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What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Penguin2: 3:01pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Yea! That’s the question… what if Jesus of Nazareth, whom we are celebrating his death and resurrection today, was not the Christ? This question is prompted by the fact that the Jews, whom Christ was originally promised, has maintained till this day, that the Christ promised them is yet to come. So many prophesies were made of the coming of Christ by so many prophets; from Prophet Isaiah to Prophet Malachi. These prophets described how Christ would be born of a virgin and at Bethlehem. But none of these prophets prophesied that the Jews will not recognize the Christ when He is born. So, are those who believed that Jesus is Christ more knowledgeable than the Jews to whom Christ was promised? Is it justified that God will send the Christ in a way that those for whom He was promised would not know it’s Him? Why did God not reveal to the Jewish leaders that the saviour he promised them was already among them? So, what if Jesus of Nazareth was just a Muhammed Yusuf of his time, who formed a group of followers and started some erroneous teachings like the Nigerian Boko Haram? And even when He was killed, his brainwashed followers continued to preach he was God until Emperor Constantine swallowed the hook and made Christianity the state Religion of Rome and in extension that of the West? The gospel of Luke or John (don’t recall which) said that after Jesus was laid in a tomb and covered with a stone, the Jewish Authorities sent soldiers to watch the tomb to see if Christ will resurrect like He said. It is said that these soldiers ‘fell asleep’ and woke up to see that Christ had resurrected but they went and ‘lied’ to the Pharisees that Jesus’ disciples came and stole him. What if Jesus’ disciples actually came to steal him from the tomb just to make sure that what He said of resurrection comes to pass? This question should not be seen as a question of an unbeliever but of a believer seeking deeper understanding. Let us think together! Penguin is a bird of reason! Lalasticlala |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Aonkuuse(m): 3:02pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Bro... You ask this question because you didn't care to go on investigation by reading the account of Jesus both in the bible and from historians. 1 Like |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Oche211(m): 3:06pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Penguin2:Please rest... Let's celebrate Easter without unnecessary argument. If the Jews don't recognize him, let's wait till the end of time to get the real truth. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 3:12pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
You talked about prophecies to determine the coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus eventually came, confirmed the prophecies, did wonders like they said he ll do it (Isaiah, Elijah, John etc all spoke about the coming of Jesus), signs of star of his birth confirmed it, the 3 wise men's special gift, the pursue by Herod the great, he indeed had an encounter with Satan, demons recognised him & bowed (the mad man of Garderine), raising the dead, healing the sick, his conduct, his lifestyle & teachings. His apostles had Pentecost which was publicly confirmed, they did signs & wonders. If Peter & other disciples account were false, what about Paul's account? Paul had a personal confirmed encounter on his way to Damascus. What about the numerous prophecies of endtime that has come to pass eg: WW1, WW2, HIV/AIDS, SARS, COVID-19, the present Ukraine-Russia war and so on. Yet you this Penguin2 from Madagascar now said Christ is not Christ. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. The Jews may not believe cos a King is often despised in his hometown. But they know there ll be rapture. Also, the way of God is not the way of man. How God ll judge everyone is unknown. Jews, non Christians & Christians ll make heaven. So you this Penguin2, be a good boy. Even if you aren't a Christian. Be of good conduct. Behaviour is our beauty. 2 Likes |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:13pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
There's indisputable proof today that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) but i don't know how you will welcome this truth when revealed to you! ![]() |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Penguin2: 3:17pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum: Remember that history is told by the victors. The books we’ve read about Jesus are books by supporters of Jesus. Books written by his followers, His disciples. If the West had allowed the books written against Jesus to survive, maybe we may have gotten an equally compelling argument and prove of why Jesus is not the Christ. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Uprightness100(m): 3:19pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Very Useless thought and question, that will add nothing to your life here and in Eternity. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 3:24pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Penguin2:Who wrote other books you v written? Are they not people who witnessed or knew what happened? Who wrote the books of ancient people? Their enemies abi? You this small boys in the mind v the temerity to ask illogical questions about Christianity cos of the tolerance of Jesus which Christians carry. But them no born you all well to question Islam or Muhammad. Cos you all know you may lose your heads next morning or get bombed with your generation. Una too get disrespect for the religion of peace, breakthrough, human right & humanity. The religion that support good life. I v answered your curiosity about the genuineness of the Jesus Christ which is celebrated this Easter period. He's the Messiah that came as a man & is still coming back for rapture. I m not here to convert you to Christianity but to tell you logic. Since atheists & other unbelievers believe in logic. Be of good conduct. Don't cheat people. Have empathy. These 3 alone ll drive you to Christ. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Penguin2: 3:39pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum: Lol! Don’t call me small boy for refusing to agree with you. I’m sure you have not read of the things done be early Christians in a bid to convert people who refused to accept Christ. Wars were fought. Massacres were carried out. People were publicly executed. And books and writings, which did not conform with the narrative of Jesus being the Christ, the Messiah and Saviour of the world, were burnt. Libraries were raided to make sure such books did not survive. How would you now read the other side of the narrative? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Snitch24(m): 3:51pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum:Shut up |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 4:06pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Penguin2:I know about the stories of the early Christians. Some were persecuted, some decided to carry take it personal & fought wars (the crusaders) and so on. A Christian life is a life of Christ. Empathy, kindness, evangelism, love & doing anything that's good. Some of the early Christians might v done things not good. The sane way some were persecuted unjustly. You need to read about how the apostles died. But we are not in support of justifying who's good & who's bad. We are for a just life. If it was for others who don't v the spirit of God, you ll v been accused of blasphemy & condemned to death. You just write this thing in Kano state about Muhammad & you ll see how you may lose your head! Peace! |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 4:09pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Snitch24:Mr Snitch you no get respect for your sisters? Wetin I talk wey you say make I shut up. I no go shut up o. And I fit discipline you if you wan prove stubborn. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:44pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Would you like to KNOW the indisputable proof pointing to Jesus as the real Messiah (Christ)? ![]() |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 7:58pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: “Messiah” a Hebrew word means “one who is anointed” and there are sure many anointed niggas in the Old Testament. Like Samuel, daniel, David and isiah they were all messaihs, your Jesus is not any special. 1 Like |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Kenneth4u205(m): 8:11pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Mr op satan is the Messiah. Now follow your satan to hell .hope you happy now ? |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:12pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Penguin2: Will you like to discuss on some indisputable facts pointing to Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the real Messiah (Christ)? ![]() |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 8:13pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Fact that you got from a King James Version of the Bible translated by a Jehovah witness(William tyndale)? Messiah a Greek word means “one who is anointed”in Hebrew language and there are sure many anointed niggas in the Old Testament. Like Samuel, daniel, David and isiah they were all messaihs/Christ, your Jesus is not any special. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Penguin2: 8:29pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Sure. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Penguin2: 8:31pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Maynman: God bless you. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 8:34pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum: The Op is questioning your belief, you are dragging Islam and Muhammad to your confusion. Was Islam and Muhammad involved in the death of your God? 1 Like |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 8:42pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum: Since you wish him death because he is questioning your belief, you can ask your God to kill him. 1 Like |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:07pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Penguin2: I love a phrase in your first post that says: Penguin is a bird of reason! I belong to a spiritual group known as EAGLES, this bird is wise because it can see good things from afar! Luke 17:37 Now back to the topic of discussion! Mankind wouldn't have any need for a saviour or Messiah from the beginning if Adam hasn't brought a curse on the earth! Genesis 3:17 So the promise of a Messiah (Saviour) was first made when God mercifully considered Adam's descendants who are innocent of the rebellion that happened in the garden of Eden. Genesis 3:15 Ever since then mankind have been looking forward to see that child (SEED) which will undo the evil brought upon the human race by Adam's rebellion. God called a man from the middle east known as Abraham and promised him that this SEED will be born through his lineage so that entire human race could be saved {Genesis 12:1-3} Abraham's wife was barren so he slept with a slave girl who bore him a son, Abraham concluded that God's promises will come through this child but God told him the promise will be transferred to the son that would be born by his legal wife who has grown old! Genesis 17:18-21 That's why the Israelites keep expecting these promised Messiah until they were enslaved in Egypt and God raised Moses as a saviour to rescue them, but for them to know that Moses is not the promised Messiah God told the Israelites that a prophet like Moses will be raised among them so that's the Messiah they should listen to! Deuteronomy 18:15-19 So whenever any prophet is raised among them they will start contemplating "could this be the Messiah?" God often tell the prophets to prophesy about another person. For instance Isaiah that you mentioned told the Israelites: For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this. Isaiah 9:6-7 So it's evident that Isaiah is not the promised Messiah (Christ) that Moses talked about! The last prophet whose words are found in the Bible before the gospel accounts is called "Malachi" what did this man say about the Messiah? Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies! Malachi 3:1 So once again Malachi (the last prophet some 500 years before Jesus) confirmed that the Messiah (Christ) is still coming, therefore none of all the prophets that ever known in Israel is the expected Messiah. Please should i continue or stop here? ![]() 1 Like
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Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 9:45pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
mhmsadyq:Wisdom is profitable to direct. You lacked wisdom & can't decipher posts. I didn't wish Penguin2 dead. I only told him fact that if he blaspheme against Muhammad in Kano, he ll be dead. The same applicable to you. I m not the killer, it's their sharia law. I m a Christian. We don't kill even if you insult us or our religion. Only God can't fight or judge in Christinity. So...apply sense in your life, dear mhmsadyq. 1 Like |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 9:51pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
mhmsadyq:I m not dragging Islam or Muhammad. I just gave a fact cos that's how sharia law works. I also see your real name is Muhammad Sadiq. I sight you. Jesus is not the God of Christianity but the son of God. The name of God in Christianity is Yahweh. So there's no claim Islam or Muhammad was responsible for Jesus's earthly death. I v explained properly to Penguin2 above. So...swerve to the next gutter with your hot temper! 1 Like |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Snitch24(m): 10:10pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum:Shut up still |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 10:16pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum: Wisdom? You can as well revise your own Testament and include death penalty for blasphemy, since you believe that can stop him from troubling your God. Wisdom! |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 10:35pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
Sweetplum: Learn to stay on topic... Is the Op now about my real name? Did i claim to be one of you? I am wanted anywhere? So, what about my real name? If you had not mentioned Islam and Muhammad on a post that has absolutely nothing to do wirh them, wetin for concern me? Good! Face those that killed your God. |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 10:45pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
mhmsadyq:Gbenu sohun oponu ayerada (Shut up & stop typing like an imbecil e). Some talk about religion & show tolerance. While you n your minions ll threaten bomb & sword as if you are the only ones with monopoly of violence. Just swerve to gutter! |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 10:48pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
mhmsadyq:I stayed on the topic before you banged in with your dirty posts & rags. If you claim nothing concerned you then keep quiet. Leave the floor for atheists to come & collect! |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Penguin2: 11:44pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: If you noticed, I alluded to these prophecies in my post. But one thing is missing and i asked that question in my first post… In which of these prophecies was it said that the Christ the Jews are expecting will come but they won’t recognize him? What if the Jesus we call Christ today was just an opportunist who played on the intelligence of some gullible people and made them believe he was the Messiah that was promised? Or do you think God would send His Messiah to the Jews and cloak it in confusion so that they won’t know the saviour He promised them has come? |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:41am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Penguin2:Thanks for following Sir! Now let's attend to the underlined question: Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah will be accused and executed like a common criminal {Isaiah 53:12} this actually happened to Jesus of Nazareth! Moses was the first prophet ever known from the time Israelites became a nation, we can also borrow a leaf from his prophecy regarding the Messiah. In his prophecy Moses emphasized that the people must LISTEN to the Messiah because all those who failed to do so will loose God's favour {Deuteronomy 18:19} then he continued by telling them how to recognize a false prophet perhaps they may be confused regarding the appearance of the Messiah: However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him! Deuteronomy 18:21-22 Jesus prophesied a lot but noteworthy is the prophecy regarding God's promise of the Holy Spirit which will eventually occur immediately after the Messiah has offered the ultimate sacrifice! Joel 2:28-30 Even Jesus' disciples were still sceptical about him not until the day of pentecost when this prophecy came to fulfilment {Act 2:1-3} until that day Peter and the rest were still confused whether Jesus is the Messiah or not but after that day they were fully prepared to lay down their lives for the course because Jesus actually promised them that he will SEND the Holy Spirit when he gets back to heaven! John 14:25-29; 16:12-14 This is why those few seemingly gullible Jews were prepared to die for Jesus because they had the assurance apart from all what Jesus did in their presence that he is truly the Messiah or Christ! Penguin2:That is possible but the prophecies fulfilled in the life of this man are viable reasons to believe in him. For instance David prophesied that the Israelites will treat the Messiah badly {Psalms 22:18; John 19:24} Penguin2:From the onset Satan has been causing a lot of confusion so he is the brain behind the ill-treatment Israelites gave the promised Messiah. So while God was making plans to save mankind Satan and his demons were also working sleeplessly to make sure that nobody remains a worshiper of God by the time God decided to destroy Satan and his cohorts. May you have PEACE! ![]() |
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:44am On Apr 18, 2022 |
Penguin2: Today the EAGLES (obedient humans from all races throughout the earth) have gathered around the BODY (the remnants of Jesus' anointed brothers) and we are feeding on the things the BODY produces! Luke 17:37 The EAGLES are known globally today as (Jehovah's Witnesses) but we know that the real Jehovah's Witnesses are the brothers of Christ who are teaching us all these sacred secrets. They are the government Jesus is using to rule us globally so we call them the Governing BODY! Good morning, God bless you and may you have PEACE! ![]() |
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