought Griezmann, Suarez, Depaul Morata Kondogbia, Carasco, in the past 2years, How many of these were relatively unknown to you

1st of all, you can't use current form to analyze a team seeing as things could always change. You use end of season position to judge. Eg, mancity could find themselves third if they lose their next 2 games. Simeone is on track to finish as runner-up sef seeing as they have easy fixtures now.

Secondly, as Ibime and myself have pointed out, NetSpend matters a lot. Someone who saves up for a while to buy an iphone 11 and later sells the phone, tops a little money and buys an iphone 13 is judged better than someone who is just dashed money for the same phone.

Below is the team that faced man-u yesterday. I only know 4 of them. Imagine that after 3 years with Simeone, these many unknown players increase tremendously in value and are sold for other players. How is it better than a Madrid or mancity team that can simply buy another player to ADD to a player that might underperform?

I see how you mentioned players who are not even in the club again as players bought.
In the last 3 years alone, ATM have sold Thomas partey, rodri, morata, Griezman, Felipe Luiz, trippier, Lucas Hernandez to Bayern, Yannick carrasco etc etc. All 1st team players.
The guy is doing well.

Griffon:
Which one be "denazification" of Ukraine?

How can Ukraine who lost eight million of its citizens fighting Nazis support Nazism? How could Zelensky be a Nazist, when he's Jewish?

Wetin Putin dey cap sef?

Putin, Hitler, Trump and even Buhari… These type of people should never be allowed into power as they have personal hatred for a group of people. Give them military might and they all feel like gods. American democracy saved them from Trump, the rest aren’t that lucky.
Hopefully Western nations are true to their promise of Russia getting it hot, or they just making mouth as usual.

I don't think Simeone is overrated, just like pep Guardiola they are a victim of the standard they have previously set. It's like me taking over Southampton tomorrow and I consistently make them top 4 for let say 6 seasons and in row and the moment I drop out of that top 4 in the 7th season will that make me overrated?

donjazet:

1st of all, you can't use current form to analyze a team seeing as things could always change. You use end of season position to judge. Eg, mancity could find themselves third if they lose their next 2 games. Simeone is on track to finish as runner-up sef seeing as they have easy fixtures now.

Secondly, as Ibime and myself have pointed out, NetSpend matters a lot. Someone who saves up for a while to buy an iphone 11 and later sells the phone, tops a little money and buys an iphone 13 is judged better than someone who is just dashed money for the same phone.

Below is the team that faced man-u yesterday. I only know 4 of them. Imagine that after 3 years with Simeone, these many unknown players increase tremendously in value and are sold for other players. How is it better than a Madrid or mancity team that can simply buy another player to ADD to a player that might underperform?

I see how you mentioned players who are not even in the club again as players bought.
In the last 3 years alone, ATM have sold Thomas partey, rodri, morata, Griezman, Felipe Luiz, trippier, Lucas Hernandez to Bayern, Yannick carrasco etc etc. All 1st team players.
The guy is doing well.

Was this Netspend considered when Klopp Poch and Wenger left the teams they took from nowhere? Why are they not asking the team to consider where they were coming from? and their financial handicap

Based on the strenght of Atleticos squad vs La Liga rivals, where do they rank and where are they expected to finish by season end? Just so we know what will be a punching above/below weight

Netspend does not matter as you will like it to be, The best young attacker in the world Mbappe will be moving for free to a now club, So one team will be enjoying a potential 400M asset for free, Same way a team is enjoying Messi Wijnaldum and Ramos for free

By La Liga standards Atletico will have at least the 3rd highest wage bill, possibly even dragging with Barca and Madrid given that they have fallen so much and sold many of their key players that made them elite

In La Liga Simeone is the highest paid coach

The team that faced Man Utd yesterday I know 10 of them before the game. You mean you do not know Vrsalko, Oblak, Gimenez, Felix Correa, Kondogbia Savic, Lloriente before yesterdays game? With Suarez Griezman, DePaul Hermosos on the bench Maybe you dont really follow much football outside of Chelsea then

AnfieldFan:


Klopp left because Dortmund lacked ambition....

They really do

Selling their best players to Bayern and other top European teams

A team that made the champions league finals won the bundesliga if I am not mistaken

donjazet:

1st of all, you can't use current form to analyze a team seeing as things could always change. You use end of season position to judge. Eg, mancity could find themselves third if they lose their next 2 games. Simeone is on track to finish as runner-up sef seeing as they have easy fixtures now.

Secondly, as Ibime and myself have pointed out, NetSpend matters a lot. Someone who saves up for a while to buy an iphone 11 and later sells the phone, tops a little money and buys an iphone 13 is judged better than someone who is just dashed money for the same phone.

Below is the team that faced man-u yesterday. I only know 4 of them. Imagine that after 3 years with Simeone, these many unknown players increase tremendously in value and are sold for other players. How is it better than a Madrid or mancity team that can simply buy another player to ADD to a player that might underperform?

I see how you mentioned players who are not even in the club again as players bought.
In the last 3 years alone, ATM have sold Thomas partey, rodri, morata, Griezman, Felipe Luiz, trippier, Lucas Hernandez to Bayern, Yannick carrasco etc etc. All 1st team players.
The guy is doing well.

I agree with almost all your take ,but common how can you tell me you know only 4 players from the team that faced manure yesterday ?

Maybe you are just an epl and Chelsea follower in Europe and that’s all

Jan oblak ,jiminez,Savic ,kondogbia,Marcos llorente ,Correa ,Felix

Those names above are way too popular in Europe

popizaino:
I don't think Simeone is overrated, just like pep Guardiola they are a victim of the standard they have previously set. It's like me taking over Southampton tomorrow and I consistently make them top 4 for let say 6 seasons and in row and the moment I drop out of that top 4 in the 7th season will that make me overrated?

Simeone is far from being overrated .

Simeone is underrated and not giving his dues because he's not playing a beautiful style of football as if football is to be played one way only, football has always been about contrasting styles of play since time immemorial.

Just saw Gallagher's goal...the control and the finish were superb.

andrewbaba44:


I agree with almost all your take ,but common how can you tell me you know only 4 players from the team that faced manure yesterday ?

Maybe you are just an epl and Chelsea follower in Europe and that’s all

Jan oblak ,jiminez,Savic ,kondogbia,Marcos llorente ,Correa ,Felix

Those names above are way too popular in Europe

You agree that the team that is 13 points ahead of 3rd could find themselves in 3rd if they lose their next 2 games? You agree that "Netspend" is when someone saves money for a while to buy a phone and such a person is judged better than another person who had money to buy another phone? My head is paining me, walahi.

Amoto94:
Simeone is underrated and not giving his dues because he's not playing a beautiful style of football as if football is to be played one way only, football has always been about contrasting styles of play since time immemorial.

Top 5 best paid manager in the world is not given his dues?

andrewbaba44:


They really do

Selling their best players to Bayern and other top European teams

A team that made the champions league finals won the bundesliga if I am not mistaken

That refused to pay their best player so he left on a free? That fought a relegation battle for a bit before climbing up the table and finishing 7th? Why did they not fire him during the relegation fight if they lacked ambition?

raumdeuter:


Was this Netspend considered when Klopp Poch and Wenger left the teams they took from nowhere? Why are they not asking the team to consider where they were coming from? and their financial handicap

Based on the strenght of Atleticos squad vs La Liga rivals, where do they rank and where are they expected to finish by season end? Just so we know what will be a punching above/below weight

Netspend does not matter as you will like it to be, The best young attacker in the world Mbappe will be moving for free to a now club, So one team will be enjoying a potential 400M asset for free, Same way a team is enjoying Messi Wijnaldum and Ramos for free

By La Liga standards Atletico will have at least the 3rd highest wage bill, possibly even dragging with Barca and Madrid given that they have fallen so much and sold many of their key players that made them elite

In La Liga Simeone is the highest paid coach

The team that faced Man Utd yesterday I know 10 of them before the game. You mean you do not know Vrsalko, Oblak, Gimenez, Felix Correa, Kondogbia Savic, Lloriente before yesterdays game? With Suarez Griezman, DePaul Hermosos on the bench Maybe you dont really follow much football outside of Chelsea then

Netspend is when a manager who was not there when Benteke was bought or Coutinho, could then sell them for 172M. Of course, the cost of the players will not be factored when the netspend for that manager is calculated. But look on the bright side, all I need to do is save money for however many years till I can get a private Jet. Elon Musk is foolish for having cash in hand to buy one at his beck and call. Society will judge me better than him.

AnfieldFan:


You've been posting these threats of sanctions against Abramovich but I'm curious, nothing's been found on the man yet. In fact, the author who alleged he had close ties to Putin apologized to him not so long ago...
So where's all this coming from?
If they think Abramovich is complicit then by all means sanction him, they don't need to make threats every time there's an issue with Russia...
What does it say about them (Tories ) considering the rumours of them receiving funding from Russia....

If Putin does something I don't like, my God-given right is to attack his friends as retribution (even when it doesn't affect him) then the rest of the feckless class clowns will clap for me that I have done something in response. By the way, he did same thing in 2014 and all my sanctions did not work nor deter him but if I maybe do it again this time around it will. The west is run by i.d.i.o.t.s.

Android22:
You agree that the team that is 13 points ahead of 3rd could find themselves in 3rd if they lose their next 2 games? You agree that "Netspend" is when someone saves money for a while to buy a phone and such a person is judged better than another person who had money to buy another phone? My head is paining me, walahi.

I been dey rush Dey read Baba

The side he was talking about man city and 3rd position and simeone on track to finish a runner up is pure trash

andrewbaba44:


I been dey rush Dey read Baba

The side he was talking about man city and 3rd position and simeone on track to finish a runner up is pure trash

I was afraid oh. Because I know you as someone with very reasonable and logical takes.

donjazet:

1st of all, you can't use current form to analyze a team seeing as things could always change. You use end of season position to judge. Eg, mancity could find themselves third if they lose their next 2 games. Simeone is on track to finish as runner-up sef seeing as they have easy fixtures now.

Secondly, as Ibime and myself have pointed out, NetSpend matters a lot. Someone who saves up for a while to buy an iphone 11 and later sells the phone, tops a little money and buys an iphone 13 is judged better than someone who is just dashed money for the same phone.

Below is the team that faced man-u yesterday. I only know 4 of them. Imagine that after 3 years with Simeone, these many unknown players increase tremendously in value and are sold for other players. How is it better than a Madrid or mancity team that can simply buy another player to ADD to a player that might underperform?

I see how you mentioned players who are not even in the club again as players bought.
In the last 3 years alone, ATM have sold Thomas partey, rodri, morata, Griezman, Felipe Luiz, trippier, Lucas Hernandez to Bayern, Yannick carrasco etc etc. All 1st team players.
The guy is doing well.

Man city could find themselves 3rd If they loose their next 2 games ,how is this possible When they are more than 9 points from 3rd place

Simeone is not on any track to finish as runner up in Laliga ,when I said you only follow the epl and Chelsea in Europe I was really right

Go and check when Diego simeone lost 3 Laliga games on a roll and tell me the teams he lost to ,same small teams you will call an easy fixture ,even Levante that didn’t pick 3 point for months used ATM to pick 3 points

Current Diego simeone team is not better than Barca real Betis or Sevilla .

Android22:
I was afraid oh. Because I know you as someone with very reasonable and logical takes.

I goof for that side Walai

He even said Diego simeone is on track to finish as 2nd in Laliga because of easy fixtures ,I wish he can check the teams that has been collected 3 points from ATM he won’t utter that statement

But the main arguement sha ,simeone is a nice coach and not overrated .

Android22:
Top 5 best paid manager in the world is not given his dues?

Highest paid Laliga manager

Dude is only earning below pep at the epl

Amoto94:
Simeone is underrated and not giving his dues because he's not playing a beautiful style of football as if football is to be played one way only, football has always been about contrasting styles of play since time immemorial.

Simeone is not underrated and also not overrated

He isn’t the best paid Laliga coach for no reason

andrewbaba44:


Simeone is not underrated and also not overrated

He isn’t the best paid Laliga coach for no reason

My point is that he should be doing better than he is doing at this moment. With historically bad Barcelona and Madrid. Prime Barca and Madrid he will only probably win 1 out of 10 titles

Madrid attack is now Benz, Vicinius Rodrigo Asensio Hazard, Barca is Depay Dejong Dembele Ferran Auba Adama (Last 3 recent acquisition)
Atleti is Lemar Felix Griezmann Suarez Correa Carasco

Will you look at that list and say Atleti is so inferior to that? We can understand in the days of Madrid BBC or Barca MSN but not these ones na

raumdeuter:


My point is that he should be doing better than he is doing at this moment. With historically bad Barcelona and Madrid. Prime Barca and Madrid he will only probably win 1 out of 10 titles

Madrid attack is now Benz, Vicinius Rodrigo Asensio Hazard, Barca is Depay Dejong Dembele Ferran Auba Adama (Last 3 recent acquisition)
Atleti is Lemar Felix Griezmann Suarez Correa Carasco

Will you look at that list and say Atleti is so inferior to that? We can understand in the days of Madrid BBC or Barca MSN but not these ones na

It seems most don't follow la liga here especially recently so their views are understandable, Many predicted he'll be topping the league currently cause they did the best business of all Spanish teams plus the fact that they were defending champions, Real has grown weaker, Barca was worse hit, yet he's behind them currently and might not even qualify for the UCL next season, Levante used them to collect just their 2nd league win of the season and some of those he won this and that for have been critizing him heavily in the past few weeks due to mixed results,

raumdeuter:


My point is that he should be doing better than he is doing at this moment. With historically bad Barcelona and Madrid. Prime Barca and Madrid he will only probably win 1 out of 10 titles

Madrid attack is now Benz, Vicinius Rodrigo Asensio Hazard, Barca is Depay Dejong Dembele Ferran Auba Adama (Last 3 recent acquisition)
Atleti is Lemar Felix Griezmann Suarez Correa Carasco

Will you look at that list and say Atleti is so inferior to that? We can understand in the days of Madrid BBC or Barca MSN but not these ones na

I got your points sha

Barca and Madrid aren’t even like before yet simeone can’t dominate the league with the good team he is having

To make it worst simeone team is not even better than xavi Barca with kids

But he isn’t overrated ,so I don’t agree with you on that part

Meanwhile, Fraudiola is collecting more than double of what Tuchel collects a year, but the former is a local champion while the latter is a world champion.

airmark:
Meanwhile, Fraudiola is collecting more than double of what Tuchel collects a year, but the former is a local champion while the latter is a world champion.

Segedinho:

Rodgers and arteta above tuchel...I do not believe that one bit...the sun with their dodgy information

AnfieldFan:


You've been posting these threats of sanctions against Abramovich but I'm curious, nothing's been found on the man yet. In fact, the author who alleged he had close ties to Putin apologized to him not so long ago...
So where's all this coming from?
If they think Abramovich is complicit then by all means sanction him, they don't need to make threats every time there's an issue with Russia...
What does it say about them (Tories ) considering the rumours of them receiving funding from Russia....

Read these;
https://jamestown.org/program/the-pocket-prime-minister/

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/yeltsin-daughter-helped-plot-cabinet-sacking-26194411.html
Surely you're not surprised that billionaires with enough pull, money and power are able to game the system and hide their affairs even from courts of law that require hardest evidence. Articles and conjunctions helps to put things in perspective.

Harvey Vale with a replica of Ziyech's curler against Spurs

https://twitter.com/LDNFootbalI/status/1496912837054062593?s=20&t=TokubXCzRKFgEm_xSsz2bQ

Ibime, nihilistjnr I would like to know your opinion on this Abrahmovic conundrum.
Where do we stand on this.
We've always known that our beloved owner became rich via very shady deals in Russia and has most likely helped in keeping a despot in power, but we never had any reason to feel bad about it.

It was very convenient to look away from this shady past seeing as the issue didn't concern us at all or there wasn't any much fuss to be made about it.

But now, that the situation has changed and his history is brought to the fire, what is the best stance to take about this man who has brought joy to our lives, who have created an institution that affect our lives?
What do you guys think?