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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 7:55pm On Mar 08, 2022
sanpipita:


But most conservative laws don't give this exemption, in Poland a woman died despite the fact the pregnancy was a threat to her life, Texas and Florida are making strict anti abortions and people are not seeing the problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jan/27/protests-flare-across-poland-after-death-of-young-mother-denied-an-abortion

What's strict about texas abortion law?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by chopnaira: 7:58pm On Mar 08, 2022
armyofone:
I really don't understand why two adults who decided to make love aren't conscious enough to remember the consequences right away and make sure there is condom to go round.
There are contraceptive to use. Men always claim to like it raw undecided
If a guy says no to condom, you should gladly walk out.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nastymods: 8:02pm On Mar 08, 2022
chopnaira:

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by chopnaira: 8:04pm On Mar 08, 2022
Nastymods:

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 8:32pm On Mar 08, 2022
sanpipita:


But most conservative laws don't give this exemption, in Poland a woman died despite the fact the pregnancy was a threat to her life, Texas and Florida are making strict anti abortions and people are not seeing the problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jan/27/protests-flare-across-poland-after-death-of-young-mother-denied-an-abortion

Conservative laws are partly driven by religiosity. Even religious doctrines are being adjusted based on modern realities and new information.

Abortion should be legal under certain circumstances (hsrf choice to save the mother's. Just the same way euthanasia doesn't mean freedom to kill elderly or sick people at will.

I have an issue with Liberal agreeing to legality of abortion under ANY circumstance.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by armyofone(m): 9:51pm On Mar 08, 2022
chopnaira:

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chopnaira:

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 11:43pm On Mar 08, 2022
Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio arrested this morning in his underwear in Miami for conspiracy in connection with the J6 insurrection

https://twitter.com/i/status/1501280172150079489

---Enrique Tarrio with his 'Proud Boys'---

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 11:53pm On Mar 08, 2022
feedthenation:
Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio arrested this morning in his underwear in Miami for conspiracy in connection with the J6 insurrection

https://twitter.com/i/status/1501280172150079489

---Enrique Tarrio with his 'Proud Boys'---

Abuse of power. They have to push this Jan 6 thing hoping for fools to fall for it.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 12:13am On Mar 09, 2022
Did this even happen during medieval times, we will soon be asked how this is strict.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:14am On Mar 09, 2022
DissTroy:

In today's world of advanced medicine, abortion should only be when the foetus threatens the mother's life healthwise or in cases of rape, else it is murder. There are contraceptives to use.

No matter how you spin it, if you take a life for no justifiable reason at its basics, you are a murderer.

According to you perhaps. There are many countrys on this planet earth where you'd find it impossible to charge one for it, that's for sure, and you ain't anyone's god, disstroy.

But see what you did there. Not a murderer if, "only be when the foetus threatens the mother's life healthwise or in cases of rape", lol.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 11:08am On Mar 09, 2022
The new GQP agenda this midterm is to attack the LGBTQ community especially trans people cool

Missouri is proposing a bill to ban women from getting abortions outside the state.

This attack on people's liberties from the so-called party of liberty is alarming.

I have been saying this since the time of agent orange that the modern republican party has no platform apart from culture wars but expect poor illiterate dummies to keep voting them in.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 11:32am On Mar 09, 2022
sanpipita:


But most conservative laws don't give this exemption, in Poland a woman died despite the fact the pregnancy was a threat to her life, Texas and Florida are making strict anti abortions and people are not seeing the problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jan/27/protests-flare-across-poland-after-death-of-young-mother-denied-an-abortion

The sad part of the abortion bans is that they don't really stop abortions anywhere in the world they only make quacks and life threatening options become available

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 11:57am On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


According to you perhaps. There are many countrys on this planet earth where you'd find it impossible to charge one for it, that's for sure, and you ain't anyone's god, disstroy.

But see what you did there. Not a murderer if, "only be when the foetus threatens the mother's life healthwise or in cases of rape", lol.

Abortion is valid only when the mother's life is threatened. It's not murder but the humane choice.

If someone points a gun at you and keeps shooting and the last option to neutralize him is to kill him, you didn't commit murder. You were defending your life.

The foetus threatening the mother's life isn't murder.

Murder occurs when malicious intent is established.


Even in places where abortion is forbidden, a threat to the mother's life by the foetus as a last option by abortion can be sanctioned by it's father or the health official. Go check.

You wouldn't know this because deductive thinking isn't your strong point. So, yes, go ahead - 'LOL' like a simpleton, typically. smiley

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:19pm On Mar 09, 2022
DissTroy:


Abortion is valid only when the mother's life is threatened. It's not murder but the humane choice.

If someone points a gun at you and keeps shooting and the last option to neutralize him is to kill him, you didn't commit murder. You were defending your life.

The foetus threatening the mother's life isn't murder.

Murder occurs when malicious intent is established.

What "malicious intent is established", diss, when someone aborts, and in what country?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:22pm On Mar 09, 2022
AmazonTopaz:
The new GQP agenda this midterm is to attack the LGBTQ community especially trans people cool

Missouri is proposing a bill to ban women from getting abortions outside the state.

This attack on people's liberties from the so-called party of liberty is alarming.

I have been saying this since the time of agent orange that the modern republican party has no platform apart from culture wars but expect poor illiterate dummies to keep voting them in.

I hope they come out midterm with all guns blazing so the entire world could see their spots.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 3:19pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


What "malicious intent is established", diss, when someone aborts, and in what country?

The foetus is a human life! Argue what you want. Malicious intent is taking that human life that has formed because you can or you find it irritating or an impedance when it isn't a threat to you.

If you shoot a person who simply stole a mango which fell from your car, you would be tried for murder. If you shoot an armed robber who invaded your house, it's manslaughter.

Unless that growing child pose a medical threat to you, aborting it is murder. You took a life for flimsy reasons without exploring other options.

Countries which ban abortion do so because it puts the mother at risk (multiple abortion does) and it's killing a life. Mostly templated on morality. Letting the mother die to save the child is considered less moral so that law is laxxed.

Many women having indiscriminate sex just wake up to abort. What's the justification for that? You are taking another life. Just because it formed in you doesn't make you own it. That's why mothers can lose custody of the children they birthed.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:28pm On Mar 09, 2022
DissTroy:


The foetus is a human life!

Who are you to try to impose this on those who don't agree with it?

And where did you learn that the foetus is not getting its human life from the human body it is in?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:37pm On Mar 09, 2022
DissTroy:

Many women having indiscriminate sex just wake up to abort. What's the justification for that?

Diss the lies you tell yourself to blind yourself to reality. But let's do the maths, shall we.

"Women having indiscriminate sex", like twice a year and get pregnant, diss, or more? Let's say twice a year. So two abortions a year for one woman. You believe that, diss? For a "women having indiscriminate sex"?

If she don't like having indiscriminate sex, perhaps, but if she did like having indiscriminate sex, she's more the type to not get pregnant in the first place, unless you are working on the idea of her having lesser brains too.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 3:46pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


Who are you to try to impose this on those who don't agree with it?

And where did you learn that the foetus is not getting its human life from the human body it is in?


No. You are manufacturing arguments.

Let's get this straight:

According to Budaatum, a foetus - a living being- with its own tissue and forming organs is nothing more than an extension of his mother? It's nothing more than a vestigial organ that can be cut away or sliced according to the mood of his mother, yes?

By implication, a child is nothing more than a disposable property of its mother so she can kill or enslave him if she likes?

So, let's say a wombed child and his mother are Siamese twins; so Siamese twins are not individuals and one twin treated like an organ?

Where do you manufacture your facts from?

Budaatum, is a foetus a living or a dead thing with different DNA?

Yes or no? Just answer this before the elongated replies.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:52pm On Mar 09, 2022
Spin this however straight you want to justify your supposed righteousness, diss, the facts remain that in the majority of countries on earth abortion is not murder.

DissTroy:


No. You are manufacturing arguments.

Let's get this straight:

According to Budaatum, a foetus - a living being- with its own tissue and forming organs is nothing more than an extension of his mother? It's nothing more than a vestigial organ that can be cut away or sliced according to the mood of his mother, yes?

By implication, a child is nothing more than a disposable property of its mother so she can kill or enslave him if she likes?

So, let's say a wombed child and his mother are Siamese twins; so Siamese twins are not individuals and one twin treated like an organ?

Where do you manufacture your facts from?

Budaatum, is a foetus a living or a dead thing with different DNA?

Yes or no? Just answer this before the elongated replies.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nastymods: 4:16pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


Who are you to try to impose this on those who don't agree with it?

And where did you learn that the foetus is not getting its human life from the human body it is in?


donkey ye
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nastymods: 4:18pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


[s]Diss the lies you tell yourself to blind yourself to reality. But let's do the maths, shall we.

"Women having indiscriminate sex", like twice a year and get pregnant, diss, or more? Let's say twice a year. So two abortions a year for one woman. You believe that, diss? For a "women having indiscriminate sex"?

If she don't like having indiscriminate sex, perhaps, but if she did like having indiscriminate sex, she's more the type to not get pregnant in the first place, unless you are working on the idea of her having lesser brains too.[/s]

i not understand donkey
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nastymods: 4:21pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:
Spin this however straight you want to justify your supposed righteousness, diss, the facts remain that in the majority of countries on earth abortion is not murder.




majority isa think so ita must ah be correct. donkey ye grin grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:27pm On Mar 09, 2022
Nastymods:


majority isa think so ita must ah be correct. donkey ye grin grin grin

Yes actually.

Unless you live in antidemocratic Afghanistan where you impose your rule, it's Roe v Wade, decided by a majority.

Or is democracy nasty to you?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:37pm On Mar 09, 2022
AmazonTopaz:
The new GQP agenda this midterm is to attack the LGBTQ community especially trans people cool

Missouri is proposing a bill to ban women from getting abortions outside the state.

This attack on people's liberties from the so-called party of liberty is alarming.

I have been saying this since the time of agent orange that the modern republican party has no platform apart from culture wars but expect poor illiterate dummies to keep voting them in.

This so called attack on trans people is to ban anyone performing hormone therapy and sex change surgery on a minor

Which sensible person will even want a minor who is still deciding who they want to be make life changing decisions. Life changing decisions like that should only be made when you are an adult who can fully understand the impact

When you see a 9yr old say he feels like becoming spiderman, go and approve surgery to give him wings to start jumping

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:39pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


I hope they come out midterm with all guns blazing so the entire world could see their spots.

Do you also support trans-women participating in the same sport with cis-women, with trans-women breaking all the records?

Do you also support a child to make transitioning when he cant even legally make many decisions in life?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:49pm On Mar 09, 2022
raumdeuter:


Do you also support trans-women participating in the same sport with cis-women, with trans-women breaking all the records?

Do you also support a child to make transitioning when he cant even legally make many decisions in life?

Raud, please. These have absolutely no relationship to abortion, so don't "also" at me!

No, I don't support trans participating in the same sport with women. My opinion is you should participate in the gender you are born with. And I do not support children transitioning.

That's my opinion, however. It is also my opinion that we humans are working these things out, and perhaps a time will come when gender becomes irrelevant in sport with men and women competing together where reasonable, like half of each in a team, though I can't imagine it in boxing

My point is, I don't decide for the entire world, nor am I some God who gets to impose what I want on everyone, Raud. Least not in a democracy!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:49pm On Mar 09, 2022
These are the so called war on trans laws. Seems the Democrats have taken a departure from common sense as usual

Texas’ transgender student athletes will be restricted from playing on K-12 school sports teams that align with their gender identity under a bill Gov. Greg Abbott signed into law Monday.

House Bill 25, authored by state Rep. Valoree Swanson, R-Spring, will require student athletes who compete in interscholastic competition to play on sports teams that correspond with the sex listed on their birth certificate at or near their time of birth. It is set to go into effect Jan. 18.

The legislation goes further than current rules from the University Interscholastic League, which governs school sports in Texas. Under current UIL rules, a student’s gender is determined by their birth certificate. But UIL also accepts legally modified birth certificates in which someone may have had their sex changed to align with their gender identity.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/25/texas-transgender-students-sports/
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:52pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


Raud, please. These have absolutely no relationship to abortion, so don't "also" at me!

No, I don't support trans participating in the same sport with women. My opinion is you should participate in the gender you are born with. And I do not support children transitioning.

That's my opinion, however. It is also my opinion that we humans are working these things out, and perhaps a time will come when gender becomes irrelevant in sport with men and women competing together where reasonable, like half of each in a team, though I can't imagine it in boxing

My point is, I don't decide for the entire world, nor am I some God who gets to impose what I want on everyone, Raud. Least not in a democracy!

You quoted a posted by a poster who commented on the war on trans, yet your opinion is the exact thing the Republicans are saying which is called war on trans

I know that most reasonable people will not support boys participating in girls sport since Biologically they are both different and no reasonable person will support a minor making a life decision like transitioning and sex change surgeries

Law and govt are entrusted to make laws governing people, They do not have to be God to make some decisions, They don't have to be God to make and enforce laws mandating children get to a certain age before they can make certain decisions
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:54pm On Mar 09, 2022
Another of the so called war on trans people

Medical care such as puberty blockers, which temporarily pause puberty, hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries “must be halted,” he said in a statement Monday. He added that the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services “has a responsibility to act accordingly.”

“I’ll do everything I can to protect against those who take advantage of and harm young Texans,” Paxton said. He released the opinion in response to an inquiry from state Rep. Matt Krause, a Republican, who asked whether treatments for transgender youth could be considered child abuse.

An opinion from an attorney general is an interpretation of existing law that doesn’t change the law itself.

The issue has been part of a monthslong back-and-forth between Paxton, Gov. Greg Abbott and the Department of Family and Protective Services after the state Legislature last year failed to pass a bill that would’ve made providing gender-affirming care to minors a felony alongside physical and sexual abuse and sex trafficking.

Paxton and supporters of restrictions argue that gender-affirming care is “experimental,” and that minors are too young to consent to such care.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:57pm On Mar 09, 2022
raumdeuter:


This so called attack on trans people is to ban anyone performing hormone therapy and sex change surgery on a minor

Which sensible person will even want a minor who is still deciding who they want to be make life changing decisions. Life changing decisions like that should only be made when you are an adult who can fully understand the impact

When you see a 9yr old say he feels like becoming spiderman, go and approve surgery to give him wings to start jumping

Raud, please! When did you relinquish me the parent of the responsibility of making "Life changing decisions like that for a 9yr old"?

If my "9yr old say he feels like becoming spiderman", is it my child that is not correct in the head or me buda?

And what do you think my 9 year old that I refused to take responsibility for will think when it is 18yr old, or 30?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 5:00pm On Mar 09, 2022
budaatum:


Raud, please! When did you relinquish me the parent of the responsibility of making "Life changing decisions like that for a 9yr old"?

If my "9yr old say he feels like becoming spiderman", is it my child that is not correct in the head or me buda?

And what do you think my 9 year old that I refused to take responsibility for will think when it is 18yr old, or 30?

Your 9year old cannot make the surgery himself, The parent needs to give consent and a doctor needs to perform the procedure

The law is holding anyone who makes that decision, parent, guardian, teacher and doctor part of a criminal conspiracy to mutilate a child

A 9yr old who decides to be a spiderman, cannot do the surgery himself, a Parent/guardian/doctor will have to do that

Minors can say anything or wish all they want, They cant do anything about it until they are of age

Same way a 5yr old might wish to get married but wont be able to until he is of age

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