Search the first place or kingdom European visited in Nigeria in all platforms first page will say Benin.

Normally lagos was closer to the Atlantic Ocean but they need to visit Benin, see Benin king first to be officially recognized by the king of Portugal that truly they visited Nigeria then as the Benin kingdom was the recognized kindom in south Nigeria in any where both geographically.

Is this what you still arguing what was even documented by European then.

Jameseddi1:
[s]Contact with the Portuguese
Ewuare was the Oba of the Benin empire when the Portuguese explorer Ruy de Sequeira arrived in 1472. It is unclear whether he went into the city, but contacts between the Portuguese and the Oba were initiated.

Ewuare is also the first king that come incontact with European.

The Lagos you said they visited was geographically named Benin Lagos was just one of the few cities of Benin then.

Portuguese arrived a geographical Benin slave cost and was directed to the ruler of that geographical kingdom same year Oba Ewuare.

Itshekiri was still geographically Benin that time you can verify by checking the map European came and they also direct them to their king who lives in the city (Benin city) same time.

All this place you mentioned were Benin territory that time it was geographically proven by the European.

2 Benin kings are the lords European seen and make agreements with to start trading in all this geographical places. Lagos don’t even have king this period.

Now you went to bring a Yoruba write up to prove benin was calling oni Oghene.

In south Nigeria
We both agreed that European/ the world verified that Benin was officially geographically kingdom then.

We both also agreed now that Benin verified that Yoruba/Ife was also a kingdom in the north west.

Now you see the level: Benin civilized Yoruba European civized Benin no wonder they were lot of explore of the Benin in all Yoruba west before the exploration of the European to Nigeria.[/s]

(1) Sequeira (the first European visitor in the Nigerian region) visited Lagos in the 1470s, and never Benin.

(2) Lagos in the 1400s have no Benin connection.

The first Benin connection to Lagos didn’t begin until the mid/late-1500s when Benin immigrants came to trade & settle on the Eko island.


(3) Benin tradition says Itsekiri land was visited by the Europeans, long before the Binis came with rich gifts to the Itsekiris begging that they too be visited by the Europeans.

(3) IF Itsekiri was indeed “geographically Benin” as you wish it was, the Benin king would not be begging the Itsekiri king with rich gifts.

(4) In the 1400s & 1500s, the Europeans inquired from the coastal/near-coastal people on who the greatest king of the region is.

And everyone (including the Binis) pointed only to the Ọɣọ̀ni (i.e. the Ọọ̀ni) whose seat is in the interior, and whose domain spans the Nigeria region and beyond.

(5) The 2nd attachment in my foregoing comment is a page from a Dictionary of Bini Language compiled by Yorubas Binis and Hans Melzian.

(6) In sum, your fathers & mothers of old believed that the Ọɣọ̀ni of Ifẹ is God incarnate. Thus, his home (Ifẹ) is regarded as a sort of “Heaven”.

Thus, the first rulers (olóyè/enioyè, ogie/enogie) sent from Ifẹ to govern Benin are mythologized by Binis as rulers from Heaven, viz. “ogiso” — from: ogie + iso.

Jameseddi1:
[s]Search the first place or kingdom European visited in Nigeria in all platforms first page will say Benin.

Normally lagos was closer to the Atlantic Ocean but they need to visit Benin, see Benin king first to be officially recognized by the king of Portugal that truly they visited Nigeria then as the Benin kingdom was the recognized kindom in south Nigeria in any where both geographically.

Is this what you still arguing what was even documented by European then.[/s]

(7) Your search query produced a popular result (based on users interaction) which is the word “Benin”. The article itself never says Benin is the first place visited by Europeans. It never says so anywhere.

Instead, Benin traditions states clearly: the Europeans have been trading for long with Itsekiris prior to when the Benin king sent gifts to Itsekiri and begged that the Europeans visit Benin too.

Cheers.

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PS: Why did you stop using @gregyboy account lately?

Is it that you’ve now seen the truth and you’re trying to dissociate yourself from the crap on that account?

TAO11:

(1) Sequeira (the first European visitor in the Nigerian region) visited Lagos in the 1470s, and never Benin.

(2) Lagos in the 1400s have no Benin connection.

The first Benin connection to Lagos didn’t begin until the mid/late-1500s when Benin immigrants came to trade & settle on the Eko island.


(3) Benin tradition says Itsekiri land was visited by the Europeans, long before the Binis came with rich gifts to the Itsekiris begging that they too be visited by the Europeans.

(3) IF Itsekiri was indeed “geographically Benin” as you wish it was, the Benin king would not be begging the Itsekiri king with rich gifts.

(4) In the 1400s & 1500s, the Europeans inquired from the coastal/near-coastal people on who the greatest king of the region is.

And everyone (including the Binis) pointed only to the Ọɣọ̀ni (i.e. the Ọọ̀ni) whose seat is in the interior, and whose domain spans the Nigeria region and beyond.

(5) The 2nd attachment in my foregoing comment is a page from a Dictionary of Bini Language compiled by Yorubas Binis and Hans Melzian.

(6) In sum, your fathers & mothers of old believed that the Ọɣọ̀ni of Ifẹ is God incarnate. Thus, his home (Ifẹ) is regarded as a sort of “Heaven”.

Thus, the first rulers (olóyè/enioyè, ogie/enogie) sent from Ifẹ to govern Benin are mythologized by Binis as rulers from Heaven, viz. “ogiso” — from: ogie + iso.



(7) Your search query produced a popular result (based on users interaction) which is the word “Benin”. The article itself never says Benin is the first place visited by Europeans. It never says so anywhere.

Instead, Benin traditions states clearly: the Europeans have been trading for long with Itsekiris prior to when the Benin king sent gifts to Itsekiri and begged that the Europeans visit Benin too.

Cheers.

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PS: Why did you stop using @gregyboy account lately?

Is it that you’ve now seen the truth and you’re trying to dissociate yourself from the crap on that account?

European eyewitness geographical location southern Nigeria.



I know you will bring your Oghene map but that not world European eyewitness. it is Benin eyewitness.

That the levels

I’m different from Greg boy ok my mom is urhobo my father is benin my father mom is from Ondo so you see that I’m a fully Benin kingdom boy

Jameseddi1:
[s]European eyewitness geographical location southern Nigeria.[/s]

Dummy, there was no Nigeria or southern Nigeria at the time of the map you attached.

The coastal/near coastal places annotated on the map are those with whom the Europeans are acquainted by virtue of significant trading activities. That’s all.

[s]I know you will bring your Oghene map but that not world European eyewitness. it is Benin eyewitness.[/s]

On the other hand, my much older map which shows the Latin annotation “Regnʋm Orgʋene” (The Ọɣọ̀nẹ’s Domain) shows no mention of Benin, Biafra, or any of the other Yorùbá kingdoms.

This map has nothing to do with trade relationship as the seat of the Ọɣọ̀ni (Ọọ̀ni) is not around the coast.

This map (by Martin Waldseemüller, 1513) intends to highlight the relevant regional powers at the time.

And Ifẹ turns out to be the regional power at the time. Benin, et al. apparently agrees to this information as this map abundantly shows.

That the levels

That’s the actual point I’m making — that is, the level of how all the coastal/near coastal kingdoms (+ your Benin) submit & surrender to the overlordship of the Ọọ̀ni of Ifẹ.

[s]I’m different from Greg boy ok my mom is urhobo my father is benin my father mom is from Ondo so you see that I’m a fully Benin kingdom boy[/s]

It is very satisfying how I made you distance yourself from your @gregyboy account.

That’s exactly how it should be. Bini mugus must deny their accounts and their origin whenever I show up.

You actually wish to have an Oǹdó blood in you. You knew that Oǹdó palace traditions recognize Ifẹ as the origin of the Oǹdó kingdom.

You’re therefore desperate to associate with Ifẹ. Keep dreaming. But you remain a Bini slave of the present Ọmọ-n-Ọba and his predecessors who are all our sons from Ifẹ̀ (ibi tí ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá).

Cheers.

TAO11:

Dummy, there was no Nigeria or southern Nigeria at the time of the map you attached.

The coastal/near coastal places annotated on the map are those with whom the Europeans are acquainted by virtue of significant trading activities. That’s all.


On the other hand, my much older map which shows the Latin annotation “Regnʋm Orgʋene” (The Ọɣọ̀nẹ’s Domain) shows no mention of Benin, Biafra, or any of the other Yorùbá kingdoms.

This map has nothing to do with trade relationship as the seat of the Ọɣọ̀ni (Ọọ̀ni) is not around the coast.

This map (by Martin Waldseemüller, 1513) intends to highlight the relevant regional powers at the time.

And Ifẹ turns out to be the regional power at the time. Benin, et al. apparently agrees to this information as this map abundantly shows.


That’s the actual point I’m making — that is, the level of how all the coastal/near coastal kingdoms (+ your Benin) submit & surrender to the overlordship of the Ọọ̀ni of Ifẹ.


It is very satisfying how I made you distance yourself from your @gregyboy account.

That’s exactly how it should be. Bini mugus must deny their accounts and their origin whenever I show up.

You actually wish to have an Oǹdo blood in you. You knew that Oǹdo palace traditions recognize Ifẹ as the origin of the Oǹdo kingdom.

You’re therefore desperate to associate with Ifẹ. Keep dreaming. But you remain a Bini slave of the present Ọmọ-n-Ọba and his predecessors who are all our sons from Ifẹ̀ (ibi tí ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá).

Cheers.

But last time I checked in 15th century Martin Waldseemüller didn’t visit Yoruba or Ife in west Africa the kingdom he visited was Benin keep deceiving your fellow Yorubas.

No European visited Ife in 15th century so where did you get your map from come correct yourself.

Jameseddi1:
[s]But last time I checked in 15th century Martin Waldseemüller didn’t visit Yoruba or Ife in west Africa the kingdom he visited was Benin keep deceiving your fellow Yorubas.

No European visited Ife in 15th century so where did you get your map from come correct yourself.[/s]

Well, the Europeans were in Yorubaland first.

In all, the Benin ọba informed the Europeans saying: “I have a master”.

This map was thus made to show the Ọɣọ̀ni (Ọọ̀ni) as the greatest monarch that he is in the region.

Cheers.

Yes truly there was no Nigeria then. But they were dayomey, Benin, bight of Benin, Biafra, Great Benin, Zara, Niger. You are just pained there was no world verified Yoruba in west Africa geographically area at that time.

So the only one you came to twist in as prove was verified by Benin according to you.

Jameseddi1:
[s]Yes truly there was no Nigeria then. But they were dayomey, Benin, bight of Benin, Biafra, Great Benin, Zara, Niger. You are just pained there was no world verified Yoruba in west Africa geographically area at that time.

So the only one you came to twist in as prove was verified by Benin according to you.[/s]

Finally you know there was no Nigeria at the time.

Yes, the name “Benin” (a mispronunciation) appears on some maps and not on others.

Just as the names Yoruba, Lukumi (my ethnic group as a whole) exist on some maps and not on others.

It all depends on the uses to which the cartographer intends the specific map to be put.

The specific map in question here is an old map which relates to names of the powerful monarchies and not merely people or ethnic group per se.

And as the map abundantly shows, your Ọmọ-n-ọba is no where to be found, while his father the Ọɣọ̀ni is recognized as the regional power.

Bini, know your relatively little place.

I won't respond to your nonsense abusive junkie evidence that dated not as far as the ones the civilised Igodomigodo wrote as way back, you can now go ahead and make yourself look like one with sense even when everyone knows you're a diehard hater of the Benin heritage, but hold on, before you go about with your defeated arguments of "this one said he won't come back again"

Your plan is to drop the last punch and expects me not to write so whenever new reader sees it, then it would make you look like a winner, or one with a much proof of what people should believe, infact I lost interest in your argument the very day you said the history my people wrote is void and null because a brown skin people wrote it

This is here already, you can now go ahead and make your last abusive junkie proofs of written notes/history by your light yellow gods you call whites, whom you believe their writings than anything your fellow brownish skin can ever write, no wonder the Yoruba had no single written history, oh! I forgot, they were primitive people with no sense of education.

Don't bother to hear from me on this case again, take the floor you hateful retard!

Bye!



[s][/s][quote author=TAO11 post=110401810]
Oh shut your gutter ret@rd, and get some education.

The reference/screenshot provided already lists all the Edo groups who confessed to have been invaded and decimated by the Yorubas.

All you have to do is be bold enough to follow-up the reference and screenshots without having to shed too much tears.

And it is sensible to believe what people admit about their own humiliations, failures, embarrassments, etc. especially when such confessions has a multiplicity of attestation from those same people.

But not sensible to accept claims of conquering other people without any corroborating evidence from those other people.

But for some reasons, you Binis’ brains seem to have been turned upside-down, hence your insistence on reasoning upside-down.

Cc: SirNewtonNG[s][/s]

You have flooded this comment again with your deep agony and hot tears. LMAO.

I didn’t ask you for that. I didn’t ask any Bini e-rat on Nairaland for tears, so why cry so bitterly?

I won’t address your tears, because no one asked you to cry — literally no one asked for your tears.

However, I will only be debunking your lies below just so you can further drown in agony and dashed hope.

oswardic:
[s]I won't respond to your nonsense abusive junkie evidence that dated not as far as the ones the civilised Igodomigodo wrote as way back, you can now go ahead and make yourself look like one with sense even when everyone knows you're a diehard hater of the Benin heritage, but hold on, before you go about with your defeated arguments of "this one said he won't come back again"

Your plan is to drop the last punch and expects me not to write so whenever new reader sees it, then it would make you look like a winner, or one with a much proof of what people should believe,[/s]

I’m not interested in your pool of tears.

infact I lost interest in your argument the very day you said the history my people wrote is void and null because a brown skin people wrote it

I’m laughing hard at your cheap, silly lie.

You really think sensible people would believe I said so, just because you said I said so??

No child. Instead they would want you to attach a link or screenshot showing where I said so. You gerrit?

Having said that, the recently invented/revised Benin history is false because it has already been debunked even before its invention.

It was invented in the 1970s by a handful of Bini folks, but it had been debunked in advance (since the early-1900s, 1800s, 1700s, etc.) by Bini traditions obtained from the Benin court; and collected and documented into written form by Bini pens, and sometimes by European pens.

The latter-day 1970s frauds actually never named the Bini informant from which they supposedly got their new stories. They never cite any source despite their stories being strange, new and contrary to what the ancient people of Benin have always maintained.

[s]This is here already, you can now go ahead and make your last abusive junkie proofs of written notes/history by your light yellow gods you call whites, whom you believe their writings than anything your fellow brownish skin can ever write,[/s]

No pool of tears will be tolerated.

no wonder the Yoruba had no single written history, oh! I forgot, they were primitive people with no sense of education

Yoruba people had no written history?? Lol.

No, the Yorubas have been writing down their history with their own pen since the 1800s.

Guess when the Bini started writing down their history with their own pen!? Take a wild guess. Your daddies & mommies started in the 1930s.

Notice the gap and know your little place. Tẹnks.

Yoruba people primitive? This is funny for 2 reasons:

(1) It’s funny because it’s false (2) It’s at the same time funny because it’s coming from a Bini person.

So, the Bini people (up until the 1890s) must actually request permission from their king before they can be allowed to wear clothes.

And to top it all, your kings are a patrilineally Yorùbás from Ifẹ. Again, Benin know your little place. Yoruba is too much for you. It should go without saying.

[s]Don't bother to hear from me on this case again, take the floor you hateful retard!

Bye![/s]

I won’t bat an eye to your tears, I promise.

Have a good life kid.

TAO11:
You have flooded this comment again with your deep agony and hot tears. LMAO.

I didn’t ask you for that. I didn’t ask any Bini e-rat on Nairaland for tears, so why cry so bitterly?

I won’t address your tears, because no one asked you to cry — literally no one asked for your tears.

However, I will only be debunking your lies below just so you can further drown in agony and dashed hope.

I’m not interested in your pool of tears.

I’m laughing hard at your cheap, silly lie.

You really think sensible people would believe I said so, just because you said I said so??

No child. Instead they would want you to attach a link or screenshot showing where I said so. You gerrit?

Having said that, the recently invented/revised Benin history is false because it has already been debunked even before its invention.

It was invented in the 1970s by a handful of Bini folks, but it had been debunked in advance (since the early-1900s, 1800s, 1700s, etc.) by Bini traditions obtained from the Benin court; and collected and documented into written form by Bini pens, and sometimes by European pens.

The latter-day 1970s frauds actually never named the Bini informant from which they supposedly got their new stories. They never cite any source despite their stories being strange, new and contrary to what the ancient people of Benin have always maintained.

No pool of tears will be tolerated.

Yoruba people had no written history?? Lol.

No, the Yorubas have been writing down their history with their own pen since the 1800s.

Guess when the Bini started writing down their history with their own pen!? Take a wild guess. Your daddies/mommies started in the 1930s.

Notice the gap and know your little place. Tẹnks.

Yoruba people primitive? This is funny for 2 reasons:

(1) It’s funny because it’s false (2) It’s at the same time funny because it’s coming from a Bini person.

So, the Bini people (up until the 1890s) must actually request permission from their king before they can be allowed to wear cloth.

And to top it all, your kings are a patrilineally Yorùbás from Ifẹ. Again, Benin know your little place. Yoruba is too much for you. It should go without saying.

I won’t bat an eye to your tears, I promise.

Have a good life kid.

Yoruba that too big for Benin wasn’t geographically noticed until 17th18th century

Jameseddi1:
[s]Yoruba that too big for Benin wasn’t geographically noticed until 17th18th century[/s]

The attached map is from the 1500s.

It shows the “Ọɣọnẹ’s [Ọọni’s] Domain” — the leading monarchy of the Yorubas. Benin was no where to be found on the 1500s map.

Lagos was visited in the 1470s. Benin was unnoticed in that decade of Lagos’ visit. Ijebu-Ode was visited in the 1490s. And so on.

TAO11:
Finally you know there was no Nigeria at the time.

Yes, the name “Benin” (a mispronunciation) appears on some maps and not on others.

Just as the names Yoruba, Lukumi (my ethnic group as a whole) exist on some maps and not on others.

It all depends on the uses to which the cartographer intends the specific map to be put.

The specific map in question here is an old map which relates to names of the powerful monarchies and not merely people or ethnic group per se.

And as the map abundantly shows, your Ọmọ-n-ọba is no where to be found, while his father the Ọɣọ̀ni is recognized as the regional power.

Bini, know your relatively little place.

This one na hin dem call "killing me softly".

TAO has demoralized these Edo nuisances to the point they change identities frequently inbetween posts, and in the confusion of their helter skelter often counter argue and destroy a position they once stood on. What a calamity!

Yoruba is their father in ancient culture, their father in ancient history, their father in ancient art, their father in ancient civilization. In 2022 we remain their father in modern society. In the name of Oduduwa, Edo shall remain under our foot into eternity.

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oswardic:
I won't respond to your nonsense abusive junkie evidence that dated not as far as the ones the civilised Igodomigodo wrote as way back, you can now go ahead and make yourself look like one with sense even when everyone knows you're a diehard hater of the Benin heritage, but hold on, before you go about with your defeated arguments of "this one said he won't come back again"

Your plan is to drop the last punch and expects me not to write so whenever new reader sees it, then it would make you look like a winner, or one with a much proof of what people should believe, infact I lost interest in your argument the very day you said the history my people wrote is void and null because a brown skin people wrote it

This is here already, you can now go ahead and make your last abusive junkie proofs of written notes/history by your light yellow gods you call whites, whom you believe their writings than anything your fellow brownish skin can ever write, no wonder the Yoruba had no single written history, oh! I forgot, they were primitive people with no sense of education.

Don't bother to hear from me on this case again, take the floor you hateful retard!

Bye!



[s][/s]

Yorubas don't have written history but what a joke. Is that supposed to be a rebuttal born from pain and fiction. The written history you have you claim its biased and you're crying about it when it's referenced and shown to you that your obas had their ancestors from ife and paid homage to him but yet you're boasting here because you think they didn't write about us. Choose a struggle man, moreover they did write about us and the importance of their writings is that they were eye witnesses and collected traditions from the people of those times.

Ohh and Jacob egharevba is a black man last I checked. Your red herrings and ad hominem won't change the fact that the only history you like are revisions from thin air from the 1970s no wonder you're not even consistent with your rebuttals and ad hominems. Cry harder

Cc: Tao11

samuk:


It is now beyond doubt that the Benin/Ife connection is nothing but political. This connection came into existence after the end of Benin empire/kingdom in late 1890s.

There is absolutely nothing in Benin previous history that connects Benin to Ife by way of customs, tradition or history.

Europeans started visiting and writing about Benin since the 1400s and not once did they experience Benin having any connection with Ife. On the other hand, by the 1500s and on one of the Europeans numerous visits to Benin, they witnessed the Benin Ida war, said in Benin history to have started by Benin chief/s who created misunderstanding between the Attah of Igala (who was must likely a Benin descendant) and the Oba of Benin. Traditions had it that Benin dynasty was in Ida for almost 200 years, early 1500s to late 1600s.

If there was a Benin dynasty in Ida at this period, it makes sense and will not be out of place that there was also Benin shrine/s in Ida in the same period. So sending messages to the chief priest of a Benin shrine in Ida to inform him of the installation of a new Oba in Benin will not be out of place as documented by Europeans in the Ogane part of Benin history.

The old Benin empire/kingdom had several of such shrines. There are still several shrine in present Edo south senatorial district.

Example:

It's generally accepted that the annual Igue festival starts with Oba, then the princes and Princesses and the general population. In reality this is not the case. The Olokun shrine at Urhonigbe celebrates the Igue festival before the Oba of Benin.

The fact that Olokun N' Urhonigbe takes preeminence in Igue festival celebrations does not elevate it above the Oba of Benin, people like yourself who doesn't understand Benin traditions and customs will mistake this simple example as the Olokun N' Urhonigbe is superior. Benin sending a message to a Benin shrine, East of Benin in ancient times to inform the chief priest of the installation of a new Oba in Benin does not makes the chief priest superior to the Oba of Benin.

Throughout Benin history, all Benin shrines, gods and all known Kings have always be inferior to the Oba of Benin who was seen as God in human body or God's human representative on earth before 1897, some still believe this to be true.

The Europeans themselves witnessed in 1826, how the Alaafin, king of the entire yoruba people (kingdom/empire) relied on the Oba of Benin military superiority to keep his yoruba people in line.

Ogane written about in Benin history

The Ogane mentioned in Benin history was said to be located in a direction East of Benin, the closest location that matches the description of Ogane which Benin had a relationship with at this period of Benin history, late 1400s or early 1500s is Ida.

There is nothing in Benin history linking Benin history to present day Ife, Osun state which is geographically located West of Benin, a complete opposite direction from what was written down by the European who visited Benin. The direction and description doesn't fit the location of Ife in Osun state and there is nothing in both yoruba and Benin history to suggest that Benin had anything to do with Ife during this period of 1400s, 1500s, 1600s and 1700s, in fact Ife, Osun state was not mentioned in connection to Benin history until 1897. Some still believe this to be true.

The description of the messager with whiskers that was sent to Ogane as depicted in Benin artefacts matches similar Igala artefacts.

Further evidences dismissing Ife Osun state as Benin ancient Uhe.

Benin traditions agrees that a Benin prince Ekaladerhan who they believe became Oduduwa went to Ife after being banished from Benin.

The Benin Origin of this Benin prince has never been in doubt in Benin traditions, for the avoidance of doubts two successive Oba of Benin have repeatedly made this point clear.

There were no mention of Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan in Benin history between 1400s to 1897, when independent Europeans eyewitnesses documented Benin history.

Even early Yoruba writers such as Ajayi Crowder who returned to Nigeria around 1840 and wrote for several decades until his death in 1890 never wrote seeing Benin having any relationship with Ife.

If Benin had any connection with Ife as late as 1840 to 1890, Ajayi Crowder would have undoubtedly witnessed it and written about it.

Between 1840 to 1888, several burial and coronation of Benin Oba took place in Benin, if Ife had participated in any shape or form, Ajayi Crowder would have documented it.

Benin/Ife connection was the brain child of Samuel Johnson in 1897. No yoruba writers before him connected Benin with Ife.

Benin/Ife connection is a political fabricated story that started in 1897. The very fact that very senior Benin Palace chiefs laughed at the previous Ooni when he quoted Egharevba to support the yoruba position, should have been a clear indication to the yoruba that the Benin traditional council have more facts than they are willing to reveal.

Due to the obvious political and cultural benefits that accrues from it to the Benin traditional institution, there is no need to cause more damage to it than have already done, especially with the fact that millions of yoruba like yourself desperately want it to be true.

After thorough research, it appears that the Portuguese accounts likely referred to Eze NRI rather than Ile Ife. Initially, the narrative specifies that the journey was 20 moons walking days to the East of Benin. This calculation is straightforward; 20 moon days equate to 24 hours multiplied by 20 days. Additionally, considering they wouldn't be walking continuously, an estimated walking day might involve around 10 hours of travel before resting. Thus, the distance covered to the East amounts to 20 days multiplied by 10 hours of walking per day, resulting in approximately 200 km. Confirming this, a check on Google Maps reveals that the walking distance between Benin City and Nri ranges from 197 km to 207 km depending on the chosen route.

Interestingly, the distance from Benin to Ile Ife is also similar. However, Ile Ife is not situated to the East of Benin but rather to the North-West, unlike Nri, which lies exactly to the East of Benin city. Moreover, the article in question focused on a spiritual leader rather than a political figure, drawing comparisons to the Pope. Later European observers noted Nri's spiritual influence over numerous kingdoms, emphasizing their mutual independence rather than subordination to one another. This understanding is widespread in the Anambra region regarding Nri's spiritual sway, characterized by a lack of political conquests and a commitment to maintaining autonomy.

Based on this research, one could conclude that any community practicing Nri culture might be considered part of the Nri kingdom, as in ancient times, they saw themselves as unified under Nri's spiritual leadership.

Lastly, regarding the orientation of maps, it's worth noting that prior to the age of discovery, maps were commonly depicted with South at the top, following the conventions of ancient civilizations like the Egyptians. However, during the European age of discovery, maps were reoriented with North at the top, reflecting the dominance and perspective of European explorers. Through my research, it becomes evident that by this time, the Portuguese were indeed using maps with the North at the top, aligned with the current convention.

jellea:


After thorough research, it appears that the Portuguese accounts likely referred to Eze NRI rather than Ile Ife. Initially, the narrative specifies that the journey was 20 moons walking days to the East of Benin. This calculation is straightforward; 20 moon days equate to 24 hours multiplied by 20 days. Additionally, considering they wouldn't be walking continuously, an estimated walking day might involve around 10 hours of travel before resting. Thus, the distance covered to the East amounts to 20 days multiplied by 10 hours of walking per day, resulting in approximately 200 km. Confirming this, a check on Google Maps reveals that the walking distance between Benin City and Nri ranges from 197 km to 207 km depending on the chosen route.

Interestingly, the distance from Benin to Ile Ife is also similar. However, Ile Ife is not situated to the East of Benin but rather to the North-West, unlike Nri, which lies exactly to the East of Benin city. Moreover, the article in question focused on a spiritual leader rather than a political figure, drawing comparisons to the Pope. Later European observers noted Nri's spiritual influence over numerous kingdoms, emphasizing their mutual independence rather than subordination to one another. This understanding is widespread in the Anambra region regarding Nri's spiritual sway, characterized by a lack of political conquests and a commitment to maintaining autonomy.

Based on this research, one could conclude that any community practicing Nri culture might be considered part of the Nri kingdom, as in ancient times, they saw themselves as unified under Nri's spiritual leadership.

Lastly, regarding the orientation of maps, it's worth noting that prior to the age of discovery, maps were commonly depicted with South at the top, following the conventions of ancient civilizations like the Egyptians. However, during the European age of discovery, maps were reoriented with North at the top, reflecting the dominance and perspective of European explorers. Through my research, it becomes evident that by this time, the Portuguese were indeed using maps with the North at the top, aligned with the current convention.

Abeg, don’t rope the Igbo into this Yoruba-Benin mess. We are already dealing with a lot in this country as it is. Nri is not the only centre of influence located east of Benin. Idah is also east of Benin, and in fact there are a few scholars that have suggested the Ata Igala at Idah as a possible candidate for the “Ogane” ( for example, Thornton).

The Ooni of Ife in my opinion remains the most likely candidate - the reference by the Portuguese to an eastern location could be the result of communication barrier between the Europeans and their Edo informants.

RedboneSmith:


Abeg, don’t rope the Igbo into this Yoruba-Benin mess. We are already dealing with a lot in this country as it is. Nri is not the only centre of influence located east of Benin. Idah is also east of Benin, and in fact there are a few scholars that have suggested the Ata Igala at Idah as a possible candidate for the “Ogane” ( for example, Thornton).

The Ooni of Ife in my opinion remains the most likely candidate - the reference by the Portuguese to an eastern location could be the result of communication barrier between the Europeans and their Edo informants.

r
typical response of Yoruba man. Even Eze Nri does same to Attah Igala. The story is very clear. Remember, not just one person said this to the Portuguese. It says the inhabitant of this region (multiple sources of people living in Benin at the time).

And why was Ife not mentioned in the statement? I just proved to you that it was Nri king. History of benin and ife is about Oromiyan conquest of Igodomidogo. Its not Yoruba history. Its between Ife and Benin.

And you dont even bother to read about Eze Nris and what they do. They are spiritual leaders. They never conquered a land. It was always peaceful. many of these lies you guys portray will be exposed once more Igbo people start taking history serious.

I don't really want to tribalistic because at the end we are all one big family, but Yorubas like to change history. In the later articles, they try to find a way to insert ogane na uhe. Something that was never mentioned.

the igodomidogo, igalas and nri igbos are from one family. they are same people

TAO11:

Dummy, there was no Nigeria or southern Nigeria at the time of the map you attached.

The coastal/near coastal places annotated on the map are those with whom the Europeans are acquainted by virtue of significant trading activities. That’s all.


On the other hand, my much older map which shows the Latin annotation “Regnʋm Orgʋene” (The Ọɣọ̀nẹ’s Domain) shows no mention of Benin, Biafra, or any of the other Yorùbá kingdoms.

This map has nothing to do with trade relationship as the seat of the Ọɣọ̀ni (Ọọ̀ni) is not around the coast.

This map (by Martin Waldseemüller, 1513) intends to highlight the relevant regional powers at the time.

And Ifẹ turns out to be the regional power at the time. Benin, et al. apparently agrees to this information as this map abundantly shows.


That’s the actual point I’m making — that is, the level of how all the coastal/near coastal kingdoms (+ your Benin) submit & surrender to the overlordship of the Ọọ̀ni of Ifẹ.


It is very satisfying how I made you distance yourself from your @gregyboy account.

That’s exactly how it should be. Bini mugus must deny their accounts and their origin whenever I show up.

You actually wish to have an Oǹdó blood in you. You knew that Oǹdó palace traditions recognize Ifẹ as the origin of the Oǹdó kingdom.

You’re therefore desperate to associate with Ifẹ. Keep dreaming. But you remain a Bini slave of the present Ọmọ-n-Ọba and his predecessors who are all our sons from Ifẹ̀ (ibi tí ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá).

Cheers.

Yoruba stop spreading fake news. You guys are shameless. the map is fake and you know it. have a little bit of shame for yourself. The earliest map of poturguese about this area always show benin because thats who they met, and all other maps copied olders ones with new additions. YOu can never have Oni of ife mention without having beninin the map. and im not benin man. You guys have to be honest. Stop al this lies. Even oyo empire waas establiushed after oromiyan conqurred benin.

deceit is in your bloods. lying with no shame. only gods no the lies you guys have told since you were the first to start rewritting these history.

From ife to ibibio in southern nigeria was occupied by igala/igbo/igodomidogo/ijaw subgroups. they are same people except for ijaw. the yoruba of today comprieses of Mali immigrants from Timbuktu and other empires from there. They mixed up with these Igodomigodo stock in western Nigeria and corrupted there language. Thats why you share similar words but speak different language, different tone, different taste.

jellea:

r
typical response of Yoruba man. Even Eze Nri does same to Attah Igala. The story is very clear. Remember, not just one person said this to the Portuguese. It says the inhabitant of this region (multiple sources of people living in Benin at the time).

And why was Ife not mentioned in the statement? I just proved to you that it was Nri king. History of benin and ife is about Oromiyan conquest of Igodomidogo. Its not Yoruba history. Its between Ife and Benin.

And you dont even bother to read about Eze Nris and what they do. They are spiritual leaders. They never conquered a land. It was always peaceful. many of these lies you guys portray will be exposed once more Igbo people start taking history serious.

I don't really want to tribalistic because at the end we are all one big family, but Yorubas like to change history. In the later articles, they try to find a way to insert ogane na uhe. Something that was never mentioned.

the igodomidogo, igalas and nri igbos are from one family. they are same people

Which one is typical response of a Yoruba man? Are you one of those people here who assign ethnicities to people who disagree with your viewpoint because you don’t believe people are capable of being objective?

Is there any form of evidence you can advance for the “Ogane” being the Eze Nri, other than the reference to the east by two (not many, as you claim) Portuguese writers? If we are to take the Portuguese allusions to “east” as being literally accurate, is Nri the only important centre of culture and ritual east of Benin? Is Idah not east of Benin? Was it not also an important centre of culture, ritual and influence? And did not some historians actually postulate that the Ogane may have been the Attah? (I don’t think he was, but that’s not the point - the point is that the Eze Nri doesn’t necessarily fit the bill by being east of Benin.)

We actually have bronze works made by the Benin that represent the ambassadors sent by the Ogane to Benin. They all have cross pendants on their necks. Cross pendants are mentioned in the Portuguese writings and are linked with the Ogane. The ambassadors also have tribal marks which are similar to tribal marks found among some Okun-Yoruba groups.

See a representation of one of Ogane’s ambassadors here. Note the cross on his neck, which were alluded to several times by the Portuguese in relation to the Ogane. Does this look like an Nri man to you? Did any Igbo group ever use this type of facial marking?

jellea:
Yoruba stop spreading fake news. You guys are shameless. the map is fake and you know it. have a little bit of shame for yourself. The earliest map of poturguese about this area always show benin because thats who they met, and all other maps copied olders ones with new additions. YOu can never have Oni of ife mention without having beninin the map. and im not benin man. You guys have to be honest. Stop al this lies. Even oyo empire waas establiushed after oromiyan conqurred benin.

deceit is in your bloods. lying with no shame. only gods no the lies you guys have told since you were the first to start rewritting these history.

From ife to ibibio in southern nigeria was occupied by igala/igbo/igodomidogo/ijaw subgroups. they are same people except for ijaw. the yoruba of today comprieses of Mali immigrants from Timbuktu and other empires from there. They mixed up with these Igodomigodo stock in western Nigeria and corrupted there language. Thats why you share similar words but speak different language, different tone, different taste.

I will be here waiting maybe you will be man enough to help yourself and provide even one tiny shred of evidence to back-up even one line among all these many lines of wishes & imaginations you typed.

At that point, Nigerians & people in general MAY begin to take you serious — to either debunk what you bring as evidence or accept it depending on whether it is an actual evidence, or if it supports the specific wish you brought if for, or both.

Till then, take it easy with the tears. I no wan hear say tears enter wrong pipe & we lost him. 😂

RedboneSmith:


Which one is typical response of a Yoruba man? Are you one of those people here who assign ethnicities to people who disagree with your viewpoint because you don’t believe people are capable of being objective?

Is there any form of evidence you can advance for the “Ogane” being the Eze Nri, other than the reference to the east by two (not many, as you claim) Portuguese writers? If we are to take the Portuguese allusions to “east” as being literally accurate, is Nri the only important centre of culture and ritual east of Benin? Is Idah not east of Benin? Was it not also an important centre of culture, ritual and influence? And did not some historians actually postulate that the Ogane may have been the Attah? (I don’t think he was, but that’s not the point - the point is that the Eze Nri doesn’t necessarily fit the bill by being east of Benin.)

We actually have bronze works made by the Benin that represent the ambassadors sent by the Ogane to Benin. They all have cross pendants on their necks. Cross pendants are mentioned in the Portuguese writings and are linked with the Ogane. The ambassadors also have tribal marks which are similar to tribal marks found among some Okun-Yoruba groups.

See a representation of one of Ogane’s ambassadors here. Note the cross on his neck, which were alluded to several times by the Portuguese in relation to the Ogane. Does this look like an Nri man to you? Did any Igbo group ever use this type of facial marking?

I replied the way i did because of how you replied me. You did not give any reasons why it should not be Eze NRI. You said "abeg dont add igbo to this Benin and Yoruba matter" what kind of statement is that?

Igbo stock are the oldest in this region. So why do you always bring up your Ife of yesterday?? its very appalling. It is not Attah of Igala because Eze Nri also crowns Attah of Igala, just like he does with Benin Kings. Your stinking superiority complex will never allow you to read anything about Eze Nri. Ogane ins benin is a title. it means the great one. it is not specific to anyone. any king can be referred to as the great one. Ask beinn people about this. Why did your yoruba fake writers in the later version made sure to write ogane na uhe? when it was not mentioned in the first account. it is very embarassing and thats why im calling you guys out. Beside note that europeans were always trying to attribute any discovery to themselves. they will find a way to shift it to ife and befor you know it, they will shift it to mali, and from there to the arabs. thats how you will lose what you invented in africa. they used lots of yoruba writies to do this. also they told nri people that they are from Israel juts to discredit how old there civilization was.

Also reread the direct word from the author. He said Inhabitants of this region (he is talking about multiple sources). Im sure he himself wanted to make sure the direction each person he asked the question was right, therefore he kept asking different people he met in Benin at the time of the report.

I did not just conclude that its Eze Nri, rather I used igbo calendar days (moon calendar) to decipher this. Many Igbo researcher don't really care about this statement. If they did, they will even prove this beyond what i said. Even there is Igbo house in Ile ife meaning that Eze Nri may have done similar thing in the past there. Also Eze Nri himself said they perform this religious task for Benin in the past. Ask yourself where the so called founder of Benin died? where do they pay homage? obviously not Nri, but its in these same area and not to the west of Benin.

If it was not Ezeh Nri, then why do Benin still practice Nri culture of four market days, as well as Igala. You can deny and rewrite history as you want but the traces will there.

Oromiyan conquered both benin and Ife. yoruba its not from this area. They migrated from West. thats why you have huge number of them outside Nigeria borders. They got to Ife through war. thats why the name doesnt sound yoruba but rather igbo/igala. the further you go west, the more the language of yoruba is more prominent, proving that they only corrupted the language of those to the east of them.

in fact benin original language is like that of those from igbanke and anioma. politics is very bad. first is they start to add letters to there word and will keep pronouncing it differently. but if you breakdown the words, you will be shocked at what is going on. igbanke name for instance was igbo akiri. ibuzo was igbo bi na uzo.. even we are witnesing this first hand from ikwere just after the war in 1970. they started adding R prefix to all there words. umu changed to rumu.

its very annoying because i dont understand why people like to falsify history. and the young ones are falling for it. you dont have to be igbo because not everyone called igbo is actually igbo. igbo is jus ta general name for the group.. it doesnt mean they share same ancestor. benin,ibibio, igala and igbo are same group of people. but yoruba and ijaw are different from them, but dont allow people change your own history for peanut. Benin mornach is of yoruba, but the people are not. although oromiyan arrived with his amry from ife and they settled there. also benin had lots of slave villages. lots of immigrant there

TAO11:
I will be here waiting maybe you will be man enough to help yourself and provide even one tiny shred of evidence to back-up even one line among all these many lines of wishes & imaginations you typed.

At that point, Nigerians & people in general MAY begin to take you serious — to either debunk what you bring as evidence or accept it depending on whether it is an actual evidence, or if it supports the specific wish you brought if for, or both.

Till then, take it easy with the tears. I no wan hear say tears enter wrong pipe & we lost him. 😂

The map you shared is fake. I have never seen that map before. even when you look closely, you can tell that it was edited. but why would yoruba be this desperate. its why im getting angry? does it worth it.

Go and check the older maps of this region by the Portuguese. you will only see benin. later you start seeing calabar, and other shores , then zamfara, owerre (im even surprised about this). Biafra was in cameroun. i still could not find anything about this kindgom of Biafra. which explains what im telling you about the newer maps just copying the old map and adding their own discoveries to it.

the map would have been correct if Benin was mentioned along side Ife. the editor of that map was so desperate to make such terrible mistake its very shameful what a yoruba would do to feel superior. shame

jellea:
The map you shared is fake. I have never seen that map before. even when you look closely, you can tell that it was edited. but why would yoruba be this desperate. its why im getting angry? does it worth it.

Lmao! Why are you ignorant and still arrogant in your ignorance?😂 You have a brain, so why not use it?🤦🏾‍♂️

Name of Map: Tabula Moderna Prime Partis Aphricae

Cartographer: Martin Waldseemuller.

Period: Early 1500s.

Location: Strasbourg
——
Anyone with a functioning brain would first fact check the above details before rushing to reply.

Your next reply would inform me—whether you have simply been ignorant, or you’re an 'agnorant' person.

Go and check the older maps of this region by the Portuguese. you will only see benin. later you start seeing calabar, and other shores , then zamfara, owerre (im even surprised about this). Biafra was in cameroun. i still could not find anything about this kindgom of Biafra. which explains what im telling you about the newer maps just copying the old map and adding their own discoveries to it.

the map would have been correct if Benin was mentioned along side Ife. the editor of that map was so desperate to make such terrible mistake its very shameful what a yoruba would do to feel superior. shame

Show me any map earlier than the one I cited which shows Benin. Just one earlier than 1513 with Benin.

Mind you don’t just bring any map here, you must be able to demonstrate that it is earlier than 1513.

Cheers!

jellea:


I replied the way i did because of how you replied me. You did not give any reasons why it should not be Eze NRI. You said "abeg dont add igbo to this Benin and Yoruba matter" what kind of statement is that?

Igbo stock are the oldest in this region. So why do you always bring up your Ife of yesterday?? its very appalling. It is not Attah of Igala because Eze Nri also crowns Attah of Igala, just like he does with Benin Kings. Your stinking superiority complex will never allow you to read anything about Eze Nri. Ogane ins benin is a title. it means the great one. it is not specific to anyone. any king can be referred to as the great one. Ask beinn people about this. Why did your yoruba fake writers in the later version made sure to write ogane na uhe? when it was not mentioned in the first account. it is very embarassing and thats why im calling you guys out. Beside note that europeans were always trying to attribute any discovery to themselves. they will find a way to shift it to ife and befor you know it, they will shift it to mali, and from there to the arabs. thats how you will lose what you invented in africa. they used lots of yoruba writies to do this. also they told nri people that they are from Israel juts to discredit how old there civilization was.

Also reread the direct word from the author. He said Inhabitants of this region (he is talking about multiple sources). Im sure he himself wanted to make sure the direction each person he asked the question was right, therefore he kept asking different people he met in Benin at the time of the report.

I did not just conclude that its Eze Nri, rather I used igbo calendar days (moon calendar) to decipher this. Many Igbo researcher don't really care about this statement. If they did, they will even prove this beyond what i said. Even there is Igbo house in Ile ife meaning that Eze Nri may have done similar thing in the past there. Also Eze Nri himself said they perform this religious task for Benin in the past. Ask yourself where the so called founder of Benin died? where do they pay homage? obviously not Nri, but its in these same area and not to the west of Benin.

If it was not Ezeh Nri, then why do Benin still practice Nri culture of four market days, as well as Igala. You can deny and rewrite history as you want but the traces will there.

Oromiyan conquered both benin and Ife. yoruba its not from this area. They migrated from West. thats why you have huge number of them outside Nigeria borders. They got to Ife through war. thats why the name doesnt sound yoruba but rather igbo/igala. the further you go west, the more the language of yoruba is more prominent, proving that they only corrupted the language of those to the east of them.

in fact benin original language is like that of those from igbanke and anioma. politics is very bad. first is they start to add letters to there word and will keep pronouncing it differently. but if you breakdown the words, you will be shocked at what is going on. igbanke name for instance was igbo akiri. ibuzo was igbo bi na uzo.. even we are witnesing this first hand from ikwere just after the war in 1970. they started adding R prefix to all there words. umu changed to rumu.

its very annoying because i dont understand why people like to falsify history. and the young ones are falling for it. you dont have to be igbo because not everyone called igbo is actually igbo. igbo is jus ta general name for the group.. it doesnt mean they share same ancestor. benin,ibibio, igala and igbo are same group of people. but yoruba and ijaw are different from them, but dont allow people change your own history for peanut. Benin mornach is of yoruba, but the people are not. although oromiyan arrived with his amry from ife and they settled there. also benin had lots of slave villages. lots of immigrant there

You are still assuming I am Yoruba when I'm not. That reflects a defect in the way you think. "He believes the Ooni is the most likely candidate for the Ogane, therefore he must be Yoruba."

When you are ready to address the bronze works from Benin representing the Ogane’s ambassadors with Yoruba-like facial scarification, let me know. Not interested in this long-winded and deflective response.

Toodles. ✌🏽

RedboneSmith:


You are still assuming I am Yoruba when I'm not. That reflects a defect in the way you think. "He believes the Ooni is the most likely candidate for the Ogane, therefore he must be Yoruba."

When you are ready to address the bronze works from Benin representing the Ogane’s ambassadors with Yoruba-like facial scarification, let me know. Not interested in this long-winded and deflective response.

Toodles. ✌🏽

you are simply quoting the later articles on this, and not the original article written by the researcher. what do you take me for? you are the one deflecting, and not me. I just explained to you what what europeans did during slavery to justify their actions. they try to attribute any findings to either arab or rome influence in africa. thats why the earliest versions of their contact is more genuine than later versions. because portuguese only came for trading goods before slave even started

i think i have made my point bold and clear. you can believe whatever you want but it will never change the history. regarding the bronze you claimed that is found in Ife. i dont know anything about it. and i have not researched about it. but one thing for sure is the relationship between these kingdoms in the past is very complex. and not the way you see it today due to lies upon lies you told. i told you there is Igbo house in the same ile ife. how do you explain it?

TAO11:


Lmao! Why are you ignorant and still arrogant in your ignorance?😂 You have a brain, so why not use it?🤦🏾‍♂️

Name of Map: Tabula Moderna Prime Partis Aphricae

Cartographer: Martin Waldseemuller.

Period: Early 1500s.

Location: Strasbourg
——
Anyone with a functioning brain would first fact check the above details before rushing to reply.

Your next reply would inform me—whether you have simply been ignorant, or you’re an 'agnorant' person.


Show me any map earlier than the one I cited which shows Benin. Just one earlier than 1513 with Benin.

Mind you don’t just bring any map here, you must be able to demonstrate that it is earlier than 1513.

Cheers!

I just checked and it seems the map is not fake. also ogane there is for benin monarch. thats how they referred to him before they started calling there benin.

jellea:
I just checked and it seems the map is not fake. also ogane there is for benin monarch. thats how they referred to him before they started calling there benin.

no it doesn’t merely seem, it is indeed not. lmao 😅

your second point about ogane is so hilarious 🤣 you had agreed on this thread that the benins of old send
messengers from benin to the ogane requesting that the ogane please confirm the new benin king

but suddenly that the map is verified, the ogane must now be the same benin king who sends to the ogane.

basically the new incoming benin king is in benin and then he sends message to himself living far away that himself living far away should please confirm himself living in benin to become a legitimate king. lmao 😂

doesn’t this sound like crase man talk to you? loool.

anyway the benin term oghene which the portuguese guy transcribed as ogane is not benin king o 😂

see file-1 for edo dictionary by agheyisi (1986) & file-2 for bini dictionary by melzian (1937).

have peace. cheers! 😁

TAO11:
no it doesn’t merely seem, it is indeed not. lmao 😅

your second point about ogane is so hilarious 🤣 you had agreed on this thread that the benins of old send
messengers from benin to the ogane requesting that the ogane please confirm the new benin king

but suddenly that the map is verified, the ogane must now be the same benin king who sends to the ogane.

basically the new incoming benin king is in benin and then he sends message to himself living far away that himself living far away should please confirm himself living in benin to become a legitimate king. lmao 😂

doesn’t this sound like crase man talk to you? loool.

anyway the benin term oghene which the portuguese guy transcribed as ogane is not benin king o 😂

see file-1 for edo dictionary by agheyisi (1986) & file-2 for bini dictionary by melzian (1937).

have peace. cheers! 😁

how old are you please? ogane means the great one. im not here for banter stop bringing these yoruba corrupted histories.

TAO11:
I will be here waiting maybe you will be man enough to help yourself and provide even one tiny shred of evidence to back-up even one line among all these many lines of wishes & imaginations you typed.

At that point, Nigerians & people in general MAY begin to take you serious — to either debunk what you bring as evidence or accept it depending on whether it is an actual evidence, or if it supports the specific wish you brought if for, or both.

Till then, take it easy with the tears. I no wan hear say tears enter wrong pipe & we lost him. 😂

binis believe in power of bigotry
They start with insults and abuse then scream "yoruba are liars" then dont produce any evidence delightful folks lol

jellea:


how old are you please? ogane means the great one. im not here for banter stop bringing these yoruba corrupted histories.

he asked you to produce evidence like he did

1. Reported Location of Ogane is east of Benin.
2. Benin people have not gone into extinction, they know their history more than anyone else.
3. The Benin royal house whose ancestors were referred to in the history still exist.
4. There are no evidence that Benin had anything to do with Osun Ife which is west of Benin until after the last independent oba of Benin, Ovonramwen was dethroned in 1897.
5. Benin/Ida/Igala connection is very well documented since the 1500s.
6. The photos below speaks for themselves.
7. It's the Igala people that were depicted in Benin artefacts, not yoruba.