God created us all. When sin came into the world and man was condemned. God the Father sent Jesus Christ who is also God to die for our sins.

There should therefore not be anyone in this life that you would love more than God. He is the only person that you have a guarantee to be with forever. Even if your spouse doesn't leave you while on earth, he or she will leave you when you die. It's only God that you will be with forever, so in comparison, there's nobody on Earth that you should love more than you love God.

Now when you love God this greatly helps your relationship with your spouse because you will relate with her based on your love for God. The God kind of Love (agape) is the greatest kind of Love there is. So you see the best thing you can ever do in life is to love and value your relationship with God more than that of your spouse.

it always saddens me when I see Christian wives convert to Islam because of their husbands or boyfriends. Why will you lose eternal salvation over 40 years of happiness (which is usually not the case). My dear brothers and sister please always make it a point to love God more than you love your spouse. Let God be the final say in your relationship or marriage not your feelings, not your love for your spouse, nothing else but God. God bless you all

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:25

Love is earned, never commanded. In all cases in life, you earn love, we see that in relationships between people, parents, partners etc. When love is commanded, it becomes an abuse, it shows they do not understand human emotions.


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rottennaija:
Love is earned, never commanded. In all cases in life, you earn someone's love, we see that in relationships people engage in. When love is commanded, it becomes an abuse.

Is someone dying for you not a good enough reason to love the person?

True!

Dtruthspeaker:
True!

So it's possible for you to agree with me?

michaelwestern:

So it's possible for you to agree with me?

Oh yes! When you are absolutely and Flawlessly True.

michaelwestern:
1. Now when you love God this greatly helps your relationship with your spouse because you will relate with her based on your love for God. The God kind of Love (agape) is the greatest kind of Love there is. So you see the best thing you can ever do in life is to love and value your relationship with God more than that of your spouse.

2. it always saddens me when I see Christian wives convert to Islam because of their husbands or boyfriends.

3. Why will you lose eternal salvation over 40 years of happiness (which is usually not the case). My dear brothers and sister please always make it a point to love God more than you love your spouse. Let God be the final say in your relationship or marriage not your feelings, not your love for your spouse, nothing else but God. God bless you all

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:25

1. Interesting!

2. Aren't you one of those who teach women to submit themselves to their husbands because they are heads over them in much the same way Jesus Christ is head over His Church?

Why fault the same women you indoctrinate with your lies when they follow the same head over their head whatever direction he goes? Let me guess, your false doctrine should only be applied in one situation but not all?,

3. Jesus Christ's offer of Salvation is from the curse God placed on mankind in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22. So any man and woman who submits to living life under the curse (even in marriage - Genesis 3 vs 16) forfeits God's redemption from the curse through Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting!

2. Aren't you one of those who teach women to submit themselves to their husbands because they are heads over them in much the same way Jesus Christ is head over His Church?

Why fault the same women you indoctrinate with your lies when they follow the same head over their head whatever direction he goes? Let me guess, your false doctrine should only be applied in one situation but not all?,

3. Jesus Christ's offer of Salvation is from the curse God placed on mankind in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22. So any man and woman who submits to living life under the curse (even in marriage - Genesis 3 vs 16) forfeits God's redemption from the curse through Jesus Christ.

Your question is a very simple one. You submit to God first, then next your husband. The Bible also asked us honour our parents but that doesn't mean that you will honour them more than God. In everything, it's God first.

Nobody on earth, be it father, mother, husband, wife, pastor, children, boss etc is worth more honour, respect, submission and love than God. Whenever you read anything in the Bible always know that it's God first.

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Matthew 12:30

michaelwestern:
1. Your question is a very simple one. You submit to God first, then next your husband.

2. The Bible also asked us honour our parents but that doesn't mean that you will honour them more than God. In everything, it's God first. Nobody on earth, be it father, mother, husband, wife, pastor, children, boss etc is worth more honour, respect, submission and love than God.

3. Whenever you read anything in the Bible always know that it's God first.. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Matthew 12:30

1. Nice try, but I am afraid you have it wrong!.

Jesus Christ made it clear to His followers that it is impossible to be submitted to two masters/head in the Kingdom of God. So it is impossible for a woman to submit to both her husband and Jesus Christ at the same time.

Also impossible to chose to live under curse and at the same time claim the salvation offered by Jesus Christ from the very same curse. You can't have one foot under the curse and the other foot in Jesus Christ- impossicant.

2. God's Old Covenant Law of Moses was given only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins and this as Law for living in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. God never extended that Law towards the gentiles who didn't live in the land of Canaan, ever.

Now recall, when Jesus Christ came, He came to call sinners of the Old Law of Moses, to a New Covenant and Master, meaning the Jews who chose Jesus Christ were redeemed from following the Old Law and made alive in the New.

So, the commandments regarding honoring parents have absolutely nothing to do with anyone in Jesus Christ whose New Covenant Law requires instead that those who will become worthy of Him hate their parents, children, wife, husband, etc., for His sake..

3. Whenever you read anything in your Bible, always pay attention to the context of the messge you read and make sure to place God's Word, Jesus Christ, above the words of every other man's word contained.

If you has paid attention to context for instance, you would have realized then that the verse you quoted references Old Covenant Law of Moses Law - found documented in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers. and Deuteronomy- and not New Covenant Laws given by Jesus Christ to His followers.

Kobojunkie:
1. Nice try, but I am afraid you have it wrong!.

Jesus Christ made it clear to His followers that it is impossible to be submitted to two masters/head in the Kingdom of God. So it is impossible for a woman to submit to both her husband and Jesus Christ at the same time.

Also impossible to chose to live under curse and at the same time claim the salvation offered by Jesus Christ from the very same curse. You can't have one foot under the curse and the other foot in Jesus Christ- impossicant.

2. God's Old Covenant Law of Moses was given only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins and this as Law for living in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. God never extended that Law towards the gentiles who didn't live in the land of Canaan, ever.

Now recall, when Jesus Christ came, He came to call sinners of the Old Law of Moses, to a New Covenant and Master, meaning the Jews who chose Jesus Christ were redeemed from following the Old Law and made alive in the New.

So, the commandments regarding honoring parents have absolutely nothing to do with anyone in Jesus Christ whose New Covenant Law requires instead that those who will become worthy of Him hate their parents, children, wife, husband, etc., for His sake..

3. Whenever you read anything in your Bible, always pay attention to the context of the messge you read and make sure to place God's Word, Jesus Christ, above the words of every other man's word contained.

If you has paid attention to context for instance, you would have realized then that the verse you quoted references Old Covenant Law of Moses Law - found documented in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers. and Deuteronomy- and not New Covenant Laws given by Jesus Christ to His followers.

Submission is not an old testament commandment. Do you read your Bible?

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Col 3:18

Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Ephesians 5:21-22

From Ephesians you can see it clearly that you submit to God first, then to your husband.

I'm not talking about being condemned by the law. I'm not saying that if you don't submit to your husband you will lose your salvation or go to hell. Jesus Christ already paid the price for all sins, all you have to do believe in Jesus Christ and accept the forgiveness for your sins.

Rather, I'm telling you about the way that God has structured the home to work efficiently as specified by the Bible. Do you think that God wants women to be unhappy in their marriages? Obeying God by submitting to your husband won't make you unhappy in your marriage. God wants to bless your home, you just have to trust him and obey him.

michaelwestern:
Submission is not an old testament commandment. Do you read your Bible?

I never said submission in marriage is an Old Covenant commandment- God forbid!

Instead, submission is a result of God's curse on marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16, and it is from that curse, and all the others in in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 that Jesus Christ came to redeem us from.

Kobojunkie:
I never said submission in marriage is an Old Covenant commandment- God forbid!

Instead, submission is a result of God's curse on marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16, and it is from that curse, and all the others in in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 that Jesus Christ came to redeem us from.

I've modified my post. There was no curse for wives to submit to their husbands in the book of Genesis, if you disagree, you can show me. There was only a general curse for women and also men. I don't believe that women should submit to men. The new testament commandment is for wives to submit to their husbands, not for women to submit to men. Women are not expected to submit to every man the come across, they're only required to submit to their husbands.

Kobojunkie:
Instead, submission is a result of God's curse on marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16,

This is pure lie against scripture and God, Gen 3vs16 was never about submission of a woman to her husband.

and it is from that curse, and all the others in in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 that Jesus Christ came to redeem us from.

If this assertion is true, does your wife gave birth to your child(ren) in pain?

Do you still labor before you eat?

Do you eat torn that earth produced?

These are the results of Genesis curse.

Definitely, you must have misinterpreted and misunderstood those verses.

michaelwestern:
1. I've modified my post. There was no curse for wives to submit to their husbands in the book of Genesis, if you disagree, you can show me.

2. There was only a general curse for women and also men.

3. I don't believe that women should submit to men. The new testament commandment is for wives to submit to their husbands, not for women to submit to men. Women are not expected to submit to every man the come across, they're only required to submit to their husbands.

1. Genesis 3 vs 16

2. In Genesis 3 vs 16 God cursed marriage, and child birth.

3. There is no new testament commandment that wives submit to their husbands. Jesus Christ never gave His followers any such rules.

Kobojunkie:
1. Genesis 3 vs 16

2. In Genesis 3 vs 16 God cursed marriage, and child birth.

3. There is no new testament commandment that wives submit to their husbands. Jesus Christ never gave His followers any such rules.

I just gave you two examples from the new testament or am i missing something?

michaelwestern:
I just gave you two examples from the new testament or am i missing something?

What Two examples are you referring to and what have they to do with this?

Kobojunkie:
What Two examples are you referring to and what have they to do with this?

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Col 3:18


Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Ephesians 5:22

michaelwestern:
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Col 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Ephesians 5:22

Ok, but Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Law and New Covenant is the Kingdom of God never gave you any such commandments as the one's contained in the above verses you quoted.

And no man has authority given them by God, or even Jesus Christ, to add/change/remove commandments from God's Law in the name of God or Jesus Christ. So?

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To top it all off, those commandments indicated above in those verses contradict
* God Himself by declaring His curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 as instead commandments, this the same God to proclaims that that which is cursed cannot stand His presence.
* Jesus Christ who proclaimed that He alone is Mastee/Head over each who belongs to Him.

Kobojunkie:
Ok, but Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Law and New Covenant is the Kingdom of God never gave you any such commandments as the one's contained in the above verses you quoted.

And no man has authority given them by God, or even Jesus Christ, to add/change/remove commandments from God's Law in the name of God or Jesus Christ. So?

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To top it all off, those commandments indicated above in those verses contradict
* God Himself by declaring His curse as instead commandments of some sort.
* Jesus Christ who proclaimed that He alone is Mastee/Head over each who belongs to Him.

I can no longer continue with this discussion. Every book in the new testament (Mathew to Revelation) is the Word of God, you shouldn't pick and choose which ones to to follow.

michaelwestern:
I can no longer continue with this discussion. Every book in the new testament (Mathew to Revelation) is the Word of God, you shouldn't pick and choose which ones to to follow.

Jesus Christ is the one whom it is written of scripture as being the Word of God - the very Word our of God's own mouth and He alone is God's Truth, this again, as it is written in scripture.

When you elevate the words of men, of Satan and of demon to the same status as God's own Word, all contained in the same scripture, you do so in sin against God who commands that when it concerns the accounts of men, that only by the accounts of two or three witnesses, shall a Truth be established.