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Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:44pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
uniquetechng:If you tell them these Anti American hawks will say you are buying into western propaganda 2 Likes |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:45pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Walkee:Go and read about the civil war of 1967 those who don"t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Just be quiet abeg 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Nobody: 12:45pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
From another angle From the Black Sea to the East Med, do not poke The Russian Bear By Pepe Escobar, posted with the author’s permission and cross-posted with The Cradle. This is what happens when a bunch of ragged hyenas, jackals and tiny rodents poke The Bear: a new geopolitical order is born in breathtaking speed. From a dramatic meeting of the Russian Security Council to a history lesson delivered by President Putin and the subsequent birth of the Baby Twins – the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk – all the way to their appeal to President Putin to intervene militarily to expel the NATO-backed Ukrainian bombing-and-shelling forces from Donbass, it was a seamless process. The (nuclear) straw that (nearly) broke the Bear’s back – and forced its paws to pounce – was Zelensky the Comedian, back from the Russophobia-drenched Munich Security Conference where he was hailed like a Messiah, saying that the 1994 Budapest memorandum should be revised and Ukraine should be nuclear-rearmed. That would be the equivalent of a nuclear Mexico south of the Hegemon. Putin immediately turned Responsibility to Protect (R2P) upside down: an American concept invented to launch wars in MENA (remember Libya?) was retrofitted to stop a slow-motion genocide in Donbass. First came the recognition of the Baby Twins – Putin’s most important foreign policy decision since going to Syria in 2015. That was the preamble for the next game-changer: a “special military operation (…) aimed at demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine”, as Putin defined it. Up to the last minute, the Kremlin was trying to rely on diplomacy, explaining to Kiev the necessary imperatives to prevent heavy metal thunder: recognition of Crimea as Russian; abandon any plans to join NATO; negotiate directly with the Baby Twins – an anathema for the Americans since 2015; finally, demilitarize and declare Ukraine as neutral. Kiev’s handlers, predictably, would never accept the package – as they didn’t accept the Master Package that really matters: the Russian demand for “indivisible security”. The sequence, then, became inevitable. In a flash, all Ukrainian forces between the so-called line of contact and the original borders of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were boxed in as the occupying force of territories of two Russian allies that Moscow had just sworn to protect. So it was Get Out – Or Else. “Or else” came as rolling thunder: the Kremlin and the Russian Ministry of Defense were not bluffing. Timed to the end of Putin’s speech announcing the operation, the Russians decapitated with precision missiles everything that mattered in terms of the Ukrainian military in just one hour: Air Force, Navy, airfields, bridges, command and control centers, the whole Turkish Bayraktar drone fleet. And it was not only Russian raw power. It was the artillery of one of the Baby Twins, the DPR, that hit the HQ of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass, which actually housed the entire Ukrainian military command. This means that the Ukrainian General Staff instantly lost control of all its troops. This was Shock and Awe against Iraq, 19 years ago, in reverse: not for conquest, not as a prelude for an invasion and occupation. The political-military leadership in Kiev did not even have time to declare war. They froze. Demoralized troops started deserting. Total defeat – in one hour. The water supply to Crimea was instantly re-established. Humanitarian corridors were set up for the deserters. “Remnants” now include mostly surviving Azov batallion Nazis, mercenaries trained by the usual Blackwater/Academi suspects, and a bunch of Salafi-jihadis. Predictably, Western corporate media has already gone totally berserk branding it as the much-awaited Russian “invasion”. A reminder: when Israel routinely bombs Syria and when the House of One Saudi routinely bombs Yemeni civilians, there is never any peep in NATOstan media. As it stands, realpolitik spells out a possible endgame (see Donetsk’s head, Denis Pushilin: “The special operation in Donbass will soon be over and all the cities will be liberated.”) We could soon witness the birth of an independent Novorossiya – east of the Dnieper, south along Sea of Azov/Black Sea, the way it was when attached to Ukraine by Lenin in 1922. But now totally aligned with Russia, and providing a land bridge to Transnistria. Ukraine, of course, would lose any access to the Black Sea. History loves playing tricks: what was a “gift” to Ukraine in 1922 may become a parting gift a hundred years later. It’s creative destruction time It will be fascinating to watch what Prof. Sergey Karaganov masterfully described, in detail, as the new Putin doctrine of constructive destruction , and how it will interconnect with West Asia, the Eastern Mediterranean and further on down the Global South road. President Erdogan, the ceremonial NATO Sultan, branded the recognition of the Baby Twins as “unacceptable”. No wonder: that definitely smashed all his elaborate plans to pose as privileged mediator between Moscow and Kiev during Putin’s upcoming visit to Ankara. The Kremlin – as well as the Foreign Ministry – don’t waste time talking to NATO minions. Lavrov, for his part, had a recent, very productive entente with Syrian Foreign Minister Faysal Mekdad. Russia, this past weekend, has staged a spectacular strategic missile display, hypersonic and otherwise, featuring Khinzal, Zircon, Kalibr, Yars ICBMs, Iskander and Sineva – irony of ironies, in synch with the Russophobia-fest in Munich. In parallel, Russian Navy ships of the Pacific, Northern and Black Sea fleets performed a series of submarine search drills in the Mediterranean. The Putin doctrine privileges the asymmetrical – and that applies to the near abroad and beyond. Putin’s body language, in his last two crucial interventions, spell out nearly maximum exasperation. As in realizing, not auspiciously, but rather in resignation, that the only language those neo-con and “humanitarian” imperialist psychos in the Beltway understand is heavy meal thunder (they are definitely deaf, dumb and blind to History, Geography and Diplomacy, for that matter. No to mention they never accepted their defeat in Syria.) So we can always game the Russian military, for instance, imposing a no-fly zone in Syria to conduct a series of visits by Mr. Khinzal not only to the Turk-protected shady jihadist umbrella in Idlib but also the jihadists protected by the Americans in Al-Tanf base, near the Syria-Jordan border. After all these specimens are all NATO proxies. The United States government barks non-stop about “territorial sovereignty”. So let’s game the Kremlin asking the White House for a road map on getting out of Syria: after all the Americans are illegally occupying a section of Syrian territory and most of all adding extra disaster to the Syrian economy by stealing their oil. NATO’s stultifying Stoltenberg has announced the alliance is dusting off its “defense plans”: that may include little more than hide behind their expensive Brussels desks. They are as inconsequential in the Black Sea as in the East Med – as the Empire remains quite vulnerable in Syria. There are now four Russian TU-22M3 strategic bombers in Hymeimim base, each capable of carrying three S-32 anti-ship missiles that fly at supersonic Mach 4.3 with a range of 1,000 km. No Aegis system is able to handle them. Russia in Syria also has stationed a few Mig-31Ks in Latakia equipped with hypersonic Khinzals – more than enough to sink any kind of US surface group, including aircraft carriers, in the East Med. The US has no air defense mechanism whatsoever with even a minimal chance of intercepting them. So the rules have changed. Drastically. The Hegemon is naked. The new deal starts with turning the post-Cold War set-up in Eastern Europe completely upside down. The East Med will be next. The Bear is back, baby. Hear him roar. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:47pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Franking: Just today Russia's foreign minister is in Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, Putin said earlier this week that Ukraine has no right to exist and you guys are not updated yet you are still buying the idea that it is about NATO and Russia wanting to secure it's borders that is a pretext of lie from Russia 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Walkee: 12:47pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
walkbrazil4k:America will do the exact same thing to Mexico if they strike military alliance with Russia or North Korea. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Sneaktee: 12:49pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
E don tey wey life don tire this baba lied: |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by jamace(m): 12:50pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
lied:Please, why? |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:50pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
walkbrazil4k:That is why this war is a war between democracy and autocracy that is why you are hearing Russia saying the want to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine what exactly does that tell you. Anybody in the democratic world supporting Russia does not know anything yet. 2 Likes |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by doshiyad1: 12:51pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Righteousness2:May God help us all in Jesus name amen! 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by ken6488(m): 12:51pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
CSTRR:Same as Iraq, Syria many more Let me just say Ukraine is paying for allowing themselves being used by the west |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Nobody: 12:51pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Walkee: Yes they will but why would it get to that level? Mexico is enjoying alot from America so why would they need north Korea or Russia, really? Even Mexicans would reject it, America does not see Mexico like a country that they can control, Russia sees Ukraine like a puppet state and they are tired they want a free and independent Ukraine |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Dybala11(m): 12:52pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Saifullah01:Good points raised man, this is absolutely one of the problems of democracy. Within years there can be a change/move away from the past ideals and policies once the members of government get replaced. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Nobody: 12:52pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Its madness to create guns and call it invention. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Nobody: 12:53pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Ladyhippolyta88: Don't mind them, the president of Ukraine is a Jewish man so why would he be supporting nazis? 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by jamace(m): 12:54pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Ladyhippolyta88:Na so America de lie too, to invade other countries. Think of Iraq, Libya, etc.. Big Brothers are ALWAYS great liars. It is always a matter of political and economic interests. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:54pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Ayed44:This tweets below align with your comments 1 Like
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Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by jamace(m): 12:54pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
onecoder:Survival is the ultimate. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:57pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
jamace:Actually Russia is a nuclear state invading another sovereign nation it is quite different and when America invaded those countries they had their reasons. I also agree with you you can be against both without having to side with Russia 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:57pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
walkbrazil4k: They are still thinking that it is because of NATO lol 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Nobody: 1:00pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Ladyhippolyta88: Lol, no person in his right mind would be supporting Russia even putin does not have any support at home, didn't you see how he bullied his spy chief on national TV 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 1:01pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
walkbrazil4k:True |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by eldoradoxx: 1:01pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Blackbelly:Since u don't have anything to say let me borrow this space It is more like Russia wants to dictate to Ukraine which alliances to form or not to form. Forgetting that Ukraine is an independent sovereign state in the commity of nations. Regarding part of Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Luhanks being Russian speaking, this should not be reason for Russia to invade the country. It is like Nigeria invading Niger Republic or Benin Republic to prevent them from forming an alliance with another country simply because Hausa and Yoruba languages are respectively spoken in some parts of these countries. It is simply senseless. I can only support Russia a bit because it is trying to preserve itself from an ever present formidable for US led NATO alliance from using its weaker neighbors territory as a base to attack Russia. Everyone is entitled to take every measure to preserve self. 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by GUNITGuy: 1:01pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Franking:I think that's what a lot of People don't get the US are interested setting up a military base in Ukraine which they already have but now want to make Ukraine a launching pad in case Russia carries our an offensive against them ..... They're not interested in Belarus since they are not a democratic state and they have a strong ties with Russia.....The Americans are afraid of something which is the Potential threat Russia offers to them ... Just look at how western leaders apart from Ukraine talk they've all been feminised ..They need to start raising strong men again Russia understand all this most of the European Leaders aren't experience in all this as much as Vladmir Putin starting e.g Zelensky the comedian, and some other so called PhD holders in Europe. Most of the Europe Leaders were actually still in high school when Putin was training and learning in the KGB ......This is the result of feminism a system that gives women undue influence and benefits over men practice by all this so called western countries .....Let boys be boys and Let them get trained by their fathers or strong men Then Russians would take you seriously too much Simping men everywhere, lovers of pleasure, indiscipline and untrained men is the reason the Russians, Chinese have realized and would most likely leverage on in the nearer future...... Technology cannot take the place of leadership and discipline, social skills and intelligence of the human mind .... Putin never read a script all this while he spoke his mind without any fear and even issue threat to the powerful countries abroad 1 Like |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by pafo(m): 1:01pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Righteousness2: F00l you are. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by Walkee: 1:03pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Mexico aren't enjoying shiit. All their presidents are US puppets who are mostly hated by Mexicans. US soldiers and agents can kill Mexicans at will in their own country and just say they're members of cartels and nothing will happen. Mexican officers cannot even kill an American even inside Mexico. Forget gee. USA is a tyrants. walkbrazil4k: |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by aribisala0(m): 1:03pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
uniquetechng:The weapons never belonged to UKraine and Ukraine never had operational control Ukraine never did and cannot now enrich uranium. They merely hosted the weapons |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by pafo(m): 1:07pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Ayed44: That is the only language the west understand and Putin has spoken it very loudly. Now NATO has refused to send troops to Ukraine and they are fighting Russia alone. Putin made it Crystal clear that anyone that intervenes will be bombed back to the dark ages. So YOU see there is no world war if every body minds their business. Russia has minded theirs since America has been interfering in every Damn country in the world since. Whu can't they mind their when Russia is protecting its on interest now? |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by IgOga(m): 1:07pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Cnn |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by FourElements: 1:08pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Righteousness2:"Putin will get Power drunk and GOD will put HIS hook in his mouth and Drag him down to Israel to invade Israel for its wealth and resources. Putin( Gog) will come against Israel with the GogMagog Collation, and that is where GOD ALMIGHTY Himself will Cripple him and the Nations with him and the world will Understand that the GOD of Israel is the one that Runs this Earth."- Putin is not Gog. These are Completely a misinterpretation of Biblical prophecies. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by MyVILLAGEpeople(m): 1:14pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Saifullah01: You just said it has it is. You made so much sense. |
Re: What Does Putin Really Want In Ukraine? (Analysis) by FourElements: 1:14pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
oz4real83:You're completely ignorant of the formation and workings of the soviet and while the Russians have to dismantle and remove the weapons on the land of Ukraine. |
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