Capaldi:

Retirement looks good on him. Have you seen Torres?

Ramires have not retired, torres is like incredible hulk

donstan18:

Muslims don’t even have time to slander Christians offline and online. Them get una time?

If I should ask you to name two Muslims you know on Nland who has been slandering Christians, you no fit. I fit swear.

So don’t put them and “ Christian Slander” in the same sentence.

He doesn't need to answer- I'd do so.

I'd do you 2 better and name 4 Muslims [verified Muslims] who continually slander Christians and Christianity on Nairaland.

Ready? I am too.

1. 'Apostle Suleiman represents pastors and all are 't0t0 sniffer". Jesus couldn't perform any miracle, and he couldn't save himself from being crucified.' https://www.nairaland.com/7057652/muslim-skip-fasting-he-nothing/2#111564894 .

Nairaland moniker: Gawu1.


2. '[Jesus] is neither God nor son of God as claimed by some.'

https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace#108771319
Nairaland moniker: Lukgaf .

3. 'Why can't you call Jesus the son of Angel Gabriel since his the one that they blew air into the Virginia of marry.' 'But to achieve you lies... You associate Jesus with God, you over hype him.'
https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace/3#109161810

Nairaland moniker: HeeBraHim2

4. Local-search "pastor tithe" and you'd see Muslims having a swell time insulting Christianity and Christians. https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=tithe+pastor&board=44

I could go on and on. Muslims slander Christianity daily and they are protected with a separate section for them. They mostly go unchallenged because not everyone wants to swear that oath of allegiance to Allah before commenting in the Islam for Muslims section.

DissTroy:

He doesn't need to answer- I'd do so.

I'd do you 2 better and name 4 Muslims [verified Muslims] who continually slander Christians and Christianity on Nairaland.

Ready? I am too.

1. 'Apostle Suleiman represents pastors and all are 't0t0 sniffer". Jesus couldn't perform any miracle, and he couldn't save himself from being crucified.' https://www.nairaland.com/7057652/muslim-skip-fasting-he-nothing/2#111564894 .

Nairaland moniker: Gawu1.


2. '[Jesus] is neither God nor son of God as claimed by some.'

https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace#108771319
Nairaland moniker: Lukgaf .

3. 'Why can't you call Jesus the son of Angel Gabriel since his the one that they blew air into the Virginia of marry.' 'But to achieve you lies... You associate Jesus with God, you over hype him.'
https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace/3#109161810

Nairaland moniker: HeeBraHim2

4. Local-search "pastor tithe" and you'd see Muslims having a swell time insulting Christianity and Christians. https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=tithe+pastor&board=44

I could go on and on. Muslims slander Christianity daily and they are protected with a separate section for them. They mostly go unchallenged because no everyone wants to swear that oath of allegiance to Allah.

Very well-researched post.

airmark:


Satan even understands bible so no biggie. I am telling you that you are wrong about Jesus and Isa being the same. The Quran even disagrees with your stand just as seen in the image uploaded in my last post.

You may have knowledge of Christianity and still got brainwashed about Islam, that is exactly what I smell if you are/were truly a Christian.

Saying Muslims obey the bible more than Christians, was the red light that exposed your limited knowledge yesterday. Muslims that criticise Bible for having unreliable contents after many reviews?

Many Christians have been brainwashed for years, that Muslims and Christians serve the same God. Technically this is a ruse and elements of Taqqiyah at play.

In Christianity, you don't need to face any direction to pray to your God and other stuff that knocks that mumu claim off.

Next time don't say with confidence, what you don't have full knowledge about

Is there any difference in how both the Quran and the bible describe the event of how Mary/Mariam conceived Jesus/Isa ? This is what we should be looking at not what's not.

How come that the story of how Moses/Musa parted the red sea is found in the bible and in the Quran

Why was both events pointing to the same villain Pharaoh?

Did both books talk about Angels ?

Did both books talk about Heaven and hell?

How come both of them talked about the day of resurrection?

Did any of the book deny the coming of the anti-christ?

Why is the story of Noah and the flood found in both books and not just one ?

Did they both not confirm the story of sodom and Gomorrah?

Didn't Quran talked about God's favour on Israel just as he did in the bible ?

These and many more should tell you both books came from the same God.


Where did I say the bolded?

A001:

Where are the gods? In your room?

The word god is man-made. Those entities that humans refer to or worship as gods/God are past beings, who are long dead and gone.

I see the simple facts I stated about the popular gods worshipped in religions are confusing to you.

Don't worry. Just keep on wallowing in ignorance, praying in the name of the pagan gods sometimes and in the name of the foreign gods at other times, thinking all of them are the same simply because you were told so.

I don't know how you'll read the Bible and the Qur'an, and then conclude Allah is the same as Yahweh just because each of them claims the title God Almighty in the religious texts, without realizing the each of the gods of older religions predating Christianity and Islam had also claimed the title of God Almighty in the past.

God Almighty is just a title, and past humans had even called elements of nature such as Sun, Earth, Air God Almighty.

Others regard the Universe as God Almighty, and these concepts of God are as old (with some even older than) as the two most popular religions of today.

Yes God is a concept but his worshippers have never claimed he once lived and died so tell where you got your own story from?

One thing about these low budget atheist wannabes is their unhidden hatred for Christians. I'll be right to say they even harbour more hatred and disdain in their hearts than the Muslim fanatics carrying out the killings.

You can easily tell by the way they revel in matters attacking Christians, subtly celebrating barbaric acts and brazenly cheering on the fanatics and hailing their acts. If someone can defend a man callously ending the life of another in the name of defending the honour of a God or prophet, he's not different from the killers and if he claims so then he's clearly confused.

BlueRayDick:
The funny thing about all these religious arguments is; at the end of the day, the Muslim with "extremists" views remains one, the liberal Muslim remains liberal, the Christian who hates tithing refuses to pay tithes, the Pentecostal 'fire brand" Christian will continue paying his tithe to daddy G.O, while the atheist will continue to maintain Yahweh, Allah, Almighty God are all figment of "gullible" people's imaginations.

Then u begin to wonder why waste so many pages of the thread trying to convince people who already have a conviction they are willing to live and die for ?

In modern times, the number of freethinkers in Nigeria has been increasing thanks to the Internet, Seun's Nairaland, and these arguments.

izzou:


Festac Town resident

popizaino:



Is there any difference in how both the Quran and the bible describe the event of how Mary/Mariam conceived Jesus/Isa ? This is what we should be looking at not what's not.

How come that the story of how Moses/Musa parted the red sea is found in the bible and in the Quran

Why was both events pointing to the same villain Pharaoh?

Did both books talk about Angels ?

Did both books talk about Heaven and hell?

How come both of them talked about the day of resurrection?

Did any of the book deny the coming of the anti-christ?

Why is the story of Noah and the flood found in both books and not just one ?

Did they both not confirm the story of sodom and Gomorrah?

Didn't Quran talked about God's favour on Israel just as he did in the bible ?

These and many more should tell you both books came from the same God.


Where did I say the bolded?

Sorry for mistaking you for Donstan on the emboldened.

Photocopy ko easy. That's what you get when you don't copy properly and even allowed goat to eat your writing notes. That's why we have fake and original products.

Was Jesus given birth to under a palm tree? It's just like someone telling you that you were born in Las Vegas when it was recorded by your family members that you were born in Naija. Common sense should tell anyone that story from such source should be jettisoned.

The real Jesus Christ was crucified, Isa wasn't, according to the Quran. So why will any sane person go with a story told by a source missing targets like Morata in front of goal?

Ogbeni, Isa is not Jesus.

A001:

In modern times, the number of freethinkers in Nigeria has been increasing thanks to the Internet, Seun's Nairaland, and these arguments.

Since I was a kid I’ve always known atheists, fire brand Pentecostals , devoted celestials, unrepentant Roman Catholics , devoted Muslims; the liberals and the ones who don’t compromise on tolerating other religions .

In fact I attended a public secondary school and I was exposed to all of these religious sects amongst students and teachers alike. Thus far nothing has changed. Internet only enabled each and everyone of them an avenue to propagate whatever they choose to believe in.

Anybody that claims nairaland made it possible for him to become an atheist had probably been nursing atheism in his mind for a while .

Android22:
It was your fellow Chelsea fan with 1-8 in his moniker that said that nonsense about obeying the bible.

The highlighted part is 10000% true.

Donstan na werey.

BlueRayDick:
The funny thing about all these religious arguments is; at the end of the day, the Muslim with "extremists" views remains one, the liberal Muslim remains liberal, the Christian who hates tithing refuses to pay tithes, the Pentecostal 'fire brand" Christian will continue paying his tithe to daddy G.O, while the atheist will continue to maintain Yahweh, Allah, Almighty God are all figment of "gullible" people's imaginations.

Then u begin to wonder why waste so many pages of the thread trying to convince people who already have a conviction they are willing to live and die for ?

With continuous messaging, a few will eventually get to doubt their fundamental beliefs.
Just look at sodeeq now. He was never this moderate before but now, see him challenging his fellow Muslims.
We can only continue to sow the seeds of doubt into their minds.

DissTroy:

He doesn't need to answer- I'd do so.

I'd do you 2 better and name 4 Muslims [verified Muslims] who continually slander Christians and Christianity on Nairaland.

Ready? I am too.

1. 'Apostle Suleiman represents pastors and all are 't0t0 sniffer". Jesus couldn't perform any miracle, and he couldn't save himself from being crucified.' https://www.nairaland.com/7057652/muslim-skip-fasting-he-nothing/2#111564894 .

Nairaland moniker: Gawu1.


2. '[Jesus] is neither God nor son of God as claimed by some.'

https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace#108771319
Nairaland moniker: Lukgaf .

3. 'Why can't you call Jesus the son of Angel Gabriel since his the one that they blew air into the Virginia of marry.' 'But to achieve you lies... You associate Jesus with God, you over hype him.'
https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace/3#109161810

Nairaland moniker: HeeBraHim2

4. Local-search "pastor tithe" and you'd see Muslims having a swell time insulting Christianity and Christians. https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=tithe+pastor&board=44

I could go on and on. Muslims slander Christianity daily and they are protected with a separate section for them. They mostly go unchallenged because not everyone wants to swear that oath of allegiance to Allah before commenting in the Islam for Muslims section.

Na Taqqiyah Donstan played there to deceive readers. It's permitted in Islam to do that to defend their religion. If you fall for it, na your bizniz.

This one is looking for who to engage then turn it wotowoto fight
I will pass gabu

Android22:
They are being killed in China. Their prophet is being maligned in China. Why are they not killing people there? Because they will only attack people that they know will never strike back. They are humble in China because Xi Ping no send you. He gives it to them hot hot.

Disclaimer: I don't agree with Xi Ping.

Donstan18 claims they don't fear anybody anywhere lol. Those guys are cowards, they behave like Cultists who won't attack or do anything when they're few or in the minority. It's only when they're in the majority you'll see them moving mad.

Rarely will you see an aboki man kill somebody in the East because of Muhammad
When you engage them in that regard, you'll know they no like wahala cos they're in the minority but if it's the north, the story will be different.

BlueRayDick:


Since I was a kid I’ve always known atheists, fire brand Pentecostals , devoted celestials, unrepentant Roman Catholics , devoted Muslims; the liberals and the ones who don’t compromise on tolerating other religions .

In fact I attended a public secondary school and I was exposed to all of these religious sects amongst students and teachers alike. Thus far nothing has changed. Internet only enabled each and everyone of them an avenue to propagate whatever they choose to believe in.

Anybody that claims nairaland made it possible for him to become an atheist had probably been nursing atheism in his mind for a while .

You realize anecdotes are not representative of facts. You can't use your personal experience to generalize a situation.

I was as religious as can be growing up. I grew up in a fanatical home. Nairaland is responsible for me beginning to doubt my faith. Also, watching and understanding foreign movies too. Before personal research and understanding of various other religions.

Soo you cannot say we should stop talking about issues because people will never change their minds, that's a highly dubious premise. What then is the aim of arguments? Is it not to exchange ideas and point of views?

DissTroy:

He doesn't need to answer- I'd do so.

I'd do you 2 better and name 4 Muslims [verified Muslims] who continually slander Christians and Christianity on Nairaland.

Ready? I am too.

1. 'Apostle Suleiman represents pastors and all are 't0t0 sniffer". Jesus couldn't perform any miracle, and he couldn't save himself from being crucified.' https://www.nairaland.com/7057652/muslim-skip-fasting-he-nothing/2#111564894 .

Nairaland moniker: Gawu1.


2. '[Jesus] is neither God nor son of God as claimed by some.'

https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace#108771319
Nairaland moniker: Lukgaf .

3. 'Why can't you call Jesus the son of Angel Gabriel since his the one that they blew air into the Virginia of marry.' 'But to achieve you lies... You associate Jesus with God, you over hype him.'
https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace/3#109161810

Nairaland moniker: HeeBraHim2

4. Local-search "pastor tithe" and you'd see Muslims having a swell time insulting Christianity and Christians. https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=tithe+pastor&board=44

I could go on and on. Muslims slander Christianity daily and they are protected with a separate section for them. They mostly go unchallenged because not everyone wants to swear that oath of allegiance to Allah before commenting in the Islam for Muslims section.

You did well researching...

I personally know Gawu as someone who slanders Christians unprovoked here. He’s even the reason I asked Dayo to name 2 because I felt he’ll know him.

The rest, especially the “Local Search” were comments from arguments, possibly reiteration to Christians who’ll never mind their business but to attack them first on this forum. You’ll hardly see Muslims attack Christians on their own. Quote me anywhere, it’s a fact we all know, including you.

And yes, you’re wrong. Seun did the right thing with that oath stuff, else “I too sabi” Christians would have littered Muslim sections with their stupidity and unnecessary slanders.

We know how both religion members react to news regarding the opposite religions online.

50d33q:
This one is looking for who to engage then turn it wotowoto fight
I will pass gabu

I come in peace my man.

Ellexy:
Donstan18 claims they don't fear anybody anywhere lol. Those guys are cowards, they behave like Cultists who won't attack or do anything when they're few or in the minority. It's only when they're in the majority you'll see them moving mad.

Rarely will you see an aboki man kill somebody in the East because of Muhammad
When you engage them in that regard, you'll know they no like wahala cos they're in the minority but if it's the north, the story will be different.

BIG LIE

A very big one.

popizaino:



Yes God is a concept but his worshippers have never claimed he once lived and died so tell where you got your own story from?

This question shows you've not taken the time to research the history of the gods and religions.

Starting from the local examples here: Orunmila, Obatala, Odua, Ogun, Sango, Osun, Oya, and co are the local gods or deities who earned the title of god by deifying themselves or were deified by their people for achieving one historic feat or the other in the past.

In fact, all the pagan gods of Yoruba culture were humans that had existed in the past.

The first person that welded (designed) the first sword; the first person that made the first brick house; the first person that killed a monstrous creature in a place, and many other firsts in history were deified by their people when the majority of humans weren't exposed and civilized.

That's real history, not a claim.

The same thing applies to all other cultures around the world, and by the time you read the history of the chief gods (the gods/deified humans had hierarchy like the present-day humans) of various cultures, such as Atum and Ra of the Egyptian culture, Zeus of the Greek culture, etc. and study their religious texts, you realize these chief gods had also existed in the past like the smaller deities such as Ogun and co.

Then, studying the attributes of all these gods (irrespective of their hierarchy) in their religious texts, one notices their human-like attributes, with each major god claiming (competing for) the title of God Almighty or the Supreme God (the battle of supremacy).

Obviously, it becomes glaring that the gods of religions are the ancestors or deified humans of the past.

In other words, whether it's the major or chief gods like Olorun, Atum, Allah, Jehovah, Zeus, etc. or the smaller ones like Ogun, Odua, Obatala, Osun, etc. all the gods of religions are past beings or higher beings.

(They're higher beings because nature gifted them with special abilities that other humans, the average persons of lesser abilities, see/saw as supernatural or spiritual.)

They're elements or aspects of the Universe like everyone of us, and whether a seemingly mysterious ability is supernatural or not is a question of one's level of intelligence and abilities.

Capaldi:

Stop disgracing and confusing yourself with the location of their origin. Islam originated from Judaism, trace their roots to Abraham and worship the same God as Abraham same as Judaism. It's all over the Quran . Judaism and Islam are FAR more similar than either of them are to Christianity in structure and practice but also beliefs as far as who God is. Even their definitions of God and the nature of God and monotheism are pretty much exactly the same and actually conflict with Christians beliefs about God. The people of the religion are telling you yes but you are saying no. Make it make sense.

Lolz, no be wetin we tell you yesterday, you gree?

donstan18:

You did well researching...

I personally know Gawu as someone who slanders Christians unprovoked here. He’s even the reason I asked Dayo to name 2 because I felt he’ll know him.

The rest, especially the “Local Search” were comments from arguments, possibly reiteration to Christians who’ll never mind their business but to attack them first on this forum. You’ll hardly see Muslims attack Christians on their one. Quote me anywhere, it’s a fact we all know, including you.

And yes, you’re wrong. Seun did the right thing with that oath stuff, else “I too sabi” Christians would have littered Muslim sections with their stupidity and unnecessary slanders.

We know how both religion members react to news regarding the opposite religions online.

Thanks donsta18

donstan18:

You’ll hardly see Muslims attack Christians on their one. Quote me anywhere, it’s a fact we all know, including you.

Goalpost shifting? I'm still game.

But you'd have to give something in return.

Here's the deal: Would you post a 1000-word apology letter here to everyone of the Christian faith on this thread whose sensitivity you have offended if I post 5 comments or posts of Muslim attacking Christians and Christianity unprovoked on Nairaland?

I'd throw in an extra 3 of such posts/comments to represent the shirt on the Chelsea FC shirt as a sign of goodwill.

Are you game, Donstan?

BlueRayDick:


Since I was a kid I’ve always known atheists, fire brand Pentecostals , devoted celestials, unrepentant Roman Catholics , devoted Muslims; the liberals and the ones who don’t compromise on tolerating other religions .

In fact I attended a public secondary school and I was exposed to all of these religious sects amongst students and teachers alike. Thus far nothing has changed. Internet only enabled each and everyone of them an avenue to propagate whatever they choose to believe in.

Anybody that claims nairaland made it possible for him to become an atheist had probably been nursing atheism in his mind for a while .

Internet exposes a lot of things and allows one to learn about other philosophies and religions and interact with people of other religions/philosophies.

If not for Nairaland and the Internet, I won't be able to have access to some great books of history, philosophy, and science.

Some books one downloads for free online or borrows in an e-library for reading are quite costly offline.

DissTroy:

He doesn't need to answer- I'd do so.

I'd do you 2 better and name 4 Muslims [verified Muslims] who continually slander Christians and Christianity on Nairaland.

Ready? I am too.

1. 'Apostle Suleiman represents pastors and all are 't0t0 sniffer". Jesus couldn't perform any miracle, and he couldn't save himself from being crucified.' https://www.nairaland.com/7057652/muslim-skip-fasting-he-nothing/2#111564894 .

Nairaland moniker: Gawu1.


2. '[Jesus] is neither God nor son of God as claimed by some.'

https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace#108771319
Nairaland moniker: Lukgaf .

3. 'Why can't you call Jesus the son of Angel Gabriel since his the one that they blew air into the Virginia of marry.' 'But to achieve you lies... You associate Jesus with God, you over hype him.'
https://www.nairaland.com/6908707/return-prophet-isa-jesus-peace/3#109161810

Nairaland moniker: HeeBraHim2

4. Local-search "pastor tithe" and you'd see Muslims having a swell time insulting Christianity and Christians. https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=tithe+pastor&board=44

I could go on and on. Muslims slander Christianity daily and they are protected with a separate section for them. They mostly go unchallenged because not everyone wants to swear that oath of allegiance to Allah before commenting in the Islam for Muslims section.

How was my topic here slanders christians and Christianity? I was trying to convey our belief as Muslim about who is Jesus (Prophet Isa)..did I abuse him or your religion like you do to us on Fridays?

Ellexy:
Lolz, no be wetin we tell you yesterday, you gree?

I mean it's literally in Islam holy book that they worship the God of Abraham not hearsay or personal opinions.

""And who would reject the faith of Abraham except a fool! We certainly chose him in this life, and in the Hereafter he will surely be among the righteous”"

Quran 2: 130

Including numerous Passages in the Quran.


You were giving me your personal opinion with nothing to back it up.

DissTroy:


Goalpost shifting? I'm still game.

But you'd have to give something in return.

Here's the deal: Would you post a 1000-word apology letter here to everyone of the Christian faith on this thread whose sensitivity you have offended if I post 5 comments or posts of Muslim attacking Christians and Christianity unprovoked on Nairaland?

I'd throw in an extra 3 of such posts/comments to represent the shirt on the Chelsea FC shirt as a sign of goodwill.

Are you game, Donstan?

Lol, bros be like you to dey take assignment too serious in your university days.

Anything apology letter, count me out.

Lukgaf:


How was my topic here slanders christians and Christianity? I was trying to convey our belief as Muslim about who is Jesus (Prophet Isa)..did I abuse him or your religion like you do to us on Fridays?

Gentlemen, please welcome our Nairaland resident Extremist-In-Chief, Lukgaf.

Timo Werner wants to leave Chelsea this summer.

-
@kerry_hau
via
@iMiaSanMia

donjazet:


You realize anecdotes are not representative of facts. You can't use your personal experience to generalize a situation.

I was as religious as can be growing up. I grew up in a fanatical home. Nairaland is responsible for me beginning to doubt my faith. Also, watching and understanding foreign movies too. Before personal research and understanding of various other religions.

Soo you cannot say we should stop talking about issues because people will never change their minds, that's a highly dubious premise. What then is the aim of arguments? Is it not to exchange ideas and point of views?

I have two questions for you.

1. Since the Ukraine-Russian conflict began how many people have u been able to make see Abramovic as the villain on this very thread ?

2. Since u’ve been posting links to atheist articles on this thread, how many theists have reached out to u to acknowledge the impact ur articles/posts had on them in ridding them of their religious believes ?

Please answer in figures and not in long essay

Lukgaf welcome

A001:

Internet exposes a lot of things and allows one to learn about other philosophies and religions and interact with people of other religions/philosophies.

If not for Nairaland and the Internet, I won't be able to have access to some great books of history, philosophy, and science.

Some books one downloads for free online or borrows in an e-library for reading are quite costly offline.

alright