BritishNaija:

Firtst if all, If Any Country that has Shealth Aircraft wants to attack you, They will not be announcing it, Secondary, Fine tunning of Any radar if need be is done automatically.

Another thing is, you can never Fine tune a radar wave to the point of seeing things the size of bird, otherwise you will have your radar screen full of the images of anyflying birds and that will create a confusion.

Again, if you lets assume you are able to set your radar to detect bird, it will not still be able to detect F-35 As It's cross section is same as golfball.
Then lets also assume you were able to reduce the wave to detect golfball size objects, not only you will have you screen full of clusters of unidentifiable objects, you can never ever tell which one is shealth.
Then lets assume you were lucky to identify the F-35, Radar is not design to paint such size of object. That is just my point.

Radar system do two things. They are detection and tracking of flying object. There are some Russian radar that can detect stealthy fighter jets but the most challenging thing is tracking them. No one knows if the Russians can track them or not.

But remember the first stealthy fighter jet (F-117-Black Jack) made by the US was detected and shot down by Russian Defense System (S-125) in Yugoslavia.

They did it then. They can do it now.

A major conflict will expose some of these machines. The US Abraham Tank used by the Saudis performed woefully in Yemen. Likewise the Russian tanks in Ukraine. The US Patriot Defense System failed to shot down Houthi Rebel drone in Saudi Arabia. The S-300 is having a hard time against the Turkish drone in Ukraine. Likewise in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Although the Pantsir defense system has shot down several Turkish drones.

Svlla:


First let me correct the bolded

Every rocket weapon needs a platform for launch but thinking the Russian hypersonic missiles are only launched from aircraft is false

Do your research and be open minded. you don't have to be hidebound about it


Zircon is Russian hypersonic cruise missiles launched from Surface Ships and Submarines and also have a group base launcher
It is hypersonic and have and operation range of 1000km and maximum 1500km

S400 still remains the best anti aircraft anti missile system in the world although not deployed in Ukraine because there's no need for it yet.

You mentioned stationary target, well Khinzal is a surface to ground missile but YES It can hit a moving target. It was designed to hit enemies surface vessels and ships are moving targets

Like I said before there's no stealth technology yet...Is it stealth if the moment it opens its cargo bay or attempts to drop tactical load its radar signature is pick up by all known radar installations?
That's why these stealth jets like the B2 bombers are best used for carrying Nuclear load

I'm Very right by saying hypersonic Missile need platform. The current one Russia is using are Specific Aircraft fitted. If they have develop anyone to lunch from other craft, that i have not seen.
There is Stealth technology, you can believe What you chose to, US, Russia,China and the rest know this.

And the aim of Shealth is to get close to you, the current sets of Shealth now, once they open their bays, you are dead already, because they are too close and too late for you to react already.

olugabbie:


Russia has the air platform to launch its hypersonic ballistic missile (Khinzal). There are two aircrafts dedicated for this role. The mig-31K interceptor & the TU-22M bomber.

The Khinzal Hypersonic missile (Kh-47M2) range is 2,000 km (1,200 mi; 1,100 nmi) when carried by the MiG-31K and 3,000 km (1,900 mi; 1,600 nmi) when carried by the Tu-22M3. The aircrafts don't need to enter enemy airspace to hit target. The missile has been tested in Ukraine. The Pentagon has confirmed that it was used effectively.

There are two Sea platforms for the sea based Russian Hypersonic Cruise Missile (Zircon). It can be launched from Submarine and Warship. The Zircon is a top secret weapon. Unlike the Khinzal Hypersonic Missile. The world knows it existence but no one knows what it looks like.

We are not talking about zircon Which india i think have too.

BritishNaija:

We are not talking about zircon Which india i think have too.

Indian does not has Zircon. It is only Russia operates Zircon.

Indian has Braimohs Supersonic missile which was built jointly with Russia. They are planning to build a new Braimoh Hypersonic Missile with the help of Russia.

The best platform for launching a missile is aircraft.

olugabbie:



Radar system do two things. They are detection and tracking of flying object. There are some Russian radar that can detect stealthy fighter jets but the most challenging thing is tracking them. No one knows if the Russians can track them or not.

But remember the first stealthy fighter jet (F-117-Black Jack) made by the US was detected and shot down by Russian Defense System (S-125) in Yugoslavia.

They did it then. They can do it now.

A major conflict will expose some of these machines. The US Abraham Tank used by the Saudis performed woefully in Yemen. Likewise the Russian tanks in Ukraine. The US Patriot Defense System failed to shot down Houthi Rebel drone in Saudi Arabia. The S-300 is having a hard time against the Turkish drone in Ukraine. Likewise in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Although the Pantsir defense system has shot down several Turkish drones.

The F117 Shealth shut down was detect by luck and some faulty issue with that particular shealth, it was Well documented and again following their flying partern and radio leak, that is by the way. Apart from that, the radar cross sectioms of current Shealth are way smaller than the F117.

You are talking about US Tanks Being destroyed in Yemen, A tank is As good its operators, and the tanks being supplied to Saudi Is not the latest and upgraded that US have refused to sell to anyone.

Do you also know that the version of F-35 Being sold to US allies are not Same with that of US?

olugabbie:


Indian does not has Zircon. It is only Russia operates Zircon.

Indian has Braimohs Supersonic missile which was built jointly with Russia. They are planning to build a new Braimoh Hypersonic Missile with the help of Russia.

The best platform for launching a missile is aircraft.

I mean braimohs my bad. Developed jointly and also maneuverable like zircon and co.

BritishNaija:


I'm Very right by saying hypersonic Missile need platform. The current one Russia is using are Specific Aircraft fitted. If they have develop anyone to lunch from other craft, that i have not seen.
There is Stealth technology, you can believe What you chose to, US, Russia,China and the rest know this.

And the aim of Shealth is to get close to you, the current sets of Shealth now, once they open their bays, you are dead already, because they are too close and too late for you to react already.

Khinzal is a hypersonic ballistic missile designed to be launched from the air. It is an air to surface/naval missile.The missile is operational.

Zircon is an hypersonic cruise missile designed to be launched from the sea. It is a sea to sea/surface missile. It lauch platform is Frigate and Submarine.The missile is operational.

Vympei R-37 is a air to air hypersonic missile. The launch platform is SU-57. It is not operational.

BritishNaija:


I'm Very right by saying hypersonic Missile need platform. The current one Russia is using are Specific Aircraft fitted. If they have develop anyone to lunch from other craft, that i have not seen.
There is Stealth technology, you can believe What you chose to, US, Russia,China and the rest know this.

And the aim of Shealth is to get close to you, the current sets of Shealth now, once they open their bays, you are dead already, because they are too close and too late for you to react already.

You're wrong. Modern stealth, which I call 'not stealth yet' operate at a vertical range that gives air defence enough reaction time. No need putting out too much details you can Google it.

Whether it's missiles or unguided bomb, modern stealth jet must sacrifice its stealth for locking and launching on target and must operate in a safe vertical distance to evade ground and sea base radars and Airborne (AWAC) systems before firing on target.

All the nation's you mentioned are still working on their stealth technology and as long as they continue to use current engine type without serious technology advancements in these areas then they must give off readable radar signature at some point.

Do your research mahn so we won't argue back and forth.

Modern stealth now are best used for nuclear carrying missiles and not to venture into hot zones for combat otherwise the over $100million dollars jet will be used for target practice for AA missiles that don't event cost more than $50k

olugabbie:


Khinzal is a hypersonic ballistic missile designed to be launched from the air. It is an air to surface/naval missile.The missile is operational.

Zircon is an hypersonic cruise missile designed to be launched from the sea. It is a sea to sea/surface missile. It lauch platform is Frigate and Submarine.The missile is operational.

Vympei R-37 is a air to air hypersonic missile. The launch platform is SU-57. It is not operational.

Hypersonic we are emphasizing here is Khinzal.

BritishNaija:


I mean braimohs my bad. Developed jointly and also maneuverable like zircon and co.

Zircon is a game changer. It is the first & operational hypersonic missile. Brahmos is a supersonic missile.

BritishNaija:


The F117 Shealth shut down was detect by luck and some faulty issue with that particular shealth, it was Well documented and again following their flying partern and radio leak, that is by the way. Apart from that, the radar cross sectioms of current Shealth are way smaller than the F117.

You are talking about US Tanks Being destroyed in Yemen, A tank is As good its operators, and the tanks being supplied to Saudi Is not the latest and upgraded that US have refused to sell to anyone.

Do you also know that the version of F-35 Being sold to US allies are not Same with that of US?

This is ridiculous. How can you say, It was detected by luck. If it was detected by luck, was it also tracked by luck and a missile was guided to hit it by luck?

Radar detect an object in the sky, tracked it and guided a missile to hit, that is mot luck my dear.

The F-117 project was scrapped after the incidence.

BritishNaija:


Then you have not been following the syria war. Russia setup and control the S-400 in syria.

I said Russia operates S400 alone in Syria Abi you no see am

HOW MANY OF YOU ARE AIR RATED? DO YOU EVEN HAVE 1MIN FLIGHT TIME TO YOUR CREDIT?.
SO, ON WHAT AUTHORITY ARE YOU BASING YOUR COMMENTS? MY FRIENDS NO MILITARY WILL DECLASSIFY THEIR AIR DEFENCE SECRETS TO PUBLIC GLARE.SO FORGET ALL THOSE MOVIES YOU ARE WATCHING,THEY ARE ALL DIVERSIONARY.

Svlla:


You're wrong. Modern stealth, which I call 'not stealth yet' operate at a vertical range that gives air defence enough reaction time. No need putting out too much details you can Google it.

Whether it's missiles or unguided bomb, modern stealth jet must sacrifice its stealth for locking and launching on target and must operate in a safe vertical distance to evade ground and sea base radars and Airborne (AWAC) systems before firing on target.

All the nation's you mentioned are still working on their stealth technology and as long as they continue to use current engine type without serious technology advancements in these areas then they must give off readable radar signature at some point.

Do your research mahn so we won't argue back and forth.

Modern stealth now are best used for nuclear carrying missiles and not to venture into hot zones for combat otherwise the over $100million dollars jet will be used for target practice for AA missiles that don't event cost more than $50k

You are telling who have worked on radar projects to do research. You are free to believe What you decided. There is Shealth snd B-2 are designed to carry either Nuclear or conventional weapins, you can get the picture all over the internet. They are designed to penetrate enemy Airspace with overlapping radar waves, They are designed specifically to penetrate Russia airspace, and do not forget that me and you lack the full capability of the B-2Bomber as it's classified.

seunny4lif:

I said Russia operates S400 alone in Syria Abi you no see am

Sorry, I did not,my bad. Too many mentions,I was trying to reply the guy that said Russia did not deploy S-400 in Syria.

Apologies not accepted
You go apology with just 2 cows

BritishNaija:


Sorry, I did not,my bad. Too many mentions,I was trying to reply the guy that said Russia did not deploy S-400 in Syria.

olugabbie:



This is ridiculous. How can you say, It was detected by luck. If it was detected by luck, was it also tracked by luck and a missile was guided to hit it by luck?

Radar detect an object in the sky, tracked it and guided a missile to hit, that is mot luck my dear.

The F-117 project was scrapped after the incidence.

Check it out, not from me But the operator himself. He later shut down one more Aircraft But not shealth, I will try to get the article. In fact, if he did not disobey orders, coupled with the technicle problems with that particular f117, he would not have shot it down.

olugabbie:


Zircon is a game changer. It is the first & operational hypersonic missile. Brahmos is a supersonic missile.

Zircon have not been used in Ukraine, talking about Khinzal.

seunny4lif:

Apologies not accepted
You go apology with just 2 cows

If I can import cow from here, No problem. Lolz

BritishNaija:


You are telling who have worked on radar projects to do research. You are free to believe What you decided. There is Shealth snd B-2 are designed to carry either Nuclear or conventional weapins, you can get the picture all over the internet. They are designed to penetrate enemy Airspace with overlapping radar waves, They are designed specifically to penetrate Russia airspace, and do not forget that me and you lack the full capability of the B-2Bomber as it's classified.

You've worked on radar projects....wow! I like to know what project you've worked on and maybe we can work on similar or related projects together

I'm a Physicist who is current going for his 2nd postgraduate; PhD on Energy physics and military infrastructures. Different programs tho, let's not get into details.

like I said earlier, stealth technology is being improved on and there's massive work on-going but what we have no doesn't pass for stealth absolutely.

I could bore you with research papers and materials of you're up for it.

Russia is taking it slowly and after that then Odessa is the last stop to link all Russia speakers except in Baltic.

Svlla:


Russia has taken pospana and are heading towards the Soledar-Bakmut direction

In the last 48 hours Russia has taken full control of Voivodivka and Zarya and are heading towards Pavlorah in a wedgelike formation to cut off Lysichansk from Severedonesk

Recall that Ukraine forces fighting in Donbas are concentrated in Kramatorsk-Slavyansk-Severedonesk-Bakmut area

There will be many cauldron like mauripol very soon where Ukrainian forces will be cut off

seunny4lif:
Russia is taking it slowly and after that then Odessa is the last stop to link all Russia speakers except in Baltic.

True

They are now calling for the evacuation of civilians from Nikolaiv

Just like they did in donbass before the commencement of the battle for donbass

Nikolaiv, then Odessa

This lousy overrated aircraft that keeps dropping into the sea on its own due to mechanical problems, lol.

Using this junk in real war would be a disaster. The same junk ran away from Iranian airspace once they discovered that Russia gave Iran radars that can detect it - to save themselves from colossal embarrassment because Iran would have captured it with EW, lol.

Only F-22 raptor is alright and that as well is useless against Russians.

Yesterday I was watching how Soviet soldiers manning Vietnamese AA guns shot down dozens of US B-26 bombers that were overhyped as invincible back then within a few days, lol. The same fate awaits these lousy jets.

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RevDesm0ndJuju:


The most useless expensive military gear you mean.

They are no match to Russian 5G stealth fighters.

The Russians already cracked their radar signal and have upgraded their radar detection and deterrence systems to deal with them.

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EVEN PUTIN WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS TRASH

Svlla:


You've worked on radar projects....wow! I like to know what project you've worked on and maybe we can work on similar or related projects together

I'm a Physicist who is current going for his 2nd postgraduate; PhD on Energy physics and military infrastructures. Different programs tho, let's not get into details.

like I said earlier, stealth technology is being improved on and there's massive work on-going but what we have no doesn't pass for stealth absolutely.

I could bore you with research papers and materials of you're up for it.

Worked under BAE, Tracking Tradar,TCARs,Weather amd Navigation. 10 Good years. Now Chief Program coordinator of Ocean Bed Softwares for Oil Company.

seunny4lif:

Ukraine tried to take back Snake island.
They lost a lot trying.
Russia acted like they were leaving snake island.
It’s was posted by many pro Ukraine account and they even blamed it on[b] UK and Ukraine president, for not listening to his military officers according to those pro Ukraine[/b], Russia already knew about all the plan and acted like no Russia defence in place.
It’s was massacre as none of the Ukraine troops survive and all the aircrafts were down.

You know you're telling lies but I just want to believe your lies.
I just need just a single picture of Ukraine landing boat,drone,Su-27,Su-24 and their choppers since Russia is the one controlling the snake island, they're supposed to snap and post like they've done in other areas.

The bolded was posted by RWA citing TASS. And many of the disjointed stories that follows is from Russia propaganda channels.
Ukraine don't have what it takes to defend or keep the island but Russia MoD is trying to lie his way out just because they've lost so much AD system in that island and they're trying to cover up just like they did in Libya and Armenia where Russia MoD has to personally lie that some AD was not active when the bayraktar blew it off .

How many bayraktar and choppers does Ukraine have?
I only believe what I see because propaganda is too much in this .

RevDesm0ndJuju:


Over 30 Turkish drones where shot down during the battle to retake snake island.

27 Su-25s, and 14 choppers.

The US is now redirecting MIGs and helicopters meant for the Afghan govt to jewkraine and has signed a lend lease agreement to supply Ukraine with more weapons. Just yesterday $40bn was approved by US Congress as aid to Ukraine.

If they are not losing their gear to the Russians why will the US and NATO be passing the offering tray round themselves for Jewkraine?

If this is what winning looks like them I don't want to be winning .

Where is your pictorial evidence or should I believe Russian MoD that said they destroyed 350% of Ukraine jets?

Do you know many Bayraktar, the Turkey government have sent since last week

TabletMan:
You know you're telling lies but I just want to believe your lies.
I just need just a single picture of Ukraine landing boat,drone,Su-27,Su-24 and their choppers since Russia is the one controlling the snake island, they're supposed to snap and post like they've done in other areas.

The bolded was posted by RWA citing TASS. And many of the disjointed stories that follows is from Russia propaganda channels.
Ukraine don't have what it takes to defend or keep the island but Russia MoD is trying to lie his way out just because they've lost so much AD system in that island and they're trying to cover up just like they did in Libya and Armenia where Russia MoD has to personally lie that some AD was not active when the bayraktar blew it off .

How many bayraktar and choppers does Ukraine have?
I only believe what I see because propaganda is too much in this .

seunny4lif:
Do you know many Bayraktar, the Turkey government have sent since last week

Ukraine are losing bayraktar but not as much as Russia MoD lied that they lost in snake island. Bayraktar is armed drone and not DJI Mavic drone.
Most of air and equipment losses Ukraine has in the past two weeks is from Donbass and no evidence that they've lost drone or aircraft not even landing boat in snake island.
I know you must have seen Ukrainian pilot that was killed which has been circulating in Russians telegram channels that the pilot was killed in snake island, but the real fact is that the pilot was killed in air combat in Russian controlled territory in Donbass. There is limited supply of missile for that bayraktar so you will not be seeing much of the action but you want me to believe that Ukes lost 14 just within 24hrs on indefensible Island.
Maybe I will aswell believe that Ukes shot down Russia plane with paratroopers inside during the first week of war , Since both claims have no pictorial evidence

Well, we both know both side are using propaganda also but the results on the ground shows who is winning

TabletMan:
Ukraine are losing bayraktar but not as much as Russia MoD lied that they lost in snake island. Bayraktar is armed drone and not DJI Mavic drone.
Most of air and equipment losses Ukraine has in the past two weeks is from Donbass and no evidence that they've lost drone or aircraft not even landing boat in snake island.
I know you must have seen Ukrainian pilot that was killed which has been circulating in Russians telegram channels that the pilot was killed in snake island, but the real fact is that the pilot was killed in air combat in Russian controlled territory in Donbass. There is limited supply of missile for that bayraktar so you will not be seeing much of the action but you want me to believe that Ukes lost 14 just within 24hrs on indefensible Island.
Maybe I will aswell believe that Ukes shot down Russia plane with paratroopers inside during the first week of war , Since both claims have no pictorial evidence

seunny4lif:
Well, we both know both side are using propaganda also but the results on the ground shows who is winning

This is war of attrition, there will be no winner even after the war.

BritishNaija:

Worked under BAE, Tracking Tradar,TCARs,Weather amd Navigation. 10 Good years. Now Chief Program coordinator of Ocean Bed Softwares for Oil Company.

Impressive!

But my physics is good if you really want us to talk about radar technology