donstan18:

I sincerely don’t like atheists, lol.

I see them as confused people who take advantage of non-violent Christians to attack them. You’ll hardly see them attacking or countering Islamic beliefs, always Christians.

That’s why I don’t rate anyone that claims to be an atheist.

Havertz10:
I don’t get why people assume that atheist are lenient to Muslims

donjazet:
Shebi you people are seeing what I've been warning you about. The negative effects of whataboutism, suddenly we have 10 pages discussing things that had absolutely nothing to do with Deborah's death.

A001:

I don't even know who Joseph Atwill is. I did my own research independently and extensively some years back and came to that conclusion.

If you say Yeshua was a real person, that's true according to my own findings. But if you say Jesus was a real person, I won't agree with you.

Jesus Christ is just an idea invented by Rome using the history of Yeshua, who was a giant man that existed in the homo erectus era.

Some Christians that don't know this fact tried to fast for forty days and forty nights (as a homo sapiens) like Jesus did in the Bible, which imperiled their health.

But they don't know that the Jesus himself is an idea (a word), which the clever writers of the Bible invented based on the history of a giant man (Yeshua) that lived in the old world, and his massive body could sustain the fast of forty days and forty nights.

Some of the miracles that Jesus supposedly did such as Yeshu's very loud voice, sharper sight and sharper hearing as a homo erectus were due to the natural abilities of the old human species. They were nothing supernatural or spiritual.

But others were illusions, tricks manipulating certain properties of nature.

If you follow research in archeology and paleontology, you can learn about the old (extinct) human species, especially homo erectus.

WhoDeyHause:

Rest in Jesus name.

A001:

Apart from online discussion, do you really think there's anything that can be done to prevent a repeat of such a gruesome act in the future in the North?

Roland17:


Isn’t it ironic that this type of killing occurred in an institution of learning (College of Education), a tertiary institution for that matter?

One would have expected an elevated level of maturity and engagement in managing the incident before it degenerated into the gruesome murder of the girl. But no, the result wasn’t any different compared to if it had happened on the streets of Sokoto or near the mosque.

So, no.. I don’t think much can be done until practical steps are taken to forestall such.

WhoDeyHause:

Rest in Jesus name.

donstan18:

Are you an atheist?

A001:

Apart from online discussion, do you really think there's anything that can be done to prevent a repeat of such a gruesome act in the future in the North?

donjazet:


Well, you can't really say "apart from online discussion". The world has now gone digital. Campaigns are now carried fully online. Just like, that terrorist sympathizer pilot that tweeted support for the mob has been fired for his tweet.
Using our Whatsapp status, Facebook pages, Twitter posts. We can all amplify our voices massively.

You know, you seek out online echo chambers and you try and burst their bubble.
I mean, this Deborah's issue really touches me badly because I know there is nothing wrong with what she did and that is something which a lot of has have the privilege of doing.

Sometimes in my own colleagues Whatsapp group, some over zealous christian people would post those silly messages that will tell you to pass the message to seven people so that you will receive God's grace and if you don't, God will do so and so, the way I dey take change am for them ehh, I'm now imagining being killed, for doing what everyone knows is right.

The world is now digital. We have a much wider reach than ever before and we should use it as much as we can.

donjazet:


Well, you can't really say "apart from online discussion". The world has now gone digital. Campaigns are now carried fully online. Just like, that terrorist sympathizer pilot that tweeted support for the mob has been fired for his tweet.
Using our Whatsapp status, Facebook pages, Twitter posts. We can all amplify our voices massively.

You know, you seek out online echo chambers and you try and burst their bubble.
I mean, this Deborah's issue really touches me badly because I know there is nothing wrong with what she did and that is something which a lot of has have the privilege of doing.

Sometimes in my own colleagues Whatsapp group, some over zealous christian people would post those silly messages that will tell you to pass the message to seven people so that you will receive God's grace and if you don't, God will do so and so, the way I dey take change am for them ehh, I'm now imagining being killed, for doing what everyone knows is right.

The world is now digital. We have a much wider reach than ever before and we should use it as much as we can.

A001:

You're largely right. But I think online discussion and engagement will only help with Nigerians in the South-West, South-East, and overseas.

A sizeable percentage of the North's densely populated people are not on Nairaland.

Even the educated ones with Internet access are too conservative. A good example is an intellectual like Amoto94.

Looking at his takes on this issue, you realize the situation is a dire one.

Havertz10:
I don’t accept such tag, i’m a realist, my core fundamentals are rationality and objectivity

Amoto94:
He said intellectual to disguise the insult, A001 I'm not an intellectual nor a conservative. A001 take note please.

izzou:


Thank you Nwanne

We have clearly deviated from the point and are talking about crossing lines

Why would someone post anything about Mohammed in an academic WhatsApp group? Does it make sense?
If Deborah had posted her religious stuff there, would her Muslim murderers have allowed it?
Suddenly it's blasphemy and a line that shouldn't be crossed.
Very useless set of people...

A001:

You're largely right. But I think online discussion and engagement will only help with Nigerians in the South-West, South-East, and overseas.

A sizeable percentage of the North's densely populated people are not on Nairaland.
Even the educated ones with Internet access are too conservative. A good example is an intellectual like Amoto94
Looking at his takes on this issue, you realize the situation is a dire one.

donjazet:

No, that is not the main political issue in Nigeria right now. This is;
https://www.nairaland.com/6085374/muslim-lawyers-association-nigeria-endorses-deathpenalty
Your religion and it's legal adherents has just endorsed the legal death penalty of a man who "blasphemed". At least you are a reasonable and moderate Moslem, do you support their stance on this?
Do you think one should be legally killed for speaking against Mohammed?

donjazet:


I share this feeling of hopelessness with you. Amoto94 is the most outspoken moslem here and he presents himself as well read, so for him to not be much different from the ones carrying bombs into churches is truly heartbreaking. It's them that even worsens the issue sef because they are best at polishing their words and vocalizing their dangerous ideology masked in deceitful tones. Have you seen his topics on his profile? He's a hardcore extreme fundamentalist.


I think that with time, more of them will hopefully become more exposed too. It's a question of time.

izzou:


You don't know?

Amoto94:

Should I say I know when I don't know? When I don't know I will admit my ignorance.

A001:

Lols. It's a religious conspiracy to say Jehovah isn't the same entity as Allah?

It shows you don't know much about Jehovah, the God of the Bible, and Allah, the God of the Qur'an.

Well, I'm not surprised; most Christians I know don't know a lot about the Bible.

It's a historical fact that each of Allah, Jehovah, and El (or Elohim or El-Shaddai) has claimed the title of God Almighty in their religious text.

El had reigned before your religion was created.

You're merely reacting to my post emotionally. But anyone that researches the history of your religion will easily discover that Jesus Christ isn't a real person.

He's just an idea based on a real human that had lived in the past (extinct) world.

Ibime:


Otem Atum on the beat

It's an interesting but futile argument as the characteristics of Gods are figment of people's imagination and each culture will give God their own colouration.

Capaldi approach is factual, which is that Mohammed claims the same God as the Jews. It is all over the Quran.

Whether the Jews or Christians accept it up to them. Of course they won't. But then the Jews won't accept the Trinity God of the Christians either.

You just brought in the Otem Atum angle to confuse the matter further